Royals Trade Rumors and Ideas - All Post/Comments Here
by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 16, 2010 5:30 PM EDT
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PrintThere seems to be a few to many posts on trade rumors and ideas and it will probably get worse as the trade deadline gets near. Will and I have decided to create this post for people to discuss any ideas and rumors. Also, if you have done quite a bit of work on a piece, feel free to post it. We are just trying to cut down on rumor/idea pieces. If an actual trade/move happens, feel free to post it as a Fanshot or Fanpost and we will try to get it to the top of the front page as soon as possible. Thanks.
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Man I wish they would. It could actually be quite a take if a team is desperate.
Question, if he is trade before the ASG, do we get another automatic selection.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
totally disagree with trading Soria
he’s one of the few bright spots in the pen … what, you want Farnsworth as the closer? he’s about the only other option out there … or Tejada
the idea with a trade is to improve the team, not to make it worse …
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Who cares who would close for the time being?
It can improve the team long term. There are much more important positions anyway.
But he's part of the ever popular "Major League" theory of team building
we’d be turning it around and headed to the playoffs if Yost would just put a cutout of David Glass in leopard print in the clubhouse
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jul 5, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, let's worry about making
the 2010 and 2011 Royals 71 win teams (no Soria) versus 73 win teams (with Soria).
I would feel SO much better about the future then.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
it'd probably be of more value to
keep bringing in new 8th inning guys, inflating their value, and trading them off to teams
granted, this team is gonna have Blake Wood when his value starts to dip hard
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funny, but we had a KILLER bullpen a few years ago ... terrific pitching staff top to bottm, but THEN ...
… everyone and his brother (and sister) bitched about the lack of offense, and so GMDM ditched the entire bullpen because, as newarly everyone said “you can ALWAYS find a decent reliever and closer” and THAT …
… brought us the Year of the Fire when we lost more late-inning games due to inability of having anyone in relief than anyone could possibly imagine …
look, this team is improving, slowly, painfully slowly, bujt it’s getting there … we now have a bona fide major league quality manager, a good if not great rotation, a decent if not always good bullpen, and guys who, for the most part, get on base … let’s continue that improvement instead of starting all over yet again
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by upamtn on Jul 5, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What team are you watching?
We have a good rotation and a decent/good bullpen!??!? LOL we are 13th in the AL (second to last) in ERA….explain?
Our lineup is full of old guys that are going to keep getting worse, meaning we are going to have to rely on a new group of guys to improve..and that means trading all those older guys for prospects is EXACTLY what we need to do.
Killing time until time kills me
right ...
DeJesus is old
Butler is old
Maier is old
in the minors Kila and Gordon are old …
unless you think 30 is old, in which case yeah, oldtimers all over …
now Guillen is old and I’d love to see him gone, even though he’s one of the few guys we have to drive in runs, Bloomie is old, so is Kendall and Podsy (who happens to be one of the best hitters we have in average, and our only legitimate base stealing threat) … thing about “prospects” is that’s what they are, they MIGHT develop into good players, then too thye also might NEVER develop and end up being worse than what we have now
unless you have some special insight and knowledge, it’s a crap shoot with young kids … you want that? fine, scrap the roster and pray … otherwise deal with what you have
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B-R lists average age...
…our average hitter age is 29.9—second oldest in the division behind the White Sox (30.5). And that number is actually lower than reality since it’s just the average of every hitter to have seen the roster this year. So, Getz, Gordon, Ka’aihue, Maier, Betamit and Pena all count the same as if they were everyday starters.
Of course our actual everyday starters look more like Kendall, Guillen and Podsednik… So, for instance, the average age of “Royals with more than 300 Plate Appearances in 2010” is 30.8.
I am on it, give me 15 minutes
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
weighted by plate appearance it is still 29.9
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I was messing around with B-Ref right looking at baserunning and seeing if I can get bullpen numbers for Hillman and Yost.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 6, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
AxDxMx
For an average and or utility player 30 is old. For an above average player, star or superstar it is the middle of their prime.
What logic and/or facts is that based upon?
Why is there any distinction in a decline curve based upon how “good” a player is? Aging is aging.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 14, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It is the downside of their prime
But I’ll agree, it’s still part of the prime. Overwhelming evidence points to the age 27-28 seasons as the peak for most players. So do you want a player ascending to his peak, or one that’s age 30 and moving downhill?
This team won't accomplish anything.
There have to be major personnel changes for the Royals to have success. Thus, since buying great players through free agency is out of the question, the team must trade it’s good players for potentially great players or its serviceable players for good players. I don’t care who they trade as long as the trades have positive results. Sure, I would miss some of the players, but this team has been so uninspiring for so long that I’m really not very attached to any of them.
In short:
scrap the roster and pray
bullpen is 6th in ERA
i think. like 3.62. and that includes the first two weeks. after Colon and Cruz were released (which also coincided with Tejeda starting to pitch well), the bullpen has been quite good.
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Wow, you are on some seriously optimistic meds
Yost is almost the same level of disaster that Trey Hillman was, just Yost carries himself with more confidence and doesn’t say really stupid stuff.
Relievers aren’t terribly hard to find, Dayton is just terrible at finding them apparently.
A good rotation? Are you seriously counting StarBurns and Chen in there? I like Lerew, but Chen has bounced around the league for a reason, and Lerew will be MLB bullpen material at best as soon as next year.
The Royals get on base well? Well, it’s not that bad I guess. They are 10th in the league in OBP, but that is helped mightily by their 1st in MLB BA. Their .402 SLG does nothing for me (18th in the league), and people wonder why they don’t score runs. Maybe they should try hitting some doubles and homers instead of slapping singles. Kendall, Podsednik, and Getz I’m looking at you guys.
Are the Royals better than they have been? Maybe a little bit. The Royals would be even better if they could find a place for Gordon and Kila to play. If the Royals are actually able to trade away Pods/Guillen/Bloomquist, I would expect a little run to end the season. Not playoff contention, but .500 doesn’t seem too far off.
Lerew sucks, Chen is decent, Banny and Greinke and Hoch and Davies ...
… had this team been playing .500 ball all year long, as they have been under Yost, and were 5 games out and hanging in there. this town would be going crazy with that “success” and you know it as well as I do
it’s a miniature 70’s team: singles instead of doubles, less stellar pitching, less speed … but the general idea is the same: high as possible BA and pray for the best … The K is not a home-run hitter haven, we know that, so you HAVE to build the team around pitching and singles/doubles, pitching and speed (sadly we lack speed and defense, but it’s better this year than in the past)
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"Chen is decent"
Says all I need to know about you.
Unless Chen has picked up a new pitch or style that I’m unaware of, he’ll shortly start regressing to his true talent level which is Chuck n’ Duck.
2 years removed from surgery
his velocity has increased significantly and I think he has added a pitch. I am not a Chen believer by any means but he is pitching much better and everyone agrees stuff is better. Will it last??? is ay dump who to a team desperate for a loogy get low level prospect and move on.
you have a right to be skeptical about Chen
just as I’m skeptical about every so-called “can’t miss prospect” out there …
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Well can't miss prospects don't really exist.
They obviously miss all the time.
As for Chen, he’s been AAA/AAAA for a long time, and I really hope he’s changed, but I wouldn’t put money on it.
you forgot joe vittello
mark quin
dee brown
colt griffin
jeff austin
lather rinse repeat
so there!
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And what I'm saying is that if you think Can't Miss Prospects exist,
then you haven’t been paying attention to baseball history.
did you seriously need the sarcasm font for that one?
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it appears
you took my list as cant miss prospects taht didnt miss. If i took that wrong, sorry
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Chen has been pretty good for us this year
He’s actually been really good if you lick at his numbers
Ax your just being a pessimist. I don’t blame you, but I think Chen is a smarter pitcher now. You can say his career numbers are bad, look at his injury history and age and be negative about it, like you were, or you can listen to what he says about his new approach, the way he mixes his pitchers, how he’s picked up velocity and think he’s better pitcher now.
Coaches and media are saying the same thing. And the results don’t lie
Banny and Davies on the other hand C YA
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 14, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The snozzberries taste like snozzberries
if you lick at his numbers
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 14, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
If he really has changed that's great.
And I’m sorry about playing the pessimist here, but I’ve been a cheerleader for the Royals far too long and been burned by the same types of guys over and over.
Untouchables
I’d go with Butler, Tejada, Hochevar and Greinke.
Guillen has been a baseball magnet lady.
by KeepItCopacetic on Jul 5, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Untouchables
Butler, Greinke, and all our top 100 prospects (includes Gordon and Kila). I would demand a very high price for Soria or DeJesus, and a good price for Avilés. The rest are available to pretty much whoever wants them for pretty much whatever they’re offering.
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I kinda agree with Tejada...
I think he still has an outside shot at Rotation and maybe he could be traded in the offseason to a team as a starter, and really trading him now would be selling low even though he has been on fire lately.
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by averagegatsby on Jul 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
This team has exactly 0 "untouchables" on the MLB roster
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless You're Talking
Caste systems.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well of course everything always has its price...
Has there ever really been an “untouchable” is there anyone on this roster that you would dub nearly “untouchable?”
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by averagegatsby on Jul 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Pudsednik!
he’s nearly untouchable. I understand he’ll let you touch him but then he curls into the fetal possition & weeps.
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I have ever told you the story about "touching"
and Uncle Brandon?
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Jul 14, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Zack & Jack
that’s all
DDJ if we cant extend him for 3 more years ASAP.
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nevermind
Grienke that's it
that’s really it and him if he’s saying he won’t sing long term.
Butler is great but he can be replaced by people in our system and may not age well.
I am still debating Soria in my head.
Strangely I would say Gordon because we would be selling so low, bring him up pray for competance then consider trading him.
tigers lost, twins losing
if the royals win today they’re only seven games out!
must acquire more gritty veterans for pennant push.
by swing and a miss on Jul 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Hosmer and Moose for newly minted All Star Omar Infante!
I would quit though, seriously.
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
can NOT believe that move … Omar Freakin’ Infante, pride of the All Star Game …
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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Manuel is playing to win
Why get some good player to play utility when you can get a REAL utility man? I mean, if real teams make their bad players their utility men, then clearly that’s why the NL has been losing.
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
Alex Gordon for Omar Vizquel
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by KeepItCopacetic on Jul 5, 2010 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Bruce Chen?
I haven’t heard of any interest, but, hey, why not?
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
But He's No
Studs fag.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
DM isn't allowed to trade the vets
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nothing to add in the way of rumors
but i will be really sad to see dejesus go…he has been a very good player for us and i love his approach at the plate…he almost always seems to put good AB together…would like to see us able to trade callaspo, but i would def. keep butler, soria, greinke, gordon, hochevar…would deal aviles if the price was right…everyone else can go…we can have a nice core to continue to build around, see if kaaihue is legit, and get gordon back up and running…he would be a fine player as a piece of an overall better team including moose, hos, myers, colon, monty, lamb, coleman.
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 5, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions
it would probably be best to hold onto Callaspo now. wait until he reestablishes some value. the only guy who could really take his job is the Moose, but he won’t be here ‘til September at the very earliest, and even then he’d probably start next year in Omaha.
i will also be sad to see David go. just a real good overall player. but if we can get a nice deal, it would be the way to go.
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We tried to trade him over the winter and there was no value for him then...
And Aviles is old. If we can get anything for him, we should.
How long is Aviles under team control?
That might change his value to us.
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Probably have him for a while yet
But like someone else mentioned, players over 30 tend to lose bat speed, and that’s Aviles’s biggest asset at the plate. It could be an ugly crash for him. He’s not a long term solution, so if he could bring back something of value with 4-5 years of team control, it should be done. I’m thinking a RamRam type bullpen arm.
Butler will get his 5 1/2 and depart
he’s not being helped by the current hitting coaching, but committing long-term to a non-elite first baseman is pretty risky. Especially when 1st basemen are pretty common.
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What do you mean he's not being helped by the hitting coach?
King Seitz is the reason he hits the ball the other way and is in the .320s. You take that approach away from him and don’t have it taught to him he’s a JoGui. .275, dead pull, maybe 15 HRs if we’re lucky.
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Don't really agree with this.
Butler’s always been a hitter and likely would have been a good MLB hitter with or without Seitzer as his coach. Basically, I don’t credit or blame Seitzer for Butler’s failings or strengths.
Is Seitzer doing something to impact the high BA? Maybe, that’s hard to justify as well.
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I think BHWick is talking about the net used in ST to make them hit line drives and not fly balls
It seems to have actually turned Billy into a GIDP machine.
Hochevar
No one talks about him, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see someone try to pick him up on the cheap. He’s always teased, but looked good before the injury. Hopefully Dayton doesn’t sell low. Keep him to see if his stock goes up.
he could win the Cy
with the Cards
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nevermind
and yes
trade Bloomquist, no matter what peyote-fueled fantasy Ned has about him
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by BHWick on Jul 5, 2010 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
how about
David DeJesus for Austin Romine, the Yankees AA catcher. Romine is a very good prospect, but seeing how loaded the Yankees are at the catcher position, this trade is not out of the question. Romine is 21 years old and is hitting very well in AA. I don’t know enough about him to say if he can stay at catcher, but his bat is good enough for it.
But we're loaded at the catcher prospect position...
:)
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That might be a fair trade
i think the Yankees would have to throw in a bit more, though. I’m not saying I’d do it, because there are some questions about Romine, but it’s not a terrible idea.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
the more i look at Romine,
The more i like the guy. I would do that trade in a heartbeat, even though we are making a nice run as of late.
Trade Butler
I love the kid, but he’s not gonna extend here. He has lots of value. We can fill 1B easy enough with players we are already wasting (Kila, Alex, Bert, Ernie, Aviles, Mitch) We have him in “the window”, but seriously will he be our best 1B/DH option at that time?
Trading Soria in principal I agree with, but we have him cheap for a LONG time, so we don’t lose him before our “window”
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nevermind
I've actually heard unsubstantiated rumbling that Butler would be willing to re-sign
apparently his agent is… none too bright. The Royals should be willing to trade anyone, but if they can give Butler an Adam Lind type deal, it might help them in the future either as a team or by increasing his trade value.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering Butler is a career DH with most teams
He’s probably happy playing 1B here and thinks the farm system will bring help.
I'm of two minds about Butler
I kind of get the impression that he’s one of the fame-hungry types. Loves being interviewed, doing commercials, complained about not getting votes for the ASG, and showed up at the MLB Network doing a studio interview in the middle of winter for no apparent reason. So the question is does he want to be the big fish in a small pond or swim in a big pond with lots of lights?
by swing and a miss on Jul 6, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
or maybe just get taken care of for life with a multi-year guaranteed contract
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
the big fish small pond thing might factor
but “everything” i’ve heard him say…. i get the impression he’s a mercenary. Around draft time in past years he’s said things about the players dragging things out. and he said something to the effect of "i couldnt wait to get started, the sooner i get started the sooner I’m at arb & can make big money)
Now maybe that means a)he wants to lock up security before he gets too old & slower. or maybe it means he b) cant wait for 6 years to tick off & the bidding war begins.
if b.. forget it, he is counting the days. if it’s a, the sooner you offer a payday the sooner he’ll sign it.
either way, right NOW is our window to decide on him.
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You also ought to put that quote in context: the alternative is actually just, “I’m holding out as long as I can so I can get a bigger signing bonus.” And we know plenty of high draft picks take that route (without saying so, of course), so Billy’s attitude was actually pretty refreshing.
that could be valid as well
maybe the kid just wants to playbaseball & make a good living. I’d love to keep him. That comment just caught my ears and i filed it away. the club just needs to decide and commit, or start shopping.
I fully respect a guy saying flat out. “ive got 10 years to grab as much $ as i can too.” (no i didnt hear that butler) so its certanly not a judgement.
It tells me he wont play the johnny damon type games. He’ll either sign or split.
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I think trading Butler is the worse thing we can do,
He will be around 27-28 when all our prospects come up and that is around peoples prime.
I think Him and Greinke are our only untouchables because they will both be their primes when our wave of prospect get to the minors.
We have a huge wave of prospects coming and most of them are actually doing well. So with trading Dejesus,Gullien Pods, anyone else we possibly could can add 4-6 players to this wave. That would be crazy. Not to mention in baseball people normally overpay which is good for us.
So think of adding 4-5 prospect to our already pretty deep minors. That would make me happy.
The problem is, the Royals are the team that overpays.
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I think I agree with you Vic
but mainly because Billy is so young, that he (hopefully) isn’t near his peak yet, and has a couple .340/.440/.600 seasons in him at his peak. That would be monstrous, even at DH (assuming Kila/Hosmer/Clint Robinson are on the team).
If only Butler would have a .260 ISO at his peak
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I lean towards trading him
but still agree with you….
one way or the other on him… and Zack & DDJ really. Either have team control, even at high priced options till 2015 or unload & get value. having a stud we have to unload for rent-a-bat prices in 2012 & 2013 doesnt help us at all.
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Soria, Soria and Soria
He is our big chip. He should be used to fill our two biggest holes—- Catcher and CF. I would combine Soria with other pieces in order to fill these two holes. We should all be very excited at the Royals farm system, there will be bright days ahead for Royal fans.
yeah, but we could at least drop a line and see if we get a bite
(sorry)
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
don't be sorry
you were merely “angling” for a pun…
"Shot by my own men."
I think
this one put us over the daily limit.
Nah, had to throw most of them back for not being big enough
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by averagegatsby on Jul 7, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
TWSS
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Crabs, too
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by philofthenorth on Jul 7, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
So kind of like
Howell for Gathright (hole filler) and RamRam for CoCo (hole filler)?
No thanks. We won’t get want we are looking for.
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I'd be trading Moustakas and Callapso in package, and trying
to wrap up DJ and Butler long term. Gordon at 3b.
Saying you want to trade Soria because he has less value being a closer on the Royals
is foolish.
MAKE HIM A STARTER THEN!
Well, many of us would
But the Royals won’t.
Whatever. He’s a relief pitcher who has a lot of an obscenely overrated stat. He’d pull back a haul above what his real value to winning baseball teams is.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
23 of 25 saves looks good kc
what are you talking about? He would be more valuable with a 3.50 ERA and 180 – 200 IPS a year. I understand its a risk and he’s such a good closer it may not be worth it.
Adding in his reasonable contract and he’s the most valuable closer in baseball. He’s better than K ROD who got over 10 million a year
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no one here
buys into the idea that closers are really anymore valuable than the best arm in the bullpen, just because they pitch the final inning of a game and accrue a completely arbitrary stat. You might try the next town over…
Yeah thats true
Most relievers think they can close a game out. Some are good at it, others fail…
Its more opportunity than anything else. But if you get the opportunity and do it, and since baseball puts a premium on it (closers make 100%+ more than a “reliever”)
Even last night, I was sweating a little with Blake Wood on the mound and was almost certain we would win once Soria was in the game. If their roles were reversed it wouldn’t have mattered much I would have just been sweating in the 9th instead of the 8th.
When I think outside baseball its kind of like a 4 team relay in which the fastest player usually runs last. It shouldn’t matter though
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
If that was the case then Kyle Farnsworth would have been the best closer of all time
because he has nasty stuff. The mental makeup is what makes closers different. Even with his “stuggles” this year Soria has converted his last 17 saves and now leads the league. He has saved 60.5% of the teams victories! I have a hard time believing that anyone else in the pen would have done the same and this team would be much more miserable without him. Lets just accept that Soria is one of the best at what he does.
Jamie freakin Wright, nuff said.
That does not compute
Farnsy has been a mediocre reliever his entire career, nasty stuff or not. The point is, any GOOD reliever can close. Farnsworth is not a good reliever.
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i wont exactly disagree with the
“any GOOD reliever can close” statement…. but not exactly.
I think the players of this generation have it bred into them that they are “starters”, “closers”, “relievers” or “long relievers” from about the age they first hold their balls.
Just like pitchers 40 years ago assumed they were pitching a full game every 4th day. Now they are told to go out “and try to give us 6 good innings”.
so,
physically capable – yes
trainable – yes
mentally able to jump in and do it… uhh no.
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And yet
Most Closers started as something else. Often failed starters, but whatever.
I’d hazard a guess that very very few closers have always been such.
valid
often the failed starter is a guy with durabilty issues, not enough pitches, or endurance issues. As lots have suggested meche end up as closer or 8th inning guy.
I think it comes down to a preparation thing. If you are branded “a 7th inning guy” or a “bridge guy” whatever and constantly TOLD that you are not capable of closing, most wont have much luck when thrown in.
These days they seem to graduate from mop up , specialist, to bridge, to 8th inning, to closer…. so they baby step them.
soria jumped into it. probably largely because he hadnt been around and “groomed” long enough
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it may be analogous to batting order
they are all hitters. good hitters hit well.
other than the specific high strategy times that managers love… #2 needs to hit behind the runner, bunt etc. Most of the time they are just up there to hit. swing bat, hit ball. ANY player should be able to hit in any spot.
but for whatever reason, some batters will kick butt in the 7 hole and turn to shit at 3. or whatever. they become whatever type of hitter they think they are, in part based on how they are used.
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and you can
disagree without being hostile.
we observe it daily. for whatever psychological reason (most) people do better in situations they are comfortable with than ones they arent, regardless of skill level.
I walk every day. (now after major back surgery, i can almost do it normally). you give me a foot wide line & ask me to walk it for 100 ft, sure no problem. If you take that same foot wide strip and put it between two towers 100 ft in the air, I’m gonna fall. That has nothing to do with my abilty to walk.
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I tend to get a little hostile when someone is arguing for religion (stuff that can't be quantified)
and I’m arguing science. The problem is you can’t really prove the religious side wrong, and even I believe there’s probably a little something to it, but to attribute wide differences in stats to where people bat in the lineup, that’s just silly. You either have the talent or you don’t. Instincts and coordination trump nervousness and pressing.
Consider this. Alex Gordon bats in the 3 hole. Alex Gordon slumps and is left there for a little while. In order to make the lineup more productive, a hitter that isn’t slumping is moved to #3 and AG is moved to #7. AG starts to come out of the slump, as he would have in the 3 spot as well, but now it’s in a different spot, so somebody like yourself sees the correlation and screams “Causation!” It’s drilled into your head when you do statistical analyses, that “Correlation is NOT Causation!”
Point taken, but....
He is saying that people do better or worse depending on their comfort level with the situation.
Your statement of “Instincts and coordination trump nervousness and pressing” IMO could not be more wrong.
I know the word “clutch” is not popular here, but some players rise to occasion and some dont. If Gordon cant handle batting 3rd but can 7th, that shows who he is mentally. It is what it is.
This is why i dont fully rely on numbers and advanced stats, because clearly more is going on than can counted or pointed to. This IMO is where all statisticians go wrong.
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by teabaggingexper on Jul 8, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
well said
it is equally silly to put ALL faith in only things you can quantify, and discount all others, as it is to put ALL faith in something you cant quantify and ignore the numbers.
the correct balance is what what I look for. To me that balance point is somewhere in the middle. That doesnt automatically make me wrong.
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and yet
I assume you determine whether he can handle that spot in the lineup based on numbers/stats.
Or does Gordon just shake uncontrollably and wet his pants when he bats 3rd?
It’s all nonsense…do you really think once someone steps up to bat they waste a second thinking about what position they bat in? At that point all they have to do is hit the ball the best they can, same as they have been doing their entire lives. Outside of any smallball BS, the goal is always the same.
the batting 3rd was his example, i used it to counter his argument.
The point is not using stats, the point is saying since he can do well batting 7th, he should be able to the same batting 3rd, is not accurate.
we are not saying we are not using stats, we are saying that players can/will be affected by the situation they are put in to perform.
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by teabaggingexper on Jul 8, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I do my best work on Tuesdays around noon
My manager told me to take the rest of the week off.
Clearly more than I can quantify is going on here, so I won’t bother to try and explain, let’s just call that the “Magic Hour”.
and I’m arguing science
no, you arent. you are arguing statistics which is mathematics. Math creates the equations of science. Equations always give you the same answer.
In actual science there are additional variables, some that cant be accurately quantified. You can make an equation that captures the results of a certain number of trials and analyze them. but you do NOT, in fact, account for every variable. When you completely dismiss those, you look like a fool.
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It is science
on account of it is approached scientifically.
You want to claim that people hit better in some batting order positions than others? That’s fine, there is no proof that this isn’t true.
However, don’t point to batting stats split by position in the order to support this argument, because regardless of how well they correlate to your position, they are not statisically significant. In other words, a person could be the exact same hitter every time they bat regardless of lineup position and randomly generate the splits.
So believe it if you want, but leave the stats out of it, because there is none that supports your position.
That’s fine, there is no proof that this isn’t true.
wow you guys are the “reliigous” ones here.
i did not say that it WILL happen, or is even likely to happen. just that it CAN happen. that stats dont factor EVERYTHING.
The MATH is NOT the science. 2+2 is 4.. that is MATH. the SCIENCE is determining if you’ve counted and considered everything acturately and isolated all the variables.
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you will never understand
the power of the tools you use unless you understand their limitations.
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They dont wan to hear it
Until someone comes up wih a formula that measures the importance and pressure of an at bat, and shows some guys hit better in tougher situations than others it wont penetrate.
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by teabaggingexper on Jul 8, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that does exist, it's called LI or Leverage Index
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/get-to-know-leverage-index/
You know what it shows? That guys with more talent tend to be the most “clutch”. So are they really “clutch” or just showing their true talent?
Here's the thing though
There is no evidence that it is happening, so there is no reason to go looking for a cause.
uhh ok, not sure i argued that it IS happening
just that it should be considered
if you took newtonian physics, anytime you do a projectile problem, you assume that the mass is centered and that you are doing it in a vacuum. virtual any mathematical formulation requires some level of “vacuum” type assumption. especially when there are human beings involved.
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To trade or not to trade Guillen
At this rate what is the likelihood of what the Royals would get if they simply let Jose walk at the end of the season? I’m assuming he’s not a candidate for Type A free agent status (or whatever would get us potential extra draft picks in what is apparently going to be a good draft next year). Just trying to chew on the benefit of trading vs. getting more picks. Anyone who’s savvier about that rule feel free to postulate.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 6, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions
Of course, the Royals would have to offer him arbitration
(shudder)
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 7, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, there's the rub.
Trade him a.s.a.p. for anything useful.
Carry on.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 7, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
or at t his point, something not useful
he’s a salary dump, pure and simple
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 7, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm referring to
a bag of balls, more resin bags, a new and improved hot dog launcher, anything like that…
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 8, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm Pretty Sure
We don’t get anything unless it’s an arbitration case and he refuses the settlement. I don’t think that can happen.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Correct
The Royals would have to offer him arbitration, and he would have to decline. The problem is, there is 0% that Guillen declines.
and now that he's hurt
he probably won’t qualify as a Type B.
Nothing.
Finally, waiting for that 24 hour period of activation before being able to post on this thread was painful. Some of these posts are ridiculous.
By the way, Bruce Chen has pitched better than Bannister or Davies! Not saying he’s a keeper but we need someone to get us through this season.
First a lesson in baseball for all you DeJesus Haters:
.AVG is a statically joke. Put it out of your mind! Actual value of a good hitter should be determined by their .OBP, a combination of hits and walks. You can’t score a run if you can’t get to first base! Then look at a player’s .SLG. That’s the players power, single, doubles etc. Once you realize this you will begin to appreciate how good DeJesus really is.
Our Untouchables:
Zack Greinke- SP Ace 26
Billy Butler- DH 24
Joakim Soria- Franchise Closer 26
David DeJesus- OF 30
Luke Hochevar- SP 26
Reasons:
Greinke is Greinke, Cy Young winner, the ace of our pitching staff. Enough said.
Billy Butler is a hitting machine. Hit 51 doubles in his 2nd full season. People, power comes with age. Those doubles will turn into homeruns. And he’s only 24!
Joakim Soria can close out games. He’s our Mariano Rivera, we’d be foolish to let that go.
David DeJesus: See above.
Luke Hochevar has been the Royals second best pitcher this season before heading to the DL. Imporved ERA each month this season and it’s only his second full season. Best pitching prospect besides Aaron Crow, needs to reach 200 IP before we start to trade our former #1 pick.
The Best thing for the Royals to do would be NOTHING. The old guys on the team will be cut, off the team, or replaced by our farm system and after all that’s what the Royals are waiting for. Inside the organization they may opt to make some moves. I’d say leave Gordon down in AAA for the rest of the season let him appreciate what it means to be in the majors. Cut Ankiel, that was a mistake, give Maier an opportunity to play in the OF to see if he’s worth keeping around. Other call ups like Kila.
i agree with everything except Crow being our 2nd best pitching prospect
Hochevar is not a prospect anymore. But Lamb, Montgomery and Dwyer are all better than Crow
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Call
I had only looked as far down as Northwest Arkansas, but I’d have to agree with you. Is Montgomery hurt, he hasn’t pitched since June 15? Dwyer just got called up and had a solid performance. Had Crow not been out of baseball for a year, IMO Crow would be ahead of those guys.
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AVG is a statically joke.
that sentence is awesome. I’ve done it before, so I’m not hating… but it’s awesome when the first sentence of a rant has a horribly misspelled word.
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by CollininCalifornia on Jul 7, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
DDJ will be good this year and next
at a cheap price, and then when his contract expires, you get 1 or 2 top ~50 draft picks. That’s a great value, and the Royals would clearly do well to keep him. The catch is that he’s such a great value that other teams might be willing to give up quite a lot of talent to acquire him. If you can get a great prospect or two good prospects, you have to think about dealing him. If no one offers that much, you hold onto him, win a few more games the next year and a half, and then take your draft picks. It’s win-win.
Have a post coming on this at 4pm at FanGraphs
his value will never be higher. DDJ right now is likely to be a Type A free agent, but even f the Royals are dumb enough to not only not trade him before the deadline but also to decline his option, his agent is going to look at what happened to Orlando Hudson and accept arbitration —which means the Royals not only wouldn’t be getting the picks, but they’d be paying more than the club option would have been. The worst of all worlds.
DDJ is at the height of his value now, and this team isn’t going anywhere until 2012, and only then if the star align in a near-unprecented matter. The Royals should be actively listening on DDJ now. I don’ tknow what you mean by “great” prospect; DDJ isn’t worth a “five star” or A prospect, and holding out for one would be, well, it would be so stupid that I can imagine Dayton doing it (Cf. LaMar, Chuck). But a Decent B prospect + maybe a filler C would be fair at the moment. The longer they wait, the less the return gets. Now matter how badly it will hurt to win 73 games instead of 75 in 2011.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 7, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with a lot of this. there seems the perpetual tendency to plan
for a future team, which, get’s tedious. + you have a manager now, somewhat, there’s lots of talent on this team, much of it overlooked. I’d disagree with you on one thing. Adam Dunn type OBP is good at a lot of spots in the line up but not at #3 or #4. Dunn tends to walk or strike out in clutch situations whereas a good #3 or #4 needs to hit there. additionally, one of Yost’s successes is to eliminate the strike out artist dunn type rally killers from the line up. but, i’d agree that DJ has proved his worth over time. he’s every bit as valuable to the team right now as Beltran was, and maybe exceeds Beltran in consistency.
I didn't really see anyone bringing up AVG as their argument but ok lol.
By the time our wave of prospects hit the majors and actually develop to consistent contributors Dejesus will be between 33-35. He is having an amazing year. Hell he is having a better year than Ichiro is. I am not going to expect him to get better the older he gets. He is playing above his normal season the past few years. Now is exactly the best time to trade him and get a few good prospects. People in the MLB overpay. We could get a B+ to A- prospects plus maybe another B prospect for him then that would be great.
Given his age and how far away we are he should be the exact opposite of untouchable.
If we traded sorry for a top prospect i wouldn’t be mad about it at all.
I don’t see how Luke Hochevar is untouchable. He is almost 27 and besides a few outing has be less than impressive. One game he seems like he is improving then one game he is back to his old ways. If we could sell the whole “He was the #1 pick and has a ton of potential” thing then i would not mind us getting some younger guys for him.
Hopefully Gullien’s injury doesn’t affect his trade status.
by vic1124 on Jul 7, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hochevar was pitching better than Greinke before he got hurt
He’s had a couple of terrible outings but been been pretty good overall. I think 2012 being Greinke’s last year is our window. Dejesus would be 32 in 2012 so I think we might as well hang on to him through the end of his contract
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You take away Hochevar's 9 ER in 2 innings against Tampa
and he has a better ERA than Greinke
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But if you take away 9 of Greinke's ER
and he’s even awesomer than the awesomed-up Hochevar.
Well Greinke doesn't give up 9 runs in one game
Id rather a pitcher give up 9 runs in 1 loss than lose 9 times by 1 run
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 7, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And that recent start where he decided to start screwing around in the 8th
I was at that game, he was clearly just trying things out. Then he went back to being himself and got three outs in 8 or so pitches. What’s his era if you get rid of those four innings?
Hoch is doing well, but I can’t put him in Zack’s class quite yet.
I think a case could be made
for starters to to throw out the worst 10% and the best 10% of their starts.
Perfect and near perfect games are (every other year) a rare planetary alignment as much as the pitchers normal self.
ubaldo gives up 7 in an inning this week. Zack was cruising last start & gave up 5? out of nowhere. those arent typical either.
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Great Caesar's Ghost
I was just looking at MLBTR and saw this monstrosity:
Bloomquist notes that he’d like to stay in Kansas City for another five or six years if possible, and manager Ned Yost shares that sentiment…
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
uhhh you forgot a no
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Good eye.
No. No. No. No.
I threw in a couple extra just to be sure.
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 7, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
in 2016 with cloning technology genius manager follows the Dutch National team and Ajax's strategy of "total football" and creates "total baseball"
cloning William Bloomquist 23 times and promises the introduction of someone(thing) called “pecotastein”
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jul 7, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If Blomquist pitched to Blomquist with Blomquist playing every defensive position
What would happen?
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 7, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well done
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the entire field would be ground into a fine shiny surface loved by old managers
error counts reaching double digits would become banal
stolen bases would be measured in ‘caucasiasity’
infield grounders would replace hits when speaking of batting average
after an excessive number of consecutive starts we would be ceded a win
home runs would be worth two
the minor leagues would be renamed the true leagues
you couldn’t start a game until you’d played for at least 4 teams
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jul 7, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Blomquist!
Another unheralded yet awesome nickname from the past that never really caught on.
Thanks for bringing it back.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 7, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget a couple extra Bloomies
for USA’s 2018 2-Man Bobsled Team.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 7, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you object
to Ned Yost’s wanting to stay in Kansas City another five or six years if possible?
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Manny Pina
His line between AA and AAA this season is .259/.335/.431. Not exactly lighting the world on fire, but if he was able to put up the same numbers at the MLB level, he’d be very solid for a catcher. His defense has improved every year, culminating in him throwing out 55% of basestealers so far this season. He’s also only allowed 2 passed balls so far.
He has also had a pretty good debut for the O-Royals. In his first two games since his call-up, he already has 3 hits including a home run, one walk, and no strikeouts. I’d love for him to get a cup of coffee this September and see him against major league pitching. He sounds like he could at least be a good backup/platoon catcher. Ideally he’d continue to improve and we could get rid of Kendall soon, resulting in a Pena-Pina catching duo.
What do you guys think? Is Pina at all worth keeping an eye on?
Yes
I think he has a very good shot at becoming a solid backup catcher…maybe even something more.
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I Don't Know
How MLEs are generated, but they usually project a significant drop in stats from AAA to MLB, so I don’t think it would be right to expect Pina to put up those offensive numbers with KC.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 7, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, obvious tiny sample size alert
I’m just really really tired of Jason Kendall, even though he’s been playing a little better recently.
by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 7, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes and No.
Depends on who you talk to. I got a chance to talk to the scout who signed him with the Rangers organization. Mr. unnamed source (haha for those of you who follow that) says that he doubts Pina has what it takes upstairs to be a solid MLB catcher. He didn’t think he has the brains (maybe he has a learning disability?) to handle a pitching staff.
Now, Mr. unnamed source didn’t think there were any problems with his defense and that he would hit .250 in the bigs which makes him a good backup. So…. yes he can do it… but no he might not be smart enough….
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Another problem
he can’t hit
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 10, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
Pina was getting pitches called from the dugout. He wasn’t calling games with the Rangers.
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by Old Man Duggan on Jul 11, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Telepathically from Kendall
problem solved
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 14, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
you'll just have to watch the show & find out
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Back to our club
DeJesus has a trade window IMO. If we don’t trade him before the deadline then we should start talking about an extension. I would offer up 4yr for 28mil. A trade would have to include a stud prospect. Soria should be traded, again for atleast two very good prospects.
Trade ideas: Send DeJesus to the Giants for prospects 1B Brandon Belt and CF Francisico Peguero.
Then send Soria,Guillen (we pay the salary and if he isn’t hurt bad) and Bloomquiest to the Yankees for C Cervelli, Pitching Prospects David Phelps and Ivan Nova.
2010
LF Pods
2B Aviles
1B Kila
DH Butler
CF Ankiel
3B Callaspo
C Cervelli
RF Gordon
SS Betancourt
2012
SS Colon
DH Butler/Kila
3B Moose
1B Belt/Kila
RF Hosmer
2B W. Myers/Aviles
C Cervelli
CF Eibner/Peguero
LF Gordon/Peguero
- Greinke
- Monty
- Lamb
- Duffy/Dwyer/Osuna
- Phelps/Nova/Hoechever
Pen- Woods,Tejada,B. Hardy,B. Sisk, P. Keating,Coleman, Chapman
These trades provide depth and competition. This would allow us to continue to draft over slot guys and would allow us to lock up our young talent. Extend Greinke, Butler, Aviles and Cervelli. No fa’s needed after these types of trades. Also allows for failure,, Kila, Gordon and Aviles could all flop and we still have guys behind them to fill the void. We are on the right track for sure, but what we do this year (as far as trades) will make a huge difference. Our great pitching depth will help fill in any missing pieces that may arise, just like what our above trading partners will be doing this year.
Dear god no
DeJesus is probably never going to be this good again. You want to pay for future production, not past production. Someone should be able to provide roughly DeJesus’ value at ages 31+ for much cheaper than 7 mil.
Hey
I kind of agree, my first choice is to trade him. That 2012 projected team would kick somr ass.
Eibner Still Thinks
He’s a pitcher. He’ll have to get that out of his system before he even starts working seriously at becoming a MLB position player.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's a hitter all the way
He fell because other teams wanted him to pitch and he didn’t want to.
You're Right; It's
Hell being old.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 9, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
I don’t see what we do with Belt – we have enough of those types around. And that isn’t what I would want for DJ. I’d rather get one impact prospct and 1-2 interesting minor leaguers, not a backup catcher and two mediocre minor leaguers.
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Ok
Belt has Impact numbers at the moment in high A, also a little speed which could mean a position switch if needed. Good K/BB numbers, high BA with some power.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=474832
You may be right on the Soria trade, I have since suggested Soria to the Reds for CF Drew Stubbs and a former 1st round catching prospect.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519023
Lets Trade Someone Already
Preferably Guillen, Pods, Ankiel
by billski8 on Jul 12, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 12, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
why not throw Yuni in there as well?
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 14, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we all wrong in our thinking here?
If Kila is getting impatient, (and who could blame him) should we try to move him and see what’s possibly out there for a guy like him? Dayton obviously could give a shit whether or not he ever plays in KC, and he’s better than AAA filler.
Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 14, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
But everybody knows
That Dayton doesn’t care for him. Why would you offer anything of any value at all for him?
If I knew that a GM disliked or was bearish on a prospect I loved
then I’d jump on offering something of value. Not something that’s as valuable as Kila is likely to be, but SOMETHING. When you sense that someone is undervaluing one of their assets, that’s the perfect scenario to buy low. Maybe you could pawn off a prospect of your own that you think won’t amount to much. The classic “change of scenery” trade.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 14, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Surely some GM has a toolsy no-hit SS that they're willing to part with
Unless I'm wrong...
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things need to start happening soon
i’ll be really pissed if we get through and DM does NOTHING to improve this team for the future
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 14, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions
Could very easily happen
He hasn’t really made a lot of deadline deals recently.
yeah,
a little off-topic, did anyone see that atlanta traded yunel escobar and jojo reyes for alex gonzalez? seems lopsided in toronto’s favor but i don’t know much about the two prospects that atlanta got back in return.
tim collins is a AA pitcher who’s 5’7", tyler pastornicky has a .724 OPS at High A. anyone know anything about these guys?
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 14, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I thought the Braves gave up far too much.
Escobar isn’t hitting this year, but he’s been pretty good on defense leading all shortstops in Defensive Runs Saved according to John Dewan, IIRC. And Jo-Jo was a top pitching prospect for the Braves right? How’d that Mark Teixiera trade work out for you Atlanta?
All I know
is that if this team trades for Jacoby Ellsbury, I will go off.
I don’t know if there’s a more overrated OF in the major leagues.
Look at the stats, he’s literally Scotty Pods 2.0.
Just because he wears a Red Sox jersey doesn’t make him the next fucking Rickey Henderson.
http://www.royalskingdom.blogspot.com
has that been mentioned anywhere?
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 14, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I've only seen
That if the BoSox trade for DDJ, it likely means Ellsbury’s time in Boston is over. Doesn’t mean he’ll be part of any trade for DDJ, especially since Ellsbury is currently injured. I don’t think DM is that stupid.
Am I wrong for hoping that if DDJ goes to Boston
that we’d maybe end up with a mid-level prospect and Justin Masterson?
Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 14, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, I forgot about that one. Sorry!
Ned likes Kendall in the 2-hole!
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jul 14, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait
Are you sure we aren’t talking about Coco Crispies?
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 14, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Scotty Pods + more power + more OBP + better defense + far superior base running
other than that, yeah they’re about the same.
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Not so fast, my friend
What does Ellsbury’s wife/girlfriend look like?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 14, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
excellent point
good chance that the intangibles just aren’t there. ;)
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Not interested in Ellsbury
and I’m a little scared Moore might be—part of it is he’s overrated but also it would be much better to get a prospect who will be under control for 6 years as opposed to somebody who is about to be arb. eligible.
David Dejesus is the most valuable player on the trade market
According to Tim Kirkjian… whatever thats worth
AL player sorry
The NL players seem like Dunn, Haren, Oswalt
Yankees apparently covet Soria
If it means a return of Jesus Monterro + some I’m in
We've got more than enough starting pitching coming through
that we could take one of them and make them into a badass closer.
Keep them as SP until they fail
Far more valuable, either for us or as trade bait than as a reliever.
Sure.
But with all the pitching in the minors, one of them is bound to fail. If they don’t, our team will only give up 3 runs per game on average and we’ll have the best bullpen baseball has ever seen!
Isn't Coleman Already
Pitching out of the pen?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 17, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
NY guy says Yankees are after Soria
Here’s the pertinent part:
I spoke with my main Yankees source down in Tampa on Sunday morning who informed me that the team is in the midst of ongoing discussions with Kansas City over the availability of Joakim Soria. "KC is very adamant with their demands in wanting at least one major league ready player and several prospects. I think that it’s a deal that "Cash" has to make. "They’re not winning another championship with the way the bullpen is currently constructed. Brian has to do something soon. Other than Mariano, the bullpen has been a total "crap shoot."
This Needs Its
Own Fanshot.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 18, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's Mike Silva
he’s speculating… his own thoughts started the Montero/Soria “firestorm” on Twitter today.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 18, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A return of...
Joba, Austin Romine, David Adams or Corban Joseph, and Andrew Brackman might suffice… Would really love Monterro to be involved though… I think he’s going to be a big time hitter although we have a ton of 1B/DH types
And yet I heard DM on the radio on Friday
saying he wants pitchers back in any deal he makes. How stupid is he? Maybe if that’s all he can evaluate well, then maybe that’s for the best.
Yankees have no pitchers that are worth giving up Soria for.
Montero would have to be involved or Romine. I don’t want Joba.
That's total Braves Way
seriously, it’s in the “Bravest Way Book”
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 18, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Unfortunately I've read "Built to Win" by John Schuerholz and not "The Bravest Way"
There were whole passages that made me cringe.
I still have it, if you want to cringe like I did, you can have it, just email me. I’m sure you could savage it on Fangraphs over the course of about 3-4 posts.
KCs system could actually use some RH arms
Crow isn’t a lock the way it looks and Melville and Sample could be quite a ways away if at all.. Greinke and Hoch he’ll have thru 2012 but if he’s looking at building a longterm winner. Just shouldn’t pigeonhole yourself with possible failures of prospects.
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We need a Soria deal
What we have a plug is Catcher and CF. Over and over, much before it was mentioned I have wanted to send Soria to the Bombers. It just makes great sense for both teams.
I want CF Gardner and a stud catching prospect, but the Yankees need an OFer (doesn’t have to be CF) In return. I really think we hold on to DeJesus for a SF trade. So here is a deal
We loss Soria,Guillen and Podsednik. We get back CF Gardner, C Prospect Austin Romine,RHP Prospect David Phelps and 2B Jimmy Paredes.
Send DeJesus and Clint Robinson to SF for 1B Propsect Brandon Belt, RHP Eric Surkamp and CF Francisco Peguero.
Then send Farnsworth, Rupe,Brandon Sisk and Salvador Perez to the Reds for C Prospect Devin Mesoraco
So at the end of these trades, we have two very good catching prospects (so lets find Wil Myers a new position). A MLB CF and a good cf prospect. A stud Prospect in Brandon Belt (Kila Insurance or a position move). Two good righty starter prospects and a very young 2ber with speed. We have really upgraded our system with speed as well.
This also allows us to promote Gordon,Kila and maybe Lough or Parraz.
Dude....this is pretty silly.
(See above post by kcbottom9th)
Do you know how silly you sound? You’re assuming way too much.
“Send X to the Bombers for A, B and C. That’s all we need to do.”
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by Crooow on Jul 19, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Coffee all over my computer.
"Okay, gimme 2 belgian waffles, the lobster bisque and a glass of your house chianti."
"Sir, this is Burger King."
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LOL
That was funny. I understand what you mean, but I have always been a person who offers solutions, as opposed to those who why define problems. Hey and it is fun to dream up trades.
I think they are all good for both teams, the Reds deal is kind of wishful thinking- but I would love to have that Catcher.
You suggested the Yankees
Basically replace Brett Gardner with Scott Podsednik.
That my friend is the the gatehouse to the mental asylum.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
They have Granderson for center, and believe it or not Pods and Gardner have VERY similar stats. Also assume that the Yanks will sign Wyerth or someone else in the off season. It is not cazy, they do get Soria —you know
How far back do you have to stand to see Gardner and Pods' stats as similar?
Podsednik 2010: .302/.350/376, .323 wOBA
Gardner 2010: .305/398/..408 .373 wOBA
Gardner is closer to Albert Pujols’ current wOBA (.408) than he is to Podsednik’s.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 19, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is not including
a. Gardner’s better defense;
b. Gardner’s relative youth; and
c. Gardner’s years of team/salary control.
But, veteran leadership, experience, grit, etc., etc. And Mrs. Pods would probably be much happier watching Scott in NYC, so there’s that.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 19, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
About a foot
By all means leave out extra base hits (15 each), SB (25 to 26), K (51 to 54), RBI’s (37 to 31).
But, wtf are we talking about here, I know Gardner is a better player. The main reason is his potential because he is almost 27 yo, and his production is increasing.
The point is Pods at 34 would be acceptable (Due to Granderson in Cf) for the Yankees for the rest of 2010. The addition of Soria and Guillen (to DH) will more than make up for the small difference between Gardner and Pods.
This is the type of thinking that fans around here have at times. Podsednik is not a horrible player, he does not fit our future. That is a big difference. Guillen does not suck either, but he isn’t in our future. I find it funny that everyone loves Dunn this year, but Guillen is a scrub. Check out their numbers??
Guillen and Dunn???
Now I think you’re just trying to mess with people.
Guillen: .275/.337/.458 (.349 wOBA)
Dunn: .288/.373/.579 (.403 wOBA)
Please tell me you realize that those two lines aren’t even close. Not even in the same neighborhood.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I assume the use of RBI is meant as a joke
wOBA accounts for the proper relative value of most offensive events and scales them to a per PA rate that is relative to RBI. So, yeah, basestealing, everything is also in there.
I lost a longer response, so let me get right to it. ( I’m using current performance rather than projections because it is simpler):
the difference between a .373 wOBA and a .323 wOBA is 20-25 runs, or about 2-2.5 wins over a full season. That is a tremendous difference. Joakim Soria has not been worth 2.5 wins in his best season (2007).
Marcus Thames is probably about as good a hitter as Jose Guillen at this point.
I woud assume the comparison of Jose Guillen (.275/.337/.458, .349 wOBA) and Adam Dunn (.288/.373/.579, .403 wOBA) is a joke along the same lines as the use of RBI, but the difference between the two is even greater than the difference between the current performance of Gardner and Podsednik.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 19, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the help
Yes you said 2 to 2 and a half wins in a Full season, so that means 1 to 1 and a quarter wins for the remainder of 2010. You really don’t think that Soria and Guillen would add more than one win to a team?
Maybe the Dunn example was bad, I didn’t think his OBA was that high! The point is we (Kansas City fans) always undervalue what we have and overvalue what we don’t.
Do which team?
Soria might add a win to the Yankees, I don’t think Guillen adds much if anything to the players they already have (the OFs are all better, Marcus Thames can do the RH DH thing as well or better than Guillen when Posada isn’t playing there).
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 19, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So
Cashman wants to get Soria and he only thinks it will be worth one win?
Not even sure about that
True Fact: Joba Chamberlain, who would presumably be relegated, has a higher WAR than Joakim Soria this year (in 2 more innings)
"Undervaluing"
has been very easy to do with the Royals teams of the last 25 years.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would prefer not to have Brett Gardner involved personally
He’s a good player but just reminds me too much of the players the Royals always target (ala Getz/Fields)… If I’m the Royals I tell the Yankees that if you want Soria then Montero has to be involved… If we make that trade then we get a top 5 prospect if we don’t make the trade we keep Soria
see, I'm guessing Montero is essentially untouchable, even for the Yankees.
I just can’t see a team like the Yankees trading someone like that for anybody, let alone a great-but-possibly-declining closer.
To go to the World Series this year
any prospect should be up for grabs. They are in trouble with their pen and they know it. If DM holds out, he may just pull a Montero + stuff out of his hat.
hmm, I see your point.
I guess there’s no point in holding onto a top 10 prospect if you’ve convinced yourself that you can trade him for a great shot at a World Series title.
Not to mention
Mariano’s heir apparent. And the fact that the Yankees seem to be loaded with catching prospects. Especially Gary Sanchez.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
So what's this I hear bout the Royals talking to Jason Isringhausen's agent?
Why the F**K would we be talking to him? We’re looking to trade SORIA.
Um, to trade Soria and bring Izzy in to finish out the season.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Um,
why do we need to worry about this season? Or having a semi-expensive closer this year or next year, that wasn’t developed by US?
If I'm the Royals...
I put Tejada in the role
The only problem I see is that there are a few other options out there at RP
So if the Yanks don’t like our price they can always go for Scott Downs, Jason Frasor, Kevin Gregg, Leo Nunez, maybe even Brett Myers or Matt Capps
None of those players are a credible heir apparent for Rivera. Only Soria fills that role and that’s why the Yankees will overpay for him.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jul 19, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't need Rivera's replacement yet
All they need right now is a solid set up man.
They have plenty of time to replace Mo.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 19, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when does "need" drive the bus
with regard to Yankees player acquisition? It’s more like “see, want, get.” If they can get a top “closer” to come in and be a set-up guy for (perhaps) the best closer ever, then they’ll do it. They’re the Yankees.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 19, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
But Cashman isn’t stupid. He won’t be held to ransom for a player who he doesn’t absolutely need. Soria might be who they ultimately want to replace Mo, but he isn’t a must have for their needs this year. There are plenty of alternatives.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 19, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
So it seems that Austin Romine
would be a more likely get in a trade for Soria… is that worth it?
To me the value for a closer on the open market far exceeds the value they have for the team. In order to gain value that doesn’t hurt your team is to constantly have a turnover at closer. Look at the return the Orioles got for Sherill. Had we held on to Leo Nunez… He would be set to replace Soria… Soria could be traded for prospects now and Nunez could take over… Then when Nunez saves 30 games next season trade him at the deadline for prospects. Continue the cycle…
A lot of teams are starting to draft college closers to constantly replenish their bullpen with talent. I would like to see the Royals get in on this trend.
So people been saying the asking price is too much for Dejesus.
How is a major league ready prospect and a mid level prospect too much? For a guy who is proven consistent and pretty valuable.
From a Padres Scout
Been conversing with Royals people on a potential deal for DDJ. They’re wanting a 4/5 rotation kind of guy, High-A bat and a reliever at AA level at minimum and are poking around kicking tires.
I once had hope...now I have Moore.
Royals are just wanting too much.
If this is true, Dayton is being a huge dumbass. Is he trying to win in 2012 or appease the fan base of a 70 win team? He needs to f’ing make up his mind sooner or later.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jul 19, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Padres just signed Willy Mo Pena...
I think thats the final piece they needed… that move has Championship written all over it
Dayton is a genius
I saw a tweet saying that the Royals are insisting NY take Guillen in any trade for Soria. Way to mitigate the potential return to save $4M. I’m guessing Montero is not even in the discussion if the Royals are insisting on this (nor is anyone else worth having). Anyone else getting scared for a Yuni type move before the end of July?
Sounds like a good idea unless...
We don’t get Montero or Romine… I personally think if Montero isn’t involved its a fail (so no genius in my book)
Geez
JUST CUT GUILLEN and get something back for Soria
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 20, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Dejesus has to go to the Braves
Just don’t see how GMDM doesn’t do a deal with the Bravos… they are looking for an OF and have plenty of young pitching
If we don't get Gardner back
I wouldn’t do it! Our holes are CF and C. Could fill them both by sending Soria to NY. Montero is nice, but has yet to really shine in the minors.
He's 20 years old
And holding his own in AAA.
by kcbottom9th on Jul 20, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Really only two holes?
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Three teamer
We lose Soria, Guillen and Farnsworth.
Yankees lose CF Gardner, C Cervelli, C Montero, RHP David Phelps and 2B Jimmy Paredes
Phillys lose Wyerth, RHP Austin Hyatt and C Sebastian Valle.
Yankees get Soria, Wyerth,Guillen and Hyatt.
Phillys get Montero and Farnsworth.
We get CF Gardner, C Cervelli, Phelps, Valle and Paredes
Then DeJesus and Clint Robinson to SF for 1B Prospect Brandon Belt, 2B Prospect Charlie Culberson and CF Francisco Peguero
You just won't let a trade for Belt and Peguero die...
And the 3 team trade is even worse.
by AxDxMx on Jul 21, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
FYI
It’s just “Werth”
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 21, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Radio this morning (so take it with a grain of salt)
Royals told the Yankees that they’d do Montero for Soria+Guillen and the Yanks have to pick up the rest of Guillen’s money.
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NICE
Good work GMDM… Montero it is… He’s going to be nasty
Not nice at all. They want nothing to do with Guillen.
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Then we don't give up Soria
This is the Yankees we are talking about here… They will take on as much money as they need to if it helps them win… They can always try to move Guillen in August
Don't give up Soria then
And we can rejoice in our all star closer on our 70 win team.
The idea that you hobble the value of one of your best trade pieces by insisting junk goes with him is completely crazy.
Ya I see your point and I agree with you
I guess I didn’t think they would give up Montero for Soria in the first place… If Montero comes to the Royals I’ll be happy but we could probably squeeze out a little bit more from the Yanks if Guillen isn’t involved
George Steinbrenner is dead
and Brian Cashman is not so likely to take such a deal, particularly with a potential poison pill like Guillen involved. It might happen only because Guillen is disposable at end of season, but I’m not so certain.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the radio station I was on...like I said, huge grain of salt.
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Ranking Potential SP return for Dejesus
1. Simon Castro (RHP – Padres): Double-A
2. Casey Kelly (RHP – Red Sox): Double-A – Boston won’t move him
3. Randall Delgado (RHP – Braves): High-A
4. Mike Minor (LHP – Braves)
5. Arodys Vizcaino (RHP – Braves): High-A
6. Cory Luebke (LHP – Padres): Triple-A
7. Aaron Poreda (LHP – Padres): Triple-A – moved to RP after coming over from White Sox
8. Zeke Spruill (RHP – Braves): High-A
I vote for Zeke Spruill just because his name is Zeke Spruill
by Crooow on Jul 21, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I should have added Stolmy Pimentel (RHP - Red Sox) then also...
Stolmy Pimentel vs. Zeke Spruill
who has the better name?
Headline after his first start as a KC Royal:
“Stolmy Weather”
by Crooow on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But then again,
the potential of a “Zack&Zeke” combo is enticing…
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Jul 21, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Dejesus' potential type A status in 2011...
Make him too expensive for other teams in terms of trade value?
No more rumors...
I’m not hearing anything speculating the Royals involvement in the trade market now that Dejesus is out… nothing on Pods, Farnz, Guillen, Ankiel, Soria
Apparently Guillen is the new hot commodity...
Will the Royals eat some salary to get a decent return ala Casey Blake for Carlos Santana?
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