Royal Attendance Hits Season Low Thursday Night
The official attendance for Thursday night's Royals-Indians game was just 9,732. A new official low for the 2010 season. The previous low, for a home game, according to the figures listed at Baseball-Reference, was 10,574 (the second home date of the season).The lowest total, for any Royals game, this year, is a 9,299 figure for the May 17 Royals-Orioles game in Baltimore.
9,732 is a really low total for a Major League baseball game, even for a matchup of two bad teams, in August. The Royals had only one home gate under 10,000 in 2009. In 2008 the Royals had no gates that low, and in 2007, it happened just once. In 2006, however, the Royals played seven games before crowds under 10,000. The lowest figure I can find for a Royal home game is a mid 7,000s night back in 1995. (If anyone wants to play around on B-R for awhile and find the smallest Royals crowds ever, I'd love you.)
Although 9,732 is a really low number and will probably be the lowest of the year (though Thursday night is generally a decent going-out night, so maybe not) on it's own we shouldn't be concerned. Generally, the Royals draw decently for a terrible team, and attendance at the K has been pretty consistent over the last decade. The Royals haven't gotten to the point where attendance is really a problem (now granted, it's not an asset either, especially given how low the prices are) which can't be said everywhere.The Royals have probably hit their attendance floor over the last five years, and it's apparently a little higher than in other markets.
At this point, the K is unique in that it's a ballpark that remains subservient in design to the car, which, along with the Royals endless efforts in this department, had made it attractive to suburban families.The metro area may lack a ballpark+bar & restaurant scene in one place, but I think the location and setup of the K continues to benefit the Royals. (Says the guy who lives 2,000 miles away.) A new stadium would have brought in big crowds for exactly one year, but as we've seen recently, it just isn't that big a novelty anymore. When the stadium wave started in the early 1990s, everyone's expectations were completely different.
For 2010, however, I think we can see that just about everyone is getting worn out on the Royals. Summer no longer feels interesting or novel. Instead, everyone's merely hot and ready for fall. We've had enough. Time for school and time for football.
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then again, maybe my standards are too low
the royals have been consistently 13th or 14th in the AL in attendance over the recent years…
then again, they have not been good (2003, maybe) in the entire past decade either
has any other team been as consistently not good? (rhetorical question, I guess)
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Aug 20, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
not in the AL, no
The Indians now draw worse than the Royals, and they’ve had a much better decade
then again, maybe winning spoils fans to a certain extent
nobody goes to the K expecting good baseball at this point
it was under 10K on a night with no TV
so I could see it being between 9000 and 9500 if the game was on TV. Then again, it’s not like this team does a great job telling people when games aren’t televised in the promos and the FSNKC games aired schedule is always frontloaded
And 9700 is the official number, in reality, it might be closer to 7000, not accounting for the people who just stay in the porch, rivals, or the outfield experience
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Season tickets are included in the attendance I believe
even if they don’t show
Well, I'm sure I was counted for 2 last night and never left my house.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Can I get some of those tickets next time you decide not to go?
We must support our Royals in person!
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Shoot me an email w/ your address and I can get you a few tickets for weeknight games for the remainder of the season. Seats aren’t great but as highlighted by the 9,000 announced last night, it’s pretty easy to upgrade.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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Hopefully I didn't miss any games.
Smallest Royals game I could find was 672. September 21, 1970 at the White Sox. Although, It was a double header so I’m not sure if it’s completely accurate.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197009212.shtml
Smallest non-double header I could find was 1,100 at the Twins.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN197009280.shtml
Smallest home game I could find was against the Brewers at 2,527. However, it was in 1985 so I don’t know if it’s accurate. Surely the crowds weren’t that small in September of ’85.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA198509050.shtml
Next smallest home game was in 1971 against the Angels. 5,370.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/KCA/KCA197109150.shtml
On the other side of things the biggest I could find was 73,303 against the Indians in 1986.
Hopefully I’m not the only one who can’t picture 73,000+ watching the Royals.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE198607040.shtml
by MJR on Aug 20, 2010 3:22 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It wouldn't surprise me
attendance at sporting events, across the board, is much much greater these days
The average attendance
at home that year was 26,700. That game and the September 19 game, two weeks later, are the only ones all season with attendance figures below 10,000. Below 14,740, in fact, if I didn’t miss something lower in my quick scan of this page.
So I’m not buying it, not without an explanation for some sort of special circumstances.
For example
looks like they had to make up a rainout of a game against Detroit originally scheduled for April, and the only date they could squeeze it in was Monday, August 19 — in the middle of a roadtrip! — just 17 days before the date in question.
And for that one they drew 20,929.
So there’s more to the story. Don’t know what it is…yet.
And to correct that
it was a make-up of a game rained out earlier in August, not in April. Turns out that there was no rainout in MLB until May 20 of 1985, which was (and maybe still is) a record.
I am wondering if the the weather was bad and the game time was moved.
The game doesn’t have the temp and I haven’t found a website to get the data from. Too many BS sites.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 20, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Weather was all good
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like a rescheduled game
A 5 game set in 4 days.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 20, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, looks like that to me too
of a game originally scheduled for June 3. Danny Jackson probably took his regular turn that day but the game was rained out before it became official.
But as above they drew over 20,000 for their previous make-up game (Aug. 19), which thanks to the difficulty of rescheduling was played as part of a 1-day homestand. So I doubt the rescheduling explains the attendance figure; we’re stuck where we are with this until somebody visits the public library and digs up the Star’s contemporaneous account.
Could have the original game been near a sellout
and there was extra tickets available for this game.
Just weird.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 20, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The facebook fans are just upset that the team traded away the heart and soul of the team
If they can’t go out to the ballpark to see Rick Ankiel flail away at strike three, or Kyle Farnsworth wear his best Kenny Powers disguise, or Jose Guillen “play” right field, brother, they’re just not going to go to the games.
Unless I'm wrong...
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by Top Ramen on Aug 20, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Lol... that's good stuff.
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really, without Scotty Pods patrolling left field, what is there to watch?
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CF on his way to a fly ball down the LF line was more like it.
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by philofthenorth on Aug 20, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Will, do you know how they are doing attendance-wise compared to recent past
at this time in the season? My impression is that it should be a bit up, but that is based on talking with an anonymous scout…
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there was a little bump last year because of the K renovations
the average this year is 20,666 (25th in MLB)
it was in 22,000s last year
ESPN has a good page for this
http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2009
the info’s also on B-R, but harder to find
I'm only partially ashamed to admit
I haven’t been to a single game this year—the first time in years. Sure, I’ve been busy with various projects (ahem v v ), but staring down the barrel of another 95 losses and perhaps one or two players that might be on the 2013 World Series Team, I can’t find a whole lot of motivation to go.
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The novelty of the "new K" has worn off.
The Royals are just as bad or worse than ever. Brutally hot for several home games lately. I think the attendance will continue to drop in the next few years if the Royals continue to show absolutely no life. I’m really tired of caring about this team, to be honest. I go to 5-10 games a year, but lately I feel like a rube for doing so.
That being said, if these young guys can come on in the next two years and get something going, the K will fill up in a hurry. KC is desperate for some decent baseball.
Let me also go on record for saying
It was a mistake not to build a downtown stadium. We never got a real choice in the matter, but we won’t have another chance for 15 or 20 years.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I fully agree
Especially for a baseball stadium, which has 81 nights a year of activity. Having the football stadium out in the boonies isn’t so bad, but keeping our baseball stadium away from downtown, at the very time we were spending millions and millions in development there, was insane.
True fans don't care for rebuilding obviously
they want “baseball players” on the field like Pods, Guillen and The Spork
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I know you are joking...
but honestly, unless you have a great seat, going to the game in person is just a totally different experience
there’s the Dude/Bros crowd, the people on dates, the people with kids, etc
I think
most fans understand this, actually, they’re just tired of hearing it. It’s hard to get all excited about rebuilding when the organization seems to be permanently in that state.
20 years is a short time
when you compare that to the 20 years of winning we are about to experience.
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by philofthenorth on Aug 20, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
somewhat off-topic, but
In the KCStar write-up of last night’s loss, I saw this sentence which stunned me:
It was crushing turnaround that snatched a victory from Davies and prevented the Royals from stretching their winning streak to a season-high four games.
Wow. That is pathetic. Not managed to win more than 3 games in a row all year. I only casually follow the team, and have no limit to my disdain for Dayton Moore and his band of misfits like Yuni, but I had a vague recollection that we enjoyed a pretty decent stretch there after Yost was hired (one or two great weeks from contention!) and figured we surely would have won at least 4 in a row in there.
The Royals really are just a terrible, terrible baseball team. It’s no wonder people don’t go see them.
I hardly think that's off topic.
It’s almost like they’re completely related, actually.
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by Justin Bopp on Aug 20, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I was similarly depressed when Yost mentioned on the pregame show that his charges hadn’t swept a 3-game series all season.
by chiefstatnut on Aug 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand the sentiment he's expressing, but they did sweep Seattle last month.
"It’s not about the guacamole itself," Greinke said. "I just don’t want to let them win."
by Joseph Landis on Aug 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. I may not be representing the entirety of the conversation accurately. I think Bob may have set up Ned’s comment by saying something like, “We hope to see something that hasn’t happened at home all season.”
by chiefstatnut on Aug 20, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's more on the winning "streaks"
Not only have they not won 4 in a row, the 6 times they have had a 3 game winning streak, they ended up losing the next game via shutout an incredible FOUR times!
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
by loyal2sdad on Aug 20, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One thing to investigate when comparing attendance over the last 40 years
Did the AL always count attendance the same? I know they have been using “tickets sold” for the recent past – but was it that way in the early part of the franchise’s existence? I believe at one point in the past, the AL was reporting “tickets sold”, while the NL was reporting “turnstile”.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
An unscientific observation from the peanut vendor
This is completely subjective, but I think I could sense that the fans had reached a tipping point this year regarding their willingness to tolerate the losing.
Nothing I can quantify – just the general vibe from the crowd that was somehow different from the past seasons (decades?) of losing.
Hell, even the Tue and Wed games, with perfectly OK weather, only drew about 13k each, and this was with a T-Shirt Tuesday and a Buck Night on Wednesday. Sure, the economy can explain some of this – but certainly not all. No longer than just a couple of years ago, a T-Shirt Tuesday was generally good for 20,000 minimum, regardless of the opponent or the month, etc.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
Well, whatever the attendance this past Tuesday
there would have been one more if Dayton hadn’t rigged the vote for that stupid big “R” t-shirt instead of the “C’Mon Chen”. Are they going to actually make that design available? Or will it forever be lost to history/Dayton?
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The big "R"
probably cost 10 cents less per T-Shirt to design; normally I dismiss Oliver Stone-esque conspiracy theories – but since David Glass owns this team, your theory is actually entirely plausable!
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
I think the self-deprecating/"Critical Spirit" essence of the Chen shirt
also had a lot to do with it.
"Never get less than 12 hours sleep. Never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as as city. And never go near a lady who's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick with that, and everything else is cream cheese." -Coach Bobby Finstock
by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 20, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I concur with this unscientific observation
Seems like the vibe has turned to just total apathy/disgust. I can only speak personally, but pretty much every game I went to this year I found myself wondering what else I could have spent the money on. Doesn’t help that virtually none of the Royals players even seem to show any sort of emotion on the field. Aside from the mike catching Billy post-pop up in an “awwww, f**K” occasionally, no one seems really care that much. What do I know, though. Maybe they’re all raging internally.
I agree. Probably would have happened last year but the new shiny toys distracted everyone.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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They've over done the T shirt Tuesday deal
And they didn’t use teh CHEN shirt! lol
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And so many of the t-shirts are shit anyway.
Just pick a couple decent guys and give me a shersey. Could they do a Myers for Wilmington or Hosmer for NWA? I’d take that over about any shirt they’ve had this year.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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The metro area may lack a ballpark+bar & restaurant scene in one place, but I think the location and setup of the K continues to benefit the Royals.
The major benefit being that Glass gets to collect his $10 per car for 2,000-3,000 (guesstimates) cars every night. Plus build in the parking costs into season ticket sales. With a downtown stadium, they would lose a huge chunk of the parking revenue from people just parking in city/non-Royals-owned garages, walking over from their offices, etc. Plus, the potenial concession/beer losses that would have naturally followed from having plenty of non-Royals owned drinking establishments so close to the stadium.
I’m firmly convinced that those issues were the deciding factors in Glass being so eager to kill any notion of a downtown stadium.
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That's an interesting take, Sweep
I can remember Glass touting a survey he supposedly took of the fans that purported to show they were in favor of the renovations over the alternative of a new ballpark downtown.
Makes you wonder – was that rigged? I don’t recall any journalists asking about the survey one way or the other; rather, it was printed with blind acceptance.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
I really don't think so....
The Royals could sweep in and buy a bunch of the local bars and still allow their operators to run them. Even if they didn’t, wouldn’t being down town boost attendance enough that it covered those potential loses? I would think that a parking garage would be built by the Royals as well….
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How many games can the Royals go with less than 10K fans?
I guess the more appropriate question is… how many fans have to be in the seats to make a profit on the game?
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The parking is too steep for my tastes.
They lost one potential ticket last night because I simply can’t do $10 by myself, considering that it’s also a 35 minute drive for me.
I think the main factor was that there were absolutely no promotions, though.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 20, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
You should check out
the Oakland Coliseum on a Monday night game. It makes the Royal’s attendance seem robust in comparison.
Feeling grumpy today
So I logged in to say something negative.
Alex Gordon blows.
I feel better already.
by jackie ballgame on Aug 20, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
Apostasy!
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by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 20, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Refurbishing Kauffman Stadium
is a microcosm of the state of kansas city in general. always the wrong decision. there could be 81 days a year that people would be spending money downtown.
I go to about 15 to 20 games a year, and i see no difference this year from two and three years ago. I am there to spend a summer evening watching baseball.
the total for dallas braden’s perfect game in oakland was like 7000 or something.
over the line smokey
As for actual attendance
it could be tonight’s second game of the double header – which will probably start at 9:45 at the earliest.














