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The Competitive Advantage of Valuing the Draft and Prospects Is Dwindling

I've made this point and voiced this concern before, but I think it's worth repeating here on Draft Signing Night: the competitive advantage to going all-in with the draft and player development and valuing young talent is much much smaller than it once was.

Premises:

  1. Other than teams at the very peak of the success cycle, and usually only about half of them, nobody is willing to trade prospects, real prospects, very often. We see this at the deadline and at the winter meetings. Unless we're talking about elite talent, elite talent with money coming back, impact prospects just aren't traded for veteran players anymore. The kinds of deals that were fairly common in the 1980s and 1990s just don't happen much anymore. You can get prospects in bulk or you can get money or you can keep your guy. That's the new paradigm.
  2. 90% of the industry really values the draft now and the media/fan/old ownership backlash to "bonus baby" contracts & payouts is just about dead. This is entirely an internet driven phenomenon, not unlike the new obsession, 365 days a year, with major college recruiting. We know about these guys so much more than we did in 1995 and so do the most influential media members in each market. There will always be teams that end up going cheap at random times for random reasons, but the new industry trend is to go big in the draft. It's been like this since at least the middle of the 2000s, and with the Moneyball approach to drafting out of favor and even the Astros spending big now, it looks destined to continue.
  3. Baseball's unique salary structure has reinforced premises #1 & #2, and continues to do so. Those six years of service-time controlled salaries generate huge value for teams, as they usually coincide with a player's most productive seasons.

Star-divide

Thus, we have the situation developing today, where the newest school and oldest school teams are doing the same thing. The two biggest cultural divides of the 1990s and early 2000s are basically non-existent now. (Save for extreme teams.) The biggest impact that statistical analysis has had on the on the game hasn't come in game strategy or roster construction, which are still pretty plainly messed up. Rather, over the last decade, player contracts have gotten smarter and smarter (from the team perspective). The middle-class FA market has collapsed, as the concept of freely available talent and replacement level has become mainstream. The smartest place, when you break down the economics, whether you be Boston (big market, new school) or Minnesota (pseudo-small market, old school) is to generate cheap players and assets in the minor leagues. Those teams may end up viewing different 22 year olds as assets, but it's more or less the same model. It sounds crazy now, but in the early post-FA period, not everyone was buying into this. There were always a number of clubs who pretty clearly (no matter what they said) didn't make the minor leagues a priority.

I believe that the consequences of what I have laid out above, for the Royals, are pretty dire. This may sound like a criticism, but in part, it is simply a tragic circumstance. When I hear the Royals talk about their "process" I get the sense that they believe (or are trying to make us believe) that what they're doing is something novel and unique in the industry. Increasingly, it is not. Increasingly, it is what everyone is doing. The Yankees, the Red Sox, the freakin' Astros (who spent heavily this draft) everyone. When the Twins went all-in with minor league player development in the late 1990s, it really was relatively unique. Franchises like the Orioles and the Cubs and Texas and on and on were still trying to win with FA spending. I can't think of a team that has done something like that in years and years. Who was the last team that signed four or five big FAs over a few years to try to build something? Teams just don't do that anymore.

Now, the Royals are doing the only thing they can do, only now, so are teams that can also win in other ways.

 

The Royals pretty clearly want to be the Twins, but the Twins aren't the Twins much anymore. Minnesota has nearly a $100 million dollar payroll this season, and with Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau making over $35 million between the two of them per season in upcoming years, they're going to have to keep spending money. Minnesota plays in a larger, wealthier market than the Royals, and they increasingly look like your classic mid-market team. Much like, in the end, the industry caught up to what the A's were doing and killed their initial model, to an extent the Twins are a victim of their own success. The new reality, for truly low-salary clubs, may be a short window of contention, like those enjoyed by Cleveland and Milwaukee this decade. (Cleveland, it should be noted, was built on the Bartolo Colon trade, which brought back a package that would be unheard of today. Truly one of the last old-school idiotic trades of the era.) Milwaukee, was, in reality, never really good. They were more mediocre+NL. Not hatin' but that's the reality. Cleveland however, was good enough to win the World Series in 2007. That roster had a number of guys who needed to get paid, and they ended up paying Hafner and Sizemore, while Sabathia and Lee, essentially, walked.

Of course, we have the more ambitious dream of being "the next Rays." However, we don't really know what that even means just yet. Right now, the Rays haven't really accomplished more than the mid-00s Indians did. They did more, but not much more. Admittedly, if you drop the Rays in the AL Central, you'd have a five year dynasty, but there's a flip side to that. Being in the AL East forced the Rays to build their model in precisely that manner. Getting to 85 wins and hoping to catch some breaks (i.e. what 2/3rds of the NL habitually does along with the AL Central) wasn't going to be good enough. Finally, even if we grant that OMG the Rays are awesome, we still don't know that they'll make the playoffs this year or what will happen in 2011 and beyond.

When I think about the future of the Royals, for the Royals to have a successful decade in the teens (multiple playoff appearances, multiple years in contention) here's what they need to do:

  • Build the best farm system in baseball over multiple years. A farm system so good that it keeps graduating players, yet stays in the Top 5. This is by it's very nature difficult, but will get more difficult for the reasons outlined above.
  • Eventually, ownership will have to commit to being a mid-revenue team in terms of payroll. This will require the fans to endure ticket price increases and a healthier attendance. It might happen, it might not.
  • The front office will have to choose the correct players to pay, which will require both intelligence and luck.
  • When the Royals get to the mid-revenue stage, the FO will have to sign the right pieces rather than the wrong ones. A truism, yes, but it needs to be said.
  • And, if the goal is really a long period of success, then the Royals will have to aggressively address their position, both with regards to moving up and moving down. They can't "go for it" as a core 83 win club and fail. Similarly, when one wave of prospects begins to fade and leave the organization as FAs, they may have to aggressively tear down that club a year early rather than a year late. The tight trade market makes that decision harder, but it also, weirdly, creates a new market opportunity. Right now, the Royals probably want to hold on to Zack Greinke for a 2012 run, which is probably a mistake. The aggressive move would be to punt on 2012 and try to be a 95 win team in 2014.

Can the Royals do all these things? I don't think so. That's not an anti-Moore statement. To date, in the post-FA, post-idiocy era, NO small-market front office has been able to build a consistent winner. The A's and Rays have had the best low-salary teams, while the Twins have been good for the most seasons. Still, if the Royals can simply get to being consistently a .500 team, Dayton might deserve that parade.

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Excellent article

All of this seems very plausible.

I think one thing that could be added, at least speculatively, what will occur in the next collective bargaining agreement (Hard slotting)? And what effect will that have on the Royals and other smaller market teams?

I loathe David Glass

by RoyalJHWKR on Aug 17, 2010 3:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that would really hurt small market teams

its still a much better gamble for the royals and other small market teams to spend big at the draft level than on the FA market

the numbers are so much smaller and you’re getting more years of control

if that leveled out, it might be beneficial for the owners as a group, but it would leave small market teams without many options

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard slotting

is essentially a done deal, and it will hurt the Royals. Under such a system, everyone should always be able to sign their number 1 picks; there’s very little incentive for any first-rounder to sit out 1-3 years to move up a few slots. But picks like Myers, Lamb, Dwyer and Adam, for example, will be much more risky picks, because a lot of those guys will do the only thing they can to increase their payoff—go to college and try to raise their stock. It’s a huge gamble for the kid (see Royals 2007 9th rounder Zack Kenyon), but can pay off (see Royals 2008 7th rounder Jason Esposito). Thus, your going to see a lot less impact picks per year for the Royals, while the rich will still get richer, cause teams with desireable free agents will get the compensatory picks and thus more talent per year.

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by CentralChamps20?? on Aug 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I see the downside, but small market teams are also helped in the sense that

the top picks won’t break the bank. It depends on how the slotted salaries are structured, but under a slotting system the “sure-thing” picks won’t have a giant price tag attached and won’t be as risky for those teams that are perennially picking in the top 5.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

imagine Wieters, Porcello, Zack Cox wouldn’t have quite the leverage. And there’d be no BS posturing before the draft, you’d just ask the prospect if you can sign them where you draft them and be done with it.

One thing that could help is giving teams the ability to trade picks. I would think this could help small market teams, maybe the Royals could hoard 2nd-5th rd picks at the deadline and use them to sign second-tier high school guys willing to sign (just like Duffy, Lamb but not Myers, Melville)

by gilmeche55 on Aug 17, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting

to think about how much hard slotting my hurt the talent available in the draft. Less high school guys would be picked as the draft goes on, and it also makes it tougher to sign away two-sport athletes.

by gilmeche55 on Aug 17, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

Luckily for the Royals and their fans, the Royals moved into this direction when DM took the job.

The owners committed money and resources to improve the minor league system at every level. The Royals will reap some benefits from this, I believe it.

If the Royals are put in a position to trade Greinke, I would expect that the Royals would get an everyday day player back to start, and prospects.

Very deep system. Very bright future.

by Peterman700 on Aug 17, 2010 4:42 AM EDT reply actions  

yes...

DM got started ahead of, say, the Pirates and Nats, but it’s not like he was ahead of the bulk of the industry

still, they did have a few years of being the top draft/int spender

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

at least in regard to paying overslot for draft picks

the Pirates started doing this in the 2008 draft, just like the Royals and a half dozen other teams.

by Gopherballs on Aug 17, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

+ 1

Great article! Though rather dire for us. The Royals need to beat the other teams at player evaluation. Statistics and scouting. More Jaokim Soria like finds, no Jose Guillens.

by sfeldkamp on Aug 17, 2010 7:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The other area where investment

may still produce a competitive advantage is player development. Coach up, build up what you’ve got.

by sfeldkamp on Aug 17, 2010 7:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wonder where the Royals rank on this...

it seems like we tend to destroy promising or even established careers (Affeldt? Meche) through bad coaching and conditioning. Probably impossible to measure reliably, but how many times have we seen a underperformer leave and achieve on a different team? Of course there are cases (Beltran) where it goes the other way (the Mets suck). Maybe other teams just have better quality HGH.

by kgustaf on Aug 17, 2010 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Affeldt was just mismanaged

but i’m not sure you can blame the royals

they wanted to get max value out of him, which was either as a starter or closer…

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did he overcome the blister problem?

And why couldn’t we figure it out before trading him for junk? He seems to be pretty successful as a bullpen role-player now.

by kgustaf on Aug 17, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, when the big money teams started to get smart...

that really was a very very big deal that I don’t think got talked about enough at the time

a team like the mets used to be the rule, now they are the exception

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you explain to me other than saber signings is there anything the Royals can do that can make a dent in success?

The mid and small market teams can’t play the don’t trade prospects game. KC needs to keep loading up on talent and in the international game and if they can get a wave of talent similar to what they have with a few players behind them then they can trade a piece or two for talented major leaguers. This is the advantage they can get being the one team that will trade talented prospects because they have so many.

They are going to have to evaluate the major league talent better but I think they can do a better job of it when they are trading real prospects as opposed to a Dan Cortes.

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by kcscoliny on Aug 17, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Roster construction

I think of this as three things
Giving the manager the right options to be able to rest players without losing to much as well as pinch hit/run when necessary.
Platoon options so that guys # 23, 24 & 25 aren’t just scrubs who never see the field, they’re actually players who serve the team by virtue of their handedness.
Doing the above efficiently so that the money is spent on the guys who get the majority of the PT, not on “Bloomquists”.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Royals have to get crazy

they have to strike it rich in the draft and then be willing to pay those guys down the road

but more than that, the royals can’t be conservative if they really want to win a WS or two

as I said, they will need to gamble and win a handful of times, and also be willing to make aggresive/gigantic trades to keep fuelling the system

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're just

trying to prepare us for a Greinke trade. They need to pay him to stay.

by kgustaf on Aug 17, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

and part of being crazy is being innovative

Not being afraid to try something out of the ordinary just because it might fail (or go against sacred “tradition”).

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say the White Sox are still built on the 'old model'...

lot of free agent signings, not all that many ‘homegrown’ players, etc.

by Bart41 on Aug 17, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

There is something weird about Chicago.

Their players never get hurt. They consistently are near the top with the least days lost to the DL.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 17, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Chicago Area

Is renowned for its healthy lifestyle.
.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 17, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

a little bit

but they also use their farm system to make trades (Quentin, Peavy, Danks, Floyd etc)

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reinsdorf is perhaps Selig's closest ally

so the White Sox have generally refrained from going overslot in the draft. The Sox, however, like to spend on Cubans and other international free agents.

by Gopherballs on Aug 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

wouldn’t the scarcity of teams willing to trade prospects increase the value of such prospects teams are willing to trade?

Seems like MLB is getting closer to an NBA model where teams with ‘cap space’ rule the trade market and can made some pretty one-sided deals.

by Bart41 on Aug 17, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe so...

the problem is, someone has to have the balls to flip the market around…

not sure the royals will be that team

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe health is one aspect that teams could improve on.

Teams the figure out when/if players might go on DL/lose time will do better.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 17, 2010 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

This article is like a splash of bad coffee in the face.

Sure, I’m awake, but I ain’t happy.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Will, shhhhhhh

If this happens, it means the big market teams will once again begin to dominate the game, bringing the revenue sharing issue into focus more sharply. This will give David Glass the excuse he needs to stop spending money and spending ANOTHER decade and a half trying to “fix” the system instead of trying to compete.

What should the Royals do, should all of baseball begin valuing prospects equally? Well, they need to learn a lesson from moneyball, and find THEIR OWN market inefficiencies before the rest of the pack does.

I’m not holding my breath.

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by loyal2sdad on Aug 17, 2010 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, but at some point

haven’t pretty much ALL the “market inefficiencies” been discovered and exploited? I think that’s part of the point of Will’s article. The big markets have jumped on board the moneyball train, and are trying to emulate it as well as continuing to spend big money on FA’s (as only they are able to do).

The fundamental problem is that many big market teams (with obvious exclusions like the Mets) have suddenly become smarter about trading prospects, and not even necessarily throwing millions at each and every FA. They’re making better trades, spending overslot on the draft, evaluating and valuing prospects better, and only going after select, impact FA’s. If more and more big market teams keep being smart, and not spending money just to spend it, then something is going to have to be done with revenue sharing before small market teams become completely marginalized.

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by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 17, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, the market is always shifting...

but yea, that’s pretty much what happened. you can’t underestimate how hugely important it’s been that both the yankees and red sox have become really smart orgs with good farm systems

add in moments of competence from the LA teams, and you’ve got trouble

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long have we been warned

that when the teams with money ALSO have brains, the small market teams will suffer even worse? It was only a matter of time, and every time the Yankees or Sox don’t win the Series, it only gets worse and further swept under the rug.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

the yankees are always going to be the yankees

but imagine if the Cubs really got it together?

then we’d have NYY, Bos, and the Cubs all as perennially really good teams.

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dodger also.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 17, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doomsday scenario

1. Minaya is fired and the Mets get new owners who still spend but aren’t meddlesome and weird.
2. The Dodgers get bought by a Mark Cuban type. Money & innovative.
3. Artie Moreno gets inspired to maintain his race for SoCal.
4. The ticking time bomb that is a Cubs dynasty emerges (actually, the Cubs had a helluva decade, they just bombed in the post-season.)
5. The Rangers re-emerge as a big spending team.

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But there's no competitive problem- at least 5 different teams would win per decade!

It would just always be the Yankees, Mets, Angels, Dodgers, and Cubs rotating every couple of years.

I just don’t see Texas being able to play on the same level as those big boys. They’d win every once in a while along with occasional uprisings from Philly, Atlanta, Washington, and the like.

And baseball outside of those markets would continue to shrink and the powers that be would wonder why as half the country doesn’t have a shot every Opening Day

by sterlingice on Aug 17, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rangers And

Astros are in the 8th and 9th largest markets in the US.
8) Dallas-Fort Worth, TX – 6,359,758
9) Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX – 5,641,077

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Aug 17, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

source?

I’d like to see that chart overall, for other reasons…

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by The Ol' Perfesser on Aug 17, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teh Googles, Of

Course.
http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/csa2005.htm

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by philofthenorth on Aug 17, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

OT: interesting

to note that of the top 30 of those CSAs on the chart, the top 21 all have MLB teams (multiples in some cases), and so far only Milwaukee seems to be situated outside that top 30. (Toronto of course is not included, but would rank high in population, and it’s not clear whether Anaheim is included in the LA area CSA but I’m guessing it is.) The KCMO-Overland Park-KCK CSA, for what it’s worth, ranks 27th (behind such non-MLB areas as Sacramento, Charlotte, Portland, and Orlando).

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by The Ol' Perfesser on Aug 17, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is possible, you know,

that a collective approach to focusing on the draft will leave the door open for a couple mid-majors to swing back to the FA route. Perhaps we’re seeing a cycle, not an endgame?

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Twins capitalized on the undervalued mid-level free agent market this offseason

Twins spent about $7.5 million on Hudson ($5m) and Thome ($1.5m + up to ~$1m in incentives), who have provided 5.1 WAR between them. That is about $1.5 million per win when the free market rate for wins is about $4 million. Both were one year deals, so there was no long term commitment.

Twins also kept Pavano at $7 million by offering him arbitration, and Pavano has provided 3.0 WAR. That is about $2.3 million per win, again well below the going rate. And again, it was a one-year deal with no long term commitment.

by Gopherballs on Aug 17, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

and didn't the Royals do the same with Podsednik?

and to some extent Ankiel?
The Blue Jays added John Buck plus a couple others (iirc) on the cheap.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pods and Ankiel were more low-level free agents

The Royals collectively paid $5 million (~$3.3 million pro rated) for 1.0 WAR.

by Gopherballs on Aug 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, yes, hence the "mid-level"

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this might happen as well

the price has certainly dropped, but by the royals catch up to it, it might not be the same

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's why they have to get in front of it

Although Meche is now a lost cause, the Royals got two years and a couple of months of good pitching out of him because they grossly outbid the market. I thought that was going to be the start of a trend: identify the top free agent you can possibly afford in any given year and then really outbid the market to get him. But because Guillen “backfired” the team moved away from this philosophy.

Now that the market is correcting downward and everybody’s spending on the draft, the Royals should consider going back there. They should identify 2-3 good FAs (not low level, not the best, but good), and offer them $2-3M more a year and an extra year to get them—that’s expensive for the value, but still cheaper than it was even three years ago. This strategy worked for Meche and I’m convinced this would have worked for O. Hudson a couple of years ago—he wouldn’t sign for 1/5M, but he might have signed 2/11M. You make $$ room by using more 1-4 year guys and less 5-6 year guys (e.g. Sean O’Sullivan instead of Kyle Davies) and turning guys like Callaspo before they start making too much in arbitration. It’s a bit more expensive and more of a gamble on health and continued production, but, if you pick the right FAs (I know this is the weak spot in my argument), some will be productive as Royals and still may yield supplemental picks when they leave.

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by CentralChamps20?? on Aug 17, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think $1M per year with an extra year is

a “grossly outbid.”

That’s what the big boys do when they want a player.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think back to Adam Dunn last year and how he couldn't get a contract

That to me was a perfect example of what you’re talking about. If only the Royals would have jumped in and gave him a 4or 5 year contract.

Sigh…..

by KCROYALS64 on Aug 17, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would we want a no-trading MLB?

I’m imagining it and not completely hating it.

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh hell yes.

She thinks she missed the train to Mars; she's out back counting stars.

by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 17, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You'd see weak GMs like Minaya approach future draft picks

As Monopoly money during trading deadlines yearly.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 17, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll see

teams could also hire them in bulk — I recently the Blue Jays have the largest scouting staff in the majors, although I"m not sure how many of them have every worked for the Braves.

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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 17, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

team scouting ....

there’s just so much we don’t know

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

An anonymous scout for the Reds says...

“we like it that way”

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by Royal Kingdom on Aug 17, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox and other big market teams are playing the system well with collecting picks

They can sign FA i.e. Billy Wagner and then cut them loose at the end of the contract, cut them loose, collect the supplemental picks

And still sign FAs in the market.

Trading in baseball is one of the best parts of the game. A hard salary cap (which will never happen) would make it like the NBA. Baseball is its own animal in this case. The Type A/B compensation picks needs to be addressed. It doesn’t help.

Only way KC is going to compete is to pick good talent from variety of sources, develop their own players, find some talent in trades especially with blocked players and a FA occasionally. Until they can do it consistently, KC will continue in their consistent bottom 10 level.

by daveyork on Aug 17, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

forced slotting

if MLB redesigns the draft to force a draft slotting system, limiting over-slot signings, which I think all the owners would love. In that scenario, scouts become nearly irrelevant. If a player has a slotted bonus with no(little) negotiation ability there is no reason to have a legion of scouts forming relationships with players & families, trying to sway the player’s opinion to sign with the team. Every MLB team will be on near-even footing draft day.

Scouting departments would be halved. No way MLB supports a system where scouts become American Buscone’s.

Also I see MLB doing some kind of sealed bidding on Int’l free agents if they don’t put them in the June draft. I’m talking about the 16-18 year olds.

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by David Howards Legacy on Aug 17, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great, great point

was going to make this same/similar point when I read this article. As a Ranger fan, this is something I’ve been most excited about with what JD has done in our FO. AJ Preller is probably the very best latin american scout going, he’s been in charge of getting us Feliz via trade, Martin Perez, Elvis Andrus, and many other lower minor leaguers who have alot of potential (Wilmer Font, Jurickson Profar, Luis Sardinas and so on) also stol Alexi Ogando because of him. This is in its own way a market inefficiancy(sp), I cant imagine many scouting directors are paid more than a few 100 grand.

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by blalock84 on Aug 22, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really like the 5 points of what the Royals need to do

It would be interesting to address each of these individually and in more detail — in the sense of what are the Royals doing now, what should they be doing, and tracking the FO behavior down the road.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

my sense, and I may be wrong

is that the royals, just from top to bottom, are a very conservative organization…

if they stay that way, they will probably top out as the Brewers of the last 5 years

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is an untapped market for players that the Royals needs to exploit.

I hear there are a couple of 16 year olds that show good plate discipline on Mars!

More seriously, maybe it would benefit a team like the Royals to start/continue to explore non-traditional player locations. I know they have signed a kid from South Africa. A couple of years ago the Netherlands fielded a decent team for the World Baseball Classic. Maybe they should do a baseball academy type thing in Amsterdam?

by Chyladin on Aug 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Honkbal!

http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB123690268930413645.html

Even without injured Alex Rodriguez, of recent steroid fame, the Dominican Republic fielded Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz and 21 other major leaguers, among them four All-Stars. The Dominican team’s combined MLB payroll is $83.4 million. The Dutch have a single pro in the show who earns $400,000. Their players are like backup catcher Sidney de Jong, who works in business and moonlights in the Dutch league. In the bottom of the 11th, De Jong pinch hit against Cubs All-Star Carlos Marmol, blasted a breakthrough double and scored the tying run
.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 17, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Nationals spent heavily this draft

record money to a 4th round pick

they used to be one of the cheapest orgs

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

So you think

the Royals need to move to a larger market?

by kgustaf on Aug 17, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait until bad teams are punished in the draft

just like the NFL!

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by Justin Bopp on Aug 17, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

the NFL is fine

save for the first 5 or so picks… who make as much as the rest of the draft combined

2nd and 3rd round picks are great value for teams, who usually get starters for pretty low salaries

but yea, you have to get out of being in the top 5 year after year

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, that's going to change next offseason

Slotted salaries in the NFL are pretty much a done deal next CBA, too. Current players have no problems selling out the future players :)

by sterlingice on Aug 17, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NFL draft is how the MLB draft is right now

top-heavy draft signings that lead to boom/bust outcomes

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 17, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

i brought up this exact same shit a year ago before it all exploded this year. and said it a billion times since then: once big market clubs spend on the ML payroll AND the draft, the rest of baseball is fucked.

which is why in two years there will be a hard slotting system.

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by doublestix on Aug 17, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Followed by worldwide draft

wonder what the next loophole after that will be

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by Top Ramen on Aug 17, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

the legality of drafts is pretty specious

I think there’s a good chance that in 25 years there might not be a draft at all

by Freneau on Aug 17, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Advent Of

The draft is what began the rise of the A’s franchise. Rick Monday was the first draft pick in MLB, and the A’s picked him in 1965. Gene Tenace was taken in the 20th round in 1965. Sal Bando was their 6th round pick that year. Reggie Jackson was their 1st round pick (2nd overall) in 1966. Vida Blue was their 2nd round pick in 1967. That’s a pretty significant portion of the 101 win 1971 team that lost to Baltimore in the ALCS.

Monday was flipped to the Cubs for Ken Holtzman after the 1971 season, a move that’s hard to criticize. Oh, and the scouts had a mad run in 1964, the last year before the MLB draft began, signing Catfish Hunter, Blue Moon Odom, Rollie Fingers and Joe Rudi as amateur free agents that year.

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by philofthenorth on Aug 17, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

dang, I wonder where those amatuer scouts are now

they need to get signed up now

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by blalock84 on Aug 22, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees and Red Sox have spent big on the draft for at least the last half decade

Tigers have done it for a long time too. Among other big market teams, the Dodgers, Mets, and Phillies spent first round money on players selected in later rounds last year. Among small market teams, the Rays, Pirates, and A’s have aggressively gone overslot for later round picks since the 2008 draft. To a lesser degree, the Orioles, Indians, and Jays have done this at times over the last couple of years.

by Gopherballs on Aug 17, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope these adjustments are cyclical

I would suppose to some extent they are, and there will never really be an end-game scenario.

I can’t imagine it ever staying static for very long, but you need innovation to figure out (and be ahead of) the next wave of organizational construction that leads to glory.

This may be a tough order for the Royals.

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 17, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

It all comes down to real value vs percieved value

I believe you’ll always have GMs who believe they can win now and are willing to trade the future to do so.

I absolutely believe a LOT of GMs have figured out that the value of paying a Jose Guillen-type $7.5M a year for OF/DH vs a AAAA/prospect type/rule 5 guy taking those ABs at a MLB minimum is a no-brainer.

Player development is really where the big-market teams are going to take over. I’ve never understood why teams didn’t treat/train their minor-league players better. As big market teams start treating their minor league players like the major investments they are, it will be OVER for the smaller market teams. Why teams don’t put their best guys and resources at the minor league levels where the players need the most help has baffled me. The Yankees/Red Sox can afford to put serious research and technology behind their minor league programs, funds the Royals just don’t have.

by Bart41 on Aug 17, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

The big market teams could have been paying overslot for almost every pick

in the draft and never missed the money. Paying some HS kid from GA an extra $125K to sign with the Yankees is chump change for them. Never figured out why the Mets don’t do it. The Red Sox spend over $10million in the draft this year and got some great talent. If one of the over slot guys makes it big, then it is a good draft. More talent, better chance than some of them will pay off.

by daveyork on Aug 17, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

GREAT ARTICLE

very interesting and compelling points…I would point out a couple of possible counterpoints:

how much of this is cyclical, with the economy in the dumps and multiple teams having financial difficulties? the padres, rangers, and dodgers have all had money problems recently, and the general economy has made things difficult for all the teams to some extent (save the yankees).

the draft is still a big crapshoot…in order to really produce players under the current system, you’ve got to pretty much go bonkers with signing large quantities of players, reasoning that the law of averages will produce enough cost-controlled players to field a competitive team…at that point you’ve still got to fill in with smart trades and/or FA signings to get over the top.

the correlation of payroll to wins is still very strong…even teams who haven’t signed a ton of FA have at least spent big to keep their own players, like Philly with Ryan Howard just to throw out one example, or Jeter/Posada/Rivera/Petitte with the Yankees.

owners’ egos will continue to push them to get that “one last player” to put them over the top, possibly wildly overpaying to do so, so the market for top-tier FA will never go away IMO.

however, if most teams are relying on their prospects, that could have two opposing effects: first, there are only going to be so many good prospects, so some teams are going to “miss”, thereby having to fill in more from FA and supporting that market…on the opposite end, you could have mid-level FA becoming marginalized and much cheaper relatively, which could make it cost effective to sign these guys.

i like the thought of loading up on prospects, then using them to acquire young-ish players that have started to establish themselves…the nature of prospects means that if you’re smart, you can get rid of the right guys and bring in cost-controlled talent, then either flip them when they get too expensive, or let them walk as FA and pick up the comp picks, lather, rinse, repeat.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 17, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post and analysis!

I would also add to the points you made up top that in that same time frame, teams not only stopped trading top prospects but they also started signing their top players to cover their young productive years, resulting in more free agents who are in their 30’s when they first reach the market and much less who are in their 20’s. Teams now hang onto their young stars for the long-term, for the most part, which makes the draft and international free agency the best and only ways to procure the best young prospects.

I would also add that while right now it might behoove teams to mimic the Red Sox, Tigers, and Yankees, we still don’t know what the success rate of these moves are. $3.5M for Castellanos? That’s great if he’s really that good, but none of the draft rankings had him as a Top 5 talent pick, which is the money he got. BA had him 14th overall talent, this is what they wrote when they signed him, “The Tigers won’t have to pay as much for Castellanos as some past picks who have fallen to Detroit such as Jacob Turner or Rick Porcello.” Perfect Game had him 19th. The slot range for that is $1.4-1.6M.

Just because players think that they are that type of value does not mean that teams should just go out and draft these signability guys and pay them what they are demanding. That becomes a bad vicious cycle of throwing good money after bad. Their scouts need to agree that these players are as good as their agents think they are. For example, Porcello fell because he was asking for huge money, and the Tigers took him for less but still very high money. Most people then loved that move, but Porcello has been underwhelming so far in the majors. Still cheap, I suppose, but not really what a team needs. Nevertheless, still too soon to come to a final analysis, but so far, not so good.

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