Draft Day Three Open Thread & Links
by Freneau on Jun 9, 2010 10:00 AM EDT
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PrintI feel like we're at the point where so many picks have been made, with so much obscurity now dominating the proceedings, that it's probably best to start talking more about the big picture. So what is the big picture? We've now got months to start figuring that out.
- The Royals think they’re close…and they might be right - The Hardball Times
- Rany on the Royals: Draft Review.
- Royals Prospects (they are posting profiles of every pick, so check it out)
- More on Christian Colon | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog
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It seems
like they really went away from the high-cost-high risk-high reward picks this year, Jason Adam might be the lone exception if his bonus demands are accurate. I wonder if that is part of the process or if ownership was getting impatient? Maybe it’s just a reflection of the draft quality.
Eibner seems like the ultimate safe pick to me, if he doesn’t work out as a hitter he can always try again as a pitcher.
I thought this draft would really reveal more about The Process, but since it was a weak draft I don’t think we can make any conclusions about it. I’m as uncertain as ever.
Nah
Eibner is not the ultimate safe pick. In terms of talent, he was one of the top guys left on the board so we took him. Colon might have been a safe pick, but I think Eibner was an example of best player available.
i don't see what's so great about the eibner pick
he’s a pitcher, but if we’re using him as a hitter, that’s how he needs to be evaluated. so, we’re getting good defense, good arm, good power, but doesn’t he have below average plate discipline and contact skills?
i’m afraid that he’s going to have had too long of a lay-off from pitching that it’ll significantly slow his development or that he’s going to be a good enough hitter to give the organization hope, but never good enough to actually amount to anything.
The good news about his hitting approach is that it's not his plate discipline,
from what I’ve read. It’s his contact skills. He doesn’t chase pitches outside the strike zone, he just doesn’t always hit the ones in the strike zone. While neither is a good thing, at least he doesn’t have both problems to deal with.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, the similarities are certainly there
(hopefully the similarity that they’re both great ML pitchers), but AnKiel is a HACKER, whereas Eib actually has a sense of when to swing.
(of course this is only based on reading a few things, probably mostly written by people who also haven’t actually seen him play)
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jun 9, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think AnKiel is more of a swing and miss at everything
Whereas Eibner has at least some control and judgment.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Hardball Times writes it, then it must be true!
Can’t wait for them to compete only for the world to end in 2012.
I’m actually concerned that Colon won’t pan out. I haven’t been high on him for a while, but have been partially swayed to the optimistic side by everything I’ve read about him lately. His uppercut swing bothers me a bit, but I think that’s the major issue I have with him right now. It’ll take some time in the minors before I really figure him out, so hopefully he gets there soon.
I’ll say I was pleasantly surprised with the Eibner pick. It’ll be interesting to see the play between hitter and pitcher and where that ultimately places him, but it’s a nice pick anyway.
The real pick I really want to see is Mike Antonio. I think he could be the wildcard out of the draft. He needs to put on some strength and fill out, but he is just a high schooler right now and has time to finish up his game. I’m not really sure who to compare him to, but I could see him as a legit starter in the majors someday.
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And even if these prospects pan out, will they do so before Greinke, Butler, Hochevar, Gordon and Callaspo are gone?
It’s not like all of these players are going to be with the Royals forever. And it’s not like prospects always succeed in the majors, and do so within their first year or two.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I really doubt it
Some, like Eibner and Antonio, definitely won’t make it up until Greinke’s contract is up. The real hope there lies with Moose, Hos, Monty, Lamb, Crow, Colon, and to a lesser extent Gia, Dwyer, and Melville (I probably forgot someone). The chances that everything goes right are slim to none. And the chances that everything goes right and GMDM fills in any holes with acceptable or good MLB players is slim to none. In reality, 2012 is optimistic, but I could see 2013 being more of a boost year with 2012 being a transition year. This is, of course, if everything goes well. As Royals fans, we know not to expect things to be perfect and to go according to plan, but there’s a chance, however slim, that something goes right for the organization and things work out. I agree with you that it’s highly unlikely, but I can definitely see where they’re coming from on that article.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Dwyer had a heck of a last start...
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An RCI would be interesting after the draft is completed
The mood around the Royals blogosphere concerning Moore seems absurdly positive right now.
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
Is it really?
People are loving Moore right now?
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Need These? @@
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
affirmative
~~~if there is one thing i absolutely know for sure its... ummmm uhhh.... uhhh
nevermind
hating less, perhaps?
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't think that draft should lead anyone to hate him less
At best, it was a pretty good draft. At worst, it was pretty bad. And this horrible season shouldn’t lead anyone to hate him less either.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Drafts should never immediately sway opinions
but his earlier drafts are looking up this year…I’d say that has affected opinions more than this draft.
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
high on colon?
i usually try more traditional methods of getting high. colon doesn’t sound like it would do much for you.
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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And I Thought
The kids huffing toluene at Wyandotte were stupid.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Pre-draft next year, we need a thread where the top-25 or so players are listed
and people group them based on their anticipated feeling if the Royals took that player:
GREAT
GOOD
OK
POOR
WTF
I didn’t pay extremely close attention to the pre-draft stuff, but everything I read here and on other blogs seemed to say that the Royals should essentially be choosing between Pomeranz, Sale, and Grandal. Other names including Colon were mentioned as possible good picks, but the talk centered around those three.
Post-draft, everything I’m reading says Colon = GREAT pick. This makes me wonder if the overall opinion would’ve been the same regardless of which top-18 guy the Royals picked.
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
I say the Colon pick was GOOD
And I say GOOD for the rest of the draft thus far.
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I was one of the guys that said we should get Grandal or Colon...
But I didn’t think we’d take Colon because of the smokescreens that kept going up. My question is this, when guys like Law and Callis put together their predraft rankings, are they swayed by where they think a team may pick someone? For example, did they move Sale up in the draft because the Royals told them they were thinking about him at #4 when he was really the #15 guy? Just a thought.
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+1
All the talk around here for the first round pick was about other players. And then Colon is picked and suddenly he was a great choice. I don’t get it.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
For me it's more about inconsistent reports on Colon's power.
He’s appeared to be a better pick to me as I looked into his stats and compared them with the scouting reportsHe led Team USA in homers and shares the lead at Cal-State Fullerton this year with 16 HRs as he’s recovered from a broken leg. Some scouts make it sound like he doesn’t have any pop in his bat. Statistically, the inverse seems to be true.
No one seems to doubt the contact skills and plate discipline. Defense is the only question.
If he’s a power hitting SS with fringe average defense I’m happy. Worst case he would be a stud 2B.
Of course he could prove to be someone who can't hit in the majors at all
We don’t know if he’ll make good contact or show power in the majors. Like all prospects, his worst case is total failure.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
True.
I’m simply talking about what the statistics and scouting reports collectively suggest. I don’t have a crystal ball.
I also think those statistics arm you with some ammunition when deciphering which scouting reports really make sense.
Although it is exceptionally difficult to draw meaningful conclusions from amateur baseball stat about a professional baseball future.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Bill James say that was his next big project?
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, from what I’ve read, every MLB organization that takes sabermetrics seriously, as well as many independent analysts are working on this.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Transition To
Wood bats probably affects some more than others. I’ve seen a huge difference in power stats here in the ABl since they went away from metal.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Your stance seems to be
You don’t like Colon because he may not make it, but of course, that could be said about anyone the Royals select. I’m sure I’m oversimplifying but I don’t really get why you are so down on the pick.
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I know much less about potential draftees than many who post here. All I know is what I’ve read about them (which is less than most) and what people around here have said. He didn’t get much buzz around here before the draft. And it seems like most describe him as a high floor, lowish ceiling kind of pick. Safe, but not tremendous upside. With regard to my above comment, the worst case scenario is always complete failure. I don’t think we should pretend that he’ll either become a good MLB SS, a bad SS, or a good 2B. There are many other possibilities. With prospects, complete failure is always a distinct possibility.
My problem with the pick, to the extent that I have one, is my problem with this entire draft from the Royals. It looks and sounds like the Royals were looking for safe, cheap picks which will complement a future Royals team full of successfully developed prospects. I think that’s a poor draft philosophy for the Royals.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the low ceiling is only true if you subscribe to the reports about him having no pop in his bat. Some reports and the statistics indicate he has a potential for good power which would make his ceiling quite high, since all reports agree he has good contact skills and plate discipline and could play 2B.
There is a good argument to be nade he was the number 4 guy in the draft. Sale is profiled as a reliever by many scouts.
From what I read before the draft was that there were 3 levels of talent at the top:
1
2 & 3
and 4-20 who were all pretty close and included Colon. I don’t know if the Royal’s philosophy was “safety” as much as it was that they just felt like there were no players with a high enough ceiling to make it worth the risk.
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
If 4-20 were in a big group, then I would have thought that the discussions around here and elsewhere would have included 15 names and no short list of frontrunners. Instead, the discussions basically included 4 or 5 names and Colon wasn’t one of them.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your point, it was just this quote from Rany that stood out for me, I guess:
So here the Royals sit, drafting fourth in a draft where there’s little difference between the fourth-best and the 20th-best player in the draft
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for the Record...
…Colon was definitely on the short list of guys in that range as recently as April.
I posted just last week asking what had happened to him because I noticed that his name dropped out of the conversation in the last month or two. I don’t think I got any response.
As I recall it, going into the season, the talk (after Harper) focused on Taillon, A.J. Cole, Pomerantz, Colon, Renaudo and Machado.
That's fair
Frankly, I kinda wish he had gone for safer college picks this entire time. I like guys like Colon – polished bats, good kids from college, closer to the big leagues. I think you need to sprinkle in some high upside guys now and then, but particularly in a weak draft like this, I think you’re probably better off going with safer college guys. Look around baseball – many teams are taking college guys after about round three.
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Also
What high upside guy did you want at #4? Chris Sale?
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There isn't anyone that I particularly wanted
Grandal, I guess. It seems like he was described as having a higher upside.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The biggest thing that hurt him was his broken leg last summer...
I imagine he took some time to get back into the 100% mode and that would have hurt his early stats.
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Royals applied the Chief's strategy - draft captains...leadership counts.
Greatest draft in the history of whatever.
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking that yesterday!
lol
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agreed.
on a positive note, this shows that Moore et. al. haven’t knocked all possible optimism out of the Royals’ fans, but I didn’t see a lot of cheerleading for Colon before the pick either.
"Shot by my own men."
So who are the best available guys right now?
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Jesse Biddle signs with Philadelphia
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/phillies-agree-with-firstround-pick-biddle.html
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Is he related to Rocky Biddle?
A lefty pitcher with the White Sox a handful of years ago.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Live Coverage Here
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Jose Tabata getting called up by the Pirates...
…the day after Strasburg Mania…
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Poor Mike Stanton had a good debut last night
3-5 and scored 2 runs, but of course there was no attention paid to him.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember when Tabata was supposed to be a great prospect
His inconsistent minor league performance certainly cooled prospect analysts on him. He’s been hitting pretty well, but not great this year.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Although if rumors are true
he could be a lot closer to his age 27 breakout than the Pirates thought when they traded for him…
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by Matt Klaassen on Jun 9, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Buehrle, Travis Hafner, Orlando Hudson, Randy Wells, Raul Ibanez
All players that were drafted on Day 3.
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I wouldn't mind getting a Buehrle today...
Or a Ibanez…
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31.4
648 Bangs, Parker RHP U of South Carolina
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Parker Bangs 5.27 1-0 14-0 0 0/1 0 13.2 7 8 8 9 21 1 1 2 48 .146 1 2 0 0 0
2009 – 3-for-4 with two runs scored, two RBI and homer in win over George Mason (5/29) … Pinch-hit RBI double in 5-4 loss to Vanderbilt at SEC Tournament (5/21) … Hurled 2.2 scoreless innings of relief and struck out six batters while allowing just one hit in 9-5 win over Alabama at SEC Tournament (5/20) … 2-for-3 with a run scored in 7-4 win vs. Georgia (5/15) … Worked 4.2 innings of relief and allowed one run, unearned, on two hits with five strikeouts to pick up victory in 6-3 win over USC Upstate … 2-for-3 with a three-run homer and four RBI, also pitched two perfect innings of relief and earned win, struck out all six batters he faced, in 15-12 win over Tennessee (5/9) … Pinch hit three-run homer in 11-3 win over Vanderbilt (5/3) … 3-for-6 wtih a double, run scored and a RBI in 12-10 win over Ole Miss (4/10) … Solo home run in 7-6 win over Clemson (4/7) … 2-for-4 with a double and two RBI in 7-4 loss to Arkansas (4/5) … 1-for-3 with a double and a run scored in 10-0 win vs. Furman (4/1) … 2-for-6 with two runs scored and three RBI in 20-19 win over Kentucky (3/28) … Hurled career-high seven innings in first career start, did not allow a run and struck out seven in 6-0 win over Davidson (3/18), also hit for himself and went 2-for-2 with a RBI … Hurled five innings of relief, allowing three runs, one earned, on seven hits in 10-7 loss to Long Beach State, struck out six batters (3/8) … Hit a solo home run in 7-5 win over Long Beach State (3/7)Two hits in 3-1 at Clemson (2/28) … Hurled one scoreless inning of relief in 6-0 win vs. Duquesne … 1-for-2 with a run scored, two sacrifice flies and a career-high three RBI in 13-0 win vs. Duquesne (2/21) … Recorded first career RBI in Carolina Stadium history with two-out single in bottom of first inning to score Whit Merrifield.
2008 – Appeared in 18 games as a relief pitcher … Posted a 3-3 record with two saves in 27.1 innings of work … Struck out 34 batters with 15 walks allowed, opponents batted only .217 against him … Also served as designated hitter and pinch hitter … As position player, played in 13 games with 11 starts … Hit .277 (13-for-47) with two homers and six RBI to go along with three doubles and a triple … 2-for-4 with a RBI and a run scored in 11-3 win vs. Florida at SEC Tournament (5/22) … Key solo home run and pitched 1.1 innings of relief in 7-5 win over Tennessee (5/16) … Struck out potential tying runner at the plate for a final out to earn save in 9-6 victory vs. Florida (5/4) … Started at designated hitter and hit first career homer, finished 2-for-4 at plate and also pitched final two innings to earn first save of the year in an 8-6 win over Auburn (4/12) … Made first career start at designated hitter vs. Davidson (4/2) and went 2-for-4 with a run and a RBI in 9-2 win … Hurled 2.2 scoreless innings of relief with five strikeouts to earn win in 7-4 victory at The Citadel (4/1) … Hurled 1.1 scoreless innings of relief with two strikeouts in 9-1 win over Mississippi State (3/21) … Worked 2.2 innings and struck out career-high seven batters in 5-3 loss vs. Yale (3/11) … 2008 SEC Academic Honor Roll recipient … Played for second consecutive summer for Fayetteville (N.C.) in the Coastal Plain League … Named to CPL All-Star team, finished season with .253 batting average, four HR and 31 RBI … Also finished 2-3 on the mound with 3.43 ERA … Struck out 39 batters in 42 innings and compiled team-high five saves … Baseball America rated him the No.5 best prospect out of the CPL this summer.
2007 – Squad member that did not see any action and took a redshirt … Pitched over the summer with Fayetteville (N.C.) in the Coastal Plain League where he was 2-1 with a 2.12 ERA in 17 innings with 16 strikeouts and one save in nine relief appearances … 2007 SEC Freshmen Academic Honor Roll member.
HIGH SCHOOL – Played for Scotland High School and coach Tommy Britt … Earned North Carolina all-state honors in 2005 and 2006 …Conference Player of the Year in 2004 … Three-time all-conference and all-region honoree (2004-06) … Scotland High School 2006 Scholar-Athlete of the Year.
PERSONAL – Born Parker Hoyt Bangs on 12/22/87 … Parents are Kelly and Jack Ficklin and Michael Bangs.
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Linked to the USC page
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Looks like another RP arm...
Thoughts?
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Excellent name, right up there with Shooter Hunt
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
SEC draw continues
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the new market efficiency
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by Royal Kingdom on Jun 9, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
should I just link a Gamecocks webpage?
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If he spurns us..
For a porn career with that name, I’m not surprised.
by Bryan Everson on Jun 9, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, thank goodness they are putting the call on hold to fix the technical data...
echo echo echo echo echo ehco….
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Is it still stopped?
Nothing’s going through mine. Just want to make sure it’s not just me.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It's going again...
still echoing…
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Benito Santiago?
Isn’t he a bit old for this?
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I'd like to see more JuCo HS kids today...
Get some more upside than the NCAA guys…
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The older guys have more patience for sitting in cars all day `
for the 2012 parade
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32.4
1361 Justing Hagmen, RHP, Hopkins HS in Kentucky
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Justin Hageman – RHP/OF // 6’3" 210 // Hopkinsville, Ky. (Hopkinsville HS)
Hageman is one of the top players in the state and is a physical and athletic kid who has a tremendous future. In his time at Hopkinsville High School, he has been named all-district, all-region and is a nominee for Mr. Kentucky Baseball for the upcoming 2010 season. He is coached by Greg Perry at Hopkinsville High School and played this summer for the Evansville Razorbacks. He was also recruited by Louisville, Kentucky, Clemson and Coastal Carolina.
Finwood on Hageman: “Justin is a true two-way player who will have an impact on the mound and at the plate for us. He is an ultra-aggressive and competitive young man who is a fearless competitor. We expect Justin to contribute right away as a pitcher and hitter.”
Hopkinsville pitcher Justin Hageman has signed to play baseball at Western Kentucky University, according to the Kentucky New Era.
Saturday’s story said Hageman, who will be a senior at Hopkinsville High, was 5-3 on the mound last year with a 1.60 ERA, following a sophomore campaign that saw him go 8-0 with a 0.64 ERA. He struck out 83 in 66 innings pitched.
The New Era story also said Hageman continues to draw interest from several Major League Baseball teams, including the Braves, Brewers, and Yankees.
Braves
Good steal GMDM.
This is the type of kid I was hoping to see yesterday. Higher upside tougher sign HS kids… wonder why they waited until day 3?
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Cause he won't sign
It’s the kind of flier you take on the last day, but usually these kids have made the college decision already, figuring they’ll improve their draft position at least 20 rounds in college. I guess nothing is impossible, especially since they should have the money with all of these easy sign college guys, but if he was thought to be top ten round talent, he’s going to think he’ll be top 3-5 round caliber in 3 years. Now you’re talking high 6 figures at least. While GMDM has pulled it off (Keaton Hayenga comes to mind), these kinds of picks are more wishes than plans.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Jun 9, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
3-5 is more low 6 figures
I realize why they waited, I was stating, take him in round 20, 25… offer 100,000.
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Justin Hageman Position: RHP School: Hopkinsville HS State: KY Height: 6’2’’ Weight: 205
Birth Date: 8/6/92 Seiler Rating: 3C1 Commitment: Western Kentucky
A two-way player who currently plays outfield, he’s also slated to play both ways at Western Kentucky, which means it might
be hard to sell him on just pitching at the next level. However, with a ceiling of a number three starter, a
few teams might want to take a chance on him at the back end of the top ten rounds. His fastball is
already a solid-average pitch, sitting 89-92 and touching 93-94 at times, and he does it without
maximum effort. His command isn’t great yet, but it will come with time because he has all the pieces to
improve with pro instruction. His frame isn’t necessarily the most projectable, so added velocity isn’t
necessarily expected, but it could happen. His secondary pitch is a future above-average to plus
curveball that simply overmatches players in his area. His changeup is only a fringe-average pitch
without much projection for more, but with his fastball/curveball combo, he’s a solid prospect with a lot
of potential. He could go somewhere in the seventh to twelfth round range, and he’s been rising up
boards quickly enough to take notice, which means he might be given enough money to be swayed
away from college.
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was ranked the 237th day 2 prospect by baseballdraftreport.com
that would be 287 overall.
Nice pickup. Get him signed!
KLaw's review of the Royals' Day 2 Draft:
“Best pick of day two was local pitcher Jason Adam, a high school arm with a workhorse build who still needs to develop his four pitches. They took Arkansas two-way star Brett Eibner, who has said he prefers to hit, as a pitcher in the second round; he has upside due to his athleticism but his offspeed stuff isn’t advanced. Third-rounder Mike Antonio has a quick bat but didn’t hit well against awful competition in New York City, while Florida closer Kevin Chapman is mostly a one-pitch guy, and it’s a 50 or 55 fastball. They took a slew of college players without rolling the dice on any real tough signs, and the upside of this draft class seems limited to me.” From the AL review here(Insiders).
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Day 3 is slow, Twitter is fucked
is it just me, or did Big Love lead anybody else to notice how hot Chloe Sevigny is?
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Agreed
Definitely didn’t realize it until watching that.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a fan of hers
Either as an actress or as something to look at, but I admit I have not seen Big Love. I reserve the right to change my mind.
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Yeah, I find her very not hot
Except in that scene from “Brown Bunny” of course.
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by Scott McKinney on Jun 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
big love
is a great show. get the seasons & watch from the begininng.
Watch how the fantasy (for all the wrong reasons – allegedly) turns to a living hell.
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nevermind
it seems like the show sorta misses its mark for me
the polygamy as polygamy still comes across as mostly fine
its the having an insane family that makes it suck
uh
get back to us when you can get 3 women willing to be married to you at the same time without drama
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rule #1
never let one of them make “the schedule”
take the highest bidder each night.
What would really suck is that they are all gonna cycle together…. good time to plan business trips
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nevermind
i think she looks hideous in true love....
something about her just bothers me
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jun 9, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice to see Andrew Giobbi go to Seattle
From Vandy. He’s an okay player. Really surprised that he was drafted before some of the other guys.
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That Lees Summit kid looked good... wish we woud have pulled the trigger on him before Seattle did.
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Seems as though he wanted to go to school... maybe that's why we didn't take him.
It currently sits 89-91 with good life down in the zone, and he has the makings of
becoming a power groundball pitcher. His breaking ball is a fringe-average pitch, however, and he’s
never really gotten a feel for anything that spins. His changeup is in a similar predicament, which is why
some scouts see him as a reliever.
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33.4
2960 Loodin, Anthony RHP Southern Arkansas U
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Southern Arkansas University!
the cradle of 16th overall picks!
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a run on SAU players!
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Cole Lohden
6’4/220
4.10 ERA, 15 games/10 starts, 69 K/41 BB in 59 1/3 IP, 10 WP, 9 HBP
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Stumpo!
6’4 catchers are the new currency of baseball
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9730 Blackmire, Mark
RHP Carroll High School in Texas.
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Mark Blackmar is a two-way player from Mary Carroll High School in Corpus Christi, Texas, not to be
confused with Southlake Carroll High School in Southlake. Both, just to confuse us, are called Carroll
High School in casual conversation. However, Mary Carroll is the school that has put out Major Leaguers
Brooks Kieschnick and Cliff Pennington after stints in college, and Blackmar could very well be their next
big league produt. Considered an outfield prospect until about a year ago, he took up pitching, and
things have clicked every since. His parents, interestingly enough, are pro golfers, his father being PGA
player Phil Blackmar. However, Mark didn’t feel like swinging a stick as much anymore, and he’s clearly
more of a pitching prospect now. Though he’s fairly maxed out physically, he features a solid pitch mix
already, despite his lack of experience on the mound. His fastball is solid-average at 87-89, touching 92,
and he pairs it with one of the best cutters in the prep class this year. His curveball and changeup are
both fringe-average to average pitches, and all of this makes him a potential number four starter if
everything pans out correctly. He doesn’t have a major college scholarship, instead possessing a Temple
College scholarship, but he may be a late signee of a major college program. He might need some work
with his mechanics, and though he’s a possible eighth to fifteenth round prospect, there’s a very good
chance he heads to school.
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Brooks Kieschnick!
He was awesome! One of my favorite very short-term players ever.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Scouting video
Here.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like a curve, cutter/slider, and fastball.
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I'm an amateur
But it looks like there’s decent movement on them for a high schooler. Some adequate cutting action, if I’m seeing it right.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a dream that we brought back Calvin Pickering and started him against a LHP
I need to lay off the peyote
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Eldon, represent!
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phrases you won't hear today
“The Tigers select Chapman, Lucifer. Left-handed pitcher. Army of Darkness State University. Hometown: Parts Unknown”
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Mitchell Beacom, 36th round
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Crazy
Not sure what to say about it.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the camera angle might be screwing with the view
it looks like a high sidearm
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Yeah, he sort of jumps to almost 3/4 slot
But not quite. High sidearm is probably about right, though the reach before the pitch seems odd, too. I think the angle does make it stranger than if it were straight-on.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a touch violent
But not that bad.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
for all we know
he went to a Kevin Appier pitching clinic when Appier was with the Angels
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he's turning his back on the plate a bit too, it seems
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He Wants The
Batter to see his number so he’ll remember who smoked him.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrew Benes?
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nevermind
Elaine's Nephew Maybe?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that's gottta be it
I’m sure any similarity to http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/benesan01.shtml is coincidental
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nevermind
Kevin Seitzer's step-son!
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Figures
Maybe Seitzer can teach him to bat.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
he's a pitcher
so he’s probably great at bunting
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Well then we're screwed.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No School sure has had a lot of players get drafted
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another No School pick
time to draft all the kids who wandered to a tryout and threw 87
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Nope, It's Monkey
Bars and sliding board we’re looking for now.
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by philofthenorth on Jun 9, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Alexander Rivers. RHP. Santa Clara University
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That picture
Is that the “critical spirit” I’ve been hearing about?
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by aHorseWithNoName on Jun 9, 2010 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
DALE CORNSTUBBLE
Catcher, Central Michigan
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YES!
Our catcher of the future has arrived!
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
326/384/413, 71 for 218, 12 for 27 (?) with gunning down basestealers
if you root against Dale Cornstubble, you are a communist
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His motion looks solid
in his scouting video. Not much there on hitting and I wish there was more in-game action (as with most scouting videos), but he moves fairly well.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
his BA is only that low because most of the time he doesn't come to the plate with a bat
he just grits out base hits
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Heir to Kendall's throne
He excretes grit. The Royals will collect it and mix it in with the other players’ food to increase the grit quality of all the prospects.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i worry about this pick
I’ve never heard “Cornstubble” used as a first name.
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nevermind
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I'd be a
good 40th round signability pick. I wont expect too much over slot
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nevermind
Last year we took Morin in the 40th, or somewhere close.
Who is this years Morin that signs?
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how did we miss
a guy named Brandon Brennen?
two first names – check
aliterative – check
grit – no doubt
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nevermind
watching the draft coverage
Jonathan Mayo looks like an B-movie villain
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A young child was caught on camera drinking from a beer bottle at a Philadelphia Phillies baseball game Sunday, MyFoxPhilly.com reported. The child appears to be between 3 and 4 years of age.
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My only thought is that
the Phillies are trying to one-up our hot-dog-to-eyeball incident with the tazering, vomiting, and now very very very underage drinking.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Could we get another under armour commercial?
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Draft back online.
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41.4
4028 Whitey, Matt RHP Western Kentucky U
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ah... Ridings.
Anyone else having problems with the echo?
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Not listening to know
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Just turned it on
No echo
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
So... anyone else see the twitter on the side?
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Busted link.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
What's up with that?
Where did you find this?
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jun 9, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
that pitcher has a good move to first
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look, i know nothing about the draft
but a RHP every fucking round? what the fuck? am i missing something and we did this last year, too?
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jun 9, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
another college RHP
Billy Beane thinks that we’re picking a lot of college players
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Round 44
Shawn Payne, OF, junior, Georgia Southern, stole 43 bases this year
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GWU shortstop goes to KC
Tom Zebroski
http://www.gwsports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/zebroski_tom00.html
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KC Royals draft breakdown thru 45
34 college players, 7 high schoolers, 4 community college players
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Another catcher
That’s 6 since round 17. Between that, all of the RH pitchers, and the college emphasis mea, we simply seem to be using most of this draft to restock the short season teams with a lot of competent spare parts that can play for a couple of years until we do it all again. It looks a lot like the back half of the 2007 draft.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Jun 9, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
Gotta have enough players at every position
But at some level isn’t the strategy to take a bunch of guys at positions we are weak at and hope 1 or 2 make it to AA?
thru 47
36 college players, 7 HSers, 4 CCers
Park University has a baseball team?
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Alex Gordon's brother..
…was the starting 2b for Park University not too long ago.
As you may recall, he’s “Brett Gordon,” and he was actually named after someone you’ve heard of…
Going local
Park U. If you’re going to pick a lot of interchangeable college guys, might as well get them from your own backyard.
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by CentralChamps20?? on Jun 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
The kid is listed at 6-9 and 170.
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probably 5'9"
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YOU'RE STUCK IN KC, FOOOOOORRRREVERRRRRR
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Player AVG GP-GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB SLG% BB HBP SO GDP OB% SF SH SB-ATT PO A E FLD%
1 Sandford, Darian. .366 45-45 164 42 60 6 3 1 29 75 .457 21 1 18 2 .434 3 3 56-66 90 104 7 .965
so he's not 6'9?
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who took him?
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They have him listed as Clifford.
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my bad...
What position?
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we did
part of the “get really fast dudes” talent initiative
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56 stolen bases? Wow.
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More walks than strikeouts
Terrible competition presumably, but that’s a good stat. 18 SO in 185 PA’s
only 3 picks left
have we selected everybody we can get out of the SEC, or who is a RHP, or who stole a base per game?
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hell with that
did we get all the grit and plus hands… and plus hands
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nevermind
fast dudes on the board, all Seniors
Willie Wesley, Jackson State, 52 SB in 53 G, caught 5 times
Pete Goeman, The Master’s College, 40 SB in 49 G, caught 12 times
no better name for a base stealer than Goeman
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We'll sign them FA
We’ll take 3 HS kids or tough juco signings…
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and risk losing our shot at some TMC players?
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Standford led the NAIA in stolen bases
nothing grittier than playing in the NAIA
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Jacob Hannemann
Two sport commit to BYU for 2012 (baseball and football – db).
Planning on going to Arkansas for a mission immediately.
I put the odds of us signing him at 5%
good
we can just keep him at Springdale until the mission is over
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so he'll be with the NW Ark coaches?
while he does his mission in Springdale?
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anthony scirroto?
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2 rounds left
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Rangers top two picks reach deals.
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Jake Skole and Kelly Deglan
both HS kids
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Official Texas Rangers Press release
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South Carolina Pitcher in Round 49
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the count is 37-8-4, IIRC
37 college players, and the 49th pick is a senior
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Our last pick...
….(these guys always sign)…. (Pirates sucking up to the commish)… `
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50.4
Last selection made by Art Stewart…. Royals SUCKING up HARD to the offices now…
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The great great great nephew of Shoeless Joe Jackson.
6484 Joseph Jackson, Catch, Mulvin HS, Mulvin South Carolina.
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we HAVE to sign this guy
Just for the memories.
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Art Stewart
I’ll never forget this moment
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Joseph Jackson, Catcher, HS, South Carolina
but is he a character guy?
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Expensively-Shoed Joe Jackson
Fantastic
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Birkenstock Joe Jackson
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