Scouting Danny Duffy
LHP Danny Duffy made his first start at Double-A for the season after his brief absence from the game. I was very excited to find out Duffy was starting this game and was sure to take excellent notes.
It was a very hot night. I mowed around 10 AM that day and was drenched in about 30 seconds. Most of you who were outside realize we are in the midst of the Missouri summer which is always very humid. The heat index is supposed to be around 115 today here in SW Missouri and last night it was in the low 90s the whole game. So the heat definitely affected Duffy in his first start at this level.
Duffy struggled just a little with his fastball command which in turn affected everything else. Danny has good armside run to his fastball and it will really play up when he gets back into 100% form. The radar gun had his fastball from 90-93, but you can add 1-2 because Hammons gun is a little slow. His top speed was 95, the pitch after he gave up back-to-back homers. Both on fastballs that he elevated. You could see him fatiguing at this point of the ball game due to the heat. I didn't have a pitch count, but it was in the 4th.
His curveball was really good. You could see that it has room to improve as well as he wasn't really sharp with it. The pitch broke hard and a lot of hitters just gave up on it. Velocity was around 76-80. Good speeds to compliment his fastball. Once he gets back to 100%, that curve will buckle a lot of hitters.
The change was another good pitch. He did a good job taking velocity off the FB with the change sitting around 80-84. It has some armside run to it and it's really hard to pick up. Again, he struggled a little with command on this pitch but made will make it work.
The best hitter he faced was Cardinals rehabbing 3B David Freese. In the first AB, Duffy walked him on a full count fastball that I thought was a strike. So did Manny Pina as he sat and held the ball for a few seconds. His second AB Duffy K'd Freese on a good series of pitches. And his 3rd AB Freese hit a line drive off the right center field wall for a double. Freese also seemed to pull up rounding third later in the inning with a hamstring. He grabbed the leg and the trainer came out... not good for the Cards.
With his combination and movement on pitches, I would make a very aggressive comparison between Danny Duffy and Barry Zito. Although the curve may not be as good, the fastball is a little stronger. What makes Zito a stud though is his change up and I saw the same type of change from Duffy. Zito is his ceiling, and not sure what the lower level is. But if he gets anything close to Zito, I will be very excited.
What I want you to see from this series of pictures is his basic motion and release. Duffy does a very good job keeping his weight back until he is ready to transfer that stored energy into kinetic energy. You can see Duffy sitting on top of his back leg getting his body in position to drive to the plate. He already has the ball out of his glove which to me means he's had some problems in the past with the timing of his hands. By having the ball already out at this point, he eliminates those issues. Duffy is still sitting on his back leg as his body starts to move forward. His front arm is moving directly to his target which is something I pound on McClure for not doing a good job with at the MLB level. This is what Soria is struggling with and it's killing his control. The final picture in the series you can see that Duffy's chest is almost on top of his knee and his knee is almost to the 90 degree mark. This puts him in perfect position to be on top of that knee at release. You compare this to the picture I posted of O'Sullivan the other day when I talked about releasing out in front and top of that knee, and Duffy is picture perfect. I didn't get a picture of him releasing the ball, but you can imagine from where he is in that last photo and move him forward just a split second and he is in perfect position. (But I can't get the pictures to load, so I'm just going to post them as comments. Someone teach me.)
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by RoyalPug on Aug 3, 2010 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
thanks for the report! I’ll be honest I kind of wrote Danny off after the ST injury and the abscence.
Is the curve a big 12-6 ball like Zito’s? Seems like that would be hard to throw for a strike. I thought a late breaking “spike” curve ball was considered a better pitch? Though everyone seems impressed when Soria or Greinke throws a big slow curveball, so maybe I have it all wrong.
Sounds like he was getting hit on FB left out over the plate, is that accurate?
The spike curve is great with 2 strikes or for an over aggressive hitter.
But, you also have to throw the curve for a strike, which the spike curve is not. So, you take your already solid curve and spike it just behind the plate and now you have two pitches. The spike curve and the curve for a strike. It’s really just one pitch used different ways. Duffy can do both. The movement on the pitch is more of a 1-7 than a 12-6. BUT, it’s still exceptional.
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that is very cool
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 6, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as the fastball
Yeah, he got a lot of the plate. If you compared him to Teaford the day before, Teaford hit corner after corner on both sides of the plate. Duffy has that kind of control, just not that night as he continues to mold himself back into shape.
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It's hard to tell from a series of stills, but to me his delivery resembles Greinke
Which is good.
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He doesn't twist like Grienke
He just gets that front hip “cocked” where he can keep it closed for a long time before it opens to the plate.
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Yeah, I guess there's a lot I can't see in the still pictures
I like where the arms are throughout his delivery and that he tucks the glove in.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome post...
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Big fan of Duffy.
Do you have video on him. I can turn it into a Gif if you like.
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I don't...
The wife and I are going to invest in a video camera… I will send you loads of video once that happens. :)
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Schaum reports Duffy hit 98 mph last night
And sat around 93-94
So that means the gun at Hammons is slower than I thought.
Add 2-4 mph on everything. I wasn’t in a position to see the scouts guns sitting down below. Good to know.
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And I wonder what Pitch f/x would have to say about his velocity
It seems like the velocity of pitching prospects is often touted at X when they are in the minors and by the time they get to the majors, the reality is X-2 or X-3. I think this has more to do with prospect hype than inaccurate radar guns, but both are factors.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 3, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
but stadium guns are always off, right?
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I don't think radar guns can ever be trusted
I’m sure they are usually within 3 mph either way, but that’s about it. But even if you discount the prevailing conventional wisdom on Duffy’s velocity by a couple mph, he’s still got above average velocity for a lefty MLB pitcher and he’s only 21. That’s good stuff.
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 3, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen.
What comp do you give him NYR?
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I don't know
The short answer is that I don’t know enough about him to give a good answer. The longer answer is that I personally don’t like it when prospect analysts compare prospects to MLB players. It gives the impression that Prospect X is going to be as good as MLB Player Y, even when they’re not trying to say that. So I don’t know. Quite frankly I expect most prospects to fail because most do. But it sure looks like he has the stuff and control to succeed in the majors. If not as a starter, you’d think he could turn a plus fastball and a plus curveball intoa successful career as a lefty setup man (and not necessarily just a LOOGY).
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by Scott McKinney on Aug 3, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Good report
He already has the ball out of his glove which to me means he’s had some problems in the past with the timing of his hands
Will this lead to problems with tipping pitches down the road?
Unless I'm wrong...
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as an area scout. They’ll give that job to just about anybody and he’s been right about player mechanics alot.
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I went to an open tryout once
But nothing came of it. No, I haven’t applied for anything with the Royals. Scouting would be awesome but you spend a LOT of time away from your family. I would much rather have an “advisor” role. :)
And I would still secretly post here!
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Good post! In the minor leagues I'd be more interested in what Royals do to
develop young players into athletes. Weight training, base ball specific conditioning + addition the game playing and pitching fundamentals. The stills (and pics can lie) show a pitcher with a major league frame lacking strength and athleticism. this is the same impression as the videos on Lamb and Melville. Stills show Duffy as a typical Royals minor leaguer, talented and underdeveloped due to orgs. lack of understanding or appreciation for conditioning. this sort of minor league system will never compete with Red Sox or Tampa regardless who comes through, and it’s unsurprising that quite of few of them get hurt.
Man, I'd love to see a full comparison of this information!
But that never seems to be done.
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i could easily go through the Red Sox and Rays system
and find the same amount of injuries. it happens.
if it was that easy, 30 teams would employ the same development strategy.
get over yourself.
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this seems extreme...
Unless you have inside knowledge about the Royals’ minor league strength and conditioning program, it’s pretty hard to make a definitive statement about it by looking at videos of three minor league pitchers.
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
doublestix, if you have something besides your personal uninformed suppositions,
post it. Red Sox and Tampa are well known as conditioning organizations. In 2010 injured Royals pitchers—heart and soul of pitching staff, that I am aware
Meche
Hochovar
Montgomery
Melville
Juan Cruz
R. Tejada.
You may now post known their equivalents in Red Sox and Rays.
Beckett
Matsuzaka
Alex Wilson
Junichi Tazawa
Buchholz
and if your going to mention Juan Cruz, who was never injured, I’ll mention John Lackey who’s fallen off a cliff this year compared to previous seasons.
if this “conditioning” was as simple as you make it sound, 30 teams would employ it.
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nice try double. beckett, matsuzaka, bucholz have all pitched--since last friday.
“if conditioning is simple, all 30 would employ it.”. that’s a pretty simple statement for my neck of the woods. are trying to suggest that baseball teams should avoid appproriate conditioning. or, are you trying to say that in baseball conditioning does not matter. perhaps you have some special insight into Royals conditioning programs. I’d like to know what they are, if they exist.
now you've got me lost
so the injuries only matter, if they’re injured RIGHT NOW? all those pitchers i listed have missed time this year.
“are trying to suggest that baseball teams should avoid appproriate conditioning. or, are you trying to say that in baseball conditioning does not matter.”
i don’t know how you got any of this out of what i just said.
here’s what i know. I know the Red Sox (for one) have a different developmental program that the Royals. it has not proven to be better or worse than anyone elses. if it had proven to be excellent, than like I just fucking said, 30 teams would use the same one. but they don’t. because it’s an inexact science, and trying to say otherwise is extremely naive.
do you understand? i can’t put it much simpler.
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The burden of proof's on you, Coach.
You’re saying that the Royals should use strength and conditioning programs like the Sox and Rays based on videos of three Royals 20-year olds. That’s pretty scant evidence. If you have some sort of knowledge about the programs that the three teams use and why the Sox and Rays are better, then let us hear about it. If you’re just going to criticize the Royals based on some pictures and a couple of run of the mill prospect injuries, then your argument isn’t all that convincing.
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i do have some knowledge of Rays and RSox.
listened to extensive interview of Tampa Bay Pitching Coach.
Night and Day compared to McClure.
Red Sox—plenty out their on their extensive conditioning programs, personal trainers, etc.
:)
McClure really sucks. I wouldn’t doubt that he holds us back.
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think i'd respectfully differ that Red Sox (and Rays) development program has
not proven to be better or worse than anyone else’s. that’s merely my own supposition based on general observation. t little more predictable this year, merely from posted info on Red Sox/Tampa conditioning, coaching, and teaching, that each team would be in the hunt by the end of the year, and that their injured pitchers would be rehabbed. Injuries at any time matter, agreed. and, yes, you could make it simpler. just explain why Duffy et. al. look more like potted plants than conditioned athletes and I’ll understand what it is the Royals are trying to do in the minor leagues.
“look more like potted plants than conditioned athletes and I’ll understand what it is the Royals are trying to do in the minor leagues.”
and unless your spying on these guys in the locker rooms, there is literally no way you know how “conditioned” or “buff” or whatever they are. and honestly, who even cares what they look like? apparently the Royals and Duffy did something right, considering he’s touching 97-98 all of a sudden.
i don’t have a clue beyond what i’ve said for the most part. you are speculating based on, apparently, what these guys look like with baggy jerseys on.
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part of it is that the Royals drafted high school guys
They don’t fill out until 24 or 25. That’s part of it. I’m not sure on conditioning but I will try to find out.
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by 306008 on Aug 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
can somebody help the old coach out here with these airheads?
“literally no way you know how “conditioned” or “buff” or whatever they are."
well—you sort of do assuming you’ve got eye balls. look at today’s SI photo of alex rodriguez compare with photo of Daniel Duffy and post that you’re unable to identify which of the two athletes uses the the weight room, does baseball appropriate workouts under a personal trainer,which is stronger, faster, etc etc. etc.
the doublestix theory is that if conditioning worked, they’d all be doing it. he is correct in one thing—one of these days they will all be “doing it”. Competition will force them that way. more complex though—there are numerous ways of developing athletes. some coaches know how, others not so much. Most Royals coaches fall in the latter category probably.
Look at Alex Gordon, Kila...
These are guys who have spent their entire careers in the Royals system. Alex Gordon is an animal, very athletic, in top shape. Kila’s also in good shape, strong, etc. Mitch Maier is well-built…
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention...
look at Arod as a 20-year old. You’re comparing a 35-year old with an admitted history of PEDs to 20 year old kids with less than 3 years of pro training. It’s a ridiculous comparison
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
There are lots of conditioned 20 year olds. billexgordler.
If all Royals were conditioned as Gordon and Kila, Royals win-loss record would be….?
Number of Royals pitchers regularly engaging in in season weight training:
Gill Meche, and
x
x
x
x
x?
Number of Royals pitchers with enough physical strength to “command” their pitches or last more than twice through opposing lineup?
Doublestix—back in my coaching days I loved coaching against folks with those attitudes. Generally another W marked up against those sorts. Just unable to get it. 75% of ’em never do. Its the teams of the other 25% you have to watch out for.
incidentally, scott pioli on whb recent training camp interview
gives superb rendition of preparation, conditioning, game performance and injury prevention for pro athletes. if I were to ever hear any of the Royals org, top to bottom, speak with that sort of insight a premature cardiac event for me may follow.
You have a good question Coach Feb
The conditioning aspect is a big one. Do the Royals lack in conditioning or preparation? I don’t know. We had an idiot as a head trainer for a while and hopefully the new guy is better but the Royals have never had a strong history there.
You also have to understand that these guys are all drafted out of HS and hadn’t ever had a NCAA or professional weights program. Remember that baseball strong is explosive and endurance. It would be awesome if we could get a comparison on the Royals compared to other programs. But, we don’t know. Danny Duffy was pretty stout. He migh not look like it in the photos, but he was a pretty solid individual. Montgomery was thinner, Lamb is fairly thick, Paukoviits is a beast athletically and physically, Dwyer is thick…
We just have to get their conditioning programs and look them over.
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1. you need to stop putting words in others mouths. no one said a damn thing about not conditioning.
2. YOU DON’T KNOW what kind of programs the Royals pitchers are put through. you’re inferring based on a few videos you’ve seen of 20 year olds that are underdeveloped physically. you realize how silly that is, right?
3. oh, and you compared Alex Rodriguez, one of the greatest athletes of this generation, to a 20 year old pitching prospect. yeah.
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look at next to last vid of Duffy above.
notice how he has to overextend his left arm to the rear to get ooomph on the pitch.
indicates of lack of conditioning and strength.
agree double—-it’s guess work on what they actually do. would like to know though!
what are you talking about?
Thats normal arm cycle. It has nothing to do with conditioning.
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Are you talking about what these guys are exhibiting?






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by 306008 on Aug 5, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And here's Duffy

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I've heard all I need now
I’m ready to rule. In the case of Coach Feb vs Kansas City Royals Minor League Conditioning Program I render a verdict of Not Proven.
Scotch Law!
i will give a rebuttal to this tomorrow, when
i have more time, that will make sense, even to the most feeble minded.
Here it is. Drum roll please...
Can conditioning be evaluated from photos and vids? Less than a live view, but, of course. Pattern recognition.. Duffy shows weak leg-gluteal development and, despite good mechanics, the type of over extension synonymous with physical weakness. Also, the photo lacks anything showing exceptional physical development beyond natural balance and decent size ratios. 306008 described Duffy as "stout" looking in person. I’d have to defer, although the description could be misleading.
The pics of the rest posted by 306008 merely support the point. It proves nothing to compare a pic of Duffy with pic of another hurler that fails to condition—probably e.g. Verlander and maybe Maddox. Instead compare Duffy to a pitcher that does work out—Petitt—and that photo shows zero resemblance. No overreaching in Pettit , glove hand slightly too high or pitching hand way down and stretched back all the way to China. Petitt’s photo within range of physical limits would be what Duffy’s trainers, if he had any, would be striving to develop. Duffy looks light years away from Pettit’s development to me and we might safely guess that a video of Duffy would show the same hitches in delivery and weakness that you see in Dusty Hughes posted during spring training, and to a lesser extent with Melville and Lamb. Unlikely that this is wrong, but could be.
Duffy is just getting back into baseball.
I don’t see the connection that you are making though. I don’t see how Duffy is overreaching. I guess I need the term over reaching defined.
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i might have a different opinion seeing Duffy live, and
would thus defer to your opinion. I think there’s plenty of evidence—which i declined to post—on the Royals lack of appropriate conditioning in the minor leagues, and also some questions as to what, if anything they do in that regard. GMDM fairly recently was on Petro bragging about all the new minor league weight rooms, and i noticed specifically he never bragged on anyone actually using those weight room. As to the overreaching—it’s a way I evaluate conditioning in athletes. Overreaching, over extending, exaggerated motions happen when the player gets tired, or weak. Hard to pick it up from a single view. Howeer, the photos of Duffy show his pitching hand back and his glove hand up about as far as it gets. None of the other photos posted show that. if you look comparitively at other posted vids all of these show young Royals pitchers with under conditioning for where they should be in their careers. Duffy’s been in pro ball three years. I doubt he’s spent 3 days in a weight room from what I’m looking at. But, unknown.
I will follow into your theory.
Next time the NW Ark guys are in Springfield I will ask them about their weights/conditioning programs. ! I’ll post on it then… I think it’s the end of August. If you’re near the Springfield MO area I’d be glad to catch a game with you and we can talk about these guys.
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My question is
What the hell takes so long for our DL guys to come back. Are we using a medical team located somewhere on a remote island or something!!!!
And…..Who would be the Royals most conditioned pitcher for 2010….That would be Mr. Farnsworth who seemed to get hurt just picking up the resin bag.
It's too bad Jeff killed off that TucsonRoyal guy...
…he might have had some actual data about some of this stuff…

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