My Top Five Suggested Replacements for Trey Hillman
- Joe Torre. Is he ready to accept the ultimate challenge and massage the Royals into winners? Because he totally could.
- Bobby Valentine. The roller coaster saga of Joe Posnanski's enthusiasm followed by disillusionment makes this a no-brainer.
- Mike Sweeney. His faith makes him the near-perfect Dayton hire. His Baird-era connection makes him the perfect 2012 scapegoat. This Grass Creek double agent deserves a reward for his outstanding work.
- Tony Pena, Sr. Veteran leader Jason Kendall would give him plenty of clubhouse "slug," so this wouldn't just be about unintentional comedy. Okay, yes it would.
- Buddy Bell. He was right about at least one thing -- it can always get worse.
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I dont think you are taking this situation serious enough.
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
Frankly
as long as he is trained in linear weights, I don’t care what kind of monkey the next manager is.
Chimpanzees On Crack
Are apparently running many important institutions in the world. They’d probably do as well managing a MLB squad.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 9, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
DM is gonna go JP Riccardi
and he’ll hire Hal McRae
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
I'm thoroughly convinced
We can do worse than what we have. We manage to every time we make a managerial change. Follow this stellar trajectory:
1. Dick Howser: God rest his soul – a WS manager!
2. John Wathan: Winning record!
3. Hal McRae: Around .500, but it’s not good when you’re most famous managerial move is throwing a phone.
4. Bob Boone: We start to take on water
5. Tony Muser: I’ve blocked this whole tenure from my mind. It was that good.
6. Tony Pena: I can barely give him credit for the miracle season. He just wasn’t a manager.
7. Buddy Bell: Do I really need to comment here? WE HIRED A GUY WITH THE WORST FRIGGING ACTIVE RECORD AVAILABLE
8. Trey Hillman: Unfortunately, our organizational arch tells us that the next guy WILL be worse. Hard to believe.
I once had hope...now I have Moore.
by Dubya on May 9, 2010 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe we can pull someone out of the Korean leagues this time.
There’s always the Mexican leagues too.
He's got a guy on the other line
asking about some whitewalls.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 10, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not giving Hal enough credit,
he did much more than just throw a phone.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
Like that big winning streak right before the strike
and 13 games over .500 at the time of the strike and he got CANNED. If Hillman was 13 games over .500 they’d be trying to figure out where to put the statue. Nothing like punishing success by being terminated. Besides what did it matter? Boone was the answer.
didn't just can McRae
also gave David Cone away for jackshit (worse than Cone for Hearn) and gave away Brian McRae
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
I just stumbled upon this gem
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/031209gmprospects.html
Sometimes the best way to convince someone he is wrong is to let him have his way. --- Red O'Donnell
Dayton will be the next manager
God willing.
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on May 9, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions
Brett seems to know that he's on top of KC still
and managing this team would only kill that.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball. I’ll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.
"that's what put the Braves over the top"
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
Torre Was Buddy
Bell bad until he went to the Yankees. I wonder if there is a lesson there
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
minor league managers you may know
Tom Prince, GCL Pirates
Joe McEwing, Winston Salem Dash
Wally Backman, Brooklyn Cyclones
Tim Laker, West Tenn Diamond Jaxx
Dusty Wathan, Clearwater Threshers
Sal Fasano, Lansing Lugnuts
and some minor league coaches
Julius Matos, Tampa Yankees hitting coach
Stubby Clapp, Lexington Legends hitting coach
Russ Morman, Richmond Flying Squirrels hitting coach
Jorge Orta, AZL Reds hitting coach
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
Stubby Clapp? Really?
Backman would likely be a smallball proponent if he manages anything like he played. Fasano? You guys know him a lot better than I do.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 9, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Fasano get extra benefits out of managing?
I know that he had problems last year with money
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
I Would Imagine
He would get some kind of benefits, but I don’t know. I hope so.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 9, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
ohhh...dusty...i like....
he used to give me hitting lessons
well, judging from the results…might not be the best idea
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on May 9, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
can you imagine Ryan and Frank talking about Super Joe and his fundamentals
nice to see that Joe Randa still likes his family enough that he doesn’t want to be a manager or coach
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
re: Brett
are you allowed to manage an MLB team while owning multiple minor league teams?
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
I'd love to have Orta as manager
Just to see him argue any close safe/out calls at first base.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
OK
I would hire the guy that went insane last season (or was it 2 seasons ago by now) and the the Rosin-Bag Grenade @ the Umpire…(oh, BTW, he was a Mgr in the BRAVES org, so this is probably already a done deal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGZUKHtW7vg
I have a feeling if, by some miracle, GMDM were to get rid of Hillman that Frank White would be on his list of candidates
BOOM! ROASTED!
other than ATL tantrum guy
I can see Dayton going all in with Frank, what better way to tarnish one more piece of the KC legacy.
Hope Frank is smart enough to say no.
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by Matt Klaassen on May 9, 2010 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In all seriousness...I really think there is a possibility (albeit a small one)..
that Trey Hillman may not make it to Tuesday. I know Dayton is a knucklehead, but even a blind man can see that this is spinning out of control (AGAIN). Not a Gibbons fan here….but, with him sliding in to hold down the fort until we can find someone.
I’m sure I will be wrong, but if not this week….I truly can’t see him making it to the All Star game.
I pray I’m right.
by Clearly Ambiguous on May 9, 2010 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
and...I'm not even religious. Desperation.
by Clearly Ambiguous on May 9, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hire Hal MacRae!!!!!
The curse of Hal has plauged this organization ever since they fired him for some dumbass reason. We know he don’t take no shit off his players. We must break the curse!!
Fire Dayton Moore Now!!!!!!!!!
by royaldaddy on May 9, 2010 11:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I thought it was the curse of David Cone
I went to the Plaza and said "this is where the parade will be held when Dayton Moore gets fired"
What's Grady Little doing these days?
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on May 10, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
George Brett would probably be as bad or worse than Hillman
Everything I’ve heard from him is unenlightened, old school traditionalism. You have to sac bunt that runner over in the first inning. You have to let relievers get into clear roles. You have to save the closer for the ninth inning. Grit is extremely important.
Brett was a great player. But his baseball mind is stuck in the 80’s (or 70’s). We’d hate him as a manager.
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by Scott McKinney on May 10, 2010 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Agree
The last thing we need is a traditionalist. WE CANNOT WIN PLAYING WITH THE SAME RULES AS TEAMS THAT HAVE MORE RESOURCES THAT US. This isn’t 1985.
I’d rather have Banny as a manager than Brett – by far.
I once had hope...now I have Moore.
Yeah, I’d rather role the dice with some guy who will think outside the box (and actually give player usage and strategy some thought) than go with yet another traditional manager, who would probably be the 30th best traditional manager in baseball.
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by Scott McKinney on May 10, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
If only most other teams were still dumb enough to do that stuff
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by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was talking about managing, not general managing
Other front offices have adjusted to the 21st century. Managing, on the other hand, is still stuck in the late 1980’s. I don’t know of any progressive, new-thinking managers.
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by Scott McKinney on May 10, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just impressed
when managers figure out it’s okay to have a good hitter hitting #2. Even Mike Scioscia seems to have figured that out. On the other hand, Aybar is leading off, so…
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by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
With regard to #2 hitters, I wonder how much things have changed
I think there has been some movement towards batting better hitters second in the lineup, but not a great deal of movement. When teams have a lot of good hitters, it’s easy to put a good one at #2. But on teams where there are only a handful of good hitters, I’m going to guess that more often than not, none of the top four hitters are batting second. I believe that the thinking has evolved somewhat behond "you want a guy hitting second who can handle the bat, put down a bunt, take some pitches, and/or move the runner over on a hit-and-run. But I don’t think the prevailing managerial sentiment has evolved far beyond that. When you’ve got a good, deep lineup, I think managers see putting a genuinely good hitter at #2 is a luxury. But when they don’t have that “luxury”, I think they often put a good “bat-handler” there.
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by Scott McKinney on May 10, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A Caller On
The postgame show (or Ford, I really don’t remember) mentioned Getz as a possible #2 batter. I nearly puked.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 10, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How often are great players great managers?
I have no idea, there neeeds to be a study. We know they get a large portion of the “chances,” of course.
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by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably about as often as
great players are great broadcasters/analysts.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 10, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
(giggles)
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by Matt Klaassen on May 10, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Frank
would giggle as much in the dugout as he does in the booth?
Ryan [in the booth]: High pop to short. Betancourt settling under it…and he drops it!!
Frank [mic’d up in the dugout]: (giggle)
Ryan [in the booth]: And Gil Meche, already at 117 pitches, will stay in to pitch the bottom of the 8th. Riding him until his arm falls off, huh, Frank?
Frank [mic’d up in the dugout]: (giggle giggle)
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on May 10, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
if it were Tony Pena, Sr. , would that mean bringing back TPJ?
and would he play him all the time, like the typical “coach’s son” treatment? If he’s a pitcher that’s OK; shortstop, not OK.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 10, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions
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