Two questions: Jared Camp fiasco and Rule 5 query.

Okay, let me see if I have this straight. He was drafted by the Brewers and spent 3 years in their organization. Then, the Twins picked him in the 1999 Rule 5 draft first overall. The Twins traded him to the Marlins for Johan Santana (who was picked second in the Rule 5 draft) with the Marlins sending $50,000 to the Twins [In essence, the Marlins paid the Twins for the honor of taking Johan Santana off their hands].

Now, here is my first question. Somehow, this Jared Camp was on the Marlins, but never actually played in their minor league system. In fact, the year he was picked...he played in the Cleveland org. Does anyone know how this happened?

Second question: based on this from wikipedia.
"To prevent excessive turnover in the minor league levels, each draftee costs $50,000. If the draftee does not stay on the selecting team's 25-man (major league) roster all season, the player must be offered back to his original team at half-price. Organizations may also draft players from AA or lower to play for their AAA affiliates (for $12,000) and may draft players from A teams or lower to play for their AA affiliates (for $4,000)."

As some of you might know, Santana was a Rule 5 pick and as such was forced to be on the Twins MLB Roster for the entire first season even though he was pretty bad. However, he was only on the A-ball team for the Astros when picked...so why did he have to be on the MLB Roster? According to that above rule, they could have just put him in the minors. Any insights?

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I might have answered the second part for myself...I don't know

There are different phases (a MLB, a AAA, a AA) of the Rule 5 draft and the Marlins (for the Twins) probably just took Santana in the MLB phase, because he probably wouldn’t have made it to the AAA phase.

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by dejackso on Aug 19, 2010 11:21 PM EDT reply actions

that's right on question 2

for question 1, maybe the Marlins released him and he was picked up by Cleveland? Or they traded him to Cleveland?

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 20, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Another question.

Why did Adam Laroche allow himself to be drafted twice by the Marlins (in 1998 and 1999)? According the the rules, a team cannot draft the same player in subsequent years unless that player allows it. If he knew that he wasn’t going to sign with the Marlins, why bother?

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by dejackso on Aug 19, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions

Maybe he was hoping they'd give him a better offer round two?

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by 306008 on Aug 20, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions

I think

and I could be wrong on the first point, someone correct me if I am

that drafted and then cut Rule V picks go onto waivers. Any team can claim the player, but they assume the roster implications — i.e. the player must stay on the 25-man roster, or be put on waivers. Only after the player has gone through waivers without being claimed does the team offer them back to the original team for the 25k. So when Allard waived Rich Thompson (Beta version Joey Gathright), any team could have picked him up and assumed his Rule V status.

Same deal with traded Rule V picks — you can trade them, but the Rule V status still applies.

Although for Jared Camp, he was already in the Cleveland org. before he was picked by the Twins and subsequently traded to the Marlins.

For the second question, there are three different phases of the draft, Majors, AAA, and AA. Santana was drafted in the major league portion of the minor league draft, so he had all of the usual restrictions on him.

In order for the Twins to get Santana and place him in AA for the year, he would have had to pass through the Majors portion of the draft and the AAA portion of the draft. Ideally, that’s what they would’ve done, but it’s doubtful that he would have slipped through both phases of the draft.

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by Top Ramen on Aug 20, 2010 9:04 AM EDT reply actions

I just thought it was weird...

that he never played for either
1) the team that drafted him
2) the team that traded for him

You’d think that if you draft someone; they would at least play one game (assuming he signed which it looks like he did).

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by dejackso on Aug 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Test

MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?

by Royals Medic on Aug 22, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions