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The Lesson of 2008

 

On August 31, 2008, the Royals looked dead to the baseball world.  A shocking September run lifted the spirits of the KC baseball faithful and visions of competing in 2009 ran through everyone’s minds.  In the 08/09 offseason, a variety of moves was made in the interest of contention in 2009 that were deleterious to the team’s long term and short-term chances.  In light of this recent Royals hot streak, it is important to remember the lesson of 2008.


Star-divide

On August 29, 2008, the Royals record was 56-78.  Following a 2007 that saw the team improve its win total for the second consecutive year, 2008 seemed headed in the opposite direction.  But, fueled by an insane month of Ryan Shealy, Kyle Davies stringing five excellent starts together, the soft September callup-infused lineups and pitching staffs of other teams, four games against baseball’s first ever $100 million payroll/100 loss team, the Royals slayed the month of September, going 18-7.

 

The Royals hot September meant that the good guys finished in not-last-place for the first time since 2003, reaching the seventy-five win ‘milestone’.  Improvement on the win total for three consecutive seasons, a finish out of the cellar, and a hot conclusion to the season had many people believing that the Royals were, at long last, ready to contend for the postseason.

 

Based on the assumption that contention was in play, the 2008/2009 offseason was handled accordingly.  The two biggest moves of the offseason were acquiring Coco Crisp and Mike Jacobs in exchange for two young, pre-arb relievers.  The loss of those relievers necessitated the signing of Kyle Farnsworth and Juan CruzWillie Bloomquist, Horacio Ramirez, and Sydney Ponson were also brought in to round out the team, Miguel Olivo’s option was exercised.

 

The short term result was a disaster.  Despite an overrated 18-11 start, the 2009 team regressed mightily, well out of contention before the all-star break.  Mike Jacobs was a disaster and no longer plays major league baseball.  Coco Crisp was decent for a month, then out for the rest of the season with injuries.  Farnsworth was a disaster in meaningful situations early in the year, but pitched well enough in mop up duty later in the season to make his overall numbers not too horrible, though he has admittedly been better this year.  Juan Cruz had the opposite season trajectory, initially unhittable before injury and ineffectiveness ruined his season, he no longer plays major league baseball.  Ho-Ram and Ponson did not survive the season with the team.  Willie Bloomquist...was Willie Bloomquist.  And so on.

 

The financial ramifications were also troublesome.  While none of those individual deals was a total albatross in of itself, add them up and it is a lot more money.  Twenty million or so spent on a bunch of scrubs that could have been spent on the draft, international signings, an impact free agent, saved for next year, etc.

 

The long-term implications of the failed offseason moves are less clear but more ominous.  A year of ML at-bats for Kila Ka'aihue was instead wasted on the DFA’d Mike Jacobs.  Development of Mitch Maier was stalled by playing Crisp.  Cheap bullpen building blocks Ramon Ramirez and Leo Nunez were gone from the team.  A second round draft pick was forfeited for signing Juan Cruz.  A year behind the plate for Brayan Pena was lost.  The notion that contention was possible also led to the panic trade for Yuniesky Betancourt.  While it’s true that DM and company think that Yuni is or at least can be a shortstop is a problem in of itself, but it seems that such a trade, prospects for a veteran, is less likely if the team didn’t think it was contending.

 

It might turn out that Pena really can’t catch and Kila really does have slider bat speed.  That’s fine.  But at least we would have known that in 2009 instead of finding that out in 2011, and we would have been two years ahead in finding and developing replacements for those failed prospects.  If Kila proves to not be the answer, maybe we take a flyer on a Jake Fox type and win the lottery.  Maybe when we move Mark Teahen, we go after different players in return since our perception of organizational need has changed.

 

Maybe everything that possibly can goes right in 2011 and it really is a contending year.  Moose has the rookie year that Ryan Braun had, Montgomery is Strasburg, Gordon lives up to his ridiculous expectations, etc.  What makes contention that year more likely?  Kila the rookie DH or Kila the two year veteran DH?  Maier the AAAA part timer, or Maier the two year starter? 

 

This recent Royals hot streak has been fun.  “Man, I LOVE winning! You know? It's like, better than losing!”  But, as trading season approaches, it’s important to keep things in perspective.  The Royals would have to win like 65% of their remaining games to win the division.  Plus, leapfrogging three teams is much harder than just catching one team.  Deciding to not sell on the veterans on the team or, horror of horrors, becoming buyers at the deadline would be a disaster. 

 

There is a difference between ‘turning things around’ or ‘the team finally coming together’ and a month of good play/good luck.  I would hate to see contending in 2012 or 2013 take a step back so that contending in 2010 could take a teeny tiny step forward that would still leave us far short.  To say nothing of the fact that selling on the veterans could actually improve the team in the short term.  Replacing Guillen and Pods with Kila and Gordon plus less Bloomquist could very well make contending in 2010 MORE likely than keeping them would.  When tempted to keep the team together based on the recent hot streak, it’s important to remember 2008, when we let a month of hot baseball obfuscate the rest of the season, and the team suffered for it in the long term and the short term.

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if they don’t trade away their veteran leadership for prospects by the trading deadline, I will lose all hope for this franchise. I don’t care if we win 6 in a row, we are not contending this year, but we might next year. Let’s build towards that.

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by buddyball on Jul 8, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Well put

A good test to see if any lessons have been learned is whether by August, anyone over 30 is still playing every day. Well, Kendall is a given, unfortuantely, but no one else over 30 should be playing every day.

by Gopherballs on Jul 8, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not wishing injury on anyone

but wouldn’t it be great if some contending team’s catchers went down and suddenly there was a tiny market for Kendall? Pena could start and Pina could back up.

by AxDxMx on Jul 8, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome

Just imagine the hijinx that would ensue with a Pena/Pina catching duo.

by Soria's Unibrow on Jul 8, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of like when we had both Tejeda and Tejada relieving?

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 8, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring Roman back

when Christian is brought up. Dual Colons!! Then sign Bartolo as a reclamation project! TRIPLE COLONS!!! Think of the possibilities…you’d have to think that at least two of the three would blow.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But 1 out of 3 wouldn't blow?

I like those odds.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't be

:::

It would be

:;;

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by jonfmorse on Jul 8, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

On August 29, 2008

We had the fourth worst record in baseball. Had we finished 2-26, we would have landed Stephen Strasburg!

But seriously, we probably did cost ourselves a shot at Mike Leake.

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

We probably would have selected Mike Minor

LHP instead.

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by 306008 on Jul 8, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

great reminder

perception of your own team must be realistic in order for good moves to be made

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by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Jul 8, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm enjoying it

but it would crush my soul if we traded prospects for “help” at the deadline. It’s taken from the start of 2009 until just now to get over the crippling decisions that were made. I sure hope Moore learned that…

by sfeldkamp on Jul 8, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

you seem to indicate that early in 2009, the Royals went 18-11

I was not aware of this important statistic.

Do you have a citation to authority for this assertion?

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by StonewallPDS on Jul 8, 2010 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I had to dig through dusty archives of the kansas city store that were hidden away in the basement of the library to unearth this previously unknown truth.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on Jul 8, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? My advisory company has them at Market Perform

but they are truly interested in the numbers for the 3rd quarter. Those will tell the tale, though the future is bright either way.

By the way, I don’t know how much you pay attention to this, but if you wait for the advisor to up his rating, you probably missed the boat on buying, or at least buying at a really good price.

by AxDxMx on Jul 8, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dean Taylor is already shopping for a new Volvo

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a problem here

We tend to keep running guys out there. If Gordon was on this team, and he had Mitch Maier’s stat this town would be calling for his head. But, despite being 28 years old- we keep running mitch out there nightly. This will change when Ankiel returns, we will get to watch him K every third at bat. Instead of running Maier out there we should have had D. Robinson or Lough. I believe in treating each prospect differently. Robinson is not a highly touted prospect, so get him up here and see if anything clicks. I favor a slower approach with higher quality guys like Moose, Hosmer and Wil. Davies for another example, has a low ceiling. Why keep sending him out there?? Ii would rather watch Bullington or even give Robinson Tejada another shot at starting.

We finally have hope in this town when it comes to the Royals. Our system looks really good. Dayton has done a great job in the recent drafts, but he is getting in his own way. He needs to understand that our fans want to see our hope ASAP. We don’t want to watch Ankiel or Guillen. We would buy more tickets to see Kila and Gordon. We don’t want to watch Kendal every night, we want to see future stars not players that sign here because they don’t have better options.

by 102win on Jul 8, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Maier's defense is a lot better than Ankiel's

and his bat is probably even unless Ankiel starts homering every 12th AB.

by AxDxMx on Jul 8, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

MITCH is the best defender on the team this year

according to UZR: http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Royals&pos=all&stats=fld&qual=0&type=1&season=2010&month=0

And I can’t see how any scouts would disagree considering the fact that he turned CF at Safeco into a giant suckhole directly to his glove for anything hit in the air last night.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

He has played well on defense at times. I never said he sucks, Kyle Davies doesn’t suck either. But are they holding someone else back?

by 102win on Jul 8, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he's played well on defense consistently better than any other current Royal

And who exactly is Davies “holding back”?

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ghost of TPJ

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 8, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ghost of roadkill past?

Sorry, random Whose Line is it Anyway? reference.

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by 306008 on Jul 8, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss that show so much

“I’m your lightning rod of hate.” Classic.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 8, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its great

On once in a while if you’re lucky. :)

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by 306008 on Jul 8, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mitch isn't holding anyone back.

At least not yet. Parraz, Lough, Robinson… they’re prospects, but they haven’t even reached the point yet where we should be thinking they’re an improvement over Maier. Maybe later… hell, probably later, with at least one of them. But not yet.

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by jonfmorse on Jul 8, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most amazing thing there

is that Billy has a 0.0 UZR so far this year! Wow! I knew he looked better, but I’m surprised he’s been league average.

Maybe that says more about crappy first baseman than anything else.

by thehopper on Jul 8, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit, you're right

My bad. I forgot about the Non-GMDM-Acquired Fielder Rules.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, you want Derrick Robinson to be our starting CF over Mitch Maier?

I get that Mitch isn’t an all-star or anything, but are you serious? Jump D-Rob up 2 levels because you have given up on a 28-year old AAAA CF or backup CF that plays better CF defense than any of the other outfielders and that can hit reasonably well for what he is?

Davies, yes. No reason to have him around. I just don’t get the Mitch hatred when the fact that him starting is such a huge victory for a team that makes a lot of questionable decisions on starters.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 8, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

My point is Maier does not have what we want, I doubt his defense is better than Robinson and we could use his speed if/when he gets on base. Maier playing everyday goes hand and hand with the above topic. We want solutions at positions not just guys to fill up the lineup card. Robinson could be a great 4th outfield option in 2012 when we are good. He could PR and steal some bases late in games. Mitch has zero SB’s, zero pop and has had low BA’s.

by 102win on Jul 8, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

We

Started replacing guys in the pen and it has worked. Who is the last position guy that was replaced on performance?

by 102win on Jul 8, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

we seem to have more guys pitching wise to recycle than position guys.. dont you think? Perhaps that is why none of the position guys are getting recycled.

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by 306008 on Jul 8, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Robinson's defense may well be better than Maier's, but...

(and I would guess that Robinson’s defense probably is better than Maier’s) but can Robinson manage a .330 OBP in the majors? Robinson has been a terrible hitter in the minors until this year. I don’t think we should assume that he’s finally put it all together and that he’ll be a decent MLB hitter. He has a ton left to prove. You’re right that Maier isn’t a long-term solution at CF for the Royals. He’s a below average MLB player and will likely continue to be so. But there isn’t yet reason to believe that Robinson will be better.

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

I see what you’re saying, 102win, but this example in itself is not a good one. Robinson is just far, far, far, far, far, far too unprepared for the majors. Mitch is at least serviceable to average. A better argument would be Lough for Pods or Kila for Guillen or Gordon for Pods or etc. etc. etc. But, we’ve all made those arguments before.

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by MinnesotaRoyal on Jul 8, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather sign Joey Gathright than promote D-Rob

And I believe he is still available!

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually bringing Robinson up every September might be a good idea.

He could pinch run and then stay in for defense. Who cares if we put a month at a time on his MLB clock?

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by BabyBlues on Jul 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

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by RoyalsRetro on Jul 8, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

does it not count towards options, maybe?

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 8, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

but yea

for guys like D Rob, you really dont even need to worry about the arb clock, bc you probably dont even want them in 4 years anyway

by Freneau on Jul 8, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I highly doubt

that anyone, either outside the Royals organization or inside it, would say that Maier is blocking Robinson’s promotion.

Maier’s AA stats:
.306/.357/.473

Robinson’s AA stats:
.303/.368/.388

Robinson’s stolen base success rate this year is around 64%. Not as good as it needs to be for a net positive. So, Maier has more “pop” (or more potential for “pop,” at least) than Robinson, and Robinson hasn’t yet learned how to take full advantage of his speed by stealing bases successfully enough. I like Robinson’s potential, but there’s no way the Royals should be considering a call-up for him to get time over Maier in CF at this point.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a little worried about the sudden NWA breakouts

Massive jumps in hitting numbers from Moose, C. Robinson and D. Robinson. How much of that is the players developing and how much of it is a very hitter friendly home park? I don’t know. Just wondering.

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like I saw a chart somewhere

that showed it being a slight hitters’ park, but I think it was done in 2008, so very little data to base it on. I’m sure there’s probably been an update.

For Moustakas, going from what is universally acknowledged as a strong pitchers’ park in Wilmington to Springdale would explain some of it. His is most likely to be rapid natural development based on his talent, though.

As for the Robinsons, who knows. Maybe they just both “figured it out” at the same time. You would expect that from Clint, who is of the age that if he wasn’t mashing AA pitching, he’d probably be on his way out of the organization.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard that it helps LH hitters a lot

But I don’t have numbers to back it up. FWIW, Moose and Clint are LH and D-Rob is a switch hitter who is a much better hitter as a lefty.

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

NWA Park Factors by handedness

according to Stat Corner

100 is average, over is “favorable to hitters”

LHB:

K: 94
BB: 98
1B: 100
2B: 106
3B: 93
HR: 116

RHB:

K: 99
BB: 105
1B: 101
2B: 105
3B: 125
HR: 94

slight hitters park overall, very favorable to LH power hitters, according to these factors.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

and keep in mind the 3B numbers might be problematic

due to samples and stuff. I have been meaning to ask Matthew Carruth if he regresses, and how much

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm....

not sure, I think over 100 means “more than league average,” so the K and BB numbers for LHB might be favorable to hitters. Not sure either way

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

change that sentence so that it makes sense

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

HR: 116 (for LH)

Yikes. And then Moose would go to the hitter friendly PCL. It will be hard to get a good read on him before he gets to KC.

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Omaha's LHB HR factor is 113, too

so that should temper expectations about Gordon and Kila, although CHONE’s updated projections like them okay

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the heck here's Wilmington's factors

for LHB/RHB

K: 109/107
BB: 1008/114
1B: 96/91
2B: 89/96
3B: 130/132
HR: 79/64

talk about a contrast.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

HR: 79/64

Holy crap. If I were the Royals GM, I’d use a tiny percentage of my budget to pay the Blue Rocks to move their fences in a little, and I’d pay the Naturals to move their RF fence out a bit. Ideally I’d want all of my minor league parks to be neutral.

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you think THAT is scary

check KCA:

LHB/RHB:

K: 87/91
BB: 105/91
1B: 105/101
2B: 118/108
3B: 121/121
HR: 71/85

Now, I should say that all these are straight factors, not “adjusments” for stats. In other words, they are just for the stadiums. So ifyou were adjusting stats or for projections over a full season where with a run park factor of 110, “the adjustment” for player stats would be 105, since half the games are played away (that’s the simple way of doing it, you could also adjust for the specific team schedule, but that’s a pain).

Still… In A+ the Royals have a major pitchers park, that not only supppresses HRs, but doubles as well. Then in AA, you have a serious hitters park, and in AAA it’s homer park as well. Then when you get to the majors, it’s pretty neutral, except the park REALLY suppresses home runs… ESPECIALLY for left-handed hitters.

I’m not sure what can really be done about it, we’d have to look around the league, as it wouldn’t surprise me if other teams were in similar situations. I agree that it might make sense to move in the fences some in Wilmington, but it’s not always that simple (especially considering how the rest of the league can change in terms of run environment).

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those numbers surprise me for the K.

Are the fences that far out? I guess a south wind could be whipping around the right field side knocking down a lot of balls.

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by Warden11 on Jul 8, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I have no idea

it’s not always the fence location, as you’re getting at

By the way, for Omaha concerns, it’s worth noting that both Danger Ox and Kila have the same number of homers on the road as at home

Moustakas, on the other hand, had 17 homers at home, and 4 on the road. I’m hesitant to make a big deal out of that in a small sample (and people I’ve talked to say he’s pretty unbelievable in batting practices they’ve seen), but that it pretty shocking.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any idea how the new Sarpy County park

is going to play? Is there any way to reliably project park factors before any balls are hit just based on dimensions? Or do you HAVE to have a big enough sample size of actual hitting results before you can reach any conclusions?

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Jul 8, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, I think you can predict them, but then

again, look what happened at the new Yankees stadium and the “jetstream”

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 8, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm...

a physicist or someone like that might be able to give you some general ideas, but park factors (both component and general) are all based on data, so while in principle it would be possible, getting usable numerical park factors straight from physical measurements seems pretty impossible to me at the moment, although I could be wrong.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

close

I think the break even point is closer to 70%.

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by Scott McKinney on Jul 8, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

When me and my friends were playing Strat-O-Matic back in the early '80s

we figured out OBP all by ourselves, since it was obvious that a walk put a guy on first and that was a good thing. We calculated it for each of the cards and used that instead of AVG. (This is why we all wanted Joe Morgan on our team even in like ’82.) We figured out through sheer experience that you should steal if your guy on first was 1-13 (65%) to be safe. Since the only stats on the cards were AB, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, and AVG, we figured up this thing we called Power Percentage, which was total bases on hits divided by at bats. Nobody ever used the hit and run, and we only sacrificed when the pitcher or Doug Flynn was up.

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by Juancho on Jul 8, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullington? No way man.

Davies is showing signs and I know that he has been showing signs but never taken the steps…. maybe this is the steps. He’s had two good outings in a row… right? It’s time for a bad one and then let’s see how he bounces back.

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by 306008 on Jul 8, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...

doesn’t 6 innings pitched and 3 runs allowed count as a quality start???

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by aHorseWithNoName on Jul 8, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, but he can't control his HR/FB%, so those are irrelevant

?

Actually, I don’t know how many fly balls he gave up, so maybe 2 HR was right on target.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jul 8, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

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by Matt Klaassen on Jul 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

I look at it like this….. We might have some diamond in the rough type guys sitting in the minors. Instead of watching the same thing every night I would see what we have. It is a little radical mind you, but I would only do it with certain guys. Osuna (injured at moment) is a guy that I would throw out there and see what happens. We have already seen too many Davies starts, we know what he has. Osuna isn’t a top tier guarded prospect like Monty, Duffy, Crow, Lamb,Melville or Dwyer (Nice list to type out by the way). So we should not be woried about the “Gordon effect”. We can really only win with guys like that. Lough, Robinson and maybe Lucas.

After thinking they kind of did this with Maier this year, however if Bloomy would have started the season hot, then I think Mitch would only have about 75 ab’s and we would still have questions about him. So they really just did it by default—-Ankiel injury and Bloomy batting his weight!!!

by 102win on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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