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Q & A with GMDM

Last year I got a second hand conversation with GMDM, this year, I got to be there for the Q & A session. 

First though, the morning highlight was Mitch Holthus from the KC Chiefs.  He spoke for an hour answering questions on what the Chiefs have been doing and how they have been improving.  Looks like the secondary is going to be our strongest point on the team.  Praised Cassell.  Talked about DJ starting.  His main point on DJ was his respiratory issues.  Mitch said that they have to be very careful on how they use DJ because if he gets to many snaps he cannot breathe effectively and becomes an ineffective player.  Because of that, the Chiefs are trying to figure out the best times to use him and how often to use him so that he is at peak performance.  All you DJ starters (me included) should remember this and realize that his most effective time is when he is fresh.  Because of that, it seemed as though Mitch thinks we'll see him more in the second half than the first half. Prediction was 9 wins.

Okay, back to the Royals

  • Ned Yost was brought in this year for an outsiders view.  They wanted someone who was not part of the organization to evaluate what has been happening.  Under Ned, the team has been playing more consistent.
  • They are still looking for consistent power sources. 

Star-divide

  • Chen and Lerew have done a very good job of stepping in and filling for injuries.  This shows that we are starting to get some depth at our MiLB levels.  Last year that did not happen.  Once we had injuries, we were no longer competitive.
  • Someone asked about John Buck and his success in Toronto.  Stated that we offered Buck a contract we thought was fair and he decided he wanted to test free agency.  He got a contract in Toronto that was very similar to what we offered.  We offered around  $1.5 M.  GMDM had nothing but good things to say about Buck especially about his work ethic.  He then mentioned to us that we wished to have Olivo and Buck both back but both decided to test the market.  (Didn't someone mention that Olivo wanted 2 or 3 years and $14 million?)  He said, in a very polite way, that Toronto and Colorado are among the league leaders in bases allowed from their catchers.  I looked this up as best I could.  John Buck has 1 PB, Toronto has 3 PBs as a team, and has allowed 35 WPs for a grand total of 39 free bases from catchers.  Olivo has 6 PBs, the Rockies have 8 PBs, and 34 WPs for a grand total of 48 free bases from catchers.  Kendall has 3 PBs, the Royals have 3 PBs (Branyan has 0 in like 10 innings), and 27 WPs (lead by Banni) for a grand total of 33 free bases as a team.  I think one of the main reasons they went with Kendall was mainly for a younger staff's confidence in pitching.  That being said, I'm thinking so those guys could throw almost any pitch at any time and have confidence it wasn't going to the backstop. 
  • Someone asked about Moose being promoted to AAA.  GMDM said that every player in the Royals system has a Player Developmental Plan.  Once they reach what they've been asked to accomplish, they are promoted.  Those plans are very complete and have a lot of things on them.  Coaches meet with the Front Office and get those things figured out.  It sounds like a lot of work and a very thorough process.  He talked about maybe moving Moose after everything gets back to normal after the All-Star festivities. 
  • Then he went on to explain that the MiLB guys move a step at a time.  Osuna and Montgomery have elbow tightness, nothing to worry about, just precautionary DL stints.  He isn't worried about it and they are both fairly young for the talent at that level.  He wants every rookie we bring up to be ready to compete for Rookie of the Year.  That's a mindset that I appreciate.  Make sure everyone is at their best when it's their time to compete. 
  • First mention of the Process.  He reminded us that it's an 8-10 year process on rebuilding the minor leagues.  He referenced the Yankees blowing everything up in '87 and going with home grown guys.  Mentioned the nucleus they had success with.  Posada, Jeter, Petite, Bernie Williams, Rivera as guys who were home grown.  He also mentioned that everyone says we are following the Braves process, but the Braves at that time followed the Royals process.  Remember, it was Schurholz (spelling?) that started the Bravest Way.  Now we are just getting back to the Royals Process.
  • Someone asked about Free Agency.  He said you have to remember that a team that is made up of FAs usually won't compete unless you have unlimited resources and even then it blows up sometimes.  You have to have 10-12 home grown guys that make up a nucleus.  The hardest thing is mixing and matching and finding a group of guys that work best together.
  • He went on to say that the Jose Guillen signing was to protect Alex and Butler more than anything.  They wanted a power bat in the lineup to help take pressure off of those two guys so they wouldn't be pitched around and it would help them develop.  He went on to say that the guys who were in the power bat class at that time were Andruw Jones, Aaron Rowand, Torii Hunter, and JoGui.  Of course, only one let us have a chance, the others said no way.  He then talked about mixing and matching lineups and understanding the risks of bringing in players.  He then mentioned Mike Jacobs as a guy who was in a similar position but didn't it didn't work out. 
  • Someone asked about Kila.  He said that his first year here Kila had just finished a .190ish batting average and more than 75% of the organization wanted to release Kila.  He wanted to keep Kila so they moved him down a level, and let him get back on track.  It's worked out so far.  He didn't say when Kila will get his shot, but he will get a shot.  He also said that corner bats are getting better in the MiLBs.
  • Someone asked about Alex Gordon coming up.  He said that they aren't going to push it and when he gets back they think he'll be a .275 hitter with 20-25 HRs a year, but we will continue to get Ks.  Didn't give a time table.  I think he wants to put no pressure on Alex to be ready by a certain date and to just let him mature as a player. 
  • He was asked if there would ever be a competitive balance in baseball?  No.  The Union is to powerful.  As long as teams have unlimited resources, it won't be balanced.  This is why it is so important to build up your system.  He talked about kids taking a sense of pride to make their program better and that's one of the things they are looking for.  He mentioned that we seem to be ahead of schedule because we now have LHPs to choose from, catchers to choose from, and speed that is starting to succeed.  We still have a long way to go as we need every position to have depth.  They want to have not one wave of talent, but a continuous flow of talent.  
  • Someone asked about moving ZG in the future.  He said that ZG covers a lot of holes on our team when he's on the mound and to move ZG, he would have to get back guys that covered those holes as well.  In the American League you have to have 1/2/3 types as starters to win, in the NL you can win with 3/4/5 guys.  We have to have 1/2/3 type guys.  I think ZG stays. 
  • Someone asked about Yunieski.  He explained Yuni is a guy that has always been told what to do and when to do it.  That was how he was raised in the dictatorship.  He said, they sat down with Yuni this offseason and gave him a schedule and dates.  He was in KC on 1/11 and in ARZ on 1/24 doing everything they asked.  But you have to ask him.  At this point, Dayton said that this is the first EVER player to just say yes sir and be there with no complaints.  Usually you get a call from the agent after the guy leaves trying to work on changing the schedule.  He said this has helped Yuni play better.  They still want more consistency from him, but he's getting better.  He has had some big hits to win ballgames and made some great defensive plays.  Then he referenced the previous night when Yuni made the error in the 9th and said we still have room to improve.
  • Someone later asked about if Kendall was just a patch as a free agent.  He said that Jason Kendall is more than that.  He is a guy that is addicted to baseball and they love that about him.  He's a terrific individual.  He loves his kids and takes care of them.  He comes to the ball park early to work.  He then said he's kind of a freak because of the position he plays and how his body handles it.  GMDM mentioned our catching prospects at that point as Wil Myers, Salvador Perez, and Manual Pina.  
  • Someone asked what Ned has done differently than Trey.  Ned has put more responsibility on his coaching staff.  They in turn, have given players more responsibility but also given permission to the players to pass the blame to the coaching staff if they fail.  The coaches will take that for them.  By Ned holding his coaches more accountable, things have improved.  It seemed as though Trey might have micro managed a little. 
  • He said that Farnsworth, Texiera, and Marte have really improved with the new system and it is allowing guys to stay in their spots in the pen.  That is why the pen is performing better now. 
  • Someone asked about trades.  He said this year there have been more conversations about guys.  He also thinks we are just a 6 game winning streak out of contending with the injuries that some of the other teams have had.  The ChiSox are an older club and July and August could be really though on them.  Twins and Tigers have had some injury issues as well.  He didn't seem to worried about he Indians...  And the attitude among the players and coaches right now is they know they are on the outside, but want to make something happen and make a run at getting back into it.  They know that it just takes a few injuries on another team to get back into it.  He made reference that we also have Kila and Alex in position to be called upon if we do have an injury..... take that for what it's worth.
  • Someone asked about whether or not he talked to players about Trey.  He said he will never give players a chance to complain about their boss.  Most good players hold themselves accountable as it is.
  • He's gotten some feedback from other organizations.  We now have a system in place that rivals the intensity, structure, effort, and mindset of the best organizations in the game. 
  • Someone asked if he likes to travel.  GMDM said that he goes as many places to watch our guys as he can but most of the time he stays near to the ballclub's base in KC. 
  • He said we are doing much better in Latin America and he's working on putting a structure into place for those guys.  They are usually the ones who are the highest maintenance because they are so far away from home.  They need the most support.
  • Someone asked about Colon being in KC next year.  He said they don't like to put limitations on players but he feels 2012 is his arrival.  Colon could potentially start in AA next year and move up but if he doesn't have a good transition and reach his goals on his development plan, he'll be in A+ again and the organization would be fine with that. 
  • He thought Colon might have been the most skilled baseball player in the draft.  He mentioned that 20 years ago most players where guys like Colon who just played hard and were players.  Now, we are in the age of statistics where every HS kid knows his batting average. 
  • He mentioned that the ASG is going to be a nightmare for the business department but a celebration for the baseball side.  He wants to be able to relax and enjoy baseball during that time.  He also hopes we have at least 3 players on the squad.
  • I asked him this:  "Aside from a change in personnel, what are the things the KC Royals have done to change the culture from a perennial losing team into a team headed in the right direction?"  He talked about personnel is the biggest thing you can do.  But aside from that we are trying to emphasize having a positive attitude and healthy mentality.  He talked about passion for the game and guys who want to win.  He talked about leadership from coaches and that being passed onto players.  He talked about guys taking pride in making it with Kansas City.  He referenced Moose getting thrown out of a game because something happened and Moose went out of his way to protect a teammate.  He said that is a mentality we need to develop, guys who will fight for their teammates and to win.  He also said they want people who treat other people fairly.  The entire time he answered my question he looked me in the eye.  I liked that and he seemed as though he was speaking only to me.  Not the group.  The biggest thing I took out of the question was this quote.  We need to prepare to win before we win. 
  • It was a great experience.  I'm very thankful that the Royals allowed us to come in and have an opportunity to see their stadium and meet their people.  I hope you enjoyed reading this.  I am a GMDM supporter, I think he has done a fantastic job so far.  As a head coach, I know how hard it is to get an organization turned around.  At the intensity and complexity of a MLB team, it will take some time.  Dayton was very glad to have us there and thanked us all for having been patient and hopes we will continue to support the team.

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    Awesome stuff writing this up

    Completely uninspiring with some of the guff he comes out with, but whatever. Jason Kendall loves his kids! Bless!

    by kcbottom9th on Jun 30, 2010 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

    yeah, good stuff

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Once he started talking about Jason Kendall I gave up

    He loves his kids is hilarious! As opposed to hating his kids like everyone else!

    by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 30, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thanks 306008

    that was a good read.

    Sure there was manager speak in there, he’s a manager, but I do like in the last year or so DM has actually started to place a time frame on “the Process”. I know that’s irrational, and it doesn’t mean it will work, but once I have a name, or amount, it just makes me feel better.

    I really like the individualized goals for each player, that can be changed, and adjusted as they go up or down in the organization. Very smart.

    Interesting take on Yuni. Maybe coaches, and agents need to treat different players, differently. I liked that.

    Given enough velocity even a pig will fly

    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    +1

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Bob McClure stared me down during Gil Meche's pre BP bullpen session.

    Perhaps because I was the only one near the bull pen and I was stationed directly over the bullpen catcher.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Really good stuff

    I tend to be an optimist, so I naturally enjoy hearing most of this. But this made me laugh: “He also thinks we are just a 6 game winning streak out of contending with the injuries that some of the other teams have had.”

    Unless you had a typo and he said “16 game winning streak,” I would say that was highly delusional.

    Thanks for typing this up, though! Interesting read.

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    by TangledUpInRoyalBlue on Jun 30, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

    If we were to go on a 6 game W streak and Minnesota went a 6 loss streak

    We’d be 4.0 games behind them. It’s a very optimistic point of view, but it’s not completely unreasonable. I appreciate that they think this way though, even though being a realist is better at times. I think as we get closer to the deadline, some viewpoints might change. He also might have told us what we “need” to hear.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, what's he supposed to say?

    “Well, there’s basically no way we get back in it unless we go on a crazy winning streak, so pretty much we’re going to pack it in.”

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Lol.

    Exactly. :)

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think the politically correct GM speak in that case would be:

    “We going to continue to make a push for this year. However, at the same time, we need to keep our options open and ensure that we work in our younger players. This will help up prepare for an even brighter 2011 season. And don’t worry, Jason Kendall will still be around loving baseball, providing mentoring via telepathy, and giving up less passed balls than Miguel Olivo in 2011.”

    Unless I'm wrong...
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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I like that, too, except if you hint that you're already looking toward 2011,

    then fans stop buying tickets for 2010

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Expensive Beer And

    The hot dog gun are the big draw now.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm not trying to justify his comments, just speculate at what might be behind them

    the “true” response would be like you said, but the “protect my job by not losing ticket revenue” might be more important.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    But seriously

    when I go to a game, 50-60% of my excitement is getting one of the footlong sheboygan sausages w/ the grilled peppers and onions

    by PopeSoria on Jun 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well

    we are used to the 6 game win streak followed by an 8 game losing streak thing. But real teams put 6 game win streaks in the middle of a 13 out of 18 stretch. with something like that we could join the pack…. catch them no, pass them no, but play along.

    ~~~if there is one thing i absolutely know for sure its... ummmm uhhh.... uhhh

    nevermind

    by who am i? on Jun 30, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Good read but...

    …you need to write to your audience. Try writing in basic next time. Ex: 1110 000 1010110 0011 0110 1010001 10001001.

    "This guy here is DEAD!"
    "Cross him OFF then!"

    by Casper01 on Jun 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

    You mean like this?
    01001100011001010111010000100111011100110010000001100111011011110010000001010010011011110111100101100001011011000111001100100001

    Translation

    Let’s go Royals!

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Hmmm...

    I’m not sure on the notation variety. I struggle to figure out numbers.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    COBOL And FORTRAN

    Were king when I was in banking. I hope they’re like Latin now.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Phil, is there anything you didn't do?

    You seem to have lead a very interesting life.

    by AxDxMx on Jun 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I Managed To

    Reach the age of 50 with no documentable skill other than picking up heavy objects here and moving them to there. Employers don’t care what you did in 1978 if it wasn’t earning a degree.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    COBOL is out

    Unless you are using a very old business system or have very specific needs. I took a COBOL class in college about 9 years ago, it was mostly obsolete then so I’m sure it is even more so now.

    by JSouth on Jun 30, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Fire Starter

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    WATFIV for Humans

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Actually

    That was on my wish list for Christmas this year

    by JSouth on Jun 30, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    maybe I should start an EBAY auction!

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Save all your old crap

    It might be tomorrow’s 1952 baseball cards. I’ve read that old Ataris are going for good prices (I still have mine in a closet somewhere), and a friend of mine who kept all his vinyl Van Halen and Rush albums in perfect condition sold the lot for a nice little sum. Geez, there’s even an AMC Gremlin club whose members will pay for used Gremlin parts.

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    by Juancho on Jul 4, 2010 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Good Riddance

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    i started with fortran on punch cards

    then cobol
    a few other proprietary tools
    then on to java…
    now working with C# & the other .NET tools
    seems like more of the work these days is in getting layers to talk to each other than actually writing programs like we used to.

    ~~~if there is one thing i absolutely know for sure its... ummmm uhhh.... uhhh

    nevermind

    by who am i? on Jun 30, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I had a class in basic in high school

    by the time I reached college, basic was completely obsolete, replaced by java

    Unless I'm wrong...
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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Intro to Computer Programming no doubt

    It’s an easy language to pick up quickly.

    by AxDxMx on Jun 30, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I dropped C++ twice

    I hated that class so much, and the teacher was completely useless. He refused to help you if you were struggling and when I went to the computer lab for help the people in there would basically say “What the hell is having you do that for” So yeah… Fuck Professor Strong.

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    by averagegatsby on Jun 30, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    C++ is

    painful. Add to that the fact that they teach you the syntax, blow your brains with pointers & IO, but never actually teach you how to USE an object you create

    ~~~if there is one thing i absolutely know for sure its... ummmm uhhh.... uhhh

    nevermind

    by who am i? on Jun 30, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, C++ is not easy to learn

    A K-State, they taught everything in Java as freshman and sophomores, then by your third year, they expected you to “know” how to program in C++ for some of the classes.

    The closest they came to a C++ intro class was an optional 1 hour class in C that was primarily for other types of engineers. I took it ahead of time, so I somewhat knew what I was walking in to, but it was still not fun having to pick it up on the fly.

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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    not obsolete at all

    in the .NET anyway. any other versions seem to be dead.

    ~~~if there is one thing i absolutely know for sure its... ummmm uhhh.... uhhh

    nevermind

    by who am i? on Jun 30, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It's probably a bit unfair to apply my armchair psychoanalysis,

    but this quote smacks of GMDM noting that Kila is performing well, then trying to take credit for it after the fact.

    more than 75% of the organization wanted to release Kila. He wanted to keep Kila so they moved him down a level, and let him get back on track.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

    Of course he would.

    Every GM wants the credit for developing players properly. And if 75% really did want Kila gone, well, the list is short for those who want to talk positive smack. – TL

    "Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

    by timlacy on Jun 30, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    GMDM, FYP
    Now, we are in the age of statistics where every HS kid knows his batting average OBP and OPS.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

    Kids These Days

    Know how to count and stuff; wild! Really wild! If they ever crack the long division code they’ll be totally out of control.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    What Are These

    Computers of which you speak? Are they as powerful as an abacus?

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    NO

    -General Tso

    (yes, that General who invented the Chicken!!!)

    Given enough velocity even a pig will fly

    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 30, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    They can be found in mothers’ basements everywhere! Spreading like the Black Plague!

    I thought my life as a fan peaked in October 1985. Then came Howard to Donovan to Altidore to Dempsey to Donovan to NET!

    by chiefstatnut on Jun 30, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    DM should go into politics

    Master of saying a lot of words and not saying one god damn thing.

    Killing time until time kills me

    by EspeciallyK on Jun 30, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions  

    its office politics

    He was so good at it Glass gave him an extension! WTF!

    by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 30, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Great post.

    My only snark is this: what possible objectives in Kila’s development plan has he not achieved? Hit .400? Hit a five run home run? Turn an unassisted triple play?

    by davekemp on Jun 30, 2010 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

    Hah!

    Has he really done this on his outs?

    "Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

    by timlacy on Jun 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No, That's The

    Royal organizational batting philosophy. Kila just doesn’t get it.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Poor Approach

    I'm not a sabermetrician, but I do play one at FanGraphs and Beyond the Box Score.

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    by Matt Klaassen on Jun 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I don't know Kila's PDP.

    But, maybe they just want more ABs for him? I don’ t know what the rationale is behind it. With Betemit breaking out, we might not get him consistent time at DH. We have Billy at 1B, JoGui in the OF to get another DH in there (and JoGui is hitting so we can’t argue that at the current time), and Betemit taking ABs at DH…

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Now, I'm not defending it

    I’d love to have Kila up. I’m just trying to look at it from a GM type of viewpoint.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I imagine the plan for moving a player up changes when it gets to the ML,

    where shaping the ML roster takes precedence. And as long as JoGui and Butler are around, there’s really no spot for Kila.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    as ridiculous as it is keeping JoGui around,

    big picture I agree.

    Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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    by Warden11 on Jun 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Betemit's a guy who they can have sit the bench for 9 days straight

    without caring about his development. For that, he makes more sense than Kila.

    However, Betemit’s not really the problem — Guillen is.

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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The 3-6-3 double play

    Must do that well if you’re going to be an adequate 1B in KC.

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    by cmkeller on Jun 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Don't Forget The

    3-1; Jakers pretty much set the standard for that.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thank you

    Very interesting…thanks for taking the time to type it all up and share!

    by cookierojas73 on Jun 30, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

    You're welcome

    That took much longer than I thought it would to type it all up. I almost broke it into two parts.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I got the same feeling from him when a friend and I snuck into the Season Ticket holder only section of FanFest.

    We sat in on his interview, and even though I was already waning on what I thought about the guy he is really good at getting you on his side (at least in person). He definitely seems like at the very least an intelligent and rational individual. Although his flat top is kind of douchy

    C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell

    by averagegatsby on Jun 30, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thanks for writing this up!

    I found it to be pretty interesting, although that 6-game winning streak thing did make my eyes pop out. Hey – I’d love to be wrong and for that to be true. I was under the assumption it would take a 3 way plane crash involving the Twins, Tigers and White Sox, but if a few key injuries and and 6 game win streak is all, that would be much better.

    I tend to be an optimist, too, so I’m happy to hear about what the plans are and have hope they will work out. I often feel like they are just flailing around at the ML level, which sucks, but if it’s so they can focus on rebuilding the organization and they actually are good at rebuilding the organization, then I guess I’ll just manage somehow.

    I’m gonna be really f***ing bitter (well, more bitter) if we’re still in this spot in a two years, though.

    by Gross(est) on Jun 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

    He did say that we have patches just to try to be competitive at the MLB level.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And it's good to have that acknowledged. It makes me feel better about their brains

    which therefore makes me feel better about “The Process.” I’m still not sure I’m buying it, but I’m hoping they are right, and I do have to say that what we keep hearing about NWA excites me.

    And I actually like the whole having everyone on their own goals and timelines. I think that’s the best way to manage people, to know their weaknesses and strengths and what they need to work on. Sometimes what they need to work on isn’t just their physical game. Just look at Ankiel. Maybe more time in the minors to mentally prepare him for the majors could have saved his pitching career. What they need to work on to be ML players may not always be obvious in the box score. I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one (as if I had a choice, but still).

    by Gross(est) on Jun 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I should mention that he pointed out it took the Yanks 7 years once they broke it down and started internally working on building

    So the timeline he gave us of 8-10 years is… conservative? He also said a lot of things have to come into place so that if someone fails, we have guys to pick him up that are behind him.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Thanks!

    As a wavering GMDM supporter, it’s nice to read something positive.

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    by timlacy on Jun 30, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

    Stay strong Tim.

    Stay strong. I’m willing to give him the rest of the process timeline. They have changed the culture in the minors and it’s up to the AA level.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    a different brand of yogurt

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    All of the pitchers are on Activia now

    Most regular rotation we’ve ever had in the minors

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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Colon as well

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    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Chnaging the mindset.

    Trying to have those kids take pride in making it with KC. Winning?

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm all for the winning mindset

    but it usually comes with actual talent, not gritty white guys that get by on hustle.

    I love what’s happening in the minors this year, but I just don’t trust DM. Too much “process” talk, not enough substance.

    by AxDxMx on Jun 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It's amazing how the Yankees always seem to having a winning mindset

    It’s almost like they think they have enough talent to win any game. I wonder why that is.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jedi mind tricks?

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Well

    I can tell you what its not.

    money

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 30, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Good stuff

    And thanks for the follow up on the catchers. He obviously was ignoring the number of SBs against

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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

    I imagine BPJ wouldn't be happy to not be mentioned

    as one of the catchers of the future.

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    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Do you really?

    I don't know where he'd get that impression.

    I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.

    by jonfmorse on Jul 1, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Agreed.

    He’s just been awful. And it’s been what, 3 seasons now, that we’ve given him a chance to prove himself?

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    by timlacy on Jun 30, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Plus the 2+ seasons with the Braves

    He was an interesting project at first, but it’s time to move him to the bullpen.

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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    No.

    Dayton talked for around 45 minutes. He was scheduled for 30 and stayed late to answer more questions.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it is kind of interesting that

    DM is essentially saying that because Betancourt grew up in a dictatorship, they decided to just tell him what to do to provide structure.

    So the worst case scenario there is that he snaps due to the pressure and rides a motorboat away from KC.

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    by BHWick on Jun 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    It is an international city

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

    So Betancourt

    would end up as shortstop for the T-Bones?

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    by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 5, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He'd Have To

    Walk to get there, so probably not.

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    by philofthenorth on Jul 5, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    If you're on the shore, then you're sure not me-o

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I forgot these things

    Gil Meche threw a pre-BP bullpen and looked okay.

    Luke Hochevar was throwing with ZG and looked fine. The trainer watched like a hawk the entire time.

    2nd rounder Brett Eibner was in the dugout before the Royals took BP. He seemed relieved, excited, and nervous. Seemed like kid who was either waiting for the fractured wrist to heal to take the physical and sign the deal, or they had an agreement already in place. Either way, he’ll be signed. Maybe they are also waiting on the commish?

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

    It Sounds Like

    Moore has learned more of the right things to say, and it even looks like he’s starting to act on some of it. I still think his learning curve has been very steep, and it will be interesting to see if he can hold onto his job long enough to complete the overhaul. At times he has seemed like a guy who’s dropping a new engine into a car that’s up on blocks and can’t wait to test drive it.

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    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

    and he can't decide between a 2005 Mustang and a 1987 IROC

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    by Matt Klaassen on Jun 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    Either Way, It's

    Getting a Hemi.

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    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

    doesn't trust the new-fangled hybrids

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    NEVER

    put a Hemi in anything but a MOPAR.

    It’s like placing your 4 year old in a playpen with over 4 year old…alligators.

    Sure it’s entertaining for the novelty factor, but we all know its not going to end well.

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 30, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That's The Joke

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hahahahah.............

    can’t understand humor over interwebs

    that is classic

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 30, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It wouldn't be as bad

    as putting a 402 in a Pontiac Fiero.

    I think pieces of that transmission are still falling from orbit.

    I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.

    by jonfmorse on Jul 1, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Chen and Lerew have done a very good job of stepping in and filling for injuries. This shows that we are starting to get some depth at our MiLB levels. Last year that did not happen. Once we had injuries, we were no longer competitive.

    Honestly, this is complete bunk. Chen was around last year, after all, and Lerew has made three starts. I think it’s a little early to start praising him for stabilizing the rotation. We had random retreads with no future around before, ala Sir Sidney, and I just don’t buy that these AAA pitchers are actually minor league depth.

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    That may be

    But he is acknowledging that they are NOT MLB pitchers and that they may just be pitching above their ability and they should be in AAA….

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

    true enough

    but when I see him talking about the INJURIES again, I get bitchy

    a larger issue is that Chen/Lerew isn’t a huge downgrade after Meche/Hochevar, but that would be impolite to mention

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Will

    Please tell me that you mean Meche/Davies and you’re not lumping Hochaver in with those mutts.

    Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!

    by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 30, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He's probably the Royals most underrated pitcher

    You have to look beyond the bad ERA. Look at his FIP and tERA. Not good, but not awful either. Of course that doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be non-tendered this winter.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    what arb year is he at?

    I feel like he’s been around forever

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I can't answer to any of that right now

    but all I know is that he’ll be cruising along for 2 maybe 3 innings and it’s freaking Home Run Derby. I hate him. Last year I was at the game where he got destroyed by the Cardinals. I had spent the whole drive up there excited about sticking to a NL team and rubbing that in to the 4 Card’s fans in te car with me. Longest effing ride home from KC ever…

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    by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    2011 will be his third and final arb year

    At $1.8M this year, he was a bargain. He might not be next year.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Just to be clear, he was and continues to be a bargain this year

    So far by FIP, he has a 0.7 WAR this season, worth $3M. By tRA, he has a 1.1 WAR worth over $4M. I’m sorry he ruined your drive home, but he’s more than earned his salary this year and will likely continue to do so.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You're right NY

    We just want him to get better than that. : ) I want 2.5 WAR the rest of the year.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I still think he's a long reliever

    He can’t get through the lineup more than once. Give him a chance to do something he can truly succeed at. He can get six or seven guys, but not 18 or 21.

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    by Juancho on Jul 4, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

    Davies: 5.32 xFIP

    ugly

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    by Matt Klaassen on Jun 30, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You and your made-up stats

    xFIP should, of course be included in the analysis along with FIP and tRA/tERA. I would say that the entire picture is mixed, but not awful.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I'm interested to see if his tERA/tRA keeps going up

    it was good there for a while, and is still decent, but it’s been on the rise.

    He’s been lucky on HRs this year, which was also the case in 2008.

    Pitching could be really ugly next season unless Meche makes a miracle recovery/comeback.

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    by Matt Klaassen on Jun 30, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    and the culture is changing.

    Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.

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    by Warden11 on Jun 30, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    New Petri Dish?

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    ah...

    selecting for the extremephile——— TPJ II———-extremely bad at baseball

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    by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jun 30, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Davies' line drive rate is pretty fluky too, which explains the tERA

    It is currently 14.9%, his career LD rate is 20.2%, and while LD rate is notoriously unstable, virtually all starters regress to somewhere in the 17% to 23% range.

    He might be ~1.0 WAR pitcher as a starter, which has some value, but a team should be able to find 1.0 WAR starters on the scrap heap for closer to the league minimum. I still think he could take off as a reliever where his poor control would be less of an issue and he should gain some velocity.

    by Gopherballs on Jun 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Maybe you forgot...

    we will still have the most interesting man in the world baseball…

    Bruce Chen

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

    great stuff, thanks

    Must say my favorite thing is his insistence that players need to go one level at a time + talking about how how Gordon won’t be up soon ‘causr hebshouldn’t be rushed.

    Yes, Alex Gordon is great example of taking it one level at a time and not rushing a player’s timetable.

    I just wish we could have heard the story about how{everyone in the organization thought Aviles should have been buried by Dayton said "no, let’s give him a chance, we’re nit\oing to stick ourselves with waiver bait to run out there every day ni matter how bad they suck and block this guy.

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    mobile posting for teh win

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    by Matt Klaassen on Jun 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

    I thought it was the coffee

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    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    A Deadly Combo

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Didn't He Leave

    Mike off the 40-man after the 2007 season?

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Oh man....

    Guess I’ll have to relinquish my presidency of the DM Fan Club. I thought my willingness to give him a ‘wait and see’ for another year or two made me his #1 fan…..guess not. 306008, here are the keys. Take good care of her.

    by kcdc1 on Jun 30, 2010 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

    If 30608 is driving, you can still ride shotgun.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    For whatever reason, Dayton on the bullpen stuff bugs me

    and it was pretty much the same thing with Split and Ryan last night:

    He said that Farnsworth, Texiera, and Marte have really improved with the new system and it is allowing guys to stay in their spots in the pen. That is why the pen is performing better now.

    Most of the problems earlier in the year were because of the complete garbage that was in the pen: Rupe, Thompson, Mendoza, Bullington, Cruz, Colon.

    The problems weren’t because those guys didn’t know their roles, it was that 1/2 of the pen was made up of guys who weren’t major league quality pitchers. Replace the terrible pitchers + have Tejeda reemerge, and suddenly the problem goes away.

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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

    This Had Nothing

    To do with it.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not to mention the fact

    that any of Farnsworth, Texiera, and Marte could be pulling the classic “look good in a small sample and trick people into thinking you are good before regressing to mediocrity or worse” ala Jamie Wright and others. I’m pretty sure Rupe pulled this briefly this year actually.

    by PopeSoria on Jun 30, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Very Briefly

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    True

    just not sure we are out of the woods yet where we can go ahead and count on those guys to be good going forward. Hopefully they are good, but we’ve been burned before. Another example would be when Roman Colon wormed his way into the setup man role somehow (again very briefly)

    by PopeSoria on Jun 30, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Wood Has Been

    Pitching to contact. Way too much contact. His K/9 is a ridiculous 3.3. I don’t get Wood from that; not even a warm fuzzy.

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    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Thanks for making all of my co-workers glare at me in confusion.

    Random outbursts of laughter are the best kind of laughter.

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    - P. Earth explodes

    by JobDDT on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

    seriously

    apparently we have Wood on the Jimmy Gobble career path

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Maybe he's just Mike Wood

    with a really bad red Amish beard.

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    by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yea and this probably helped too, probably

    Tejeda first 10 games: 12.96 ERA
    Since: 0.90 ERA

    credit Yost for establishing roles

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Nice

    or, “In Communist Cuba, ball fields you!”

    That might expalin his feilding difficulties in the USA.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Being too assertive with fielding opportunities

    is frowned upon by the politburo—a good Communist will wait for direction from the state about how balls in play are supposed be divided among all the fielders. Seizing too many opportunities on your own initiative smacks of something a capitalist pig would do.

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    WWFLD?

    what would fearless leader do?

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    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yes

    the idea that the SS is the captain of the infield is an imperialist concept, yuni was raised to consider the SS as just a 1B who happened to play in a different place

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    he is confused as to

    why there is not a volleyball-like rotation each inning for the fielding positions.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

    He said, in a very polite way, that Toronto and Colorado are among the league leaders in bases allowed from their catchers. I looked this up as best I could. John Buck has 1 PB, Toronto has 3 PBs as a team, and has allowed 35 WPs for a grand total of 39 free bases from catchers

    Does this factor stolen bases allowed?

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    by JobDDT on Jun 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

    No

    Because that would make Kendall look very bad indeed. Kendall has allowed 62. Buck 29 and Miggy 17

    by kcbottom9th on Jun 30, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    didn't we have an option on Olivo too?

    Or was it mutual? This would be a lot better team with one of those two guys still around…

    by sfeldkamp on Jun 30, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I thought it was mutual.

    And he opted out?

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it probably looks slightly better

    when you take into account kendall’s absurd level of playing time.

    by 9il on Jun 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And Not Just

    CF!

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    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    hahahahahaha

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    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    second base is just the cutoff man

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    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    HE LOVES HIS KIDS, DAMMIT.

    LEAVE HIM ALONE!

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    by JobDDT on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not really sure how showing up for the ballpark early everyday

    is him taking such great care of his kids.

    And not sure what him taking great care of his kids has to do with being a Major League catcher. I mean, good for him and good for them, especially since their mom seems to be an even bigger train wreck than he is, but why does DM think I would care about this when evaluating him as a catcher?

    by Gross(est) on Jun 30, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I thought he took a bunch of speed and allegedly abused his wife

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    by Juancho on Jul 4, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

    At the very least

    he cherry picks ones that are most beneficial (or that he BELIEVES are most beneficial) to whatever conclusion he wants you to agree with.

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it's a bad way of using data

    instead of looking at the information to drive decisions going forward, he’s just citing random stuff to justify the past

    trust the process

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, this

    The only time I’ve heard his comments about stats usage are when he wants to apply them as some sort of retroactive justification for a certain player acquisition or move.

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And even when he does this, his ignorance of stats is revealed because he usually uses a small sample of a meaningless stat in the wrong way.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    there's no need to get all fired up with another anti-GMDM discussion

    (I tell myself)

    but more than anything else, Moore reminds me of a generic TV crew guy when he says stuff like this. stats are generally bad and not to be trusted and the stats he does cite are the absolutely most pointless ones, with tiny samples… like how your local broadcaster will ALWAYS tell you that Player X is 2-7 lifetime against Player Y and that he is a career .277 hitter against Team A

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Even Discounting SSS

    I never understood what the significance of a batter’s AVG vs a team, as though their pitching staff is some unchanging monolith.

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    by philofthenorth on Jun 30, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    they hit better against certain uniform colors

    and patterns

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yeah, i was just being sarcastic, but now i remember that there actually is a rule about what

    a pitcher can wear under his uniform, like his long sleeves and the different colors and maybe patterns

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 1, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    GMDM must love James Brown

    The Hardest Working Man in Show Business!!!!!

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I keep thinking of stuff.

    He said that Blake Wood was the only player in our MiLB pitching system who challenged for a MLB sport on the roster this year.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

    I might be missing something

    but what does that mean?

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think he’s saying that Wood was the only minor league pitcher who looked good enough in spring training to seriously challenge for a spot on the 25-man roster coming out of ST.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

    So the buzz about Crow

    was completely media-created speculation??

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think that's what he's saying

    And, FWIW, I don’t think Moore was ever seriously considering taking Crow to KC before a significant stint in NWA at the least.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not so good

    Certainly showing that he’s not MLB-ready. Bad ERA. Not a ton of K’s. Too many BB’s. He is getting a lot of groudballs though. He clearly has things to work on (like all of his secondary pitches).

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    all of that, and he's given up a surprisingly large number of HR

    maybe a fluke considering the GB success, but still not a good sign.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 30, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Not well, last I checked

    And an overly-positive evaluation of Crow during ST would seem to jibe with Dayton’s complete and utter miscalculation with 90% of the bullpen arms that this team started the 2010 season with.

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    thank you

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Also,
    And the attitude among the players and coaches right now is they know they are on the outside, but want to make something happen and make a run at getting back into it. They know that it just takes a few injuries on another team to get back into it.

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOUR 2010 KANSAS CITY ROYALS: HOPE THE OTHER GUYS GET HURT!

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    by JobDDT on Jun 30, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

    Like in basketball..

    and hoping that the starters get into foul trouble, then you can make your run!

    by stlJeff on Jun 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That wasn't the context or point of his statement

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You just have to visualize it

    Dayton: All right, team, I’m not gonna lie to you. There’s a good chance you can beat them. But you gotta visualize how you’re gonna win, okay?
    Team: Gotcha.
               [dreams on about his victory]
    Announcer: A congenital heart defect has apparently felled the rest of the AL Central moments before they could begin the second half of the season.

    Unless I'm wrong...
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    by Top Ramen on Jun 30, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    like in the Music Man

    it’s the Think System

    "Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

    by buddyball on Jun 30, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

    +1

    for the musical theater reference.

    by Gross(est) on Jun 30, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It seems like just about every year I hear/read the Royals GM or manager (or both) talk about how the culture and mindset has changed

    “We had a losing mindset in past seasons. But this has changed. We really think we can win games now.”

    “Last year, we would have lost this kind of game. But this year, we know we can win.”

    “There’s a different attitude in the clubhouse this year. We feel like we can compete with anybody.”

    It seems like every year they talk about how the mindset sucked last year and that everyone thought they’d lose every game. But in the current year all that has changed.

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    by Scott McKinney on Jun 30, 2010 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

    I really felt like there was genuine hope after the 2008 season.

    I loved the bullpen first mentality we had built and it was the second most pleasant season I could remember watching/listening to as a fan (I’m 21). That isn’t really saying much, but I felt like we didn’t embarrass ourselves as much as we had in prior years. In retrospect, 2008 is probably my second favorite year as an active fan of the Royals.

    Of course, that “bullpen first” mentality didn’t last long as Nunez and RamRam were immediately traded for garbage, but the last time I legitimately felt hope watching these guys was 2008. I have hope this season due to the success of our minor leaguers, but the big league team? Don’t make me laugh, Dayton.

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    by JobDDT on Jun 30, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

    That was back when many of us, me included, thought Moore knew pitching

    we made huge strides in those first two years, replacing one of the worst staffs of all time with a mediocre one, thanks in part to an actually GOOD bullpen.

    we’ve been backsliding ever since

    by Freneau on Jun 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I liked 2003

    because it came out of nowhere. Then we went and got a bunch of over the hill post steroid latin guys to occupy our DL and ruin the chemistry from the previous year. Not sure how we didn’t retain Ibanez when Beltran decided to stay another year. But I guess the Astros can thank us for their playoff run by bringing in Juan Gonzales to improve Beltran’s pitch recognition.

    Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!

    by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 30, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I just signed a 3 year deal

    with a mutual option as a 4th year. I plan on playing DH when I want and then just maybe catching a couple of innings on Kendall’s off days, because I love my kids too.

    Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!

    by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 30, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

    Do your love your wife?

    That’s not gritty, as J-Dog shows.

    by kcbottom9th on Jun 30, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Eh...

    she’s ok!

    Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!

    by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

    nice job my man

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    by doublestix on Jun 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

    Also awesome: Buck wanted to test free agency

    Yeah, the Royals wanted to bring him back, but Buck really

    took his time and sorted through a number of offers from numerous teams

    that were

    more than the Royals were willing to spend on a catcher

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    by Matt Klaassen on Jun 30, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

    Good stuff

    Thanks for the write up. Unfortunately, aside from a few informational nuggets (like Colon’s assignment, and the offer to Buck), Moore mostly talks in generic GM speak and does nothing to counter the impression that he is one of the least capable GMs in baseball.

    by Gopherballs on Jun 30, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

    Great write up & interesting tip about Yuni

    Question, Has anyone just told Yuni to eat a freaking salad every once in a while?

    by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 30, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

    Hmmm....

    That blasted American fast food.

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    by 306008 on Jun 30, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Apparently

    when it comes to Cuba and food, the issue isn’t quality/nutrition so much as it is adequate quantities. I would imagine since Yuni has been been the U.S., it has been pretty difficult to stop himself from eating as much as he could. It’s probably tough to put down the fork when you spent the first half of your life in food lines.

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    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 30, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Salads are considered effeminate in many Latin countries.

    As is taking walks.

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    by JobDDT on Jun 30, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Walks = no huevos

    No huevos = no rancheros

    No rancheros = thinner Yuni

    Ergo, vis-a-vi Yuni should take more walks

    by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jul 1, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Someone needs to tell him, not ask him to end the Davies Bannister experiments

    Throw them in the bullpen or DFA them. That’s it. They suck

    2011 rotation:

    Greinke
    Hochevar
    Meche
    Chen
    Montgomery

    by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 30, 2010 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

    I'm always the optimist

    but I really believe that we are going to be good in a couple years. It feels like I’ve been saying this for way too long but I do agree with him that it takes a long time to build up a system and an organization. If we quit on this regime now then we just start all over again and won’t ever know if this would’ve worked.

    If all of the guys in Moustakas’s and Hosmer’s class aren’t making it in a couple years then we know he failed, but until they should realistically be up here, I think fans should realize we have to just grin and bare it.

    This isn’t the NFL, this isn’t the NBA, Kevin Durant is not going to pop out of a draft and suddenly bring us to contention. Hopefully DM can start to make better MLB moves but it really does come down to the homegrown players in a market like ours.

    by I need more Esteban on Jun 30, 2010 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

    very true

    but not new to baseball. One of DM’s next huge moves is how he handles Greinke. Does he convince him to stay? Does he get a great Beckett or C.C. like return for him? Or does he F it up and get nothing like Allard Baird did so often? Time will tell.

    by I need more Esteban on Jun 30, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes exactly!

    Fuck, you can’t get on this damn site without getting a sarcastic remark when someone tries to actually say something positive.

    And sorry in advance because it isn’t only you but it’s half the reason I hardly ever comment anymore (waiting for the usual, “well don’t comment then”)

    Anyways, I’ll explain myself then if I wasn’t clear.

    Certainly, if he is fired we will have all of our farm system still but then we will get a whole new regime who didn’t draft any of these guys and probably will want to get their own guys. They’ll draft the players that “fit their system” which is a pretty standard thing for baseball people. Now this may not be that much of a problem, I’m only speculating obviously.

    But what will be most troublesome is if he is fired and then a lot of these guys come up and are really good players. Then he was fired and you’re left wondering what more he could’ve done. I just think if your going to do something, go all out. Only giving a GM 4 years to build something isn’t giving it a chance or going all out. He may not succeed and a lot of people have already concluded that he won’t, but I’d at least like to be fully convinced that they can’t succeed and not be left wondering if he was fired too soon.

    Again, sorry for jumping on you. Would just rather you give me reasons you disagree with me then then sarcasm font.

    by I need more Esteban on Jun 30, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think the reason most of us disagree has been well covered on this site.

    DM has shown incompetence at the MLB level. He has shown a good strategy in the draft that is seemingly paying dividends, but what happens when these guys get to MLB? Does he trade another RamRam for Coco Crisp or Nunez for Mike Jacobs? Admittedly DM shows a preference for “his” guys, but will that come back to bite him in the ass when he should have dumped them at their peak value? I understand how you can be blinded by the farm system, but all I see is a GM that had an owner talked into spending money in the draft on guys that fell because of signability concerns, then paid them overslot to sign. The draft is broken when a team won’t take the best player available, and DM used that to his advantage. Unfortunately, it seems to be the only thing he’s good at.

    2nd, look at what happened to the Rays after they fired the guy that drafted all their talent. Not saying that would happen here, just saying you don’t necessarily have to start all over. DM does have a good foundation in the minors. I just don’t think he’ll ever be capable of making the moves at the MLB level to make the Royals successful (success = playoffs once every 2 years and contending almost every other year for me).

    And finally, I don’t take offense to your comment. I know we are knee jerk reaction snarky around here, but what did you honestly expect when you said the Royals would have to “just start all over again” if they fire DM? I honestly hope you’re right, because unless he falls flat on his face over the next 2 years, he’s gonna be here for a while yet, and I’d rather be wrong and happy, than right and miserable.

    by AxDxMx on Jun 30, 2010 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

    The Rays is a nice example

    and one I like to hear. Did not realize they fired the guy who drafted a lot of their young talent.

    DM has shown incompetence at the MLB level. He has shown a good strategy in the draft that is seemingly paying dividends, but what happens when these guys get to MLB?

    You’re right, I even talked about it down below with someone else. But my whole thing is there are still questions ask, what happens when these guys get to MLB? I’d like to find out, that’s just me.

    Thanks for responding, though.

    by I need more Esteban on Jul 1, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I think the reason it goes negative here so quickly is that we're all just rehashing old talking points

    I don’t feel like typing it out so I make a reference to it with something sarcastic. I used to be overly optimistic about the Royals, and I’m a pessimist by nature. Somehow I’d put a block on the negativity for the Royals every year until my wife pointed out that I’m a pessimist about everything except the Royals. That’s when I knew I had crossed the line into crazy. From that point forward I’ve been a lot more skeptical, and I haven’t had any reason to be dissuaded from that viewpoint at the MLB level. I’m very excited about our prospects though.

    by AxDxMx on Jul 1, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Personally I'm fine with "The Process"

    as defined by taking a completely empty minor league and weak scouting etc into an actual supply line. I have patience for that.

    I’ll give benefit of the doubt on Guillen as the only “power bat” that would sign here, and even kendall (gag) as a way to help the pitchers become more confident “throwing any pitch”.

    But please, please, explain Puds, Davies (still starting), Bloomy EVER starting (sure great asset on the bench, he can PR and babysit any position without shifting 4 others around), EVER using Guillen in the OF let alone in american league games, Aviles NOT being in the lineup daily…..

    ~~~if there is one thing i absolutely know for sure its... ummmm uhhh.... uhhh

    nevermind

    by who am i? on Jun 30, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

    yeah

    many moves at the major league level have been very questionable. It has led to many of the problems fans have with him. The worst one for me is Nunez for Jacobs. I can handle CoCo for RamRam but acquiring Jacobs was horrible.

    by I need more Esteban on Jun 30, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

    can't disagree with anything that's been said

    he HAS to get better at finding productive players at the MLB level and putting together a team that fits…i expected the minor league system to be ranked higher than it is by this point…all that being said, i think it’s too early to make a call on him, but the clock is starting to tick…the talent from the minors needs to start coming up and producing real soon…one of the best things he said was that he wants a steady flow of talent, instead of one “wave”…one of my biggest concerns from the recent draft was the lack of upside players.

    BOOM YOSTED!

    by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 1, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

    From going through the draft again

    I think we have enough “upside” guys. They just aren’t the really flashy guys. If we get a few guys out of this draft on our MLB roster in the long run, it was a good draft. It just wasn’t the Melvilles/Lambs/Dwyers/Myers type of upside guys. But perhaps they weren’t there this year. Or not a guy the Royals wanted to take a chance on this year.

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    by 306008 on Jul 1, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

    I love how we're

    the 2010 Royals tracking the mid 90’s to mid 00’s Braves tracking the 1980’s Royals.

    Thats about all you need to know about this team.

    by wildthang on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions  

    The Hand Drawing

    The hand that’s drawing the hand.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jul 1, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Good stuff on this

    Thanks for writing up.

    My question, though, probably would have had something to do with plus hands.

    I once had hope...now I have Moore.

    by Dubya on Jul 1, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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