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So Let's Hammer Out This Sexist & Cliched Analogy About Moose & Hosmer

  • Thought #1: Wow, so like, Moose or Hosmer is sorta like the "Ginger or Maryann" question for Royals fans these days. At the very least I should tweet this. Maybe it's a whole post. Hmm.
  • Thought #2: Could we take it further? I'm old enough to remember the brief but real "Aniston or Cox" query from the mid-90s.

Star-divide

  • Thought #2.5: Was "Aniston or Jolie" a thing? I think it kinda was, but it was more related to personality, ideas of loyalty and propriety, emotions. Hmm.
  • Thought #3: Is this something like golf or tennis? Because it seems like we need these rivalries in our imagination. Even though these aren't actually rivalries, between the people involved, unlike in sports, though it would be cool if they were. No, I want more guys on the internet choosing me! I will do that FHM spread.
  • Thought #4: Is there one of these things going on now? Can't think of one. Maybe our hope is Mad Men. Incredible cast. We need some touchstone sexist and objectifying debate for our time.
  • Thought #5: People also have a desire to answer the question in a clever way. It is absolutely awesome to respond to "Hosmer or Moose?" with "Wil Myers." So that would be the equivalent of answering "Ginger or Maryann" with "Catwoman" right? This tweet or post is getting more complicated. I'm getting too old and out of it anyway. Guys on RR mention bands and actresses all the time I've never heard of. I wish I was 20.
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    also

    who doesn’t go with mary ann?

    aniston would seem like the easy choice but cox, who may have been more uptight, seemed easier to read and knew what she wanted.

    never like angelina jolie even for a bit. she looks part alien to me.

    and hosmer for the plate discipline.

    by 9il on Jul 20, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

    yea, that's the problem with that one

    the cliche of the cliche is to go with maryann, because she was more of a girl next door or whatever … although the fact that she was presumably also much younger never gets mentioned

    by Freneau on Jul 20, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    And she is rumored to be seen with local boy and noted Royals fan

    Jason Sudeikis

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I’ve always wanted “noted” to be a part of my description.

    I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.

    by TheLetter2 on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Needs more pics

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

    I Used This

    One in a game thread a few days ago.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jul 20, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Is that Brunette Barbie?

    I don’t think I fully appreciated Gilligan’s Island when I was young.

    by AxDxMx on Jul 20, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    MYERS!

    Wil Myers = Jeanie. Years ago there was a beer commercial where dudes debated Ginger or Mary Ann before compromising on Jeanie. Anyone else remember that?

    by Dadunca on Jul 20, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

    I don't think there is one of these going on right now

    Thought #4: Is there one of these things going on now? Can’t think of one. Maybe our hope is Mad Men. Incredible cast. We need some touchstone sexist and objectifying debate for our time.

    I think it partly has to do with the fracturing of popular culture into smaller niches. With so many TV channels and the internet, there really aren’t too many shared experiences anymore for the general population.

    by AxDxMx on Jul 20, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

    I think music has also splintered as well...

    who was the last artist that was hugely popular with both black and white kids? Jacko?

    by Freneau on Jul 20, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Will Smith

    a little more recent, but still a decade ago. Maybe there is someone else.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 20, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    does Kanye count?

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 20, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Outkast?

    Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

    by mazoboom on Jul 20, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I guess that's still not hugely popular in the white crowd.

    Just something that some white people happen to like.

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    by mazoboom on Jul 20, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

    you know

    we really should be having this conversation in the other direction…

    what is a white act/band that is popular with non-whites?

    by Freneau on Jul 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Eminem?

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Justin Bieber

    I think even black women get Bieber Fever.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jul 20, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I don't women get Bieber Fever.

    Only girls. Little girls.

    Or at least I hope so. Cause ew. All my friends waiting for the Twilight actors to turn legal was creepy enough. At least they look like almost-adults instead of babies who got big.

    by Gross(est) on Jul 21, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Jay-Z says hi

    Empire State of Mind is inescapable here in NYC.

    by billexgordler on Jul 20, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

    well...

    when you’re looking for a cultural least common denominator, hip’s kind of beside the point. He’s popular, for sure.

    by billexgordler on Jul 20, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Don't all white kids love R&B/pop now?

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jul 20, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

    many

    but there’s always a pretty huge percentage that doesn’t

    what’s the black equivalent of being a country-only fan?

    by Freneau on Jul 20, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

    that's a tough one

    because it seems like country-only fans have no musical soul.

    maybe the hardcore, gangster rap of the late 80’s-early 90’s? NWA, Easy-E, etc., where if you said really bad words and talked about killing you were a popular rapper, and if you didn’t you weren’t. (said the white boy who grew up in Kansas)

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 20, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    oh yes there is

    Team Edward or Team Jacob

    If Wil(l) were 20, he’d know all about this — careful what you wish for.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 20, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

    then

    I trust you'll break down the Jacob:Edward, Moose:Hos analysis in your next

    post

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 20, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

    My wife was dragged into this crap by her friends.

    She finds it amusing, and thinks Jacob is way hotter.

    Also, she has started reading the books that the HBO series True Blood is based off of and says that Stephenie Meyer basically ripped off Charlaine Harris’s Sookie Stackhouse novels for ideas. Not that any of you care. The TV series is kind of fun to watch though.

    by AxDxMx on Jul 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

    same here

    women have this weird desire to drag one another into things that by any standard suck. I don’t know what’s scarier, tweens reading this garbage or adult women

    From where I stand, Pattinson/Edward is strange looking. Wouldn’t say ugly, just… I’m not seeing it.

    by Freneau on Jul 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

    My wife likes it

    I just reconcile it by saying its the female version of Star Wars – juvenile plots, laughably bad dialogue, terrible acting, but somehow it just has this irresistable appeal.

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jul 20, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

    for some reason i like that the girls (when should i start saying women?) i know like it

    but that’s probably just because i haven’t seen or read any of it. i’m very critical of films and should it be as bad as advertised i’d probably lose some respect for these young women.

    by 9il on Jul 20, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Bite your tongue, sir

    “Star Wars” had neither “laughably bad dialogue” and “terrible acting.” Shakespeare and Olivier could only dream of something so purely excellent as Mark Hamill’s “But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!”

    It's all ball bearings these days!

    by CentralChamps20?? on Jul 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    adult women

    the female protagonist completely void of both personality and agency is more inexcusable for adult readers—by rights they should know better.

    by Yunielateral Movement on Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    You'd think they'd know better, but then again people inexplicably like movies like Old Dogs too.

    Maybe the Harry Potter books are good, and got more adult oriented as they progressed, but I still think there were far too many adults reading the stuff.

    by AxDxMx on Jul 20, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think women

    Should get back in the kitchen where they belong!

    by kcbottom9th on Jul 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

    @@@Confiscate Their Shoes@@@

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jul 20, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Yes, True Blood >>>>> Twilight

    Twilight is awful. True Blood I actually find myself looking forward to. I don’t think I’ve felt this way about a show since Star Trek TNG was in its first run…

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    by labbadabba on Jul 20, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think they overplay the cliffhangers a bit since they use it every episode.

    I wish they’d make a good Star Trek TV show again. TNG was easily the best, and I’ve seen all the other tries too.

    by AxDxMx on Jul 20, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I think they're gonna have to take a break for a while.

    A long while. All the people doing it were burned out and left it Brannon Braga’s hands which sucked ass. We need to clear the stench away and then let the next batch come in fresh. I’m willing to wait for that. Plus the movie kicked ass.

    by Gross(est) on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

    +99.999

    much worth noting, this made me laugh:

    I’m a 100 year old immortal with a perfect body and a perfect soul. I think I’m gonna go date some annoying high school chick.

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    by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 21, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Although

    it’s probably dangerous to point this out amongst a bunch of Mad Men fans, very few people actually watch Mad Men—not enough to generate a “who’s hotter” trope that will get much attention, anyway.

    The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. -- Albert Einstein

    by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 20, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

    It's a generational thing

    Ginger is now seen as superficial and high maintenance. Today, those things are out. In the 70’s (or whenever the hell those dimwits were stranded on that island,) perhaps those qualities were rare enough in a woman to be coveted. Bottom line: I’d hit them both. Probably even at their present age.

    Place witty signature here.

    by LaFLamme on Jul 20, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

    Cox all the way

    Love her on Cougartown. Can’t get enough Cox.

    by Tito42 on Jul 20, 2010 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

    TWSS

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    by RoyalsRetro on Jul 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

    I Remember Telling

    My wife, as we watched the “Friends” premiere, that Aniston would be a star.

    I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

    by philofthenorth on Jul 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

    never watched friends but Aniston for me...

    I just never was attracted to Mrs. Arquette.

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    by labbadabba on Jul 20, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Ginger vs Maryann

    Yeah, it’s Maryann – but you touched on something there Will – Catwoman had them both beat all to hell

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    by loyal2sdad on Jul 20, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

    Which Catwoman?

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 20, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

    julie newmar

    it wouldn’t make sense to compare madonna or halle berry to ginger and mary ann.

    by 9il on Jul 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Comparing Halle to anyone else

    just isn’t fair.

    "Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae

    "I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie

    by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 20, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

    it wouldn’t make sense to compare madonna or halle berry to ginger and mary ann.

    …but that logic doesn’t rule out Eartha Kitt.

    by kcemigre on Jul 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

    oh i see

    i was unaware of a second catwoman actress as i was never really into the adam west series and only knew of newmar because she was a big deal to some older guys.

    by 9il on Jul 20, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Newmar

    "We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

    "Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

    by loyal2sdad on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

    EEEEEEEEEEEW!

    "We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

    "Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

    by loyal2sdad on Jul 20, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

    Holy crap.

    Does that make you the tight-shorts-wearing cabana boy?

    by Gross(est) on Jul 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

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