Royals have made pre-draft agreement with Grandal; will select him fourth overall
Royals have made a pre-draft agreement with University of Miami catcher Yasmani Grandal and will select him as the fourth overall pick on Monday. Details of the contract will likely be unknown until after the draft has taken place.
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sounds great
definitely prefer Grandal over Sale or Pomeranz
Agreed
If Machado were to slide to #4, I’d be thrilled, but I like a lot of what I’ve heard about Grandal…and if this rumor is true, then with Grandal, Myers, and Pina, the catcher position will have gone from a serious liability in our farm system to a visible strength.
don't forget Salvador Perez
advanced defender with good numbers this year at Wilmington. he’s in my top 20.
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There's also the Korean kid (whose name escapes me)
that they paid a lot of money for. He should be showing up later this summer.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 5, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
if we've got a predraft deal, that is great
get him signed and he can half a season at bats at LowA or HighA.
Ummm.... Grandal's going straight to AA
He has to learn what a championship team is all about!
Seriously though, I love this pick.
I'm against the pick but if it is done at slot or below I can live with it
hopefully he does well
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I think he's asking for $6MM
It won’t be done at slot, much less below.
Well then this is idiotic
one season of good hitting at the sacrifice of his defense doesn’t make sense
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Yeah good news
I was afraid they’d reach for sale… Quick rising catcher with a defensive prowess and obp skills. Does this mean they might move Myers to the outfield? Shortening his eta to the bigs? It seems his bat will move him quickly thru the system, and without the burden of learning how to catch and handle pitchers, it seems this might accelerate his rise thru the minors…
reach for sale
Sale was the Cape Cod player of the season and a Top 10 talent to start the season if anyone is the reach it’s Grandal
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KLaw just ranked Sale somewhere in the 40s for overall prospect talent
I haven’t seen him in the top ten in any listing, while Grandal is always in the top ten or 15 prospects. So, if their analysis is right (and I tend to trust KLaw), then Sale would be a reach for sure.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 5, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
That's one guy
nearly everyone else has Sale ranked higher than Grandal. Law is good but often he can pick a guy and rank them differently than everyone else based off his speculation. He’s scared of Sales possibility of injury
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I do think that it means Myers is moving to the outfield if this kid hits
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
Damn
It’s not that I dislike Grandal, but I don’t see a lot of separation at catcher. Is Gibbs, for instance, a huge step down?
Any chance we can have Mike Tice run the draft for the Orioles this year? As long as we’re ready with the card, maybe we could steal Machado or Taillon.
no and neither is the kid from Minnesota
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That's my concern with taking a catcher in the first round
Usually they don’t stick at catcher if they even make the majors (see Maier, Mitch, and Werth, Jayson, for examples). We’re just stocked on pitchers and especially lefty pitchers, so I don’t know if I would go with yet another pitcher. We could draft an OF bat like Choice or Sale, but, as Rany said, the only choices that are very clear are the top 3. For the Royals, it’s a pool of randomness. They could go with anything as there are no real standouts, from what I’ve seen.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 5, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
If you avoid drafting catchers because they tend to move off the position, then where are the catchers in your system going to come from?
I just mean that it's a reason that people say not to draft catchers in the first round
You’re taking a huge chance. My point is that you’re taking a huge chance on a catcher in the first round, even if you need a strong catcher in the system, when you might be able to draft a solid catcher in the second round and get another good player in the first. To be fair, I wanted Grandal to be the pick. I’m just airing my concerns about such a choice.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 5, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Jayson Werth is way better than any position player on the Royals, and we should be thrilled if Hosmer and/or Moustakas are ever as valuable in KC as Werth has been at his peak in PHI (yes, I know his developmental road was weird… but Werth is really damn good).
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 5, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Very true
If Grandal came out in KC as the type of player Werth is, I’d be plenty happy with that.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 5, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Myers, for that matter
since it sounds like he’s less likely to be catcher long-term from people I’ve talked to.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 5, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You have to be encouraged by Myers's numbers in low A.
Much better than Moose or Hos and showing patience and power. Put him CF and who is he comparable to? Could be a VERY special player, even better than Werth.
yeah, obviously
I may have gone a bit overboard on Werth, I meant his current peak — a 5 win player is nothing to sneeze at.
A lot can happen over the next few years with Myers. Hopefully the club will make a smart decision about bat vs. glove rather than jerking him around and holding him back. Given that Dayton Moore drafted him, that’s unlikely.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 5, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
this is awesome news
i was going to make my love for Grandal known tomorrow in the minor league ball mock draft. this is a good spot too.
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considering how the organization handles pitchers
we could never have enough pitchers
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I had moved over to the Colon camp but this news really excites me.
It means two things.
1.) The Royals are sold on the guy. Given the current regimes draft record that is a good thing.
2.) He wants to get his career started. That is also exciting. I like the fact that a player is willing get negotiations over so that he can go out and start his career. Could mean he is a hard worker.
I would be shocked if he sisgns for slot money
And if he hasn’t, he won’t be playing baseball until the middle of August, because Bud will simply not sign it off until the deadline day.
I think it was Law who cited a rumor
that Grandal was looking for “Buster Posey money.” So regardless of how he pans out, at least we know that Glass is no longer shy about having his GM pick guys who want a ton of cash.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jun 5, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he won't/hasn't signed for slot money
But I can’t imagine the Royals have caved to Buster Posey money before the draft even happens.
I don't think there is anyway he signs over slot
if GMDM is that bad of a negotiator to know in a draft that supposedly the talent is the same from 4-20 to take a guy and negotiate an over slot deal prior to the draft would be absolutely idiotic.
So GMDM is probably paying him Hosmer money
The only thing that intrigues me in this whole deal is that if this is a slot deal or below then who will be the big money move? International or Later rounds a HS that dropped.
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Machado is probably a Pirate
after Pomeranz was less than stellar in the first round 7 IP 7 H 2 ER 5 K 3 BB against St Johns
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Matters where Grandal starts the season
but probably. Myers bat is just too good to let his defensive position dwarf it. He’s hitting quite a bit better than Hosmer or Moustakas did at Burlington and his defense still isn’t the best with 12 passed balls in 37 games. The team could move him to a corner OF spot where the minor league system is very weak also. When I saw him at Burlington I didn’t see the foot speed of a centerfielder but that was just one game.
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I like this chioce AS LONG AS one of the BIG 3 doesn't slip.
If Taillion/Machado is there, I will be probably a little upset if we pass on them.
However, I DVR’d the Miami game yesterday so I’ll watch him a little later today.
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He went 0-2 with 3 BBs
The same guy said the deal was off if Machado slips
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I'd like to watch the defensive part of his game too.
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So thinking about this pick
I would really prefer to get one of the BIG 3 and draft the MN catcher in the 2nd round. Of course, we show a propensity to go with the high upside HS pitchers in the early rounds outside of last year.
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I think we all would.
Machado and Gibbs? That’s the start of a great draft.
I would die of joy if that happened.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be ideal
This organization needsmore advanced bats in the system
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
Good!
I like this a lot actually.
This prevents a Brian McCann at 36 signing.
Win.
Actually, Grandal may not be in AA long, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in Omaha before long.
Hope you're right
but I don’t think so. It would be hard for me to believe that he’s more ready than Moose.
Tony Sanchez last years #4 pick
is still in High A so I think you’re a bit ahead of yourself. Posey and Wieters were quick movers because of their bats and Grandal’s bat isn’t as good as either.
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He had a great year
he must have learned something hitting for Team USA during the summer when he clipped a .182 BA
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I did read something that said he went from a dead pull hitter in the past
to an all fields approach this year. That would probably explain a good chunk of it.
I'm Debbie Downer on this but Grandal's great season is weighted in my eyes by some subpar performances
’08 .234/.358/.452 7 HR
’08 .279/.389/.377 1 HR Cape Cod LG 20gms
’09 .299/.414/.599 16 HR
’09 .182/.291/.318 3 HR Team USA 19 gms lowest on the team
2010 .418/.546/.746 14 HR
He was great this season but I just can’t look past the trouble before hopefully he has found something but I’m not overly optimistic. I wouldn’t have been excited with the Sanchez pick last season
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posey also wasnt great prior to his junior season where he exploded
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by billybeingbilly on Jun 5, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He was far better
In the same conference. Far higher AVG, far higher OBP
Nobody like batting average, but against the mid week dross that most programs throw on the mound you really should be hitting .300+ if you a real standout prospect.
Posey did it it easily his whole college career. Wieters likewise. Grandal didn’t until this year.
Really?
Frosh .346/.433/467
So. .382/.453/.520
And he was playing SS, his JR numbers dwarf Grandal
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Posey is playing 1b
so what the hell are your guys comparing them for?
by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 6, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
there's no power there at all....
and then he exploded with the power his junior year
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by billybeingbilly on Jun 6, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But everything else was there
With Grandal everything has all come along at once.
I think he has “helium bubble” written all over him. And bubbles normally burst.
this'd be an interesting thing to look at....
the success rate of guys who jumped based on crazy senior years in HS or Jr years in college
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by billybeingbilly on Jun 6, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Grandal
he will get moved up because of his glove.
he’s an excellent catcher.
the bat will come around.
What about this awful pop time
I have read he has?
No good having a great arm if it takes you an hour to deploy it.
pop time
sure.
I understand, he’s still a bit raw, but the Royals can’t pass up a catcher with his talent level.
I’ve seen him play and at times he looks like a pro, and other times, he looks like a prospect.
I expect that if this deal goes through and the Royals select him, he will go to AA for a month or so, but I strongly believe in this kid, and think he will be fast-tracked.
I'll bet you he doesn't start at AA
Name the stakes.
Wieters and Posey didn’t start in AA this kid isn’t that advanced if he was he wouldn’t have struggled for 2 yrs in college and in the Cape and for Team USA.
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Weiters and Posey didnt have GMDM trying to beat Omar in "The Contest" with their pick moving faster....
…what’s that? You had forgotten about Omar? :)
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"The Contest"
Is Dayton still “master of his domain”?
Seriously though, I bet Grandal starts wherever Hosmer is at.
Hosmer also a Cuban American
That would be a nice connection to Grandal…of course Grandal lived in Cuba til he was 9
here is the interview I did with him about a month ago
http://royalsprospects.com/?p=1733
I think cll the credit for the Cuban connection has to go to Brayan Pena
The Ss whose name I can’t remember, Arguelles, Hosmer, now Grandal, and, of course, Yunineifi Berroancourt, Jr.
That’s probably why he doesn’t get much playing time — too many diplomatic responsibilities.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 5, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Brayan is too busy engineering defections to play more than once every 2 weeks
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Hosmer doesn't sound Cuban.
But I guess neither does Mike Lowell
Hard to believe
But the Royals are actually in a postion that they don’t need to fast track him. No reasons to worry about your starting catcher until 2012. Sorry, but Kendall’s the starter this year and next. No matter how good Grandal is now, Pina’s developmentally ahead of him and can likely ride the bench the 12 games or so Kendall won’t start next year if they get rid of Pena, or be the starter in Omaha if they don’t. There’s just no reason to rush Grandal and start his clock. Let him play at Wilmington, where a lot of the hopeful next generation starting pitchers are or will be by the end of this year (Dwyer, Lamb, and Melville now, Arguellas and possibly some Burlington arms like Hayenga or Sample). That starts him in AA next year and up with the big squad in the first 2 months of 2012.
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by CentralChamps20?? on Jun 5, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't getting him here in 2012 be fast tracking?
Two years in the minors IF he gets signed right away?
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He's a college guy, so that's age 24
2 years isn’t a fast track out of college. That’s sort of average for top picks isn’t it?
But he's 20 now
So he’d be 22. Not bad. But still fast.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 6, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe KC will start Grandal at Idaho Falls
For my thoughts, Grandal will begin with the Chukars because
1. Perez is doing very well with the Blue Rocks. I don’t see that KC would risk not playing him full time and have him sit. Neither players is ready for AA The jump for college player to AA is almost unheard of. Most draft picks (even top ones) go to either Short Season/Rookie or Low A.
2. we can’t assume that the drafting of Grandal totally ends the possibility of Myers catching. I would think KC would continue to have Myers get some playing time behind the plate. Myers could begin to work into the OF with Bonilla or Graterol working at catcher.
3. Idaho Falls would allow Grandal to catch everyday, get use to professional ball and if he is tearing up the league, he can move quickly.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 7, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Just north of $3 million is what he'll get
according to Frankie P.
little bit above slot, nothing though that should make it go until August 15th or whatever. who knows with BUD in the charge though.
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Here's your quote.
UPDATE (6/6 – 2:10 AM) – The latest word from industry sources on the potential pre-draft deal between Yasmani Grandal and the Royals is that it will be worth “upwards of $3 million.”
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/06/05/draft-buzz-top-15-clearing-up
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The slot for #4 pick in 2009 was $2.7 million for Tony Sanchez
I don’t know if MLB adjusts the slot each year but it’s well within the range. I think that the “signing off” by commissioner’s office is the stupidest thing since the AS game winner getting home field advantage. It takes away from the player’s development and the deal is still done regardless of what Bud & Co. want. Let’s hope Grandal can get a full 3 months of playing done in 2010. If Hosmer would have signed early, I wonder how his development would have been in 2009.
The real question is
Who is going to be the sign-ability guy or guys that we take this year…that is what im most excited for.
here's a name for you
SS JaCoby Jones
http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20100606/SPORTS/100605007
If Jones hears his name on Monday, it will probably be from one of four teams that is willing to pay a significant signing bonus, somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.5 million.
"Right now, I’d say the Astros, Red Sox, Royals and the Pirates are the four teams that would be willing to pay to get him. It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up."
The $$$ number probably matters more than what round he’s drafted in. He’s an SS now but is kind of a big guy, might move down the line. Very athletic though.
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