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@Ken_Rosenthal #Mets talking to #Royals. Names in play from Royals: Meche, Farnsworth, Guillen. From Mets: O. Perez, L. Castillo, Francoeur. (more)

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most hillarious trade ever

there are no winners, there are no losers

by Freneau on Jul 25, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are no winners, for sure

but in the end everyone loses.

Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

by mazoboom on Jul 25, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

there ain't no good guys, there ain't no bad guys

there’s only you and me, and we just disagree… on the level of fail that accompanies this

batter nine you sucky

by marbotty on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I'd say it's a pretty fair deal, regardless of suck.

I just think Meche is done being a solid 1,2,3 pitcher.

by Crooow on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Meche and Perez salaries match

Farnsy and Frenchy salaries match.
Guillen and Castillo – fairly close I think.

Don’t know about years.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 25, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Castillo is signed through next year.

That’s the part I don’t like.

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not accurate at all...

Because neither of those guys think any of those guys are shit

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by averagegatsby on Jul 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAH

Given enough velocity even a pig will fly

by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 26, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is hilarious.

Rec to you sir for making my weekend.

by stram#1 on Jul 25, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they trade for Francouer I think I'm done

I’ll go watch the ORoyals but a Frenchy trade probably means the end of Gordon, who while I’m definitely not sold on is way better than Frenchy.

I wouldn’t mind a Guillen for Frenchy move straight up if it was nothing more than a salary swap and Frenchy wasn’t going to be resigned(ya right) but a Meche-Perez deal is dumb, taking on Castillo is ignorant and giving up Farnsworth for nothing when he is an actual commodity at this time is FUCKING RETARDED.

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by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Anything that FINALLY forces the Royals to give Kila a real chance is fine by me

Also, I know Francoeur mostly sucks – but our OF is completely lopsided with LH bats. Used properly, he might be tolerable placeholder for a year or two.

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by loyal2sdad on Jul 25, 2010 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

no

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Jul 25, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Royals won't use him that way

They would play him everyday, rather than as a platoon.

Yuni made a nice play, so now he doesn't suck anymore. Great.

by hawkinscm87 on Jul 25, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Lesser Half

Of a platoon is the only way he plays well (career LHP split .300 .343 .479 .822), and even then he’s hardly overwhelming.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 26, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's zero chance that the Royals would include Kila …

… because in some weird way I think they actually think of him as “the future”.

But then there’s zero chance the Royals will give time to Kila because they don’t think he “ready” yet.

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by Steve Nelson on Jul 25, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't know it was possible to trade Meche and Guillen and get WORSE

Perez is just as bad as Meche, and getting paid $12M in 2011

Francoeur is arb-eligible and due $6M-ish

Luis Castillo is the shittiest $6M man in baseball until Francoeur gets that raise.

If we’re looking to do a shitty pitcher for shitty pitcher, shitty outfielder for shitty outfielder, spare part for spare part trade, how about Meche/Guillen/Farnsworth for Perez/Beltran/Francoeur, followed by moving Podsednik to an AL East team

You know Dayton is looking for any opening to find a full-time DH for 2011

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The point...

is not to break even on talent and money. The point is to SAVE money and not block our prospects from getting to the big leagues.

Yuni made a nice play, so now he doesn't suck anymore. Great.

by hawkinscm87 on Jul 25, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meche makes $12 million the last two years.

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smells

like crap

Your killin me smalls....

by royalblue69 on Jul 25, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

So why again are we training commodities that might get us something (even if it is just a C prospect)

For a bag of crap? I mean, I know our guys are a bag of crap but why do we have to trade them for the Mets poo poo(sic) platter?

by sterlingice on Jul 25, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Minaya was the guy who made the Kazmir for Zambrano deal, right?

just saying.. Farnsworth for Dillon Gee

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

No

That was Jim Duquette, or Jim Something-or-other.

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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 25, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

fuck

Minaya only does dumb shit like giving Oliver Perez 36/3

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy fuck.....

I shouldn’t be naive, but I just can’t see this…..crap for crap….I don’t think much of GMDM, but he’s not this dumb….any of these straight up would be almost palatable if you squinted real hard, (Guillen for Frenchie, we get younger, Perez for Meche, same, Farny for Castillo…No….the real issue is blocking guys like Kila or Gordon, or in other words, what happened this year)….should be a interesting week….lets hope it isn’t tragic.

by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jul 25, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not the same.

We want to unload salaries, not replace them with equally worthless contracts.

Yuni made a nice play, so now he doesn't suck anymore. Great.

by hawkinscm87 on Jul 25, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

DM isn’t gonna chop payroll that quickly

granted, DM’s spending of money does justify him being handcuffed on the ML payroll

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This deal makes zero sense for either side...

I don’t get any upside for either group. And this move only guarantees that Kila will never wear a Royals uniform again.

C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell

by averagegatsby on Jul 25, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

either side? please it makes tons of sense for the Mets

Meche is better than Perez, Guillen and Farny are decent rental options…GMDM should be assassinated if this goes down.

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by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Assassination would be going way too far

But if anyone has any pals in the CIA, maybe we can spirit him off to one of those secret prisons in like Romania where they stick terrorists they have no good evidence against. Or if anyone has any pals on the other side, they could kidnap Dayton, ship him off to South Waziristan, and hold him incommunicado in a cave for a few years.

If we get real lucky Osama will take him on as a top advisor, and Al Qaeda will be wiped out within months, as Dayton continually sends out failed suicide bombers who were never any good on the major-league jobs, while holding the up-and-coming young terror brigades in the minor leagues up in Afghanistan.

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by Juancho on Jul 26, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

inb4 kcscoliny is arrested

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by BHWick on Jul 26, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want to read to much into the Rosenthal tweet.

But he says the Mets are talking to the Royals. Maybe the Mets are initiating contact and the Royals are just listening. Everyone knows that Guillen and Farnsy are available and it would appear the Meche might be also. Maybe this is what the Mets offered the Royals. In a perfect world, another interested party might drive up the price a little for these pieces in a trade to a different team.

That’s all I got.

by Chyladin on Jul 25, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

fwiw

Heyman is now talking about the same thing

by Freneau on Jul 25, 2010 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

link me.

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

sadly

that is exactly what the thought process appears to be

by Freneau on Jul 25, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

we get to send Gordon back to AAA for more seasoning

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would Perez for Meche be that bad?

They have the same contract. We know Meche is done, maybe Perez bounces back for half a season in a new environment and then we can move him next July.

by Mr. Jones on Jul 25, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Any bounce back he would have...

would be offset by switching leagues.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 25, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perez is getting $12M and is worse than Meche

how the fuck did Oliver Perez ever get $12M?

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will finally see

what happens when a stoppable force collides with a movable object

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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jul 25, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT

Having these Premiere League teams play MLS teams IS GENIUS!

I may have to check the British papers for their reaction to Man U losing to KC Wiz

C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell

by averagegatsby on Jul 25, 2010 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It's just a friendly, and Man U played mostly their second string

Don’t read anything into it.

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by Juancho on Jul 26, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know... And I said something along the lines...

The Wiz beating this version of Man U would be like the Royals beating the Yankees without having Teixiera, Cano, and Jeter.

C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell

by averagegatsby on Jul 26, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Castillo only makes sense if

DM thinks that winning teams are only built by getting lots of crappy vets who have World Series rings

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I Like That

Way too much. Blue tarps are an institution in Alaska.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 26, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm okay with parts of the deal

However, I don’t want to add Castillo’s contract through 2011. Perez for Meche, big deal. We’d probably get more out of Perez than we will Meche because I still think Meche’s labrum is about to go…. Farnsi for Francouer… um… unless we can get more, why not?

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Because He'd Play

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 26, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Royals leaked this to Rosenthal to drive up the prices for

JoGui, Meche, and Farnsi… gotta be, right?

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:10 PM EDT reply actions  

or to make any other deal look like a win

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is that I'm totally baffled about how to raze Dayton

Because the matter of what is the most direct and requires the fewest assumptions totally depends on what assumptions about Dayton you start with.

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by Steve Nelson on Jul 25, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alternate horrifying perspective

Dayton has given up trying to reassemble the 2005 Mariners and is trying to instead make a team of 2007 NL East castoffs.

Too be fair these guys were good in 2007. Which incidentally is also the last year that any of them were above average.

"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.

by RoyalPug on Jul 25, 2010 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Now We're Talkin'

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Jul 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

crap. Wrong link.
7:33pm: Talks between the Mets and Royals are fluid, though it doesn’t appear that Guillen will be headed to Queens, says Andy Martino of the New York Daily News (via Twitter). It seems that if Guillen is dealt elsewhere, then Kansas City would be interested in Francoeur, Martino adds (via Twitter).

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way it looks....

The Royals are exploring getting Francouer when they trade JoGui. That would be the end of Mitch… correct?

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

It would surely be the end of me...

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by AtTheWall on Jul 25, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be the end of me as in I'm sick of it

Pods, Guillen, Frenchy, Ankiel, Mitch, Gordon, Bloomquist looks like this probably

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by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Gordon

Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed

by Top Ramen on Jul 25, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting Francouer just means that I'm gonna be focusing on my OOTP game a lot more..

and ignoring “real” baseball a lot more….acquiring Frenchy is absolutely unacceptable under ANY conditions

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Jul 25, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

At least we can have faith that

this team can take a player with a poor approach at the plate and improve it.

by wildthang on Jul 25, 2010 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Positive spin

Someone has to provide some realistic optimism here.

Oliver Perez is 3 years young than Gil Meche and is a left handed starter. In my opinion, regardless of current production, the Royals win this.

Perez throws harder, and again, a southpaw, and three years younger.

Guillen vs. Francoeur

Guillen is an old, lazy bum who can’t run and sucks.

Francoeur is a better fielder, is 8 years younger than Guillen and can still hit, maybe he just needs a change of scenery?

Luis Castillo vs Kyle Farnsworth

Really no idea why this is being considered, but a healthy Castillo would be a huge upgrade over Getz.

The Royals should be after a prospect for Farnsworth.

by Peterman700 on Jul 25, 2010 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

can still hit?

then why the fuck hasn’t he hit since 2007?

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

totally false

everything i said there is true.

by Peterman700 on Jul 25, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the number of changes of scenery equal to the number of positions Gordon needs to try

so they both can hit, if so maybe KC is on to something. Or they have another pile of crap

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by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess visiting every NL city over the course of the year isn't enough.

Frenchy just needs to see all the AL cities before this “change of scenery” effect sets in.

by AxDxMx on Jul 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hear ya

he’s still young enough to improve.

that’s all i’m saying.

by Peterman700 on Jul 25, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, 800 games and 3300 PAs isn't enough to prove who he is yet

People want to bury Alex Gordon for 348 games and 1400 plate appearances, you really think Frenchy can improve? I suppose he could always learn how to suck more efficiently.

by AxDxMx on Jul 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mailmen are usually fairly skinny

They do a lot of walking…

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by 306008 on Jul 25, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was reading this thread and just waiting for you to dive in

And you didn’t disappoint, either. Very nice.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Player A, 2007 to 2010: .267/.312/.405, stats per 162 are 111K/36 BB, 16 HR, 35 doubles
Player B, 2007 to 2010: .247/.330/.410, stats per 162 are 144K/64 BB, 18 HR, 37 doubles

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 PM EDT reply actions  

B's got a nice OBP for such a bad average.

Makes me think he’s salvageable, especially because part of the problem there is an injury history.

by AxDxMx on Jul 25, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring it. Nothing is throwing me at this point.

Franceour? Fine. Let’s get it done. We’ll all share some laughs, and really whats the harm? Did any of you think the eventual replacements Dayton found for our current scrubs were actually going to be good?

Whoever he brings in is going to be old and bad anyway, so why not Franceour? Wouldn’t that at least give a weird kind of satisfaction? Like, we knew this was going to happen.

by big matt on Jul 25, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

That's supposed to be worst case scenario joke, not weirdly satisfying.

This is it. This is worst case scenario, and we have the worst GM in baseball.

by AxDxMx on Jul 25, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

shouldn't the Astros GM have a strong case for worst GM too?

how the fuck do you have that bad of an offensive team in a bandbox?

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

you

really are a negative person.

all you do is complain and whine.

by Peterman700 on Jul 25, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

9/10

 on this site are negative people. Who only know about sabermetrics and have no actual baseball knowledge from actually playing the game. Unless its on their Xbox. FACT

Your killin me smalls....

by royalblue69 on Jul 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, is there really anyone who can take a walk in a video game?

I just go up there Royally hacking at the first pitch all the time.

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by mazoboom on Jul 26, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always take first pitch...

But rarely do I have an inning where I see more than 10 pitches

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by averagegatsby on Jul 26, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've slowly upped my average to about 15 pitches per inning.

I look mostly fastball, but a changeup or curveball that hangs is getting mashed out of the yard. You have to be really patient and not be afraid to hit with 2 strikes.

by AxDxMx on Jul 26, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had Billy challenging a .400 batting average for a while

but then went on a 1-14 streak that killed it. Burrell has 68 HR’s so far with about 12 games left. I was able to get him straight up for Guillen.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I simmed to 2013

The prospects are starting to break through. I had Gordon batting .374 til he went down with injury for 3 weeks. He’s back, but his average is down to .350. My payroll is under $90M and I’m in first by 7 games after bringing up the rear of the division in 2010,11,and 12.

by AxDxMx on Jul 26, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's hard not to be negative

when your team has had one winning season in the last 20 years and is currently playing about .430 baseball, one game above last place in the division. And when your general manager seems more interested in bringing zombie players back from the dead than giving still-human players a chance to keep their brains intact without being eaten, it’s even harder.

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by Juancho on Jul 26, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, why could we POSSIBLY be negative all the time about the Royals

I mean..we have two really good players, what more can we want!?!?!!?

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Jul 26, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

We are trained to be negative. If Moore had done anything to teach us that he learns from errors and won’t repeat them, we might feel differently. It’s like you’re driving down a hill at 100 mph and your brakes go out – you’re screwed and there’s nothing you can do about it but watch it happen.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you can understand this (no sabermetrics allowed)

Perez has had an ERA under 5.47 4 times in his career: 2002,2004,2007,2008

Perez’s ERA has been 6.82 and 6.15 for 2009 and 2010. You hate Kyle Davies, but you want to give this guy a chance? Davies at least has his 2009/10 ERA under 6.

People hated Teahen because of the promise he flashed, and then gave us nothing. Teahen is 28 years old now, 2 years older than Frenchy. Let’s compare Teahen and Francouer’s batting lines.

Teahen: .268/.331/.417
Frenchy: .269/.310/.426

Batting average is essentially the same, Teahen loses a bit in SLG to Francouer, but beats him easily in OBP. If you hated Teahen, you’ll hate Francouer just as much. Teahen is older, but Francouer has almost 400 more plate appearances!

Remind me again why we want to trade for more of the crap we’ve already had?

by AxDxMx on Jul 26, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, OBP and SLG is sabermetrics to Frenchy defenders.

but your AVG argument still stands!

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by mazoboom on Jul 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frenchy is the OF version of Yuniesky

terrible range with occasional flash, with a terrible OBP.

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by averagegatsby on Jul 26, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Good God

Where do these people come from? Facebook?

by JSouth on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

KC Star commenters.

Or maybe yahoo, since RR is linked on there now.

by AxDxMx on Jul 26, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity, if you have a heart attack someday, which of the following are you going to consult to diagnose your situation and to perform surgery on you?

A) A cardiologist
B) A person who had a heart attack

If A, why?

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by D.Szymborski on Jul 26, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ideally

A cardiologist who is also a member of Bill Swerski’s Superfans.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 26, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm mainly thinking of the laughs I'll have reading about Franceour on this and other sites

And if you really want Dayton gone, predictable, embarrassing moves should be good, no? Eventually even someone like David Glass would have to realize the rest of the league is clowning on Dayton.

by big matt on Jul 25, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's just it though.

I really don’t want my team to be a laughingstock for the next 10 years again. It’s been bad enough for the last 10. There’s light at the end of the tunnel, but DM seems to want to drag us back to hell.

by AxDxMx on Jul 25, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worst at evaluating Free Agent Hitting Talent

Hands down

- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …

by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which would you prefer?

Gordon-DDJ-Frenchy or Pods-DDJ-Gordon? Just thinking about the 2011 OF.

by Dadunca on Jul 25, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

also

if you need a change of scenary after a year with a team, then you’re usually a shitty ballplayer (or you’ve pissed off the populace). Considering that Frenchy is angling for his second change of scenary in 2 years, he’s either bad at baseball, or Lyle Lanley

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by BHWick on Jul 25, 2010 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this can't be true...

i’ll withhold judgment until something actually happens, but if it goes down like this….fire DM

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 25, 2010 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish I hadn't read this right before bed

nightmares for me tonight!

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by buddyball on Jul 25, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

It all just keeps coming back to OBP...

If Francouer becomes a Royal the problem isn’t that he’s been bad for three years that I have a problem with. In my opinion the Royals need to acquire guys who have been bad and are thus out of favor. But Francouer is bad in precisely the wrong way. The problem with going after guys like Betancourt and Francoeur and Guillen is that even at their best they lack the single most important skill an offensive player can have. They don’t get on base enough. It’s so freaking simple but it doesn’t seem like Dayton gets that yet.

by billexgordler on Jul 25, 2010 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah.

Also, those other guys would sign in KC. Right…

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by 306008 on Jul 26, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

OMG no

Perez and Meche part are wash, but I would keep Meche because he at least has had one productive season.

Farnsworth – Done after this year – Castillo – Still owed 6 million for next year

Guillen – owed for half of this season Frenchy – Hopefully released, but could be kept with arb for 6 million

All the players basically suck. With the trade, we will be paying for Castillo and probably for next. This is just plain dumb.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 25, 2010 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

The Castillo trade is the worse part is absolutely the worst part of this deal. Farny should be able to return

at least a B/C prospect like Dan Cortes was at the time of the deal last year and the Ms got a throw in on top. Castillo is worse than Getz who shouldn’t start over Aviles, adding a 3rd string 2b for 6M is flat ignorant. I personally was hoping for Chris Dickerson doesn’t have a chair in Cinci, Pods/Farny would probably be enough for him. Not gonna happen

You know they’ll keep Frenchy for next year and what’s the point of adding Frenchy when AGordon needs ABs

Meche for Perez-isn’t terrible as they make the same and maybe Perez could work out of the pen and provide some production

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by kcscoliny on Jul 25, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mariners are totally ready to get rid of Jose Lopez …

… come on folks, there’s got to be some three-way scenario that results in José Lopez ending up in KC, reunited with YuBet. With Callaspo gone, the Royals need some ex-Mariner to fill in. With experience at both 2B and 3B, Lopez is the perfect fit.

And the Double Play Twins will once again be united!!!!

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by Steve Nelson on Jul 25, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm hoping this rumor falls under the 95% speculation

that never happens.

Farnsworth for Castillo is foolish even for Dayton. KC needs to be looking to get younger, not be saddled with extensions of bad contracts.

Worse things could happen than Frenchy for Guillen. I’d rather see KC just release Guillen than pick up Frenchy now.

Meche for Perez – what’s the point? At least Meche wants to pitch and isn’t a jerk.

by daveyork on Jul 25, 2010 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I like this trade...

except the part about us getting the same guys we are trying to get rid of. That part makes no sense at all. Infact this whole senerio makes no sense, but it does involve two of the worst GM’s in sports swaping equally shitty players and (it looks like) equally shitty contracts.

I hate to say it…but….keep Guillen and Farnzy? Ugh, that didn’t feel very good.

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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 26, 2010 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. At this point, keep them now instead of adding more shit in their spot.

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by Warden11 on Jul 26, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

It all makes sense

They’re trying to show us the alternative, which will make us happier with what we have.

Touche, Dayton.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a Met fan, I'm happy there's another GM

that wants Francoeur; as a fellow human being, I apologize.

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by firejerrynow on Jul 26, 2010 6:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

My wishful thinking post?

From Mets: O. Perez, L. Castillo, Francoeur. (more)

Does that “more” mean something? Maybe it means a prospect. Baseball writers only talk about major leaguers involved in a deal if it’s that many names.

Without anything “more” this move is obviously a fail for the Royals because of the extra year of monetary commitment. But if there’s some sort of prospect hidden here, does it make it worth it?

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by mazoboom on Jul 26, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't get it

Despite the widely-known love DM has for Frenchy, I just don’t know on what planet the Minaya would be on to even be interested in Guillen, Farnsworth, or Meche. Guillen would only help the Mets if they turn their season around, get into contention, and are serious about playing him in the field over, say Jason Bay. Then you’d have to move Angel Pagan over to LF.

Farnsworth makes sense, if the Mets think they are in contention. Maybe Farnsworth for Frenchy is something that this could all boil down to, if the Royals ship off JoGui somewhere else.

Meche and O. Perez are expensive damaged goods that no team in their right mind should be looking to acquire. I don’t even need to go down the Castillo road.
  
Farnsworth for Francouer is probably the only combo I could understand. Wouldn’t like it, but I could see that coming.

by Tito42 on Jul 26, 2010 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

The only comment for this is

The Royals were the ones who killed the talks.

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by 306008 on Jul 26, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

From Rosenthal on Twitter:

Hearing #Royals aren’t enamored of possible #Mets deal. What, no Ollie? #MLB

"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."

by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

He's heard of the contest

And is bowing out because he believes Omar’s already won with Frenchy, Ollie, Castillo, etc.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank you JESUS

thank you Lord

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by sm7600 on Jul 26, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jayson Stark updates us:

“All that Ollie Perez/JeffFrancoeur/Gil Meche/Jose Guillen #Mets-#Royals talk has been fun. But source says KC has “no interest.”"

Thank you sweet baseball Jesus.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Wonder if he opened up to chapter 6 section 3

“How to act disinterested while remaining massively interested”

by wildthang on Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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