Billy Butler And David DeJesus Driving Royal Offense Under Yost
Continuing our discussion of the team's 25-23 mark under Ned Yost, I decided to run the numbers for every Royal hitter since Yost has taken over. Basically, Billy and DeJesus are hitting well since May 14th, Guillen has been OK (power sapping blisters = empty BA), and that's basically it. Yost has also benefited from some random good performances by Betemit and Bloomquist. I guess if you really want to believe in Yost, you can point to Betemit slugging .700 for a month and give him credit.
Overall though, nothing too exciting or meaningful. The team's two best hitters, who have been good before, are hitting well now. Yost effect!
After Butler, DeJesus and Guillen, there's really just a cluster of interchangeably blah performances. Though no one is having a complete meltdown of a .100/.150/.200 character. Which helps. Although Betancourt's numbers are awful, despite some vague sense that he was playing well (for him).
Offensive Regulars:
| BA | OBP | SLG | PAs | |
| Butler | .316 | .404 | .500 | 203 |
| DeJesus | .379 | .434 | .475 | 197 |
| Guillen | .298 | .363 | .436 | 202 |
| Aviles | .300 | .329 | .356 | 167 |
| Kendall | .257 | .310 | .299 | 187 |
| Betancourt | .233 | .256 | .362 | 172 |
| Callaspo | .256 | .286 | .347 | 189 |
| Podsednik | .293 | .338 | .342 | 207 |
| Maier | .258 | .324 | .363 | 136 |
Bench Players:
| BA | OBP | SLG | PAs | |
| Getz | .278 | .361 | .333 | 61 |
| Bloomquist | .359 | .395 | .615 | 44 |
| Betemit | .350 | .409 | .700 | 44 |
| Pena | .313 | .429 | .375 | 21 |
We'll look at the pitchers tomorrow.
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I'm sorry, but this confused me.
I see the header saying “Offensive Regulars” and then I see Maier’s name. I don’t follow.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
Probably because of the number of ABs he has
Which is twice as much as the “bench players”
I never let facts get in the way of a joke.
Also, “offensive regulars” can be read a few different ways. Especially when said list includes Betancourt. He offends me.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
I didn't think of offensive ambiguously
And that did produce a chuckle
did someone call me?
Okay, well maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupted a casino, and he was a ri-tard.
by Clearly Ambiguous on Jul 6, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize that Callaspo had been THAT bad
"Now…put that in your [BLEEP]ing pipe and smoke it." -Hal McRae
"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
I'm just glad that Aviles hasn't been in the #2 spot
Wouldn’t want him getting too hyped up and straining his TJ-repaired arm by swinging harder at #2 than he does in the uber-calm #6 spot. TOTALLY easier on him.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 6, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yuni considers it his duty
to prove us wrong about possibly being wrong about him.
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"I was doing this when BJ was in his father's nutsack." -Renzo Gracie
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 6, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
These numbers don't reveal all
Many hits in recent weeks have been huge, with two outs, with runners in scoring position, etc.That’s something we weren’t seeing before. It’s a mark of a better team mentality, a cohesiveness, a confidence. Yet each of those hits shows up as just that: one hit apiece. You can’t discern from these stats an overall picture of how the team has been playing.
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Jason Kendall
Is slugging 56 points less than David Eckstein over the same period. And less than Juan Pierre as well.
Luckily his leadership makes up for it
well, he's been calling some pretty good games lately ... that counts for something
and after all, that’’s why they got him, not for his power stroke
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In fact, you could almost go the other way
How many more wins would Yost have if Callaspo hadn’t fallen into a funk? If Guillen didn’t have the boo boo? And so on.
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Yup.
And the main reason for my Yostisfaction is simply that he’s not Trey. I despised Trey. I think how you view the new guy now depends, somewhat, on how much you loathed the old one.
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League average OPS is what, .750? ish?
and we have 6 “regulars” hitting under to well under that? Ugh.
League average wOBA is .325
DDJ .379
Butler .376
Guillen .349
Pods .326
Aviles .323
Callaspo .316
Maier .312
Kendall .28
Yuni .284
Getz .275
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the baseline is league average
Since it is tuned to the current run environment
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
@@@He Already Is@@@
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I consider myself a skeptic of this organization for sure. And...it seems like the cool thing to do here...
to root against Yost and wait for the other shoe to drop. And…this is the royals, so it likely will. However, we are not bunting nearly as often. The bullpen is insanely fun to watch right now. We may not like some of the spots in the lineup, but it is pretty set. And…yost is still coaching with what he is provided. I would like to see getz play more, but beyond that I don’t know what else to ask for from yost. 25-23 is a very solid run for this organization. I continue to look for indicators for what we will see in the future. But…as a deprived Royals fan, I am going to enjoy this run and see what happens. Let’s move Guillen and some other parts, get Kila and Gordon up here and see what happens……
Okay, well maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupted a casino, and he was a ri-tard.
by Clearly Ambiguous on Jul 6, 2010 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
and...of course moving a few of the folks in the lineup. Moving Kendall goes without saying...
Okay, well maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupted a casino, and he was a ri-tard.
by Clearly Ambiguous on Jul 6, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't express how badly I want Gordon in the lineup, somewhere.
But, there’s nothing about DM that says it will happen any time soon.
no
Gordon is hitting .243 with an OBP of .333 in his last 10 games. He’s continuously gotten worse since early June.
Kila before Gordon no matter what
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
I’m just checking his progress
He’s slowing down. Maybe he’s in a slump or pitchers are figuring him out.
I don’t like seeing he was the 2nd best best player in AAA (after Stanton and over Kila) in May, and has gotten progressively worse in June and so far the first week in July too.
I want him in KC next year playing a solid LF/RF and hitting .280 with a .350 plus OBP with power
Im not against him, I just dont like the blatant understanding of his struggles I read on RR and the taboo nature of him being a bust (which in reality he is so far) and then Guillen is fair game to criticize all the time for being so horrible (when he’s not) but brutally honest (who wouldl deny the Royals are NOT one of the worst fundamental teams in baseball!)
Gordon needs to spend the the whole year in AAA and maybe get a September callup
What do you do if he comes up here and hits .220 again with a low .300 OBP with a slugging % hovering around .400. He would be demoralized in my opinion
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
correct me if i'm wrong
but it seems like there is some sort of consensus that the improvement in play cannot and should not be attributed to yost. right? is that what everyone is arguing?
this seems like a questionable argument, as the only suggested explanation is, i guess, that magically everyone seems to have gotten their shit together.
is there really any credibility in arguing that a host of players have magically gotten their shit together, opposed to suggesting that the change in leadership and decision making has had a tangible impact?
refutation is nice, and often necessary, but i think it is most effective when you have an actual, credible, and legitimate fall back explanation. and magical shit togetherness doesn’t sound that credible.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Jul 6, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions
is there really any credibility in arguing that a host of players have magically gotten their shit together, opposed to suggesting that the change in leadership and decision making has had a tangible impact?
Yes, there is credibility in saying that players start playing better once a season is underway then when it first starts. Yes, there is credibility in saying that not putting out really crappy pitchers in relief does make a difference in performance. Yes, there is credibility in saying that teams do things in streaks. Yes, there is credibility in saying that we are talking about a small sample.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
Yes, there is credibility in saying that players start playing better once a season is underway then when it first starts.
But why? There are plenty of examples of players playing worser once a season is underway (see: Podsednik, Kendall, etc.)
your argument still suggests this special 'perfect storm' of countless fortunate events.
which i think is fine when isolated, but i guess i just don’t understand how you can be so dismissive of leadership and management.
if anything, this change is an additional element in this special perfect storm you enjoy so much. there is no way you can dismiss the effect of leadership and decision making. you can’t. its ridiculous, predictable, trendy and naive.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Jul 6, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I can be dismissive, because there is no evidence that managers have an effect.
Players do actually tend to be better as a season goes along. Bullpens do tend to get better when you put better pitchers into the bullpen.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
because baseball is an individual sport
i just don’t understand how you can be so dismissive of leadership and management.
this isnt football, where the coach calls and designs the plays, and it isn’t a restaurant, where you can hire a new cook and change the menu
the nature of the game just isn’t setup for the manager to make a huge impact
again, you’re saying I’m being dismissve, I’m just asking for evidence, evidence of ANYTHING Yost is doing. be it inspirational, tactical, different team meals ANYTHING
then why aren't we managers? why even have one/
it is, generally, an individual sport. but managerial decisions play a huge role. i can’t help but extrapolate, and analogize this to any other situation where a manager plays a role – retail, construction, education, you name it. its the institutional framework.
really, its amazing to suggest that managers don’t have an impact.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Jul 6, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's the disagreement in a nutshell.
Most of us don’t think managerial decisions (in baseball) play a huge role. There isn’t any evidence for it either.
We aren’t dismissing manager influence outside of baseball just within baseball. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence that one manager has a better ability to tell someone when to steal than another. Lineup construction doesn’t seem to have a major impact in terms of run production either. It isn’t that managers are dumb; it’s just that the particulars of baseball make is such that a manager doesn’t have many opportunities to influence the outcome of a game. In most cases, the manager puts their players on the field and watches what happens.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
So now you are arguing managers have a limited role?
I think that’s the disagreement in a nutshell.
Most of us don’t think managerial decisions (in baseball) play a huge role. There isn’t any evidence for it either.
I don’t want to harp on it but when you install Mckeon on the Marlins it made all the difference in the world.
He had a pedigree – he also won AAA championships as a manager in the KC organization winning two with Omaha!
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You are harping on it.
As one example does not make an argument. Especially, when your that managerial change happened so early in the season. It’s pretty much a meaningless example.
Also, unlike you above, my argument has not changed one bit.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
mine hasn't changed at all
Its the most meaningful one because you can’t come up with a team that started worse than the 03 Marlins and WON A WORLD SERIES NOT LOST A WORLD SERIES. And I said started worse, not have a one game better record.
Don’t let guys like Sweep and Ax who like to mess with you give you any support to an fallacious argument that managers have no impact on a ball club. Its insanity really
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the dumbest thing I think I have read on this site.
A one game difference is SO unimportant that they are essentially the same record. And winning an extra playoff game doesn’t make any difference either. I gave you your example, you were proven wrong, and you are trying desperately to not sound like a troll. You failed. Get over it.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
The dumbest thing is you can't comprehend the example I asked you to come up with
I said find a team with a worse record THAT WON THE FUCKING WORLD SERIES.
You couldn’t do that so the best you could come up with is the longest tenured manager who, by himself defeats your argument that managers don’t matter btw, and one who didn’t even win the WS that year.
If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen. You couldn’t explain why a team that started so poorly WON THE WS after changing managers, because you are clinging to this false theory that managers have ZERO impact
Your wrong man, and Im tired of bickering about a team we should all be excited is completely out of the playoffs quite yet.
Yost > Hillman.
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No, the dumbest thing is that you can't comprehend
the fact that my example is, in all principle, the exact same thing. Face it, you’re dead wrong this time.
Oh, and someone asked McKeon what he did as a manager to win the WS in 2003.
His quote : “I let the players play and stayed out of their way.”
So, your ONLY example of changing managers EVER making a difference said that he didn’t actually do anything other than let the players do things themselves.
Hmm…interesting.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
What about Jim Tracy's Rockies?
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by chicks_love_chiefs on Jul 7, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
and the Blue Jays beat the Braves 4-2
The Marlins beat the Yankees 4-2
Get your facts straight, then tell me how managers have ZERO impact
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
These guys are pros
and they’ve been playing baseball their whole lives. They are at a point where their talent is overwhelmingly the largest factor determining how productive they are.
The manager is needed because someone has to be in charge and write the names on the little card and waddle out to yell at the umpire occasionally. Sure they can help or hurt a little depending on what players they play, but there is nothing but anecdotal, after the fact evidence that they have any other significant impact.
by PopeSoria on Jul 6, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
and thats when the magic happens, right?
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Jul 6, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are off on this
Actually completely off. WHen a guy like Carlos Gonzalez gets traded from Oak to Col and suddenly becomes a good player its all because of him? Or Franklin Guietterez or Carlos Quentin or Adrian Gonzalez…etc. It has nothing to do with the manager or the other assistant coaches, the hitting/pitching coaches.
Get real
So Eric Hosmer and MIke Moustakas haven’t benefited even 1% from minor league coaching. That is what you guys are trying to say right?
You can’t sit here an say well players play and their ability is completely independent from the manager.
WTF? The manager chooses who plays and where, he chooses in what frequency. He controls the players like chess pieces.
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I'd like to clarify this, because you have a valid point that I agree with.
It has nothing to do with the manager or the other assistant coaches, the hitting/pitching coaches.
My arguments are ONLY about the manager on the field. I do think the other ones have an effect. I do think that pitching coaches and hitting coaches can help a player get it. I do NOT think that the manager on the field does any of that, though.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
WTF? The manager chooses who plays and where, he chooses in what frequency. He controls the players like chess pieces.
These things have been measure frequently. And all of the evidence points to it not mattering a whole bunch in what order someone bats.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
Yes all though its not a fact statistics and advanced metrics do dictate
that a player isn’t necessarily better in a certain spot in a lineup. We’ve beaten this to death here but I like to think Gordon was a weak 3-4-5 hitter because of pressure. I’m being more biased even if their is a shred of truth to it.
However, if you think hitting/pitching/other assistant coaches have an effect on how a player performs, a manager has an complete control on whether or not a player will be in a position to perform.
Hillman could have promoted Aviles, Betemit, made Chen a starter, pitched Tejeda more frequently, pitched Farny in certain situations.
Like i’ve said some of these can be attributed to coincidence, others are directly because of Yosts managerial decisions. its a combo
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He did do several of those things...
He did pitch Farny in similar situations and, in fact, Farnsworth’s season turned around and he started pitching better while Hillman was still here.
He doesn’t make the decision about who to promote, GMDM does.
The majority of Tejada’s innings came when Hillman was the manager, so he used him more than Yost.
Chen isn’t better than Meche when he’s healthy, so there’s no reason to make him a starter.
Truth is, managers don’t really make that many unique choices.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
HMM
first of all Meche sucks now until he’s healthy, which he may never be
Tejeda has pitched the same frequency but just better under Yost than Hillman.. He’s actually had 3 outings under Yost in which he lasted less than 1 inning and 8 under Hillman. Not a huge difference
Betemit is all Yost. And Betemit has won us some games alone. Even if you were right about Tejeda and Farnsworth which you are not (Farny had an ERA of almost 5 in April under HIllman) Betemit alone proves Yost has done a better job on that decision alone.
You think DM doesn’t consult with Hillman/Yost about who gets called up? They just happen to appear in the clubhouse and Yost/Hillman, go, “Oh DM just promoted X I had no idea bout it!”
Thats just ssilly
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Betemit has, what, 40 PAs?
seriously, he’s barely even played
Yost has believed in him enough to almost make him Bloomquist.
"why aren't we managers"
isnt the issue
again, just tell me WHAT he’s actually DOING
you are assuming inspirational changes, I guess
offensively, all that has happened is that Butler & DDJ are both fairly hot, and hitting near one another… other than some Guillen and random good games from Bllomy and Betancourt, there is no one else even playing well
Kendall… another former Yost guy who Yost loves, is hitting worse
I’m not saying managers have no impact. I’m saying its a small one.
this is getting border-line ridiculous
what is he NOT doing within the constraints of the position?
you act like we’re all hiding inside the water cooler. i don’t know what he’s doing. you don’t know what he’s not doing. but we do know that leadership and managerial talents are intangibles of considerable value, and we can all assume that the primary changes take place there.
it isn’t really a mystery. again, this developmental model is followed in institution after institution.
regardless of your original intent, this has become a situation where the alternative – implicit in the words of both you and others – is that a bunch of very fortunate things have all come together. this is what he is doing: COORDINATING THE MAGIC. good?
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Jul 7, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
but we do know that leadership and managerial talents are intangibles of considerable value,
you might, I dont
baseball isnt football, where a pitch of brute rage can make you run through a wall
sport doesn’t work like that
I'm going to disagree with you here.
I would suggest that “sport doesn’t work like that” is more true the less often you compete. For athletes who compete six times a year, it’s probably very, very true. For guys who play almost every single day for seven months… maybe not so much.
Which is to say that, I dunno, international cricket is less of a job than baseball is. And having spent over a decade in a situation where my job didn’t change much but my managers did, I can tell you right now without equivocation that I performed better under some managers than others.
Why? Some managers get in the way too much. Other managers don’t get in the way enough. Still other managers get in the way just enough. And looking at things from this angle, we can see perhaps that there’s one very salient point where we know this distinction is absolutely true of Ned Yost vs Trey Hillman:
Yost doesn’t spend his time telling his hitters “go do this specific thing which you probably don’t want to do.” He’s not bunt-happy. He hasn’t seemed to be hit-and-run-happy.
Look, that in and of itself frees the offense up. It puts the onus on the players to make things happen, rather than being micro-managed. And… oh, and this is the best part of all… which two players on offense have seemed to suffer the most under Yost? The two guys who can’t actually hit and who actually possess the skills to thrive in an environment where their manager doesn’t seem to want to let them hit half the time. Coincidence?
No. It’s a direct result of the different philosophies of Yost and Hillman. Podsednik and Kendall hit better when they’re not being asked to “hit”. They’re the kind of guys who can’t rely on power, but if they’re actually being asked to slap the ball and move runners, it tends to work out better for them. Podsednik (not so much Kendall) will accumulate more accidental hits if he’s being asked to bunt guys over; heck, is it possible that Podsednik’s chances of making an out are actually smaller if he lays down a good bunt than if he swings away? Based on his spray charts, I think there may actually be something to this.
Meanwhile, guys like Butler and DeJesus? They press at the plate when the manager has expectations of them that don’t involve the basic philosophy of “go create offense, boys”. Neither of them is a good bunter at all. Neither of them is particularly adept at being Tony Gwynn and hitting the ball where they want it to go; they’re just good at hitting the ball hard and having it fall in. With a manager who’s not expecting them to do these things (and, I might add, who’s not kvetching all the time about their inability to do them)… well, really, is it even rational to argue that the manager makes no difference then?
That said, I think a lot of the other arguments used to support “this manager is better than that manager” are complete horseshit. Players don’t play better because of chemistry. They play better because they want to, or because the demands made of them mesh more comfortably with their talents and/or lack of same. (Or, you know, just because of statistical significance over time.) But to circle back to my original point: nobody who has ever performed the same basic job under a succession of different managers would ever argue that managers are simply irrelevant. We can quibble about the level to which this matters at the end of the season when we’re looking at the standings, and that’s a fair cop, but that could be chalked up to one other very simple truth:
Joe Blow may be a great manager for Bob and Steve, and an absolutely lousy manager for Ron and Jim, because Bob and Steve are different from Ron and Jim. The poetic thing? It applies to those of us not playing the game as well, because some of us will think Joe Blow is the absolute shit, while other will simply think Joe Blow is shit.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
a great point
I like it when an argument points to something being unquantifiable and then itself implies that the truth is itself unquantifiable. And I’m not being smarmy, I legitimately like it.
people are screaming that the team just "looks better" under Yost
and that he’s made a difference
I’m trying to find actual evidence of what has changed, not BS inferences after the fact
and the crazy thing is
25-23 is not really that awesome or even that statistically anomalous
we’re arguing about the merits of a pretty small improvement
I have half a mind to do a huge study on this
But I don’t think it would change people’s minds either way no matter the outcome, and I am neglecting too much real work to do it.
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Reason to do it.
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by philofthenorth on Jul 6, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
if the team would go something like 18-11, THEN
we could give credit to the manager, noting that he must be some sort of savant
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 7, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
HMM a random list
Aviles was bumped to the back of the lineup
Betemit was called up in June after Yost was hired and is slugging .700
Chen became a starter under Yost after Meche was forced to the DL
Tejeda has pitched 50% more innings since mid May and June than in April and his ERA dropped 9 runs
Farny has pitched 33% more innings since mid May and June than in April and his ERA has dropped 3.5 runs
Jose Guillen has a positive UZR so far in 2010 allowing for Betemit to be a monster
Nothing drastic, but tangible enough to notice. The lineup is more consistent overall. Like I’ve been saying you can’t say its just the manager, and you can’t say its simply the players performing better, its a combination
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
What about this ...
Isn’t the better record under Yost really pretty much attributable to decent relief from Marte, Farnsworth and Tejeda that was non-existent earlier in the year. So the meager runs scored now are enough to win some games.
People arguing that 25-23 means Yost has "made a difference"
lose the right to mock Dayton Moore’s “18-11!!!” nonsense from last season.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 6, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
nah
We would have been 11 – 18 without Greinke. Because one of our players has the best start IN THE HISTORY of baseball doesn’t mean you can compare the two seasons.
I get yelled at for sample size but 48 games vs 29 games too
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 6, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a reply to this
But it kept getting longer and longer, so I ended up turning it into a fanpost
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so the guys that SHOULD be hitting the best ARE hitting the best ...
… and this is some kind of BAD thing? what? this is normal … you bitching about Yost? what? I don’t get it …
th eman’s doing a decent job, leave it at that and be glad he’s not screwing things up like Hillman
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not to be on the fence
but i think it’s obvious that the talent of a team is the most important factor in how they perform…better players=better record.
however, having been a part of numerous organizations, i strongly feel that there is something very real yet unquantifiable (unless looking at the end result) in leadership, even for baseball, which is mostly an individual sport.
i’m a cpa, and while we work as teams on a lot of projects, it’s a lot of individual performances that bring together a successful finished product. one talented and experienced manager can make a large difference in the success or failure of that project…up the line, our department heads are responsible for making sure our year is successful, while our managing partner is responsible for the overall long-term success of the firm.
at each level, there has to be competent management that can effectively utilize the resources at their disposal, and be able to get their staff to give what’s called “discretionary effort”, that which is above and beyond what that person’s average performance otherwise would be.
personally, i think it’s more a matter of having a group of people all “rowing in the same direction” or buying into the process (sorry), kind of what joe po alluded to about chemistry on a baseball team not being about the individuals getting along, but an organization that has a clear direction and people on board that buy into that direction, followed by foot soldiers that are capable of executing what the leaders’ vision is.
as far as tangible evidence of exactly WHAT Yost is doing, there’s not a lot…bunting much less, his treatment of hochevar during the chicago game, his “talk” with farnsworth, and those are just the things we see.
i think the most likely reasons for the improvement thus far are (in order) an improved bullpen, chen/lerew providing unexpectedly competent performance, players “relaxing” or “focusing” better under yost (due to more defined roles, more respect for him vis a vis hillman, being a better fit with the personnel), a slightly weaker schedule, and random variation.
so, i do think leadership makes a difference, but it matters more the further up the chain of command you go. i know i would have HATED to work for a micromanager like allard baird, and i probably would have quickly lost respect for hillman-his lack of confidence was more transparent than air.`
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Jul 6, 2010 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

















