Early UZR Check: Royal Outfield Looking Surprisingly Bad
Let's get this out of the way: 1) it's early 2) small sample 3) defensive stats are sure crazy aren't they?
This year's defensive outfield can help us understand why the Royals have had so much trouble getting to .500.
Over at Fangraphs you can look at the UZR numbers for an outfield as a whole. It's a nifty feature because it makes sense that at some level we should consider the OF as something of a team. So how are the Royals doing in the very early season check thus far? Not super great, it turns out.
The Royals rank just 8th in the American League in OF UZR at the moment. Sure, this is the Royals, so being close to average means things are actually not bad, but I was a little disappointed to see a ranking that low. (For something like this, I personally like to look at UZR rankings rather than digging too much into the specific numbers. The rankings convey a general sense fairly well, without distracting us with details that may or may not be terribly meaningful.)
Considering that this might be the team's most logical OF from a defensive perspective in many years, only being in the bottom-of-the-middle of the pack is a bit of a letdown.
Here are the leading players at each OF position:
- LF: Podsednik 90.8% of the innings
- CF: MITCH: 65.3%
- RF: DeJesus: 86.2%
So the Royals have a fast guy who used to play CF in LF, a real CF out there in MITCH, and a generally well-regarded COF in RF... and 8th?
So what might be going on?
- Jose Guillen has played just 39 OF innings this year, but his numbers are insanely bad. Like, worst OF who ever lived bad.
- Willie Bloomquist has played 92 random OF innings and UZR isn't a huge fan of what he's done either.
- And rounding up the part-timers, Dick Ankiel's 140 innings aren't highly praised by the system either. So in sum, all the backups/part timers have been bad. Those 271 innings of negative UZRs have dragged down the number, and, in reality, also cost the Royals runs in real life.
- As for the regulars, MITCH and DDJ have been pretty good. DDJ's posted a 2.5 UZR, which has unfortunately been nearly entirely erased in the short time that Guillen and Bloomy have "patrolled" right field. MITCH has been one of the better CFs in the AL, but as noted above, he's only played 65.3% of the innings out there.
- Which finally brings us to Scot Podsednik. Pods has a decidedly meh UZR thus far of -0.1. I think this mostly jives with what we thought about him coming into the season: he wasn't going to kill us out there, but he also wasn't really going to help.
You may have found this a terribly boring post, but I think it highlights some of the problems the Royals have had during the last decade. Because of the nature of the game, to have a good baseball team, you have to have a number of really good players. You can't funnel your offensive "touches" to one or two good players and you can't really scheme anything to hide your flaws. The bottom of the order sucks? Tough, they're still going to bat 95% as often as the top of the order. The bullpen is terrible? Well, unfortunately, they will have to pitch nearly every game. And so on. Just having Zack Greinke and Joakim Soria isn't going to give you a good pitching staff. To have a good staff, over a 162 game season, you have to have a good staff. Period.
We can see this in the Royal outfield. The Royals have a good starting point with David DeJesus on one of the corners. And, they even caught some dumb luck when Ankiel went down, allowing a plus CF to become the starter. Wow, 2/3rds of the OF is good! We must have a good OF!
Not quite. Pods is a classic Dayton Moore miscalculation: an over-priced, over-rated player who isn't really providing the Royals with what they think he is. Coupled with the negative contributions of Guillen and Bloomquist, the details of roster construction once again doom the team. Nearly all the runs DeJesus has saved in RF have been canceled out by what the backups have done in much less time. If Willie Bloomquist can't hit and can't actually field multiple positions, then why is he on the roster?
The little misses add up. It's hard to be good. Until we get to a point when Dayton Moore's minor players, guys like Pods and Bloomy and Dick are actually assets and not sinkholes, the Royals are never going to win.
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Ineresting look on the sabermetrics of defense.
Can you do an infield post as well?
If we could adjust the OF UZR using just Mitch, DDJ, Pods, and Ankiel, where would we rank?
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The Royals are 10th in the AL in total UZR. So the infield must be much worse than 8th. They don’t have the option in FG to aggregate for the IF as a whole.
1B: Royals = T-6th (-0.1)
2B: Royals = 13th (-4.4)
SS: Royals = T-10th (-1.8)
3B: Royals = 9th (-1.1)
All those negative numbers add up in the wrong direction, right?
as i've said many times
I personally can’t evaluate the Gordon-to-OF move, it was, as far as I can tell, one of the more insanely drastic things I’ve seen a team do with a young player
Will, whats with all the very recent hatin' on Callaspo regarding OBP?
Yes, he’s slumping, but before his slump, he had a pretty solid record of, you know, getting on base, and I think after two decent OBP seasons for us, he deserves a little more benefit of the doubt than this. This wasn’t like Jacobs, where we KNEW going into the ordeal that he was going to suck from an OBP standpoint (and from pretty much every other standpoint too).
his walk rate is just stunningly awful
and the kind of thing you just don’t see that often from a player
other than, say, Mike Aviles
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
but, yeah, though Callaspo's previous track record was good
and we’re just over a third of the way through the season, so this is a small sample.
Still, walk rate “stabilizes” earlier than other stats, and as has been discussed in other posts, his plate discipline trends are disturbing so far this season. Hopefully he’ll go back to his earlier approach as the season wears on.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
And I don't think it's on Callaspo, in and of himself, as it is the FO decision
to make him the feature of the early-season infield machinations. A young player with potential got sent down to learn a new position while the “prize” is a moderate-power-hitting guy with a sub-300 OBP?
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Individually (Qualified Fielders Only)
Billy Butler – 8th of 12 in AL (-0.6)
Yuni – 8th of 10 in AL (-2.9)
Callaspo – 5th of 11 in AL (1.9)
Callaspo has played 78.9% of the innings at 3rd base, so 14.8% of Alex Gordon (-4.1) did the most damage to the numbers at the hot corner. Bloomquist held his own with 4.6% of the innings (1.1) and 1.8% of the innings have gone to Wilson Betemit (no UZR listed).
That 2B number is disappointing
Callaspo did a surprising amount of damage there given that I barely even remember him playing 2B, but UZR has not liked Aviles’s 2B defense at all. Way too small a sample to make any conclusions, but it’s something to keep an eye on.
Yup
UZR at 2B for 2010 Royals:
Chris Getz – 225.1 inn. (39.6%) = -0.9 UZR
Mike Aviles – 220 inn. (38.7%) = -2.2 UZR
Callaspo – 99 inn. (17.4%) = -1.0 UZR
Bloomquist – 24 inn. (4.2%) = -0.4 UZR
Like everyone says, small sample size, but maybe Aviles is better suited at SS?
Like everyone says, small sample size, but maybe Aviles is better suited at SS?
I'm sure the royals know what they're doing<code
Looks like Colon sticking at SS isn't that big of a concern.
A plus glove with plus hands and plus hands would be an upgrade anywhere on the infield.
AND
a plus leader.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 15, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as its a
PLUS sticking colon.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 15, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Good post
Just a friendly reminder to those who will comment on this thread (or any thread for that matter), if you are looking at one season or less of defensive data (~1200 innings) for individual players, use UZR, not UZR/150.
I can't believe the anti-Dayton Moore bias on his site
you focus on the one bad outfielder, but forget that he put together 2/3s of a good outfielder with great acquisitions like Mitch Maier and David DeJesus! Could Allard Baird have pulled that off?
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good post
You know, most teams actually have good defenders who can’t hit coming off their bench. We have poor defenders tha can’t hit. Well played Dayton.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jun 15, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
we need to contact banny somehow...
and have him convince Guillen to simply NOT MOVE AT ALL the next time Yost puts him in the OF
much as banny does random stuff to see how it shows up on pitch f/x, we need to see if Guillen’s defense improves if he simply does not move
we're not playing for anything else, why not test the theory....
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 15, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We Have Two
LH power bats in Omaha ready to come to the big team, one of whom is an COF who will likely be an upgrade in both halves of the inning. Instead, we’ll be seeing Rocky F. LOBster tripping over blades of grass in CF and flailing at butterflies in the batter’s box.
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that really is a good way to talk about ankiel's swing
“looks like he’s swinging at butterflies”
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 15, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think He
Really is sometimes.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 15, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Either that or he is imagining batting against Rick Ankiel the pitcher
and he can’t decide where the wildness will go.
Good post
I actually feel much more comfortable trusting UZR for the outfield as a whole than I do trusting UZR for individual outfielders. The sample size will be much bigger and the numbers won’t get bumped around by interactions between outfielders. Quick question—would UZR for the whole outfield be any different than standard zone rating?
On the whole tho, this post’s emphasis on the bench’s impact on overall defense makes me feel more optimistic. I know we haven’t seen it yet, but I think DM will soon start relying more on his in-house options to fill his bench slots, and with Moore’s love of drafting speedy outfielders who are fast and have plus speed, I think that will play well for our outfield defense…..you know, in the abstract.
hmm... someone?
Quick question—would UZR for the whole outfield be any different than standard zone rating?
I hope so but I have no idea why you think this.
I think DM will soon start relying more on his in-house options to fill his bench slots
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I agree that he will, as long as
“relying on” means “jerking them around b/t ML and AAA, inconsistent playing time, and playing them out of position”
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd been waiting on someone else to do this post
I have a vague understanding of UZR and can actually see the numbers jump into life when I watch a game. Scouts must have it tough to tell that Betancourt can’t go to his left or that Pods can’t really cover ground like he should in LF…. NOT.
The only other thing I have to add is that I was at the Angels game a couple weeks ago at the K when Bloomquist got the start in CF. I stood in the front frow of the Party Porch (great view). There were at least 2 balls that dropped that Maier probably would have gotten to. Bloomy made a diving play that night that “earned” a standing ovation, but from where I was standing it appeared he not only took a bad angle but timed his steps a la Jim Edmonds to make himself have to dive. He knows he has to do these things to get playing time, but damnit he is just not good. Maier makes many of those plays routinely. UZR seems to confirm these things.
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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jun 15, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
Bloomquist...
I’m too lazy to look this up, but my impression of Bloomy when we got him was that he was ok in the IF, and pretty bad in the OF… of course, the royals have used him mostly in the OF for whatever reason
His career UZR and UZR/150
Say he’s negative at every position other than 2B. His season-to-season numbers jump all over the place, probably since he plays so many positions every year and not many innings at any one spot.
Good post...
But as you point out…2/3 of the starting outfield (right now) is doing pretty well…the other 1/3 (Pods) isn’t exactly killing us….at leasty according to UZR.
So I don’t really see how the OF is killing us..right now anyway. Sure Guillen sucks…but he really doesn’t play enough to hurt us out there. Ankiel sucks…but it seems like he’s been hurt forever. Bloomers is Bloomers…get off his nuts.
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jun 15, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions
it isn't killing us
we aren’t good enough to have anything kill us
however, it still isn’t an asset either.
the point is, all the numbers count, all the innings count, all the games count. you can’t play subjective definition games and get away with it “2/3rds of the OF is decent” but the royals have so throoughly effed up the other innings out there that it’s a wash
Who are you going to believe?
Some bullshit stats cranked out in some dude's mom's basement, or DMGM's well-trained eyes?
another in the constant series of slam Podzenick posts, can someone
provide stats for the starting OF only. Where does that rank? We already knew the team is without legit OF subs and these will skew the stats. Or, is this another you can make stats say anything post. pix and chuses…and voila our nearly best D in the league OF D, 8th place.
Individually in the American League
DeJesus is the 6th best RF out of 12 (2.5 UZR)
Mitch is the 4th best CF out of 11 (3.0 UZR)
Pods is the 4th best LF out of only 7 qualifying (-0.1 UZR)
So…slightly below top third in the AL for just those starters?
14 out of 30 would be right around the middle
(if you accept the rough estimation of [6 + 4 + 4] out of [12 + 11 + 7])
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, except one of the legit OF subs is better than the appointed starter
again, enough with everyone’s sematic arguments
EVERY inning counts, EVERY player counts
Hmmm ....
How much does every inning and every player REALLY count? In the most recent blowout loss, what difference does it make if a low UZR player adds to the “lowness” in the last three innings? Yes, it counts completely in terms of determining a statistic, but in terms of the outcome of the game? Not much.
If you really want to come up with a stat where every inning counts, it seems like you might need to put UZR in context of the importance of a play at that point in the game (i.e., win probability?). Or maybe UZR already does that?
That said, the less I see our subs in the outfield, the happier I am.
you could so this with many stats
then then we end up coming up with ways of quantifying “clutch,” and the creators and thinkers behind win probability almost all agree that whlie it’s a good way to tell the story of a game, to use it to gauge player skill is a mistake.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And whether or not "clutch" has to be involved
every play affects every successive play, and no method of trying to isolate them is really possible, including determining the effect on the outcome of the game (or lack thereof).
In the most recent blowout loss, what difference does it make if a low UZR player adds to the "lowness" in the last three innings? Yes, it counts completely in terms of determining a statistic, but in terms of the outcome of the game? Not much.
But if AnKiel drops a flyball that lets a run score, now every play after that is different that what would have happened if he had caught it. Different pitchers may be pitching to different hitters, relievers/pinch hitters/defensive subs are used differently. Maybe the game’s course of events change, and a rally that would-have-been never existed – we can’t know. But we can know what happens in the “average” situation and figure that baseball teams and players on the whole end up with more or less the same situations over the long haul.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
our nearly best D in the league OF D
maybe the best in the AL Central, maybe, by your weird “only looking at the good players” methodology
imagine how good the offense would be if we only looked at DeJesus and Butler!
of course, for all other teams, we’ll look at their players as a whole
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
nah--post the stats. bet my dime to dollar one play one way or the other
affects the out comes dramatically. if that one play comes from a sub that fails to affect OF quality on most plays.
Only 140 innings of Ankiel's -2.8 D in CF
Imagine how good we’d be if he played all 568.1. Oh yeah, small sample size.
Spelling, man
Spelling and grammar. Even putting aside the fact that the argument didn’t make any sense, that comment was way too hard to read. I’m honestly not sure whether you’re trying to defend Podsednik or draw a parallel to between Pods and Grudzielanek.
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Thanks for analyzing this
it’s nice to see it in numbers.
However we know that GMDM doesnt believe them and goes by his own eyes. Which begs the question:
How can he not SEE this, it’s more obvious than Hoch’s ears.
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nevermind
I was tiring of reading the back and forth arguing about this, then it hit me:
The REAL test, if you want to believe there is hope for this front office and manager, is what do they do when Ankiel comes back?
If he plays in CF over Maier, and Pods still plays in LF over Maier, then I am less hopeful, because they simply cannot evaluate talent properly.
(Yes, I fully expect to be less hopeful)
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I’m sold
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 15, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You HAVE to play Ankiel every day the next five weeks
…if we’re going to flip him at the deadline for a C-level prospect!!
and jokes aside
they do have at least a shred of credibility for playing AnKiel in order to try and trade him. Would I do it, probably not. But I think a reasonable baseball mind might say that playing AnKiel for a month or so to try and trade him is not a bad idea.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 15, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I predict he will last a week or two and then get hurt again
he doesn’t exist to me
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What's the difference?
We’re not competing, and I don’t think any of us truly think Mitch Maier is a long term piece. I really, really, really like the guy, but his bat needs so much improvement.
I'd suggest picking a new REAL test
unless you want to be angry. If you want to feel better, choose the farm system ranking next spring as the REAL test.
yes, but
I agree the success/failure with the development of the farm system is a real test. Though if you buy yourself some Lamborghini parts, but you don’t know how to assemble and tune the engine, you’re still not going anywhere.
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