Trade Forum: Jose Guillen
The first in a series...
Will Jose Guillen be traded?
Pros:
- Is somewhat famous.
- The Royals have been trying to move him (supposedly) for months, so everyone knows he's available.
- On the face of it, Guillen is having a nice comeback season, especially in the power department. A .340 OBP is pretty good for him. Can be sold as a good RBI man.
- Guillen's speed score (3.5) is way up from the last two years (2.5, 2.2) and he's posted his best UZR number in RF since his Nationals days. I don't know if this jives with the scouting reports that are out there or not. But it would not surprise me if they did, given his obvious weight loss.
Cons:
- Is widely known as insane.
- Is owed somewhere around 5-6 million dollars for the rest of the season.
- Guillen's power numbers have been in a free-fall for over a month, due to his power-sapping blisters. Guillen wasn't simply not hitting homers, he wasn't driving the ball at all. Given how assiduously the Royals have showcased him, there's no chance that other team's haven't seen that as well. Even with a HR in his last game before the break, Guillen slugged just .396 in his last 24 starts before the break... despite a .319 batting average. Basically, he was Scott Podsednik.
- A skeptical eye would look at this season's defensive information (scouts and stats) and nevertheless conclude that he's not really someone you want in the OF.
- Guillen is an older player and a mild to heavy injury risk.
Could Go Either Way:
- Guillen's personality could be a positive or a negative. There's definitely a school of thought out there that guys like Guillen can help fire up a team. Additionally, we've already seen references made to Guillen being precisely the kind of player who performs well in contract years, which he is currently in.
- As far as I or anyone can tell, Guillen projects to be a Type B free agent after the season, although a hot streak could get him into Type A status. This could make him more or less tradeable.
Conclusion:
The Royals should be motivated to trade Guillen, who isn't even a part of the team's run to glory in 2011. Guillen's attractiveness is definitely higher than it was in Spring Training, and, to an extent, higher than it was in April. The problem with Guillen at this point is that his positives aren't that strong, while the negatives that everyone in the game knows about (the contract, the flaws in his game, the clubhouse stuff) are just about as strong as ever. Moreover, the Royals have no leverage on the market, further depressing the price. The problem is that when you look around, it's hard to find a suitable landing spot for Guillen at the moment. There's not many places in the AL for him to go, which is unfortunate because he needs to DH. The Royals need the teams on the fringes of the NL races (the Giants, the Mets, possibly even the Marlins) to stick around for another two weeks. Overall, it just doesn't add up to a likely deal. The Royals might end up giving Guillen away for nothing at the last minute, but only if they take a worse contract back or absorb all of his remaining salary.
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"Stuff I would trade Jose Guillen for" Power Rankings
1. An actual baseball player (Low A or above)
2. A radio commentator to replace Bob Davis
3. A hot tub
4. A Jose Guillen rookie card
5. A couch
6. Free firewood
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I'll give you Jose Guillen for that turkey sandwich and half your cookie!
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 16, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I see the sandwich and cookie
and I raise you a sugar-free chocolate snack pack…
but my yoo-hoo’s off limits
TWSS
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 16, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
is said hot tub
of the time machine variety? No? Well, I’ll a take it anyway.
Yeah, if I lived in KC I'd drive by and fill up my trunk
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
My brother-in-law would let you cut down a few hickory trees
on his lot. Unfortunately, his lot is in Lebanon, Tennessee.
Old grapevines (like 50 years old) develop wooden trunks and branches, and they prune them every year. The prunings (maybe a foot long, three inches thick or so) make nice smoke.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
If he cannot be traded
he needs to get released. What would be the chance someone would claim him off of waivers? That’s probably our best shot at unloading payroll. We won’t be getting a prospect back, so either find a way to dump the salary or release him.
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
Not even his own mother.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 16, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, agreed.
that’s what makes this horrible. we can effectively hold onto him well past the deadline.
I think he only goes
if Carlos Beltran proves to not be 100% in his return to the Mets. This isn’t meant as a poke at Omar Minaya (not that it would be entirely undeserved) as a feeling that the Mets know they’re in a very tight race, were counting on Beltran’s return to put them over the top, and might panic if that doesn’t look likely to work. And I don’t really see any other team that could be thusly motivated.
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Even if Beltran gets hurt tomorrow and is out for the rest of the season.
Guillen would be the fourth best outfielder on the Mets, probably behind even Francoeur because of defense.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 16, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
During Petro's two minute drill today
he talked to a sportswriter from the Bay area. It was rumored that a Royals scout was at the Giant’s game the other night. Both DDJ and Guillen’s names came up, but the guy thought Guillen was a more likely trade prospect because of the lower asking price. Petro speculated that the Royals were looking at someone in the bullpen.
I could see this
Guillen out there for a lower pitching prospect. Maybe we can even send DDJ, too, for a few prospects of middling quality or one or two average to strong prospects. Or maybe I’m just crazy.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 16, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as Aaron Rowand isn't the return, I'd be ecstatic with almost any Guillen to the Giants deal
Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Jul 16, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OH GREAT!!
Giants current bullpen:
Brian Wilson 1.86 – Closer is untouchable
Jeremy Affeldt 4.55
Guillermo Mota 3.21 – 37 years old
Santiago Casilla* 2.08
Sergio Romo 2.21
Chris Ray 3.05
Denny Bautista 2.89
ex-Royals in bold, strong history of suckage in italics, non-stop Ryan Lefebvre Santiago Casilla is Jairo Garcia story is asterisked.
Basically the only guy in the pen that’s interesting is Sergio Romo, FanGraph stats.
I think he will be traded
But just as a salary dump where the Royals still pay some of his salary and get nothing of value in return.
He’s hitting and fielding well enough this year that he could improve someone’s team at least a little, so someone will want him at least a little. They just won’t want him badly enough to pay his salary. I’m guessing that if he can stay get and stay healthy, the Giants will wind up with Guillen and the Royals will save ~$2M.
Probably right
Still, though, you would hope that a sharp trader would be able to get the Giants and Mets bidding against one another for the glittering bauble that is Hosey and get a tiny return. And by that I mean a C prospect and/or a couple of four-A relievers and/or picking up most of his contract and/or a busted ex-A or B prospect who might be resurrected and/or a pu-pu platter.
Desperate teams sometimes do very dumb things. The problem is that Dayton’s not smart enough to take advantage when he might have a bit of leverage.
What the Royals ought to do is find the best used-car salesman in Kansas City and put him in charge of trade negotiations. I guarantee you he’d do better than Dayton.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
Type A or B status is irrelevant
As far as I or anyone can tell, Guillen projects to be a Type B free agent after the season, although a hot streak could get him into Type A status. This could make him more or less tradeable.
Type A and B only matter if a team is willing to offer the player arbitration, and no team is stupid enough to offer Guillen arbitration, as his current $12 million salary would be the benchmark. Given the way the market has gone for DH/OF/1B types, Guillen might not get offered a major league deal over the offseason.
by Gopherballs on Jul 16, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I Wouldn't Put
It past Moore.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 16, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Guillen playing the field in San Francisco would be hilarious
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I heard that stadium in KC has some serious outfield space
I bet it’d be hilarious to see him out there! Whatever manager sends him out there must be insane!
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 16, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
well
SF’s right field also has just as much potential for inside the park home runs, with more plays off the wall
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Very true
Maybe he’d just get a canoe and sit in the bay trying to catch them. Might work better.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 16, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they pass him thru waivers and
make a small low level Navarro type player and take on most the salary. I think this is the only way they move him.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
give me a couple 19 year olds
and lets move on.
or he said
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 16, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
When My Wife
Turned 57 I joked that I could trade her in for 3 19 year olds. I probably would have been dead in 24 hours.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 16, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine that
there are a lot of out-of-the-way places to bury a body up there.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 16, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Bodies Sink In
Cold water; the sand fleas take care of the rest. But, yeah, if my wife wouldn’t have killed me I’m pretty sure the 19 year olds would have.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
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