Podsednik/May/Pimentel Link Roundup
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- Royals trade Scott Podsednik to the Dodgers for two minor-leaguers - KansasCity.com
- Podsednik traded to Dodgers for C Lucas May and P Elisaul Pimentel " Royals Prospects
- The Scott Podsednik Trade: Kansas City’s Perspective | FanGraphs Baseball
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So Dayton, did you get the right Pimentel this time?
Anything for Scotty Pods is a win. Go Dayton, go!
Will, Thanks for putting in the long hours during Christmas in July
Keep up the great work!
Everyone who bashes Kendall..... he is a damn good catcher. Very smart behind the plate. He has great BAT CONTROL, which makes him a good top of the order hitter.
I'm a proud "studs fag" since 6/20/2010... are you?
Dear God Dayton... Found this gem in the KC Star link
"Without the assurance that we were going to be able to sign him long-term going forward," general manager Dayton Moore said, "we just felt it was the right time to move Scotty if indeed we got a deal that we desired."
Really? A long term deal huh?
by AxDxMx on Jul 29, 2010 2:17 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
So is this like dodging a bullet train
when your blindfolded and unawares?
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope this is just routine PR garbage
While most of the people here approve of the trade, the overwhelming response from “mainstream” fans (read: Facebook commenters) seems to be negative. Got to say something to appease the masses, right?
Overgay is Destiny
I hope that's all this was
I realize Scotty went above expectations with the bat this year, but his defense was still terrible.
BUT HE WUZ R BEST PLAYER!
And this is rather encouraging as well
Moore indicated the club expects to clear playing time for Omaha first baseman Kila Ka’aihue in the near future. That points to heightened efforts to trade outfielder/designated hitter José Guillen prior to Saturday’s nonwaiver deadline.
"It’s important to get Kila on our club and create opportunities," Moore said. "I’m not saying it going to happen (today), but we expect it to happen very shortly."
Jose will either be traded or released. Hopefully DM can get something for him.
This is why I wasn't freaking out that Kila wasn't called up
I didn’t see the quote, but the straight meaning of it was what caught me. It was an obvious sign that there’s likely more to come.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 29, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll have to see it to believe it.
I hope it finally happens.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I'm trying to be positive about it
I’m so negative about everything else he does, but I’m working hard to not lose a little hope.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 29, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I just don't have any faith in the organization make a real effort to give Kila MLB at bats.
Just seen this too many times.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Yeah I'm thinking the same way as you, Warden.
Something about this feels kind of different though…Dayton has clearly seen “the light” in some regard and is unquestionably trying to get younger with the MLB club.
It’s like he’s figured out that this (and probably next) season is OVER.
On the other hand,
DM tried to turn JoGui into Frenchy, which would have left exactly how much playing time for Kila?
Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?
by royalsroyalsroyals on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
According to Moore, the Royals were not interested in Francouer
not sure I believe it fully, but whatever. It was an official statement.
Ah, had not heard that.
Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?
by royalsroyalsroyals on Jul 29, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyways, that would have blocked Gordon not Kila
No way Frenchie doesn’t play in the field if we got him, but I doubt DM is really that interested
CLUBHOUSE CONFUSION!
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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yay for Dayton.
Guillén will not be released, since we’d have to pay him anyway. Dayton can get something for him, if only a 4-A reliever.
Goodbye, Pods. You gave it your best, we’ll all admit that, even if your best isn’t very good. Hope you get to go to the playoffs.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
The links posted
generally agree that this was a good deal for the Royals. The Dodger and Giant blogs think that May could play in the majors next year as a mediocre starter or a good backup, and that Pimentel could be pretty good in about three years.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
I think this deal can be win/win for Royals and Dodgers,
based mostly on how willing the Dodgers are to compete RIGHT NOW. Their ownership may be in shambles and who knows if they can keep up the payroll in the coming seasons, so shipping off a few “maybe” prospects for a player who helps them now could easily be a “win” for the Dodgers.
'The Writers Junction'
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not going to help them that much
Pods’s only tool is that he can slap-hit for average well enough to OBP .350. Mediocre (often lousy) fielder, steals a lot but gets caught too much, no power, old and getting older, bleak major-league future.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
I'm not saying he's good, but he's better than what they could get off the scrap heap
although i think i read that some people were saying that they had some guys in the minors who would be just as good as Pods
'The Writers Junction'
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Pods is the definition of the scrap heap
Though he’s not as bad as Kendall and Yuni, who are truly atrocious.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
I saw May play last week
And was reading Dodger blogs before that to check up on Albuquerque’s prospects. It was a pretty agreed-upon idea that May is a fringe starter and solid backup and his numbers/scouting seems to back that up. I’m good with that.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 29, 2010 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions
May's MLE has 552 OPS for his career, but 667 for 2009 and 620 for 2010
certainly not great, but not awful if he can sharpen his defense (and maybe platoon against lefties).
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi
'The Writers Junction'
in Santa Monica, CA
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 3:46 AM EDT reply actions
that's his MLE (as in, reduced from his actual OPS)
he wasn’t a very good hitter overall – just the past couple seasons
'The Writers Junction'
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Major League Equivalent
It’s an attempt to predict how a minor league players batting stats will translate to the MLB level.
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
MLEs do not really "predict" how a player would perform in the majors (like projection systems do)
This is a oversimplistic generalization, but MLEs take a player’s numbers from a certain league and apply certain mathmatical adjustments to those numbers based on how players who have played in both leagues have collectively performed. In other words, if a player hit 10 HRs in the Texas League, how many runs would that translate to in the AL (which would likely be less than 10)?
They do not really predict how a player would perform, as they only take the player’s current season numbers and translate them without adjusting for regression/luck, age, or skill.
I had been looking at those numbers
and was struck by the favorable home splits he has enjoyed the past two seasons. He’s not much of an offensive prospect, seeing as he struggles in neutral minor league settings, and by all accounts he doesn’t yet know how to catch. Hurray for a willingness to part with Pods, unless DM was serious about wishing to have locked him up longer, but I would stop short of calling May a major league backup — he probably isn’t even that, especially since you can find genuine catch-and-throw specialists any year at close to the minimum. Pimentel might be the better acquisition.
Baseball's that swingy stick game, right?
by royalsroyalsroyals on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
All he needs is Kendall's tutelage to become a gritty field commander
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Leadership, makeup, gamer, plays the game the right way...
and probably sucks at being a MLB catcher.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He Could Be
This good though, right?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 29, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just so happy
It’s like a bunch of dead weight is falling off of my shoulders.
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 29, 2010 3:54 AM EDT reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/royals-open-to-making-more-deals.html
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
Hardball Talk: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/dodgers-acquire-outfielder-scott-podsednik-from-royals.php
This is the first post I’ve seen that said that Dayton got the Dodgers and Giants in a bidding war for Scotty Pods, of all players. Way to go, Dayton!
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
That Call to the Pen article is really pretty great
That told me a lot, some of which I had read already, but most of which opened my eyes a bit more to just what we acquired.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
Just clearing out the spare pods grit for the Francoeur gravel mountain
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jul 29, 2010 8:10 AM EDT reply actions
hope Baltimore likes their salads gritty and peppery
cause we just set our grinders to “COARSE”
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jul 29, 2010 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If Moore can move Guillen (even throwing in all of his remaining salary), then this will be a good July for Moore
The haul for his trades haven’t been huge, but he got appropriate value for the players traded. If he can get rid of Guillen and then move Kila up and get him in the lineup almost everyday, then Moore will have taken a nice step in the right direction. Of course Guillen should have been traded for nothing or relased months ago (March).
The immoderate moderator
I just like the value in years at the very least
Trading one year (or rather, the rest of this year) of Pods for 6 years of May and control over prospects is a good deal, as is getting two very young pitchers under team control for Callaspo. I like both those guys, but the trades just net some contract value if nothing else.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 29, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
can someone please enlighten me
as to the meaning/origin of “studs fag” and “anal goe”? i’ve been around here for a while and have never been able to discern what these mean. thanks!
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions
“anal goe” is old. I believe it came from a misspelling of “analogue” 2 or so years ago. Either NHZ or devil_fingers. Or both. Or it was just scissoring.
“studs fag” is more recent. It comes from a quote of an extremely intelligent Royals fan on the Royals Facebook page. In an inspired defense of players such as Yuni, Kendall, and Guillen, one user said “screw off! all those guys are studs fag!”
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
Or it was just scissoring.
It’s always scissoring with those two.
And that anonymous facebook guy is a fucking genius.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
NHZ quit being a Royals fan I take it, he makes a cameo appearance once or twice a year
but must have decided to quit slummin it with the losers, silly Red Sox fans probably are required to do that from time to time to see how the other side lives.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
Maybe it's like being required to serve in your country's military.
Don't Stop Believing!
He might just be a semi-retired RR poster
I don’t know that he’s quit the Royals.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
...
what's the difference?
'The Writers Junction'
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
anal goe
analogue was my best guess, so glad to see i was in the neighborhood
so the guys was saying, “they are studs, you fag”? i’m laughing now.
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh
I thought it was a misspelling of “analogy”?
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 29, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That's My Best
Recollection, and I think it was Klaassen.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 29, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Dayton Moore really be the worst GM in the league
If he can get two minor leaguers of value for Scott Podsednik?
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
At least he went 1-for-2 in trading players with single-year deals
If he can find some sucker to take Ankiel, he’ll come out looking like a brilliant guy.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Power bat off the bench, can play OF (but I wouldn't call it that)
We’ll take a bag of balls for him.
And even pitch in an emergency!
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
The Royals don't rebuild
They just reload
Overgay is Destiny
by DCRoyals on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I Love That
My typo lives on in your sig.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
No lipstick on this pig
Don't Fuccop Succop
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 29, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair deal
May is kind of interesting as a work in progress backstop. Unfortunately, it looks like he is out of options (Dodgers purchased his contract after the 2007 season), so he will have to stick with the big club next spring or else be exposed to waivers.
It looks like Pimentel would not have to be added to the 40-man roster until next year, so the Royals should get to see if his performance holds up once he gets out of the Midwest League, an extreme pitchers’ league before having to make the first big decision on him.
it looks like he is out of options (Dodgers purchased his contract after the 2007 season), so he will have to stick with the big club next spring or else be exposed to waivers.
Whither (even further) Brayan Pena?
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
well, Brayan has had experience as the third of three catchers on the Royals...
'The Writers Junction'
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
13 pitchers and 3 catchers
Dayton Moore knows how to think outside the box. And by “the box,” I mean “rational decision making and sound roster construction.”
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That "box"
is SO confining, though.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It's worse than being in a glass box of emotionl
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't used nearly enough around here
It captures my emotions during so many Royals games pretty accurately.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
NYRoyal breaking out a gif?
Crazy times at RoyalsReview.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
We're through the looking glass, people
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 30, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sickels 2010 Dodgers rankings
17) Lucas May, C, Grade C: Made progress with the bat, but he was repeating the level and defense is still an issue with 20 passed balls in 65 games.
Pimentel wasn’t listed in the Top 20 or the dozen or so “others” with a C rating. This seemed a bit odd, but Sickels also noted that the Dodgers are strong on the pitching side and that these ratings were extremely preliminary.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/12/26/1220274/los-angeles-dodgers-top-20
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
I get the sense that Pimentel was not really on the "prospect" radar
until he posted the 9.7 K/9 rate this year, his first year in full season ball. Before this year, he only pitched in complex and rookie leagues, was an international signee (who create less buzz than domestic players who go through the draft process), was a little old for his level, and as Baseball America has noted, lacked noteworthy stuff.
Yikes, I was hoping that May was at least a good defensive catcher
But alas, no. I’m actually more happy with the acquisition of Pimentel than May. It looks like May has gotten to the top level of the minors and doesn’t really perform particularly well there. Those guys rarely go on to be useful major leaguers. I guess he’s minor league catching depth. Meh.
Pimentel is at least a young pitcher with some upside potential. He has the time to become perhaps a useful reliever. Maybe.
Still a good trade for the Royals given what they lost.
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What concerns me most about May
is that Dayton is obviously going to have he and Pena compete for the 2011 backup job, and that May could win without the Royals ever having given Brayan a chance. Or even worse, with Pena being a first-year arb guy, Dayton just non-tendering him.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think one of the two of them is gone by Opening Day 2011
The Jason Kendall signing is the gift that just keeps on giving.
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by Scott McKinney on Jul 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Have we checked our shitters lately honey?
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayton is working on it
Which is only fair, since he’s the one that filled them.
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Im still astounded by this trade
It exemplifies everything this board wants in a trade – dealing an aging veteran who is over performing for young prospects. If this May guy is half as good as Carlos Santana he will still be better than Kendall..
Podsednik was a good player for the Royals and was really the only one playing well this past series vs the Yankees.
Gordon has absolutely no excuses left. I WANT THIS BOARD TO BE ON HIM IF HE FAILS. IF NOT GREAT! MORE IMPORTANTLY THIS GIVES KILA THE OPPORTUNITY HE DESERVED A LONG TIME AGO.
My eyes were shot from an intense video game and I was coming off a bong hit but I was literally shocked and had to re read the article in which Moore talks about giving Kila a shot. I was like WE"VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW!!!!!
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 29, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
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