Breaking: Royals Fire Trey Hillman, Hire Ned Yost
by Freneau on May 13, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
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Who was it that predicted they'd hire Ned Yost? I know I read that somewhere on here a few days ago.
Ned Yost... well, alright. Don't fully see the point. I'm not sure why Dayton would want to remind people of Milwaukee, since their turnaround under Melvin defies his argument that you need ten years to build a winner. Yost is the same guy those same Brewers fired in the last two weeks of a pennant race, which I guess gives him a good ice-breaker when he chats with Jose Guillen.
Farewell Trey Hillman.
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I will never forget you.
Neither will Gil Meche’s right arm.
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by JobDDT on May 13, 2010 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I CALLED IT
http://www.royalsreview.com/2008/9/15/614921/future-royals-coach-fired
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
AND I TOLD EVERYONE YOU CALLED IT
sorry about those coattails I keep riding on
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted for coattails
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
the reporter was Jay Posner of the SD Union, a HS classmate of mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMe0Rz1frdE
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Those people are amazing.
They don’t miss a beat.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
how did wiki do that?
HOW DID THEY KNOW
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dan or Dave Glass
probably updated it last night
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
yep they've probably been suggesting it for weeks
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Crap
I just wrote a huge piece on managerial candidates I was about to publish.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
publish it anyway
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Until the end of the season
Then they’ll reevaluate.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As a roving...
…hitting instructor?
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
We should set up...
…a pole on this. If Yost gets the team back to .500 or better by Sept. 30, then yes. If not, then no.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
You think there's any chance in the world this team is getting back to .500 this season?
Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.
i think we should put it next to the north pole
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on May 13, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
and maybe Mandii or Jizzabell can take a quick turn
lap dances $20
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Good one.
I deserved that.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Well played.
My typing at that moment had not caught up with my spelling skills.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
yup
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayton said he was interim for now, and then they'd reevaluate after the season.
I would think if he’s as bad as Trey they’d look elsewhere.
Yeah, but I'd have to think that if he produces similar results to Trey there are only 2 possible reasons for failure
- The manager
- The players picked by the GM
If there's someone better available this offseason
I’d like to think they would take a look. This is new territory, so who knows what Dayton will do?
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What kind of baseball guy is Ned? Dayton just said he similar to Trey.. Ouch.
Small ball guy?
by Clearly Ambiguous on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions
excerpt from Wiki...
“Yost’s bullpen management, lineup strategies, and bench management were blamed. He also was thrown out of three games in the last week of the season, leading some reporters to question his ability to handle pressure”
Not a good sign…
Well, he won't have to worry
about pennant race pressure here for a while.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This seems an awful lot like throwing gasoline onto the burning heap of a team
that the Royals are right now. Ned freaking Yost? The man has the baseball IQ of a ground squirrel
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
so.......
more than on computer is at the K ????
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but this makes me really happy
for a couple of reasons. One, someone realizes there needs to be SOME goddamn accountability, somebody actually cares whether or not we win or lose, and the fact that they put Yost in as manager instead of Gibbons. Plus, the fact that Moore did this despite the fact that he obviously didn’t want to tells me that he’s willing to do the right thing (or, at least the Glasses are pissed enough to force a change).
I feel badly for Trey the person, but this is an extremely positive move for us (in the short-term, still don’t know if we have any idea what the fuck we’re doing overall).
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
Firing Hillman was a good move
replacing him with Ned Yost was not.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 13, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
it is an interim position
and he’s better than gibby, he’s got to be, and he’s got some experience. it’s not the guy it’s the symbolism of the move…it’s a cleansing effect and it shows that SOMEONE gives a fuck and sees the same things we do.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Im just glad its not Gibby
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
Bring him on...
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
by averagegatsby on May 13, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, right?
It’s all happening so fast.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm handling it like this
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No not really
that’s a joke
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
The franchise is screwed until the general manager changes.
by Gopherballs on May 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
At least this gets the clock ticking on Dayton.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you mean?
It starts a new clock, as the new manager will need at least five years to develop this team.
I doubt Glass will be that patient.
The way Dayton is handling this, it seems like it was forced on him. I think if the next manager fails, DMGM will be removed along with him, and I don’t think it takes 5 years.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Glass will just hire some other idiot
and nothing will change.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on May 14, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
if anything, this is a bad day
I don’t want Dayton buying more time
Hillman sucked, but he was not the problem, at least not more than a small part of it
by Freneau on May 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ultimately, I think it moves the clock up
with Gordon in Omaha, the last possible scapegoat is done with
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
the fans and their silly impatient expectations are still around to take the blame
I think Moore will just fold this into his strategy of suggesting that the plan all along was to wait 8-10 years for the kids he drafted to develop and cite Yost’s reputation as good with younger players. He can say they thought they could win in the interim with Hillman, but it did not happen, so they made a change to benefit what has been the long-term plan all along. Then, when the Royals inevitably play better under Yost (thanks regression to the mean!), Moore can cite the success under Yost as proof that things are getting better.
Oh, horsepucky.
There’s always Butler and Greinke. We have a pennant-contending team, but Butler can’t hit for power and Greinke can’t win ballgames. They’re our two biggest problems!
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
I disagree. It’s obvious from the way Dayton is talking about Trey even now, that this wasn’t his idea. That means it was Glass’s idea and that’s a great sign going forward. Plus I think GMs almost always get to hire a second manager (well Royals GMs anyway) so this speeds it up. The next time someone is held accountable it will be Moore.
good luck to trey
he’s an ok guy, good luck to yost. But it doesn’t matter who we hire, we’ll never compete.
by ZachMartin2 on May 13, 2010 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Anyone know if Yost is interim?
Don’t they have to go through some kind of a hiring process or something?
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GMDM
said until the end of the year and they will look at it again.
by powder blues on May 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wasn't Yost the guy that flipped his shit
in the middle of a pennant race with the Brewers? Is this really the guy we want?
Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad to see Trey go, but not to sure how to react to Yost.
no worry about the pressure of the pennant race
for yost, he’ll be great.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
all (5) of the brewers fans on mlb trade rumors apparently love yost
something about respectability and developing young players.
i’ll just believe that for a while. you know, some good feelings would be nice.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on May 13, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
I really dont know what to think of Ned Yost...
All I really know about him is that a good Rockies team collapsed with him at helm then surged after him
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that's hurdle
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He managed the Brewers.
And has a fun name to say.
Ned.
Yost.
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Oh shit...
My bad… Brewers Rockies… Same thing
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by averagegatsby on May 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...I really thought that Hurdle was going to be
the next Royals manager.
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I think that there are a few here that would like to see Clint.
Yes ? No ?
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No
Lived in Denver while he was there, don’t care to see him in KC.
Yost=Hurdle
crappy management followed by a vast improvement => one step closer. Make our manager next year someone like a resurrected Billy Martin.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
sure that's what you meant
:)
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Or just resurrect Billy Martin himself, prop him up in the dugout
and let the players manage themselves.
by JSouth on May 13, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His corpse would get into too many fights
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Good lord
I can’t stop smiling.
I mean, I know that it isn’t fixed by a long stretch, but at least we got rid of a piece of the problem.
Think oif the possibilities…Dave Owen may be replaced by a competent 3B coach.
BOOM! ROASTED!
Money in the bank: Yost is..
…just our transitional manager. He won’t be managing the team in March 2011. – TL
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
As GMDM said
He will be until the end of the year.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll be in...
…the org next year, but not the manager.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Yeah, for sure
Maybe back in the advising spot he had before this.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd bet you $100 on that if it was legal
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Duuuuuuuuude....................
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I appreciate that they didn't really drag their feet on this.
Don't Stop Believing!
Initial reaction: Ewoks dancing at the end of "Return of the Jedi"
Second reaction: Ned Yost? Really? What, Buddy Bell wasn’t available?
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I have my computer streaming music on random
It popped on the overture from Cloverfield as soon as I clicked on this article. Monster time I guess.
this is also one step closer
to resolution on dayton…he either gets it turned around REALLY QUICK or he’s going to be on the hot seat very shortly…
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
that's my take.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Hillman KNEW he was fired
wanted to go out on top… yet he still played Yuni
by AtTheWall on May 13, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You should be more...
…surprised that Kendall wasn’t in the line up.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
this is perplexing
I do feel bad for Trey, getting fired
He really seemed like a nice guy, and wasn’t caught up in a scandal or anything while a Royals Manager.
It is too bad it didn’t work out.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I’m not a total fan of the move, he just was not the problem.
exactely
as many people are posting here he was only a small piece of the problem and it is too bad that he has to take the brunt of it.
Though realistically I hope most people don’t take this as a change to get a winning team, they are still the Royals and they are still going to be rearranging broken chairs on a sinking ship. For awhile any way.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leo Durocher
“Take a look at them. They’re all nice guys, but they’ll finish last. Nice guys. Finish last.”
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
They're going to let hillman speak
this will end well
Ha
DM quote from Monday – “I think Trey’s done a terrific job.”
hahahahaha
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by aHorseWithNoName on May 13, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Well,
he got the first five letters right.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
The next step is...
…to improve the bullpen. No one will succeed here until that task is accomplished.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Then improve the offense
Then improve the defense.
Then improve the starting pitchers.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Next step is
fire them all
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Goodbye Trey
On the plus side, I don’t think anyone will be asking you any baseball questions for a while…
by PopeSoria on May 13, 2010 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
he now
has more time to educate
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
forever doomed by the Catch 22
C’est la vie, Trey Hillman
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
himself
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
I really liked the part of his media interview
where Trey talked about wanting to win now and being impatient. I figure Dayton fired him because of his need for instant gratification.
Trey was a nice guy.
Ned is a nice guy. Gibbons is not.
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Bob McClure
for manager NOW
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
I wish I could listen/watch this live
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
don’t have SliverLight, though
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you, kind people
smarter and less lazy than I
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
I really didn’t expect this.
Really amazing.
WHOA.
Good job GMDM.
I hope Yost can get things moving.
listening to the press conference live on 810 right after the game
it was obviously something like the Glasses telling GMDM as late as yesterday after DDJ BUNTED in the fist inning with two on and none out …
Dan Glass: “Dayton, you’re going to fire Trey. I don’t care if that was David’s own call to bunt at that point. If that were even a thought in David’s head, Trey should have known to TAKE IT OUT OF HIS HEAD.”
Dave Glass: “Dayton you fire him NOW or we fire YOU now.”
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
fist inning=first inning
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Fist Inning Could
Be awesome or many kinds of horrible. So many possibilities.
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by philofthenorth on May 13, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the sound of money slinking away
(as in the massive amount of empty seats at the K) finally awoke the absentee owner.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is getting surreal.
Trey is speaking, and asking the reporters if they want to talk about the game or other more urgent matters. Awkward in the extreme.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions
"you guys wanna talk about the game?"
says trey. i thought he was kidding. they’re actually talking about the game. is he interviewing for next gig with that one game win streak?
I'm hiding out in the big city blinking.
I know Trey was way down the list of problems
But his general incompetence angered me just as much as Dayton’s, regardless of how much more impact Dayton’s has. His terrible non-answers in interviews and inability to show any consistency in his thought process was maddening.
Don't worry, Trey
Dayton will FedEx you a plane ticket so you can make it to the Plaza celebration at the end of the season.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
Has Anyone Mentioned
That this is not how or when you fire someone? I used to do it, and you do it at the beginning of the day. I realize this is not a normal job, but the timing seems ridiculous no matter how I think of it.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
indeed
The off day was the perfect time to do this.
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by aHorseWithNoName on May 13, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
How dare you
Dayton Moore has brought professionalism and accountability back to KC
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
any chance GMDM was waiting for Royals to win a game so Hillman could go out on top...
and didn’t expect another victory for a week or two? Then, when they won today and the opportunity presented itself, he decided he couldn’t afford to wait until the next win came along and brought down the hammer.
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Dayton said that he told Trey prior to the game I'm pretty sure.
Unless I heard it wrong. But that Trey didn’t want to go out on a 7-game losing streak so he let him manage the game. Which if true is all together crazy. But who really knows.
Quite bizarre.
There’s this sense of relief that Zack finally gets a win, then they immediately interrupt the postgame show between Joel & Split to cut to the Dayton presser. Joel & Split seemed caught off guard and didn’t quite realize what was going on.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought this happened a lot in baseball
Although it certainly seems like the off day after Texas was really the right time.
I just seem to remember it happening after games several times in the past…but that’s all my memory so I could be completely wrong.
Trey was fired?
I thought Dayton just broke up with him. Seriously, they both respect each other, and had Trey flipped his lid, he wouldn’t have managed the game today. Not a big deal. He was fired this morning, he was just given the option to finish the day.
The more things change...
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what a beautiful emblem
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
What a completely classless move by Dayton Moore
This is a complete joke. The Royals break their losing streak, finally get some runs, Greinke gets his first win AND THEY FIRE THE MANAGER RIGHT AFTER THE GAME? This is just a couple of days after Moore said Hillman is “his guy”?
What a complete insult to Hillman by Moore. I have lost just about whatever respect I had for Moore. It’s clear this guy is completely clueless as a baseball man and was simply riding the coattails of the Braves organization.
Wait until the next off day to fire Hillman. At least wait until they lose again!
Yeah, definitely came down from Glass.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yes aggree with this
seems like he may have been caught off guard with this as well
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This comes from Glass
you can put that in the bank
Or Glass said to Moore, you make changes or I will
And by I will he meant it was Moore’s ass unless he found some scapegoats to blame the fact that it was Hillman who couldn’t get the most of his crappy players he brought in.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
On the other hand,
Trey already knew. They came to that decision late last night. What were they supposed to do – pretend that conversation didn’t happen until it’s more convenient to announce?
WTF, self?
I think Moore said it was talked about last night and today
by Joel Thorman on May 13, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
So last night over Schlitz beer Moore tossed his Bible aside, called up Hillman and said “Hey, you’re my guy. Also, I may fire you tomorrow”?
Dread Pirate Roberts
“You’ve done a good job. Good night, sleep well, I’ll likely kill you in the morning…”
The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein
by The Ol' Perfesser on May 13, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's exactly what he said in a live radio broadcast, on 810 before they were done
with the post game on 610
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
So then was this more like a resignation? I've never EVER heard of...
…someone getting advanced notice that they were going to be fired and that they would be included in the discussion over whether to make the decision.
speculation
what if they knew Hillman wasn’t coming back next year and were trying to decide what to do until then?
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Trey and Dayton are in collusion
over where Trey is going to be in Japan next year, and discussing Dayton’s new job as a GM for the Nippon Ham Fighters
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Sounds like this move came from above Moore
by Joel Thorman on May 13, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
Just waiting for the music to cut him off.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ned Yost should get back in the game.
A dollar to whoever gets the reference.
Just for men
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this is the most bizarre post firing conference
I have ever heard
He's going to personally thank
every season ticket holder also I think.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe
he missed the hot usher chick in section 418
WTF???? no wonder they fired him
~~~Damn, I wish i had a clever signature
His thank you list...
Jin Wong and WHO “running numbers”? He may have just revealed the second “stat guy” and I didn’t catch the name…
LH Oswald
I believe he said
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Jin Wong
isn’t actually a stat guy, according to Greg. He handles stuff more like travel schedules and stuff, and thinks it’s hilarious that we all think he’s the stat slave that everyone ignores.
WTF, self?
Wong does the numbers for things like salary arbitration
Holding salary numbers down for arbitration eligible players is one thing this front office has actually done well.
they should be the best team left
at arguing the value of meaningless stats
this explains a lot about our success of late!
sorry Wong numbers
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by who am i? on May 13, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah
what were we thinking? he’s a former Brave.
Probably another dude who needs to be packing up his office in October.
I mean, just in case the Royals aren’t playing then.
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
well then Wong should tell us who is
(or that there is none)
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that explains a lot
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
maybe instead of spending all the non-game time playing high school
he should have thought about baseball once in a while
Holy shit
I turned off the game, got some work done, and missed the real excitement.
Hillman gone = good.
But Ned Yost?
Let me repeat
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Gib. You hear somethin'? Ya think that I'm nice enough ta keel my job?
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Hillman wore number 88?
Here in Europe it’s a neo-Nazi number – H is the eighth number of the alphabet, so 88 means “Heil Hitler” and 18 means “Adolf Hitler.” Skinheads wear badges with these numbers.
POD WILL EXPLOD!!!!1!!
yikes
that could lead to some awkward situations
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 14, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
at least
this should be the last bullet left to fire in Moore’s chamber.
He is finally really on the clock
Noted Brewers fan and amusing BTF poster Harvey Wallbanger on Yost today
Ned does create a good atmosphere for young players that is conducive to them getting their sea legs and being established in the major leagues. He’s a positive guy.
The negatives are as follows:
—he does not recognize talent. He has to be told who to play or you will have the hustle and show guys up and down the lineup
—He cannot discipline veteran players. Young guys will listen to him but older guys with an attitude give Ned fits and having them on his team will cause his authority to be undermined. The GM has to make sure that the vets are ‘good soldiers’
—Ned couldn’t manage a bullpen to save his life. He will burn out arms faster than Leyland goes through a carton of Camels. It’s incredible.
I will state that Alex Gordon probably has the best bet to get his career back on-line with Ned as manager IF the GM tells Ned to play him. Ned will put him in the lineup and tell everyone within hearing range that Alex is a hard-workig young man who just needs a chance so everyone get out there and give Alex a lot of support and let’s hold hands and go “Yoo-hoo” together. Yayyyyyyyy, TEAM!!
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by RoyalsRetro on May 13, 2010 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Ouch.
There’s definitely some Trey-like stuff in there.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
we will lay you right next to Trey's dead body
then replace you with nearly the exact same person (likes grit, can’t manage pitchers), except they will have blogged for the Braves at some point.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
—Ned couldn’t manage a bullpen to save his life. He will burn out arms faster than Leyland goes through a carton of Camels. It’s incredible.
Grrrrrreat.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
fortunately there is nothing of value to wreck there
Soria is safe since no manager knows how to use a closer even near enough…much less overuse one.
by lionsden on May 13, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I need a band of conspirators
to join me in a plan to assassinate Yost-Toastie when he trots Zack out for a 200 pitch count game and blows his arm out. I’ll take the grassy knoll position, I can hit a moving target with a .308.
Nothing to worry about though, Zack’s arm is unblowable.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Well, at least Willie Bloomquist will get more playing time now
so there’s that…
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
That doesn't sound too bad
Play the young guys and let them establish themselves. If Yost actually does rescue Gordon’s career, that’s justification in itself for hiring him.
A positive attitude is much better than an unstable attitude like Trey’s.
I bet he can recognize talent well enough to see that Avilés is better than Yuni and that Mitch is better than Ankiel.
The Royals don’t have any veteran troublemakers except Guillén, right? And Hosay won’t be around very much longer. I’ve read (Mellinger?) that Kendall, though a lousy player, has become the clubhouse leader, and that he’s a team-first guy. So that shouldn’t be a problem here.
No one could handle a bullpen worse than Trey, so no matter how bad Yost is, there’s an improvement.
POD WILL EXPLOD!!!!1!!
does this sound to anyone else
like he KNOWS he’s never getting this chance again?
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
As a final tribute to Trey
Dayton should make the vicious bunch of piranahas that is the KC Sports Media Establishment pick up their own $#@! chairs.
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No more pool parties at the ranch?
Did Dayton even THINK about that???
by PopeSoria on May 13, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
go figure
trey just referenced the process as a shoutout to gmdm
I honestly kinda feel bad for trey
he may have not been great, but no one was going to win with this team
sure, he didn’t have to kill gil meche along the way, but nevertheless
i probably dislike him as a person more than anybody here
and I’m really starting to feel for him as this moves along
Definitely do feel bad
Cause he’s a good guy, just not a very good manager.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not convinced he's a good guy.
A lot of his quotes and answers always seemed to be “I’m smarter than you”.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
well, if he reads the KC Star comments,
can you blame him?
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
fair point.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
You can feel bad, but not too bad. That's just sports
plenty of managers, players, FO-types are nice people but never really get the chance to succeed.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feel too bad
This happens in every position in every industry. If you don’t perform, you are gone. He is honestly lucky his industry is sports. He makes good money (and will continue through the season) and he will easily grab a lower level position which will still make more money than he’s worth.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
I do, too
for the usual reasons
And if only for making me miss Buddy Bell
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
hat tip to Trey for showing up for the press conference
although I am always fond the ambush interview at the airport as the deposed coach or manager awkwardly answers questions while trying to check his luggage
...or watch on in magnificent horror as the reporter learns the coach/manager hadn't yet been told...
…almost as good as learning you were fired by reading about it on the internet, eh, Gunther?
I'd love to see Trey put it all together someday
For an NL team after about 6 years as bench coach somewhere.
that seems appropriate
but to succeed in the NL, he REALLY needs to learn how to massage the bullpen envelope
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
you win
i’m going to miss massage/envelope/educate jokes
by stuckinstl12 on May 13, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
who knows, maybe the Yost era will just be
a brand new world of odd new “words”, “terms”, and “phrases” that don’t really exist, kind of make sense if you squint, and always make you laugh.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah just because there is a new manager
doesn’t mean I’m going to change the awesome joke train!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
once we blog-comment a tool, we own the tool
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
right that is
the process
as in we are good at the process in the sense that everyday we come to play and add to the process
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I like pyramids.
I don’t understand them at all, but that doesn’t stop me from liking them.
- W. Bloomquist homered to deep center
- P. Earth explodes
when is a good leverage situation for said pyramid?
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I like yellow rubber duckies.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Apes Read Philosophy.........
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 13, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Individual pitching matchups
Batting Average
RBI
SLUG
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
I don't give a shit if they hired drunken Uncle Cleatus
Getting Trey gone is a giant step in the right direction. Look for an immediate morale boost in the locker room. Trey was a smug anchor dragging us down.
Right, that's what I mean
Just interesting that he suggested they hire the guy who eventually became his replacement.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There is far less celebrating here than I would have expected
Just last night we were arguing over what we should name the firetreyhillman website.
you should go out to lunch more often
it seems like this is when the Royals make big moves
Royals need more big moves to start un-sinking this ship
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
or sink it faster
either way, the sooner the better
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
i was on a business call...
and immediately got like 12 call waiting calls… i knew something awesome was going down.
where's ross gload to explode the process?
I apparently saw the 20 losses
Over and over and over . . .
by Black and Gold on May 13, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
so my reaction is abit over zealous?
cuz 151-20 seems pretty damn awesome
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to hear the rest of this
But I need to get out of lab to go to the Sounds game. I’ll have to get an update later.
David Glass, Trust the Process.
Get with the program!
they needed to do this
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
Stupid question
but does this reset the Royals season record to 0 and 0?
by Black and Gold on May 13, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
DMGM is on the phone now
to Selig praying for a favorable ruling.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
ask and you shall receive...
Follow me on twitter.com/MizzouCus
by MizzouCus on May 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
third place!
and a new shot at 18-11!!!!!!!
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
WE"RE AT .500
GIVE YOST AN EXTENSION
NOWZZZZ!!!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
My 5:00 lesson just showed up.
I really don’t want to miss the rest of it. I hope he talks about how much the clubhouse hates him.
make todays lesson
a study of leadership and accountability
Doesn't really apply to blues guitar
But a good thought. How CAN I incorporate this?
You could write a blues song
About a baseball manager.
to wear a mustache or not
very important subject to analyze for both baseball managers and blues musicians
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
a royals fan would make
an amazing blues teacher.
You guys are hilarious.
Let me know if he talks about how much the clubhouse hates him.
18-11
WE WILL NEVER FORGET!
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by RoyalsRetro on May 13, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Its on Trey's resume
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
by averagegatsby on May 13, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Someone had to go, this was getting unacceptable. Is Hillman the whole problem? No, Moore is probably a bigger problem. But it’s a step in the right direction, at least we know Dayton actually knows he has a big league team as well as a farm system.
KYLE VENNA
at last a name to the person behind the mask
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think about it like this:
Say you work at a place where you are miserable and hate the job and it’s starting to show in your performance. When you don’t have to go to that place anymore, by getting a new job or getting fired, it’s a short-term frustration. But you know in the long run that you’ll be better off. You don’t have to deal with the storm of bullcrap.
At a place I once worked, every time someone got out of there, we were all jealous and wished the person the best, because they didn’t have to be in the shithole of a job anymore.
by powderbluepower on May 13, 2010 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Umm.. didn't complete the thought.
In some ways, I’m happy for Trey that he’s not here anymore. He was not the worst part, but he also wasn’t exactly helping much.
by powderbluepower on May 13, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
When I got laid off
from “large unnamed internet media corporation” in 2007, an impromptu beerfest got held at a big beerhall-type place near the office campus.
Now, prior to this layoff, every other layoff in the past had been used to get rid of deadwood, people who were voluntarily leaving, or people who were “hard to work with” (i.e., “assholes”). This time, though, over 2,000 people got let go and all the decisions were made at President level, and it was essentially random (so random, in fact, that about 100 people had to be rehired over the next three weeks just to keep the company running).
Damn near everyone who got laid off was in high spirits, having fun, and networking their asses off. The folks who didn’t? Most of them were disconsolate. A lot of them were crying. Part of that was being worried over friends who got let go, sure… but most of it was “damnit, I’m still stuck here and now my job’s going to suck even MORE.”
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
by jonfmorse on May 13, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JoPo, Rany and Mellenger all saying that it sounds like the move came from
above GMDM, if that’s the case then it’s good Glass is taking this team seriously
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the process is doomed
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on May 13, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So it sounds like this came down from Glass.
Does this mean that Glass is going to start meddling again? Does this affect spending on the minors, FAs, and what not?
Don't Stop Believing!
i just wasn't sure how far the cuty "-y" nickname thing stretched
I'm hiding out in the big city blinking.
I voted for that post
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is He Going
To pull out a top hat and cane and give us a little “Thanks For The Memories” as he shuffles off the stage?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
this is Trey's fault:
Tejada – 19IP
Farnsworth – 14IP
Hughes – 13IP
Soria – 13IP
im just saying at that point in the season it really didn't seem like it mattered who went in to pitch
everyone was blowing everything. Switch just 5 of those losses to wins and this doesnt happen. Im not arguing for trey either… he makes some incredibly stupid decisions but really is this going to help at all. I sure hope it does but blah
YES CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRE MOORE NEXT !!!!!!!!!!!
by GobbleforCyoung on May 13, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions
at least we know ownership cares...
i’m almost positive moore doesnt stand a chance. by the end of the season, it’ll still be painfully obvious his acquisitions suck and he’ll be done.
where's ross gload to explode the process?
Wow. Dramatic day.
So did anybody hit the double of “May 13” and “Ned Yost”? I didn’t.
The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein
by The Ol' Perfesser on May 13, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
Who says GMDM doesn't learn from his mistakes?
Overturning the whole bullpen, now firing the manager….what next? Maybe soon Yuni and Jose get genuinely replaced by Aviles and Kila?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Grienke a win. Soria a save.
Hillman out. Somebody kick me in the jimmy. I think I might be dreaming.
by LaFLamme on May 13, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
does anybody that doesn't work for another media outlet
actually give a shit who breaks stories? WHB already teasing that when the Royals fired Hillman ‘you heard it here first’
for being a local station
they sure have it packaged really slick…it’s like they are trying to make those “piles of money” that KK and knobslobber (Clinkscale) keep railing against.
"He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it felt...he lives vicariously...through himself- He is the most interesting man in the world"
by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
God I hate those guys
So much in fact that my fantasy baseball team this year is named I Hate K. Keitzman (last year it was I Hate Trey Hillman, ironically).
I’m not a very happy guy, apparently…
what's infinity percentage wise?
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Windmill is not bad
I like him. There I said it. I went to the game with my dad and one of his buddies and I told them about this site, and also explained the man, the myth, the legend…aka the windmill.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
If we've learned anything from this experience
it’s that we need to buy the rights to firenedyost.com while we still can.
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
Well, we used to gripe about Hillman being too easy on the umps,
his arguments were more like a soft hug. But Yost has taken that hug and upped it to, literally, an open-mouthed kiss:
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
What I am most interested in now...
…is how Yost puts together the lineup. If Kendall continues his bid to catch 220 games this season and Betancourt continues to start at SS after dropping pop-ups then it will tell us exactly who is making the day-to-day decisions with this team. I think a lot of us suspect Moore has his hand in the decision on who plays and who doesn’t, so maybe this will solidify that thought or shoot a hole through it.
by JSouth on May 13, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought the day would never come
Now we just need a winner…. How does Yost do with his bullpen?
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Question to Zack Greinke: "What do you know about Ned Yost"
Zack’s response: “Um, nothing. I guess he used to be the manager of the Rockies. Or maybe it was the Brewers. He looks more like a manager of the Brewers”
BOOM! ROASTED!
by GoBabies!! on May 13, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
ZG bringing us back to reality
manager, shmanager.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 13, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Trey is fired -Fuck yea - Time to drink
Ned is hired – Fuck no – Time to drink more
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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 13, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
two steps ahead of you!
woo happy, sad, woo happy, sad.
by cfizzle on May 13, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
careful with those vodlka + redbulls
they tend to do that to people
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Obama was elected and people were glad Bush was gone?
HOPE! CHANGE! Wait, did anyone actually figure out if the new guy is good?
Farnsworth's imitation tight-pants now on sale at Dick's!
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on May 13, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
That analogy would be cause for optimism
The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein
by The Ol' Perfesser on May 13, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I blame the Ford administration
"You know what, I mean I cried in bed for a while, moaning 'Why!? Why did this have to happen?'"
Zack Greinke on the Brad Pitt - Jennifer Aniston split
Blame Henry Ford
And I’m on board.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 13, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, well the last guy, Bush, was about as bad as you could ever ever get.
So replacing him with a shower curtain would have been an upgrade.
Stupidly
I am for no good reason watching SportsCenter. While the firing of Hillman is on the bottom-of-screen crawl, it hasn’t made it to the actual broadcast yet. And baseball has been covered (at least a few games), so it isn’t that (even though they’re mostly verbally drooling over some NBA playoff game tonight).
The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein
by The Ol' Perfesser on May 13, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
If Yost approaches his job like Obama
we will be sitting pretty but the fear is he’s an empty Texas Hat like Hillman was- and the good ole boy network continues from Atlanta
He said Kyle Vena, right?
Hey, I played in a rec basketball league with that guy. I knew he worked for the Royals, it was a couple years ago. Talked a lot about Dayton Moore, some interesting stories.
any details you wish to share?
or are all the stories about his kids or something?
The Alex Gordon era - www.number4thesmirk.com
by CollininCalifornia on May 13, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
yes but does he really study stats
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You Know...
Ned the head
Needle Nose Ned
She said "are you stupid or just apathetic?"
I said "I don't know and I don't care"
on the radio
I don’t know what was honest and what wasn’t,
but it sounded honest.
Dayton sounded very remorseful for having to fire Trey over things that were ultimately his (Dayton’s) own fault.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
whoa
a kink in the armor that is the process? you surely jest sir!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I jest always
And don’t call me Shirley.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
I appologize
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Really seems like this has been a long time coming sword of Domicles that the Glasses have hung over him (GMDM) that he has been dodging at all expenses.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Where the hell you been Billy
haven’t seen you around RR this season…I thought you gave up on the boys in blue
BOOM! ROASTED!
I've just been reading posts.
Last June 20 we moved from Raytown to our new house just outside the Little Platte Park on Smithville Lake. Takes me five minutes to drive to the marina if I go really slow.
Do the math. I’ve had better things to do!
google this … 504 Marina Dr. Smithville MO
the google this… 5813 Ralston Raytown MO.
former is new house, latter is old house.
the jets don’t fly over my new house on the home openers anymore, but who cares I’m crappie fishin on that day.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
oh yeah I got a boat too.
friend me on facebook, Billy Armstrong.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
haven't had much to add.
not much to say about nothing.
Christ, you don't need a quadrophonic Blaupunkt! What you need is a curveball! In the show, everyone can hit heat.
Just wondering the same t hing
welcome back, Billy
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah Billy
you need to post more
the weather outside is crappy (trust me)
stop having fun fishing and stuff ! DANG!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So I fully expect a Dead Cat Bounce over the next couple weeks
as the excitement of the new manager gets us a couple extra wins and then a return to horrible horrible form to round out the last 3 months.
Like this?
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
They're still funny
when you own one. You’re just subjected to the times they’re not funny as well.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on May 13, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have five
They’re all actually very good cats. One of them is about 18 years old and sleeps a lot.
POD WILL EXPLOD!!!!1!!
What I want to know is
whether Hillman, in spite of being sacked after 35 games, still has a chance to lead both leagues in ordering his team to make their first out of the game via the sacrifice bunt.
Hopefully Ned Yost doesn't surpass him.
by hunter s. royal on May 13, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
30 teams combined have 18 sacrifice bunts in the first inning
and KC has 4 of them.
And that’s my contribution to the elegy now in progress. Farewell, Trey. You’ll always have Sapporo.
One of Yost's positives
is that he’s not a big fan of the sacrifice. He was always near the bottom of the list in the NL.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
Step one
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on May 13, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Yost the first KC manager in a decade to have ML experience?
My hope is that Yost will learn from his Milwaukee experience and work with his strengths. Sounds like he can develop young talent. Handling the bullpen takes experience so I hope he has learned from his failures there too.
I’ll be interested to see if Yost plays the veteran like Trey did or goes with the younger guys. How long will Gordon stay in Omaha learning to play LF?
Will this be the first step of an overhaul (which would be an indictment of GMDM’s ability) or a band aid move to right the course?
The season is still young – not even a 1/4 yet but I’m pleased Trey is gone. Too many goofy moves – bunting early, bullpen management, lack of ability to inspire players, staying with Meche too long TWICE, and a general lack of credibility.
Would you rehire Trey to manage a minor league team if you were the GM of an organization?
Bell had prior experience
with the Tigers and Rockies. Your call as to whether that qualifies as ML or not.
Buddy Bell
and Bob Schaefer, interim manager in 2005, had interim manager experience in 1991 as well.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Listening to both pressers
It’s amazing how one can make the right decision for the wrong reasons.
GMDM said, “it was really the 2nd half of last season and the beginning of this season that told me we needed to ‘move forward.’” Of course, rational Royals fans will acknowledge that it was precisely those time periods when Royals “talent” regressed to the mean. More simply, they played exactly as their statistics predicted they would.
Any one of us could pretend that he was just being nice, but it’s hard not to believe these are his actual feelings on the topic. He believes that this team would have been better under different leadership. Read that again. Dayton Moore believes the end of last season and the beginning of this one are a result of poor leadership—not poor decisions based on poor philosophy. Now, I’ll give him five or ten wins if he had a manager that knew not to give away outs in the first 7 innings by bunting, but let’s get serious. This team is playing only a game or two behind where they SHOULD be playing. They actually are this bad, folks.
Worse, Trey believed he failed not because of a horrendously flawed strategic baseball philosophy, but because he wasn’t able to “press the right buttons.” As if pressing the right buttons would make Billy a better at defense, or Guillen more disciplined, or Yuni the ability to do…anything, or bad middle relievers into average ones. You see? He blames himself because he couldn’t MOTIVATE them to get better! Doesn’t that punch you in the stomach like seeing your high school crush getting fat? “What was I thinking? Man, I’m lucky I didn’t get stuck with that!”
In essence, Dayton Moore firing Trey Hillman is like throwing away an overheating microwave because the clock isn’t working. We can celebrate that the correct decision was made, but we should be very, very wary that it was made for the absolute worst reasons.
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by Justin Bopp on May 13, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
What....
No Ned’s Atomic Dustbin references?? I hope Kila is not in it…..I wonder if this move is a prelude to more of the youngin’s in the linepu
by Nighthawk at the Diner on May 13, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions
Here's two questions that deserve their own thread:
1. Is it possible that Dayton Moore was made into a worse General Manager by basing his decisions off of Trey Hillman’s flawed strategy? I’m thinking of a similar relationship that Carl Peterson reportedly had with his coaches. Is that remotely possible?
2. In the same vein, is it possible that the right manager could steer GMDM the right direction? I’m thinking of sneaking in a young Ra-Ra guy that just happens to understand sabermetrics and explains them to Dayton over a few seasons in private.
I’m obviously speculating based on a fantasy world, where our General Manager was able to learn from mistakes instead of making the same bad ones over, and over, and over, and over again. But what if this was possible?
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No it's not possible
Moore has proven to be one of the stupidest human beings on the planet. Can you name a better GM of anything? Ever?
I’d rather have Jeff Skilling. Atleast he has a strength.
by GobbleforCyoung on May 13, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He could if he has the stones
but I don’t think that Yost has ‘em. He can look at the roster and say, "Well, Betancourt joins Bloomers on the bench, Aviles is the SS, and Guillen’s starting less against RH pitching to see if Kila actually can contribute to this team, and on occasion Pods and Kendall are going to sit, and, Ankiel is definitely playing RF when he gets back, and even then it won’t be everyday." Essentially, he has to tell Dayton he won’t use crappy players even if Dayton prefers them. If he did, he may have the chance to have some influence.
You can tell that I’m a big fan of fiction.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on May 14, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Even If He
Had done what nearly all of us advocated, he would have been out the door unless we were immediately in contention. If you defy your boss’s will, you’d better exceed his expectations by a good margin. Moore probably thought his putrid pile of parrot droppings he had assembled was at least a .500 team. Even doing the best possible things with this roster wouldn’t get you to .500 without a lot of luck.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 14, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
What's DM gonna do?
Fire Yost after he wins Friday because he didn’t play Yuni/Kendall/Pods/Ankiel/etc?
Yost should be so lucky.
I Should Be
More careful with pronouns. It makes sense in my head, but I’m the only one there (most of the time). I meant Hillman could not have defied Moore by doing what we wanted him to do without being fired anyway unless the team really took off. They’d be better, but hardly contenders. Yost might be able to get away with it, if he wants to. I’ll be interested to see today’s lineup.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 14, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean I have to change my screen name?
I knew it was a bad idea when I picked it… just like my Vanilla Ice tattoo.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on May 13, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
No, it's awesome
Permanent tribute. Did “I need more Esteban” change his after Esty got dumped? Did “buddyball” change his when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor?
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by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Germans
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 14, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I can top that MAYBE
went to the liquor store, slightly irritated, bought a case of wine, a case of beer, came back, new manager.
You win haha.
See Royals. See Royals fail.
by CarolinaRoyal on May 13, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you can celebrate.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
by Warden11 on May 13, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, you want to hear something messed up?
I went to the game today with a friend. Sitting first base side, dugout box seats (behind the Royals dugout). I had made a “Fire Trey” sign to hold up when he walked back to the dugout from the pitching mound after making a move to the bullpen. Stadium people wouldn’t let me bring it in.
Crazy.
More obscurity was needed, perhaps
My obscure suggestions to meet the local standard of taste:
Just a little more slug, then it’s outta here
Our out tray is your out, Trey
The outré’s on the outs
Your mileage may vary.
by 2X2L on May 13, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is great news. The Royals were what 1-9!
Hillman’s lineups suck. Willie Blommquist must give the best BJ"s because he should never play. Podsednick is fine, Dejesus, Callaspo are fine. Guillen should be playing RF so Kila can play first and Billy can DH. Aviles should start every day and lets see what Getz can do. Maier is the 4th outfileder and spells Guillen late in games for defensive purposes.
by GobbleforCyoung on May 13, 2010 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
As for the pitchers
Meche and Hochevar have to figure their shit out and start pitching well. No more excuses you need to step up and just be better. Bannister and Davies are what they are and nothing more than back end rotation guys.
The bullpen can actually be decent of Farnswroth Hughes and Tejeda continue to pitch decently. They need another arm though
by GobbleforCyoung on May 13, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that's Blake Wood
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Why should Guillen even be in the lineup?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Last 28 days:
BA .211 OBP .262 SLG .358 OPS .620
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Which means that over the last 28 days
Mitch Maier is over 100 points better in OPS than Guillen. So, by all means, let’s get him out of the lineup to make room for a guy who can’t field a ball anymore unless it’s hit within 8 feet of him.
Brilliant! GobbleforManager!
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
I don't know...
8 feet is questionable
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
if YOU were a coach
would you want to sit next in the dugout with him?
~~~Damn, I wish i had a clever signature
A little reminder here
as fun as it is picking on treyton, let’s not forget the most important news item of the day.
That kid Grienke finally earned his damn paycheck. I was really getting tired of his dead weight
~~~Damn, I wish i had a clever signature
Meh
Bye Hillman
If you watch Jaws backwards, it's about a shark that throws people up until they have to open a beach.
by ratherfantastic on May 13, 2010 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Trey was a fucking clown and didn't deserve a job,
but it’s not like this improves the team or the front office.
"Do they have people that tall in Mexico?"
Out With The
Bad is easy. In with the good……….not so much.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 13, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost forgot
your Milwaukee/Doug Melvin reference is perfect, since Melvin was preceded as Brewers GM by…
wait for it…
former Atlanta Braves Assistant (to the?) General Manager Dean Taylor!
Can’t go wrong with a Braves guy. Total Scheurholtz GM factory. Taylor! LaMar! Moore!
I wonder what ol’ Deano is up to these days?
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by Matt Klaassen on May 14, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if that came off jerkish
I was just trying to find a funnier way of saying “I know, that’s the joke”
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by Matt Klaassen on May 14, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
@@@Jerk@@@
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 14, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Mellinger said that it was likely Moore that made the decision
Not Glass. He said that he talked to some people with the Royals organization and that they made it sound like Dayton made the decision himself.
by MinnesotaRoyal on May 13, 2010 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
regardless
i’m glad somebody finally noticed it wasn’t working..DM you’ll be next unless you pull your head out of your ass and start making this team better…DM has been given all the resources and latitude he needs to succeed in his position…things had better start improving quickly or he will be gone, too.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on May 13, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
coughbullshitcough
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
this from the guy
who couldn’t step up as a rook and get Posada out in Yankee stadium. Sad
Ok
what I want to know is if the value of my Trey auto ball goes up or down, so that my finacial future can be at ease tonight!??
and isn't it time for this
end toys
send toy
dye snot
nods yet
it's good to have some ideas floating around
but we really haven’t MET Ned yet.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 14, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
letter to the editor, September 2008
Brewers need to do the little things As things get autumnal, playoff teams suddenly recall the bunt. Yes, a bunt takes the bat out of a slugger’s hands; however, free swingers like Mike Cameron and Bill Hall could do worse than moving a runner one spot closer to scoring.
Manager Ned Yost must extinguish the candle in his shrine to Earl Weaver: If Rickie Weeks walks to start the game, he should steal second. J.J. Hardy should bunt him to third. Ryan Braun could hit a pop fly or a well-placed grounder. The Brewers would have a run on the board, two out and Prince Fielder at the plate. Repeat as necessary to generate similar results.
The Brewers aren’t good at bunting . The bunt, like consultative selling, is an informed way to make things happen. If employees are not great at consultative selling, do companies take it out of their sales arsenal? Will they rely solely upon the cold-call?
As a company, the Brewers need to stop relying on the cold-call that is the home run. This would be less a philosophical change and more a necessary adaptation for a team in need. The Brewers need to bunt in order to manufacture the runs necessary to produce a playoff spot.
so the Brewers aren’t good at bunting, so they should bunt more often?
bunting cultists are weird.
but less bunting is better
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
You notice how the letter-writer
thinks of it as a decision between “bunting” or “hitting a home run”?
What a clod. Doubles work just fine.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
Rally only half killed
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 14, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
And even with his false dichotomy
he chooses bunts
Must be all the beer, sausage and cheese curds
clogging his brain.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on May 14, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
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