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Hochevar & Bullpen Thoughts Headed Into Game Two

Anyone else ready for another baseball game?

  • If Hochevar has a very good/very bad game, we might be tempted to make a big deal out of it. I wonder however, if (aside from basic "it's just one game" thinking) it will really mean anything. Maybe he's just a guy that always runs hot and cold due to something in his mechanics, pitching profile, repertoire, or whatever.

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  • However, completely contradicting what I just wrote, generally speaking, I think the idea that certain pitchers are always either awesome or terrible, as was dominant in the discussion of A.J. Burnett and Oliver Perez last season, is overblown. If we just decided to select a random starting pitcher that nobody cared much about, labeled him as a hot/cold guy, and then watched every start, every inning, with that mindset, our thoughts would probably be confirmed. There are really good pitchers who only rarely have a disaster outing, and there are really bad pitchers who won't end up sticking in a rotation anyway, and with everyone else, I think the general variation in their consistency is pretty small. Look at Kevin Millwood, probably considered one of the most consistent, veteran, non-flashy one way or the other pitchers out there. His game log from 2009 isn't just a bunch of 6 IP, 3 runs allowed games. There are bad starts and then very good ones quite close together. Sure, he was on the whole much more consistent than Hochevar, and he doesn't have crazy month to month splits, but then again, doesn't that almost make more sense than hot/cold streaks that last one game? Perhaps, if you're a #2-#4 starter in the Major Leagues, this is just sorta what you do. It's like the clutch/choke thing. Quick, is Brad Hawpe a clutch or a choke player? Quick, is Brian Roberts a clutch player? There is no answer because no one cares. But if suddenly we started tracking this aspect of their game, with a finding already in mind, it would take on a life of its own. Damn, two men on in the seventh, and Hawpe can't drive 'em in. Classic Hawpe.
  • I'm interested to see what happens with the bullpen tonight, and over the next few games. I think Hillman is a pretty bad manager, but really, I'm not sure what the answer is, looking at this pen. It seems like it would be a classic bad manager move to totally overreact, and make, say, Dusty Hughes, his preferred fireman out of nowhere. I'm curious to see how this plays out.
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    This team isn't going to be fun to watch

    If Dayton Moore had gone out and acquired a bunch of young guys that no one thought had much of a future, it would at least be interesting to see if his scouts were right about some of them and maybe watch one or two start to blossom. But when the GM brings in a bunch of guys in their 30’s who aren’t any good, what do you have to hope for? A player in his mid-30’s isn’t going to suddenly turn into a different player. Players don’t blossom in their 30’s. I guess a player could have an aberrational bump for a year and have a good season, but that’s about it.

    I can’t get excited about seeing how Pods, Ankiel, Kendall, Bloomy and Yuni pan out. No good can come of that. And we already know that Greinke, DDJ and Butler are good. More good seasons from them in the midst of yet another embarrassing, awful season from the team just make me sad. Such talented wated.

    So what do I have to look forward to? Improvement from Gordon? Perhaps Getz showing that he can be a decent MLB second baseman? The development of Luke Hochevar? It gets harder every year to justify paying $180 for MLB Extra Innings.

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    by Scott McKinney on Apr 7, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

    I'm in complete agreement

    If the Royals weren’t going to spend serious money, or go after some of the genuinely decent cheap OFers on the FA market, it would have been interesting to see if there is anything to Costa. CHONE certainly likes him. It would be nice to see if Maier’s defense really makes him a decent CFer. It would have been nice to see some young players with at least a little upside potential. Instead we get older, declining players who are known quantities (known to be shitty). Dayton Moore is breaking my spirit.

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    by Scott McKinney on Apr 7, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think the key is your last sentence

    I think the casual fan does want the opposite. Podsednik is a familiar name, a guy who hit .300 last year. Who the hell is Jose Duarte to the casual fan?

    (Imagine: “At least Dayton Moore went out there and spent some money on a free agent I’ve heard of.” as opposed to “This team doesn’t ever spend any money, they just play scrubs, David Glass hates children and loves sweatshops, etc.”)

    "You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"

    Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split

    by DCRoyals on Apr 7, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yea

    but you would think they could also market it the other way, “these are just a bunch of young guys who are HUNGRY”

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, but

    I still want Dejesus in the outfield.

    Pecota, watch over us.

    by castille on Apr 7, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Totally depressing start to season

    Let’s face it, no matter how you do the math this is a pretty sucky guy to have as a #2 starter. But what difference does it make with a bullpen as on display Monday, so he pitches 6 good innings, where does it get you; and a lineup that if you are really lucky will put together 3 or 4 runs. Collectively this is about as bad a group as it gets. What is particularly irritating to me is that the big bucks guys, like Meche and Gordon (and Guillen last year) are always disappearing with injuries so there is never any momentum towards improvement. And don’t even get me started on the lack of any hope in the bullpen: Soria just becomes Mr. Irrelevant.

    by Gus Zernial on Apr 7, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

    Meche is #2

    He’ll resume his spot on Sunday, the day after Greinke goes.

    by AxDxMx on Apr 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And Farnsworth was Mr. Irrelevant

    in the cbssports.com RR Fantasy League anyways.

    by AxDxMx on Apr 7, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    HE'S TOO AMPED UP!

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    by RoyalsRetro on Apr 7, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He's had a whole offday to think about the pressure of the Royals'

    first home night game. Can’t risk him sprinting out of the dugout, heading straight for one of the fountains, and hurting his TJ-rehabilitated arm trying to climb the outfield fence to jump in the water. He’s like Phil the Hyper Hypo Kid.

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not saying we should have kept him...

    but Olivo’s first two at bats today, walk and then homer. Although this was against finesse lefty Doug Davis. Must be nice having a manager putting him in situations where there is a higher chance of success.

    by KCDovaRoyals on Apr 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

    he just GIDPed with two on

    and, yes, Olivo is waaay better than Kendal, even iwth the terrible defense

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Against lefties, Olivo is a pretty good catcher

    In a strict platoon, he’s a decent catcher to have on the roster.

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    by Scott McKinney on Apr 7, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Sadly for Rockies fans

    their team has a Gardenhire-like tendency to make less of whatt they’ve got:. So they’ll probably keep Iannetta at about 100 games even though he’s a really good (un underappreciated) young catcher, or how they insist on playing Brad Hawpe full-time, or benching Seth Smith, or not playing CarGo in center field, or marching Melvin Mora out there today…

    Argh. They are sooo good, too

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hawpe is totally un-clutch-tastic though

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He's a good fantasy BB player

    Good offensive stats. Ignores his awful defense. Of course, if he loses PT this season, his value drops.

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    by Scott McKinney on Apr 7, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He's on one my lwts fantasy team

    actually, that team in general would be about the worst defensive team ever… seems like a post.

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yup

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jacobs should be an NL DH

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 7, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Let me see, I really don't care if they win or lose

    I believe Luke still belongs in the pen.

    I would like to see the lineup.
    How the pen is handle after Luke blows up in the 4th or 5th?

    Kinda want to see how E. Santana and Carmona pitch tonight.

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    by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 7, 2010 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

    He looks good.

    I think Carmona has a shot at recovering his ability from a few years ago. I think the same of Liriano, but I was always impressed with him (when he was able to pitch) when I went to Twinkies games.

    by MinnesotaRoyal on Apr 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I got money

    that say AC won’t play today due to the cooler weather temps and not wanting him to strain that muscle again…

    Your killin me smalls....

    by royalblue69 on Apr 7, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

    I think he is a total injury replacement right now.

    They won’t play him until well, but healthy choices in Omaha aren’t any better

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    by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    he might get too hepped up and hurt himself

    better to wait until the whole stadium is an amorphous, lifeless blob…

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Apr 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It seems like it would be a classic bad manager move to totally overreact, and make, say, Dusty Hughes, his preferred fireman out of nowhere.

    And then proceed to drive him into the ground by using him every day so that he posts an era north of 7 after the ASB.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Apr 7, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

    Tools

    once owned are owned for a lifetime

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jamey Wright agrees with this logic

    and can’t for the life of him figure out what happened last year.

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 7, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    18-11

    18-11!!!!

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 7, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think Berkman is on the DL

    with team-induced depression

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Poor Astros fans in denial

    So many believe “but we were good last decade” will keep them from tanking in the early part of this decade

    by Gopherballs on Apr 7, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Interesting thoughts, Will.

    I think most of your discussion covers confirmation bias, but there’s certainly data there to support or refute our ideas.

    Regarding the pen, it’s hard not to think they’re going to be awful, every time. There’s the bonus of confirmation bias—when you see what you expect, your awesome intellect is pumped up, and when circumstances defy your expectations, hey—pleasant surprise!

    Think of it as a tortured Royals fan’s last shell of protection. It’s easier on the mind, soul, and body to be cynical and correct 70% of the time than it is to be optimistic and correct 15% of the time.

    by Justin Bopp on Apr 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

    Sad, yet true.

    But I have a feeling being cynical this season will lead to being correct more like 85% of the time

    If you really want something, you gotta go out there and GET IT.

    by Otto Reed on Apr 7, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yea

    and I do try to fight the built in cynicism, but I just can’t

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It's okay, Will.

    I understand now, you see.

    I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.

    by jonfmorse on Apr 7, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm sick, can't hold my kid, older, bored, and Dayton Moore is still running the ROyals

    worst. birthday. ever.

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

    Happy birthday

    If only it were happy. The Royals are making it hard for me to be happy right now. I’m going to go look at Katie eating Cheerios.

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    by Scott McKinney on Apr 7, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    soul food the for the Royals fan

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Apr 7, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    this will make you most happy

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Happy Birthday!

    You can console yourself with a Royals win tonight!

    by Justin Bopp on Apr 7, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Happy Birthday, Matt

    The Royals marketing department is sending you a cake:

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    maybe the Royals will give you a wonderful birthday present

    they will be playing extra hard now. Happy birthday!
    remember, geologically you are quite young.

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Apr 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    In Dog Years

    We’re all dead.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Apr 7, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I've always wondered why we don't have variance stats.

    It seems all the stats we have are either cumulative stats or rate stats based on mean. I would think that variance or standard deviation, although hard to define would be of some interest.

    by Antibawang on Apr 7, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

    BP does them for pitchers

    I think they call it flake factor or something

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I agree, seems like they would be of some value, if nothing else being able to compare a small sample size against the mean

    I mentioned some of this to a friend of mine who works for the Rays a few years back, and he thought it was interesting, but he’s got enough to deal with that it never really came up again.

    My guess is that variances are a more scientific stat, not even used that much in economics, and that the backgrounds of most of the baseball stats guys isn’t biology or sociology or the like.

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    So

    If I had told you in 2006, Luke Hochevar would be the Royals de facto #2 starter behind the recently crowned Cy Young winner Zack Greinke, how happy or excited do you think you would have been?

    by wildthang on Apr 7, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

    Very pumped

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I dunno

    I just picked it up from all the various lawyerings around here

    by wildthang on Apr 7, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    de facto is "de facts" right?

    sort of a Latin sabermetric throw down

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Apr 7, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    De facto = in reality, de jure = legally

    Rene Preval is the de jure president of Haiti. The de facto president is whichever American military officer is running things down there right now.

    It's pronounced Poo-ZHOLS in Catalan.

    by Juancho on Apr 7, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The soup de jure sounds delicious

    Mmm…legal soup

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    by RoyalsRetro on Apr 7, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What's the soup de jure du jour?

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Joel (PA)
    Who is the worst team in baseball?

    Jim Callis (2:36 PM)

    The Royals.

    by kcbottom9th on Apr 7, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

    Bad press is still press!

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    by RoyalsRetro on Apr 7, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think there a few teams worse

    It’s just depressing that 4 years into the process, the Royals are still completely into that discussion and probably will be as other teams move out of it.

    by kcbottom9th on Apr 7, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    One note about the Pirates

    Dave Cameron or one of the other guys at Fangraphs recently pointed out that the Rangers have something like only 5 guys on their 40-man roster born in the 1970s or earlier (essentially, under 30).

    The Pirates are not far behind, with only 7 born in the 1970s. The Royals have 11. But on the Pirates, the only regulars over 30 are closer Octavio Dotel (36) (a revenue-sharing pressured spending spree) and Aki Iwamura (31), who the Pirates famously got basically for free (since the Rays otherwise had to release him) and really had no one in the system to play 2B this year. Iwamura is their highest paid position player at $4.8 million. The rest of the over 30 crowd are cheap backups (Bobby Crosby, 30, and Ryan Church, 31) and bullpen depth (Brendan Donnelly, 38, DJ Carrasco, 32, Javy Lopez, 32, and Jack Taschner, 31).

    The over 30 Royals include the starting catcher (Kendall), Opening Day 3B (Bloomquist), the starting outfield (Podsednik, Ankiel, DeJesus), starting DH (Guillen), the No. 2 starter (Meche), and half the bullpen (Colon, Cruz, Farnsworth, and Parrish).

    The Pirates might not win as many games as the Royals this year, but they look like they are on the right track.

    by Gopherballs on Apr 7, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Eh

    Who will mentor all those young Pirates though? THE POWER OF KENDALL COMPELS YOU!

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    by RoyalsRetro on Apr 7, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    the power of kendall compels you

    yes, this shall make many open thread appearances.

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 7, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Does Jim Callis have family working for the Astros?

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    by Matt Klaassen on Apr 7, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    2009 GameScore standard deviations

    Kevin Millwood
    avg: 52.1
    median: 53
    st. dev.: 14.6

    AJ Burnett
    avg: 52.8
    median: 55
    st. dev.: 17.4

    Luke Hochevar
    avg: 42.8
    median: 42
    st. dev.: 21.4

    sample sizes of 31, 33, and 25, respectively.

    of course, this just plays into the confirmation bias b/c i’m looking at the most recent season, which is freshest in our memory, but you could do it for all seasons very easily with b-ref data.

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    That's interesting.

    I was wondering what stat to use for variance and standard deviation. i hadn’t thought about GameScores.

    My Basic idea would be that a high st dev would be bad for pitchers but good for batters when comparing players with similar rate stats.

    by Antibawang on Apr 7, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

    what would be even more interesting for pitchers is to

    look at their variance inning-to-inning or maybe in specific innings. such as, if a pitcher starts cold, is that just a factor of his inconsistency, or is it a sign that he’s having an off day?

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you could also argue high variance would be good

    if there’s a larger chance the guy throws a shutout, I might want that over a guaranteed 3 runs allowed

    lots of ways of looking at it

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    right, it seems to me that the high/low variance could be good or bad, depending on the situation

    but having an idea of what a player’s typical variance is, you could look at an individual performance or a mini streak and judge whether it is for real or just an outlier.

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Luke might throw a shutout.

    But he also might give up 6 runs in the third inning. At least 3 runs allowed keeps you in most games.

    by Antibawang on Apr 7, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    there are various ways of looking at it

    but being in the game may or may not mean much

    I think I’d rather have two starts with an 80% chance of winning game one (great start) and a 20% chance of winning game two (bad start) than two 50% games

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    But it's not generally one bad versus one good.

    It would be more likely one good start to three or four bad starts versus four or five 50/50 starts.

    by Antibawang on Apr 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    and you can kind of look at that with population stats like mean/medain

    and some other skew stats that i’ve forgotten about, to look at the even distribution (or lack thereof) for data points above/below the mean.

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Very good ideas

    But for simplicity sake, you might need to boil a lot of information down into a simple numerical value.

    by Antibawang on Apr 7, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Win probabilities would be a good way to look at it.

    I just think it would be more like 80%, 20%, 20%, 20% versus 50%, 50%, 50%, 50%.

    by Antibawang on Apr 7, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i think if you look at his ERA/WPA/GameScore he was

    that bad in his bad outings. though his tRA/FIP was better in general, iirc

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    1 good to 3 bad seems about right

    for a pitcher with below average rate stats. But I wasn’t talking specifically about Hoch.

    by Antibawang on Apr 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The bullpen

    This may seem bizzare – but I honestly think that Cruz will reemerge as a good reliever this year, eventually taking over the setup role.

    Agree completely with NYRoyal and Will here – this year could have been interesting if we at least were watching Maier to see if he really could make a leap forward, watching Kila to see if we found Jack Cust at a younger age, and watching young bullpen arms such as Blake Wood and Louis Coleman, thus signifying the beginning of the arrival of the new “wave” of prospects since the last regime change.

    Sure, a couple of those things might happen come June or so – but by then this team will be 10-20 games under 500, and will have completely alienated whatever optimists remain among us.

    Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

    by loyal2sdad on Apr 7, 2010 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

    I Think The

    Gun might have been juiced on opening day (a lot of 100+ readings), but Cruz was in the mid 90’s pretty consistently. If he can command that and throw his off-speed stuff out of the middle of the plate, he could be a fine setup man. Now if we can just get a lead……..

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Apr 7, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Greinke's fastball was between 92-96 on Opening Day, unless I missed something

    Zumaya actually hit 100+. It didn’t seem juiced, but I suppose it could have been 1 or 2 MPH hot.

    by AxDxMx on Apr 8, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

    he hit 102

    so I think it was a bit off on the plus-side

    by Crooow on Apr 9, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

    He hit that once.

    So it may have been off, but it also could have been wind aided. The winds were swirling a bit that day.

    by AxDxMx on Apr 9, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I know I've been unusually bitter this week after that fiasco of an Opening Day,

    but I am a good fan, will still watch at least 140 games either in person or on TV, no matter how many games they lose, and no matter how dumb the front office and the broadcaster (Lefebvre) are.

    Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

    by loyal2sdad on Apr 7, 2010 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

    so, i was at the luncheon today

    and my co-worker said she wanted to F the brains out of one of the Royals who she didn’t know the name of. When I realized she meant Rick Ankiel and thought “Really, him?” because the first thing I thought of was his WAR.

    by 9il on Apr 7, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

    but was she hot?

    I need to know how to evaluate this scenario

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Will, interesting points on Hochevar

    But Hochevar’s case is different from what you describe. In his case, his “awesome” outings weren’t just good, they were spectacular and so odd – an 80 pitch shutout is spectacular and exceptionally rare , a 13 K shutout is spectacular and makes you think you have a HOFer, etc.

    And those spectacular outings were so few and far between (seriously, Hochevar’s traditional stats and peripherals from last year are comparable to awful Chris George 2003, Jose Lima 2004 territory ) that I think the only reasonable response is, ‘WTF’.

    This isn’t a ‘clutch’ thing because the mainstream concept doesn’t really apply to starting pitchers until the postseason , and Hochevar was so consistently bad last year that anything approaching clutch is laughable.

    This isn’t a Kevin Millwood thing, because Millwood has always has good control but not blow-you-away stuff, which leads to a range of consistently below average to good performances.

    This isn’t an AJ Burnett thing, because Burnett has great stuff but gets lit up from time to time because he can’t control it.

    This is a Hochevar thing, because Hochevar has a mind-blowingly weird combination of factors behind him – good stuff but inconsistent velocity, doesn’t walk a lot of people, induces a lot of contact (especially grounders), plays for a shitty team with a shitty defense, traditional scouts question his toughness and love for the game after he reentered the draft, people question his body language because he doesn’t get too excited with a great start or an awful one, etc.

    No one knows what to make of that. So the obvious but flawed conclusion for people to arrive at in order to make sense of things is to say, “well he runs hot and cold and it’s all in his head and it’s up to him to put it together.” That’s such an easy way out, a piss-poor response to a truly unique situation. Clearly there is something in Hochevar that can induce hall of fame-esque performance. And clearly there is another thing that makes him one of the worst pitchers in the game. Maybe he’s the Cuba Gooding Jr. of pitchers, winning an Academy Award for ‘Jerry Maguire’ but more likely to hang his hat on the straight-to-DVD release of ‘Snow Dogs 3’

    Waiting for April.

    by DC Royal on Apr 7, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    I think you may be right

    I guess the question is why

    I know tipping pitches has been offered, I wonder if that’s too simple

    I realy dont know

    by Freneau on Apr 7, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Maybe it's because lefties eat him alive

    Hochevar has a brutal platoon split, and in fact loses the groundballs against lefties, which is not too surprising as research has shown that two-seam fastballs are generally ineffective against opposite handed hitters. In addition, looking at his pitch linear weights at fangraphs, his slider has been his best pitch, but sliders generally are not effective against opposite handed hitters (as they move in on a hitter rather than away). Both his curve and change (which he almost abandoned last year) have also been ineffective, so he really does not have much to throw at lefties except four-seam fastballs.

    Maybe another way to say it is that Hochevar is consistent against righties and inconsistent against lefties.

    by Gopherballs on Apr 7, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    what he needs for more consistency, then, is a more consistent mix of handedness in the hitters he faces

    Zapp Brannigan/Dayton Moore quote of the day: "Yes, comets! The icebergs of the sky. By jackknifing from one to the next at breakneck speed, we might just get some kinda gravity boost". and also "Kif old friend, I don't know which disgusts me more. Your cowardice or your stupidity! We'll simply set a new course for that empty region over there. Near that black-ish hole-ish thing."

    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 7, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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