Five Things to Remember When Suggesting a Trade

Players are, in effect, properties. It isn't just about their talent, but their contracts. Would you rather buy a two bedroom house for $100,000 (David DeJesus) or a three bedroom house in the same neighborhood for $250,000 (Lance Berkman)?
Even without considering his contract, Jose Guillen is close to valueless on the trade market, so don't wear yourself out thinking of trade scenarios involving him.
Ditto Scott Podsednik.
Along the lines of #1, prospects and pre-arbitration players are extremely valuable, and teams realize this now more than ever.
It is always possible that one team, even the Royals, could blatantly rip off another, but keep in mind that Dayton Moore already runs the Royals.

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6. Steve Phillips, Dave Littlefield, and Chuck Lamar are no longer in the league to rescue you with stupid trades

7. This is not like OOTP where you can offer three crappy for one good player

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 24, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions

we still have Omar...

by AtTheWall on Jun 24, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

What is OOTP?

I see that and all I can come up with is Harry Potter (Order Of The Phoenix – that’s the fifth one in case you care and didn’t know).

by Gross(est) on Jun 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

the one with the intriguing "Veil of Death?" idea that was totally abandoned?

the one with the idiotic an unnecessary Grawp subplot?

The one with the unlikable, whiny hero?

The “one” that was mysteriously allowed to go to press without an editor?

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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 24, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah! That one.

So…..to what does OOTP in a baseball, non-Harry Potter context refer?

by Gross(est) on Jun 25, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions

"Out of the Park",

it’s a baseball franchise simulator, I think

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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 25, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions

you're saying you wouldn't trade Strasburg for Oswalt?

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Jun 24, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions

i have no idea what DDJ would be worth

but, i will say that the proposals i’ve seen for him from the fans of other teams are as bad as anything we’d do here.

by 9il on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions

And

8. The fact that a minor leaguer is included in a deal does not make him a prospect.

In trades essentially for cash or for players with little value (due to talent or salary), the trading team will often insist on getting an actual player in return just to have a name in the trade report. This player is almost always an organizational soldier who at best fills a need for one of the team’s minor league affiliates. They might not even be much better than current minor league free agents. In other words, there is no need to get excited if the Royals get another team’s version of Jeff Howell back in trade.

by Gopherballs on Jun 24, 2010 12:18 PM EDT reply actions

This

I frequented another board when Moore picked up Fernando Cortez as a throw in to the Howell trade.

It was amazing how many people penciled him in as the 2B of the future. Almost all of them prefaced by “Cortez wasn’t a throw-in, Dayton wouldn’t pick up a player unless he plans to use him”

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by Top Ramen on Jun 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm pretty sure no one said this

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Jun 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Why not just call him a liar

And save some words?

by kcbottom9th on Jun 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions

i'll remember this

i’d seriously be stunned if anyone said it though. anyone.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Jun 24, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey, how's Kendall doing hitting in the second spot?

At least no one here agreed with that decision, amirite?

It was on the scout board, and it was by some of the more ridiculous homers. I tried to go look it up, but their archives only go back to February of 2010.

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by Top Ramen on Jun 25, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Quote from the kcroyals.com board

thread

Quote from some guy named doublestx11

People, i’ve seen a lot of talk about Fernando Cortez here being a possible player in the Majors.

Let’s go back a few weeks. James Howell for Joey Gathright and Fernando Cortez. Who was the REAL guy that Dayton wanted in this trade? It was Gathright. Cortez was a throw in to offset the qualities in J.P. What do you think Moore was gonna say about him in the press conference? “Oh yea Cortez is just a fill-in right now in AAA”? No. Sure Fernando is still young, and plays good defense. But seriously, Gotay and Blanco will get the shot before he does.

Let me say this. I’m not trying to bash Cortez, though it may sound like it. I just think that some people here are overrating this guy. He is a prospect with some upside, nothing more, IMO of course. Hopefully I can get to an O-Royals game and see him in person to get a better idea of how he really is.

Nah, I was probably just lying.

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by Top Ramen on Jun 25, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions

posting on the royals.com board

good times. i had forgotten.

baseball rules.

by doublestix on Jun 25, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

I think we should trade Guillen and Podsednik for Brandon Boesch.

I’d even pick up some of Guillen’s salary if necessary.

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by Discodave on Jun 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

Greinke, Butler and DDJ

For Verlander, Cabrera and Porcello.

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by Discodave on Jun 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

On the flip side

I’ve seen more than one trade proposal by Royals fans where we give away Alex Gordon for nothing.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jun 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT reply actions

"HE'S NOT WORTH A DECENT RELIEVER!!!111"

Allegedly said by a KC area radio host

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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Another

Just because a Royal (DDJ perhaps) is better than what another team has, and just because that team is a buyer doesn’t make them a potential trade partner. It’s about marginal improvement, and if you are say, the Mets, than you can improve more by upgrading something other than OF, even though DDJ would improve them.

by kcbottom9th on Jun 24, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions