David DeJesus's injury
by cmkeller on Jul 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT
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PrintIs there any manner in baseball of stopping play when it's clear that a player has gotten injured? Im thinking of Friday night when Jeter hit the ball that DDJ hurt himself jumping up to field it. So, the player closest to the ball clearly goes down hurt and Jeter just happily rounds the bases, and the umpires are powerless to say "ball is dead" or some such?
That "inside-the-park home run" felt way cheap to me (and it's not like the Yankees have so little talent they need to use cheap shots to win). On the other hand, if the ball is still in play, Jeter has an obligation to hustle himself as far around the bases as he can. But could/should the umps have stopped play due to injury?
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good point
seeing as how he clearly would have made the catch. Also did this go against Dave’s errorless streak?
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
Even if he couldn't have caught it on the fly
he could have picked it up and thrown it in to the infield before Jeter made it all the way around the bases, if he hadn’t been injured.
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Wasn't an error.
He had the ball caught until his thumb gave out, then the glove just couldn’t hold it.
thanks
I didn’t think that it was but wasn’t 100% sure.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
I'm pretty sure Jeter got credit for the homer.
Watching the game there was no mention of an error. DDJ did everything he could to make the play and came up short because of injury.
Its a fair point
But I’m afraid you may begin to see European soccer style flopping just to stop a play.
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I hadn't thought of this
But it would definitely be a problem. It would escalate a cascade of “did he actually hurt himself or not” rulings and definitions that could really negatively impact the game. After watching too much diving in soccer and basketball (and I suppose when batters act like they’ve been hit), it would kill me to see this used on defense.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 26, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
it wouldn't be fun at all
because you know the Yankees and Red Sox would play this out to the full extent of possibility and their games would last 7 hours instead of 5 hours.
Are we the team to beat in 2010? I sure think so! Go Chiefs.
You place the umpires in an impossible situation
First in deciding if it is an injury in a very short period of time from 350 feet away.
Second in deciding where to place the runner. It would be entirely unfair for Jeter (in this case) to have his hit taken away from him. So where do you put him? Second? Third? That would probably cause more arguments than it solves.
I'd say same as a ground rule double
2nd if he hasn’t yet reached second, next base if he’s already past second.
Just like when the ball is dead for other reasons, e.g., fan interference.
As for putting the umpires in an impossible situation – how so? If they can spot a fan touching the ball over the outfield fence, they can’t spot a fielder crumpling to the ground holding his hand in pain?
The obvious solution to the faked-injury, or exaggerated-minor-injury problem is that the player in question must come out of the game. No team wants to be replacing their starters with their scrubs, and allowing the opposing team an automatic man on second (or next base) in order to stop play when in play could instead continue, possibly to their advantage, with the better (or at least preferred at the moment) player still in the lineup.
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But if the player is legitimately hurt
But just temporarily? I’ve seen lots of guys bang their hands or knees on the wall, go down in pain…and then stay in the game.
Its a situation that happens so rarely, I don’t think you really need a rule change for it. If guys are backing up propertly its not an issue. Only very rarely will you have a instance where there is a ball in the corner and a guy hurts himself and no one else can get to it in time.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 26, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No way
The obvious solution to the faked-injury, or exaggerated-minor-injury problem is that the player in question must come out of the game. No team wants to be replacing their starters with their scrubs, and allowing the opposing team an automatic man on second (or next base) in order to stop play when in play could instead continue, possibly to their advantage, with the better (or at least preferred at the moment) player still in the lineup
You’re putting a major decision in the umpires hands. Suppose arod goes down holding his hand. Who says the Yankees would want the game stopped and arod to come out just to stop a single run from scoring? Maybe arod is ok and could continue playing, but now he doesn’t get to anymore because the umpire decided, in a quick judgement call, that he is injured. If not his hand, what if the wind is just knocked out of him or something minor that causes him only to be unable to play for a few moments? The umpire has no way to know right away what the Yankees would prefer, and has to make that decision FOR them.
In the other cases you list, there is no other way a play could continue. You can’t grab a ball from a fan. You can’t jump a fence for a ball. If a player is injured, another player on the field can go get the ball. It’s not the batter/runners fault a player gets injured.
Fine
then have someone in the dugout – manager, coach, or trainer – request an injury time-out at the time. It’s their job to watch their players on the field, they know to not make the request unless they’re willing to pay the price.
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Well then see below
Coaches could call the injury time at a key point to prevent a run
They could
but the penalty of losing one of their better players for the rest of the game should prevent abuse of the tactic.
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Im talking 8th/9th inning
If this happened in the playoffs…shitstorm
Game is still ongoing
it’s a chance they’re still taking. Maybe a bit slimmer, but they could still regret it.
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Hand of God?
Much like the recent handball by Uruguay to give them a chance to defeat Ghana, this could be used to stop a game to give your team a chance to win from certain defeat. I think the alternative is worse than what’s going on right now. A good team will be backing up the play anyway.
I can't think of a situation where a live play would be stopped simply because of an injury
A hit by pitch injury would stop play, but that’s already a dead ball.
As said above, there would be abusers of this rule, and there should be players there to back up plays in most situations anyway.
That is
exactly what I think too.
If he breaks his leg running in for the ball, falls over, and it goes to the wall, you are not asking everyone to stop play to help him out unless it is a beer league softball game. The other OF players are there to back him up.
Interestingly
Several years ago I saw DDJ hit an inside-the-park home run when Detroit LF Rondell White was injured on the play. Same situation.
Don't remember that
Was that in the game that we beat the Tigers 26-something? (and then they shut us out in game 2 of that doubleheader?)
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This can of worms would cause more problems
than it would solve.
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