Callaspo/O'Sullivan/Smith Trade Link Roundup & Analysis
I more or less agree with what Jeff said at Fangraphs on this trade. The Royals part with a player who, at best really, is average, and about to get more expensive. A part of me thinks its a little disingenuous to offer my thoughts on what they got back in return, because until about 8:00 PM tonight, I was only vaguely aware Sean O'Sullivan existed and knew nothing of young Will Smith. I can look at their stats and stuff on scouty sites as well as you can, but certainly no better.
This may turn out to be dead wrong, but (and this might surprise some) I just can't help but feel that the Royals did well here to get just about anything for Callaspo. I know it's the Angels, but we're talking about an OK player who mysteriously got worse in his age 27 season thanks to a precipitous drop in his walk rate. They can't find a better option at a lower price? It's not like .750 OPS guys are impossible to find. And it isn't like the Angels are a great environment for him getting a little more patient either. Obviously Callaspo's past presence in the Angel system played a role here. They see the potential. Really though, "peak" Callaspo is a little bit like "peak" Nebraska: yea, the Sand Hills are sorta picturesque in places, but sometimes they aren't even really hills, much less peaks.
- Will Smith: Angels Top Prospect #16 - Halos Heaven (A little old, but a good profile of Smith)
- Now Pitching for your Angels, Sean O'Sullivan - Halos Heaven (Same, only more recent)
- Callaspo Traded - Royals Authority
- The Alberto Callaspo Trade: Royals Perspective | FanGraphs Baseball
- BaseballAmerica.com: Majors: Trade Central: Angels Deal Two Young Pitchers For Callaspo (Good info on Wood & Sean)
- Minor League Profiles: Sean O’Sullivan and Will Smith " Royals Prospects
- Alberto Callaspo Traded to Angels | Kings of Kauffman | A Kansas City Royals Blog
- 14 for 77: Alberto Callaspo Trade finished and Greg Holland Heating up
- Royals trade Callaspo to Angels for two pitchers - KansasCity.com
- Royals/Angels Trade Analysis: Alberto Callaspo/Sean O’Sullivan, Will Smith | Call to the Pen
- Alberto Callaspo's Full-Time Replacement For The Royals: Wilson Betemit - SB Nation Kansas City
- Minor Leaguer Was Set To Play Against AA Royals, Notified He Was Traded To Royals - SB Nation Kansas City
- Aybar, Callaspo 'los hermanos' together again | Sports | Baseball | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California
- Alberto Callaspo's arrival pushes Brandon Wood further down depth chart - latimes.com
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I love the story about Will Smith
being out in BP getting ready to face NW Arkansas when someone went out to tell him he had been traded. Pretty wild.
I’m with you, Will. Getting anything of any value for Bert at this point is a solid investment. I might have tried to move a couple other guys that are blocking more current players before moving Bert, but his days as a starting player here really were numbered. If anything, it makes me think that Dayton is starting to see that opening up spots now for guys in the next couple years isn’t a horrible idea. I may have higher confidence when the next poll rolls around.
I just wish they would’ve traded him last winter instead of now, but oh well. I approve anyway.
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Just read the Halo fans' reactions at their SBN site
Varied, but mostly just angry (are all SBN users so pissed all the time?). I forgot they have Kendrick and Frandsen to play the spot already. Not really sure why they did this, then, unless they see future potential…
Oh well, I still like it for the Royals, at least.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 23, 2010 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
All internet forum commenters are always angry
It’s a weird world.
But I like the trade. Assuming Moustakas is the future (and the Royals kind of have to assume that), Callaspo had no spot on the club in a year. The only position he can play adequately is third, and that will be full. His poor defense means that if he doesn’t start, he has no spot on a team because he can’t be a utility player. I think Callaspo has a few years in front of him of being a league average 3B, so I guess I’d like to have seen a better return for him, but I like the youth and control from the pitchers we got. While neither looks like a star, both look like they’ll be contributors as the big league level, and they’ll come cheap. It will be nice to see Davies have success in the pen.
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Here things trend cynical.
RC tends to be positive (it was trending cynical until something changed recently — now the board seems dominated by the positive posters)
KC Star / Facebook commentators – Angry, but excessively positive
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
Supposedly he's taking a hard look at Francoeur.
Does that count?
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 23, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
and apparently you can add FG to the KC Star group
The comments over there on the Callaspo article were oddly low-brow and empty of content, at least a stretch of 10 comments or so in the middle. One poster calls Callaspo a slick-fielding 3B, then a few comments later someone else calls Gordon a terrible 3B.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Two ok pitching prospects is a decent return for Callaspo at this point
But unfortunately some have referred to O’Sullivan and/or Smith as “top Angels prospects.” They really aren’t. They were not in the Angels offseason top 10 prospect list of BA, BP, Sickels, The Hardball Times, Fangraphs, Diamond Futures, CBS Sports, Top Prospect Alert or Baseball Intellect. Now only a handful of those are, in my opinion, genuinely good prospect analyst sites, but I threw the others in for effect. It just illustrates that basically no one thought either of these pitchers were top Angels prospects before this season and I don’t think either has done anythin in 2010 to change that.
However, the pluses are that they are both decent prospects, they are both still young and both are fairly young for the levels they’ve been pitching at (and for the most part succeeding). So neither blows you away with their talent or track record, but both have been pretty good. And they are young enough to still be some kind of lottery ticket. Probably a $1 scratcher, but that’s still something.
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O'Sullivan was 11th by BA wasn't he, not sure can't find my book? He was 5th in '09
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no
he pitched too many MLB innings in 2009
Not too bad but not highly significant
O’Sullivan looks like he might need another year at Triple-A, but has a little major league starting experience. I assume they’re going to slot him in the rotation and send Lerew down or just cut him. He looks like a possible #4-5 starter. Smith – who knows? He’s a 20-year-old lefty who hasn’t had great results yet. Either could pan out or bust.
Callaspo really isn’t that much to give up; he’s become pretty much interchangeable with Betemit, who is holding Moustakas’s seat at third. Best wishes, Bert. May you relearn how to take a walk. And may Moustakas, Kila, and Gordon start on next year’s team.
So O’Sullivan and Smith plus two seasons of Callaspo are what we got for Buckner. Not a bad deal, since Buckner has not done well, correct?
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Bert cleaned up his act on that front
He’s been well-behaved since he got in big fat trouble that one time. Gotta give the guy some credit for kicking the booze and not kicking his wife.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 23, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Like Calling
A taxi.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 23, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
With all the fares over the past several years
it’s probably more like a rickshaw now.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I really like this trade
Callaspo is the prototypical Royals player that gets overrated by the team. He really has only one skill – hitting for average. He has some decent gap power at times, but he’s a terrible fielder and baserunner. That’s not to say he’s a bad player – he can be a valuable player, but I wouldn’t pay millions of dollars for him. He also was expendable, as he was no longer able to fake it at 2B, and we have Betimet to plug in at third until the Great Moustakas Era begins.
In return we get not one, but two pitchers with decent upside. Neither project as studs (although Smith having a breakthrough wouldn’t be surprising), but both could be nice #3 type starters. Both throw strikes, which is a philosophy we desperately need to adopt in accumulating talent. And O’Sullivan is MLB ready, which is nice since we are about to start a guy named Bryan Bullington.
I think this is one of Dayton’s better trades, and I’d like to see him do this more often.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 23, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The only downside of course
Is that we were only two good weeks away from being in first place, and this hurts our chances.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 23, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I don't see a lot of upside from either pitcher
I think O’Sullivan projects as a back-of-the-rotation starter and Smith projects as a LOOGY (this isn’t their ceiling, but is what I think is their most likely MLB role — eventually). Neither of them has a plus pitch. O’Sullivan has three average pitches, which has value but severely limits his upside. Smith has two average pitches (FB and CB) which can make him an effective reliever against lefties, but that’s about it. Of course, with Smith being only 20, he has time to improve his change up, but that is the hardest pitch to throw in baseball and most pitchers never even bring their change up to average.
So I think the Royals traded Callaspo for two young pitchers who will be cheap, fairly useful pieces.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 23, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
"I think O’Sullivan projects as a back-of-the-rotation starter and Smith projects as a LOOGY (this isn’t their ceiling, but is what I think is their most likely MLB role — eventually). "
I agree with this, and I think you are overestimating how hard it is to find a decent back of the rotation guy and decent LOOGY. Those have value.
And as you state, they have potential, albeit small, to be even better than that.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 23, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Underestimate, not overestimate
Me not good write at.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are underestimating how hard it is to find a decent back of the rotation guy and decent LOOGY
If Sully and Smitty turn out to be a good #5 SP and a good LOOGY, then this will turn out to be a very good trade for the Royals. If they turn into an average #5 SP and a so-so LOOGY, then I don’t like it so much.
But, as I said, given that they are young, cheap and have some reasonable upside potential, I like the return for Callaspo.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 23, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I like Smith better than you guys and Sully worse
d_f and I were discussing Sully’s potential – his take was “O’Sullivan sucks” ;) while mine was that he’s just “bad”. No Ks at any level – that will be tough to overcome. The bright side is that he’s young, so maybe #4/5 is possible.
Smith is a wild card, but a lot of people think he has talent. I suppose LOOGY is probably the most likely outcome, as you say, but the fact that #3 starter is a legit possibility for him makes him a decent return for Callaspo, imo.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone know anything about salaries?
That’s the biggest potential upside I see here. Anything we can do to clear out some salary room is fantastic.
Callaspo is arb eligible next year I believe
Would make between $2-3 million most likely.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
that would be fair
But 2b types tend to get shafted in arb. Maicer
Izturis, roughly comparable to Bert, ended up settling for less than 2M, iirc. Not enough RBIS.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 23, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
sounds about right
Callaspo should do a little better than Izturis due to playing time (which counts in arbitration). I think a decent estimate of his progession through his arbitration years would be ~$2 million/$3-4 million/$5-6 million.
At the time of a trade, a prospect is always a prospect, kindof like Spring Training during a baseball season
It’s full of promise with none of the downside. So, to pretend to look at this from the future, I feel like we just traded Joe Randa for a pair of Mike Woods.
Good trade as long as we don't sign an expensive veteran to play 3rd next year
This is the sort of trade we should be making. I agree with Will that it’s surprising we got this much for Callaspo.
Now we’ll see if GMDM is ok leaving Betemit or some other random guy to play 3rd until Moustakas comes up next September. I fear GMDM can’t help himself and will end up signing Troy Glaus to a 3-year deal this offseason.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 23, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, we were
until you had to go and spoil it by bring his name up.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 23, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Aviles?
low blow… But didn’t he “rehab” at 3B and 2B this year before being allowed to play SS?
how expensive will Aviles be next year?
because Dayton isn’t employing an old bad guy for anythng less than $2.5 million
Just above the minimum salary
Aviles will still be a year away from arbitration.
only one is crappy
and, yes, he is the one who plays 3B and whom the Pirates are likely to non-tender. But he is not old enough, so I would go with Migueal Tejeda. This would also further the 2011-12 Royals turning into the 2010 O’s.
If not Tejeda, I still think Jose Lopez plays the Royals at some time.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
the new pipeline between seattle and kc
although lopez’s uzr numbers need to go down for it to happen
I think I'm o.k. with this.
I’m probably wrong, but I have this feeling that we saw the best Callaspo is going to be last year. Not that he doesn’t still have value, but considering his inevitable displacement from the only position he can play functionally, getting a couple of lottery tickets might be as much as we can hope for.
Part of me wishes we could send O’Sullivan to AAA for a bit, but he very well may be better than Bannister or Davies right now (and he most likely is better than Lerew, sad to say), so he probably goes into the rotation and provides some small improvement. Let the Fresh Prince stay at one level and develop for the rest of the year, and I believe he gets back on track.
I even like plugging Betemit in at 3B for the rest of the year. Might as well see if he can be a pleasant surprise as a stopgap, and nobody has any notion he’ll push off the arrival of Moustakas.
I can’t get all that bothered by the trade, in short, and it might even turn out to be a benefit in the long run. At least we know that Moore remembers how to make midseason trades.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 23, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
Just watch
Callaspo will go Buck on us and have a career year elsewhere. Ex-Royals have a way of thriving on other teams and making us look stupid (as if we needed the help …)
"Going Buck" Is
A term worth preserving, especially if Buck sustains his performance the rest of the season. He showed flashes of offensive potency with us, but he never could perform consistently.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 23, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
"Going Buck" what?
Buck wild? Buck naked?
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 23, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like Brayan's just happy to be able to give out some extra hugs
It really surprised everybody. But this is baseball. This is why it’s such a great game because things like that happen. We wish him nothing but the best and the guys that we get from the Angels. We hope the best for everybody.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
This is a formula for creating a super-villian
Well-intentioned nice guy puts up with everyone’s crap, but eventually he has internalized so much BS that he eventually combusts in a fit of pure rage and fury, never to turn back from the darkness.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't hate the deal but sold low on Callaspo
The concept of the trade was all right. As discussed in the Kris Medlen thread the other day, the Royals could use another starter or two to bridge the next year or two until the top pitching prospects start to arrive and establish themselves in the majors. And using Callaspo as a trade chip makes some sense, as the organization has some depth at 2B/3B and Callaspo’s performance last year is probably about as good as he gets.
That said, the deal is underwhelming. Callaspo is a better hitter than he has performed this year. It still looks like he has sacrificed some contact and patience to hit with more power, but the end result is a less valuable hitter. The Angels might be smart to tell him to forget about hitting for power and just focus on making contact and waiting for the right pitch. Zips has him at 285/332/420, 329 wOBA for the rest of the season, which sounds about right. And he still has the skills to repeat his 2009 season. The sample size at 3B is still pretty small, but he has looked all right and the early returns are encouraging. If he stabilizes at 0 to -5 run 3B, he is still a 2.0-2.5 WAR player. Callaspo’s value was certainly higher in the offseason, and a couple solid months finishing the season could have restored much of that value. Callaspo is also under club control for three more years at reduced prices. The Royals sold low on Callaspo.
The return is all right, but not wholly unlike the return that the Royals could be expected to get for Farnsworth and paying some of his remaining salarly. Smith is certainly interesting, but not exactly a prize. BA noted that he does not really have any plus pitches, and his upside is a number four starter. His minor league K/BB ratio is solid, but the strikeout rate is middling but not unexpected with someone lacking a plus pitch. He has a modest ability to induce grounders (46% career GB%). He did not show a real platoon split in the minors until this year, so if he can hold his own against righties, he has a chance to start or be a lefty reliever who faces more than just strictly other lefties.
O’Sullivan, on the other hand, looks more like roster patch than anything else. O’Sullivan profiles like Brian Bannister without the strikeouts (low strikeout rate, average walk rate). Zips has him at 5.28 FIP the rest of the way. He was pretty neutral on batted balls in the minors (42% GB%), but that dropped to 38% in his brief time in the majors. He needs to find a way to up the strikeouts or groundballs, or reduce the walks, if he is to turn into anything other than generic fifth starter who bounces between the rotation, long relief, and the minors.
by Gopherballs on Jul 23, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think people are overvaluing Callaspo
I think its clear Dayton was shopping Alberto pretty hard this offseason and he couldn’t even pry Felix Pie from the Orioles for him. I like Pie, but he’s pretty much a 4th OF who has a chance to become a nice fielding/no hitting starting CF for a bad team. And that was when Callaspo was coming off his best offensive season, and was further away from arbitration.
The market for Callaspo just isn’t strong. He’s an average to below average third baseman, without the power you’d like from a corner IF spot, and suspect defense (not to mention off the field baggage). To get two pitchers who have a decent chance at being useful, even with limited upside, is a pretty solid haul for him.
At the very worst, I think you can argue its a “meh” deal, but its not a bad deal, and its silly to call it a terrible deal. The best case you can make is that DM should have kept AC because his value to us is greater than his value on the market, but I don’t think you were going to get more than what he got on the trade market. And seeing as how they are hellbent on playing Moose at 3B, and with the emergence of Betimet, it seemed like AC was pretty expendable, and the Royals should be doing all they can do move expendable parts for whatever young value they can get.
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"but its not a bad deal, and its silly to call it a terrible deal. "
Just to be clear, Gopherballs did not call it any of those things, I’m just saying in the abstract to all the Dayton haters who be playin.
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It was a "meh" deal, not a terrible deal
I think people are undervaluing Callaspo based on two bad months of hitting. On June 1, he was hitting 296/324/495. He then hit like TPJ for the month of June (238/278/267) and Bloomquist in July (.262/304/333). That is not his true talent level. He has the skills (excellent contact ability, decent eye, gap power) to be at least a league average hitter with the occasional year above that. A league average hitter who is no worse than -5 runs at 3B is a 2.0 WAR player.
I think you are also underestimating Pie. He is a 25 year-old league average CF with the tools to be better than that. The fact the O’s turned down Pie for Callaspo is more a reflection on Pie’s upside, age, and position than on Callaspo’s trade value. Other than Pie, we do not know what Moore was asking for or what other GMs were willing to give up. I would be surprised if O’Sullivan/Woods was the best Moore could have done then (or even now or in a few months). And again, I was fine with the concept of trading Callaspo, but he was traded at the lowest point of his value. This also might have been a situation where getting quality (one higher regarded pitcher) instead of quantity (two lesser pitchers) might have been better.
Betemit is a decent bench bat, but he is miscast as an everyday 3B.
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That said, if "poor" means something like -5 runs per 150 games, that still makes Callaspo a decently valuable, roughly league average player. A 2.0 WAR player like that would be a blistering 6.9 wins above Brandon Wood’s terrifically abysmal -1.5 WAR in 185 PAs this season, so this should be a significant pickup for Los Angeles.
The pitcher leaving Los Angeles, O’Sullivan (21) and Smith (20), are both young starters with slight promise, but they aren’t system toppers by any means. There is a good chance that each of them turns out to be organizational depth, which certainly isn’t worthless, but given the chance to improve the big league club at a position of extreme need, it’s not a steep price to pay.
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To me Callapso has superior 2b ability in the right system.
.290 high contact BA, underrated fielder, good 2b power high potential due to good batting eye. What is there to dislike? Completely miscast as 3b that put pressure on a 2b to be a 3b, and likely affected performance.
Good trade? I’d say ok, underwhelming. An imaginative GM would package Callapso and do better.
He can play second base, in the sense that
someone can write his name in the lineup with a “2B” next to it. Neither the numbers nor the eyes said Callaspo was an adequate secondbaseman.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 23, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I like callaspo
but he’s been a suprise at 3rd….sorry guys, but he is lost at second….seen him go to first with one out and a runner on first to many times to trust in his fielding at second….It could be he doesn’t trust himself when making those cross body throws back to second when ranging to his left…..just MHO.
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Eyes-based armchair analysis. Clearly, Bert was hurt. I can see no other explanation for his poor showing as a RHB this year. This has been his strength as a batter for his entire career. Just lately, he has been stinging the ball from the right side, and I think his performance will return to normal in LA.
He also was a patient batter when we acquired him, and his ‘09 totals reflect this. This is his first season as a full-time 3B, a traditional power position. I suspect our brain trust has asked him to hit for more power, or he might feel some kind of pressure to do so just from traditional expectations. Batting 5th or (usually) 6th also implies more pop in the bat than Bert has displayed. Because of this, I think it’s reasonable to say he’s pressing. I think Scioscia will tell him to do what he does best, bat him at the top of the order (probably 2nd) and his plate discipline will reappear. His history up to this season is a .350+ OBP, and I think he’ll do that for a few more years.
So, as usual, the Royals were snakebitten. Bert’s value has been depressed by injury and misuse. I’m no expert, but I think he’s worth more than we got for him. Probably not a lot more, but when he becomes 2009 Bert again in LA it’ll sure look that way, at least until the players we got for him start to produce in MLB. If they do.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 23, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Alberto was turning into a classic bad Royals player
He was on the verge of getting older and worse, thus becoming someone Dayton would’ve really liked. If we didn’t move him now, he might’ve been on the team for the next 5 years, consistently getting worse. Hell, if he could get that skin to lighten up he might’ve even acquired some grit (shudder). Best to part ways.
As for the return, sure, why not? What the hell else were we gonna get? I’ll take two decent young arms for a low OBP, slow, questionable defender any day. If either of these pitchers is on our roster in 2 years I’m calling this a win. And I HATE Dayton Moore.















