Royals Waive Jose Guillen, Allow Everyone To Move On With Their Lives
by Freneau on Aug 5, 2010 2:15 PM EDT
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PrintFor the Royals, the dream finally died. For us, the nightmare ends. Bob Dutton reports that the Royals have waived Guillen, bringing up a zillionth reliever to replace him.
The big or medium or small or please God just take him trade never came. Before, or after the non-waiver deadline. The Royals did their absolute damnedest to move Guillen, showcasing him like no other. Guillen appeared in 106 games with the Royals, including 105 starts. Guillen ended his career as a Royal with an 0-21 stretch, a nice middle finger out the door for everyone.
The Royals squeezed out a modicum of value (still probably a net negative given his salary, but whatevs) this season from a semi-revived Guillen. I hope it was worth everyone's time. Here's a quick summary of Guillen's Royal career:
- 2008: Ends up nearly exactly at replacement level. Is one of the most overpaid players in the game.
- 2009: Is hurt, is even worse. Absolutely one of the worst players+contracts in baseball.
- 2010: Posts best offensive & defensive numbers as a Royal, yet is still worth something like only half a win above replacement. The 7th best position player on a terrible team.
The Royals paid Guillen $36 million dollars over the last three seasons, and for that money they received 340 games of .256/.308/.420 hitting. That's a below average OPS, along with non-existent baserunning and mostly bad to terrible defense. Money horribly spent. An expensive non-solution that did nobody save Jose Guillen a peck of good. Guillen can now go into the Hall of Average Players For Awhile That Actually Kinda Sucked A Lot as a Royal, however, as his 340 games in KC is more than he played with his eight other teams. Take that, Pirates!
I hope Guillen has saved some money, because he's got two months of big paychecks left for the rest of his life.
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Let me be the first to say...
YIPPPEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear Alex Gordon:
I still think you will be awesome, but for the love of God, please stop getting hurt.
Sincerely,
RF
As for the multitude of relievers. I'm all for it if they're here to eat up innings and rest our best starters' arms.
At this point I don’t want to see mega innings from ANY of our starters.
It was sure worth Jose's time
"Never get less than 12 hours sleep. Never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as as city. And never go near a lady who's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick with that, and everything else is cream cheese." -Coach Bobby Finstock
WOOOHOOOOO!
That is all.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
If Yuni was next (even over the off-season)
I might be convinced that Moore had a plan all along.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Do you think they snuck out of Oakland
While he was sleeping, and just left an voice mail message on his cell phone?
nah
they just disguised themselves as an incoming pitch and he completely missed them
by P. J. Karasek on Aug 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Picked up his bed
and walked it out of the hotel. Left it on the street where he woke up and ran in his PJs and socks to try to make the team. Oh, wait….
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Aug 5, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes, the old "Willie Mays Hayes Special"
"Never get less than 12 hours sleep. Never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as as city. And never go near a lady who's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick with that, and everything else is cream cheese." -Coach Bobby Finstock
by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Was waiting for this picture.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
what's the bigger joke?
that that’s out of a movie? or that jose can’t run?
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Picked him up in his mattress and put him on the roof of the hotel.
And then everybody got on the plane and took a roofie.
They just placed him + Bed in the outfield in Oakland
once they started leaving…..he didn’t move.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
EFF!!!
I was so excited I messed up the link
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Guillen was DLed for the rest of 2009 after a day game in Oakland last year
day games in Oakland = kryptonite to Guillen
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by AtTheWall on Aug 5, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jose Guillen
All-Time Royals History Ranks:
Home Runs – 26th (45)
RBI – 40th (199)
Doubles – 46th (67)
SLG (min. 100 games) – 41st (.420)
OBA (min. 100 games) – 111th (.308)
OPS+ (min. 100 games) – 68th (94)
Our hearts: 1st
= #1 GREATEST ROYAL OF ALL-TIME
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
How about Win Shares?
Surely he must have eclipsed David Howard by now?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Why....
…do we need 3 CF’s in AAA on the 40-Man roster? I’m assuming the reason they havn’t brought up Ed Lucas is because they don’t have room for him on the 40-man.
I view him as another player (28 years old), who has never had a MLB shot, who should at least be given a turn to get some MLB AB’s.
But wouldn't cutting Guillen add a spot on the 40?
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess
he was signed as a minor league free agent. i think he was like the 3rd overall pick by the mets in ’04, got injured, never amounted to much yet. the numbers are good enough to give him a shot, i think.
R.I.P. cwhitman412, Frederick0220, & Mets2k9
They'll Be Safe
I’m sure.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprisingly the Facebook fans for the most part (with a few exceptions) are behind this move.
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
The usual
Stupid idiotz!! Get rid of our best RBI and HR guy! Jeez! I’m fucking done with this team!!
Is that the case?
ANOTHER PENNY PINCHING MOVE BY DAVID ASS!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Aug 5, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
from Facebook
the fringe comes out
“Okay he is only LEADING OUR TEAM IN RBI’S and HOMERS jeez people”
“this crap makes it hard to like the royals u know heaven forbid we have someone hit 20 homeruns in a season”
“David Glass, needs to fire, Dayton Moore, he has no idea, and send him as a package deal to Baltimore”
“Yeah, I don’t get all the celebration. Why was he so bad again?”
“im sorry but Jose is pretty much all our power. how is this good news to be losing it? am i the only one that likes this guy?”
“I like Jose guillen and also mitch maier SUCKS he’s horrible guillen has such better power numbers and he drives in runs wow”
“At least try to get something out of him he’s got good numbers the royals are so stupid make a trade we should’ve kept ankiel young good fielding and he’s got power”
“you dont cut the guy leading ur team in HR’s or RBI’s just saying they have got nothing out of it this is why the royals are the laughing stock of the league”
“Bad move by the Royals, but what else is new!”
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I wish it were possible to explain to the one person why Jose IS so bad.
Yeah, I don’t get all the celebration. Why was he so bad again?
Even if we told you, you wouldn’t understand.
So is he the guy Trey was refereing to that couldn't be educated?
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh. oops.
There were so many Trey-isms I get them mixed up.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good work.
Is it bad that I want the Royals to just start releasing people to see the reactions on Facebook?
Like if we released Kendall… people would go nuts.
It’s too bad they never put the Ankiel/Farnsworth news on facebook and hid it under Yost’s extension. That would have also been a classic shitstorm.
Yeah, it's humorous.
But also depressing. You never want your fellow fans to be dumbshits. We aren’t in St. Louis.
I never want my fellow
humans to be dumbshits. I can’t read comments hardly anywhere on the internet.
Comments
try reading what columnists have to say…..from sports to politics, the typical Mitch Albom, Maureen Dowd, Charles Krauthammer, or Thomas Friedman is nearly as batshit looney as the stinkly leavings you find in the comments section of hundred of newspaper articles….
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 5, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda like the Kraut
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
When's he gonna share it with us?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the Kraut from National Review Online yesterday
“It’s obvious where the trend is headed, and over time states are legalizing gay marriage as happened the right way — by legislative action — in D.C., in Vermont, and in New Hampshire.”
The Kraut doesn’t have a problem with gay marriage. He has a problem with the courts declaring gay marriage legal without any input from the state’s elected representatives.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
It's A Little
More complicated than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 7, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
These people have to be plants. Or 10 years old.
There is no way that any reasonable person can argue that Guillen was anywhere approaching a good player.
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
These people have to be plants.
Dumb Cane, I think.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I think, more likely,
They may be casual fans who don’t watch games on TV and maybe attended one game this season, and Guillen happened to homer in that one game.
She thinks she missed the train to Mars; she's out back counting stars.
by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 5, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My husband and I got into arguments about Guillen's ceiling.
And my husband is a smart guy – I think he was just baiting me (I hope). My counter argument was who gives a shit how good he could be at his maximum goodness if his maximum goodness happens exactly 1.7 weeks of the year? And you had to put up with his bull crap the rest of the time. At this point, I’d rather have Mitch’s consistency out there and him getting a chance to grow to as good as he’s gonna get (even if his ceiling isn’t as high as Josey’s could be and which is obviously in the past anyway) and see what Kila’s got to offer if given a real chance.
Pretty sure someone deleted my comment about him being Generally Considered An Asshole.
Royals facebookers suck. Last weekend I cracked up when I went into the team store to get a Moustakas t-shirt, because all of the Ankiel shit was like 80% off. No Mitch jerseys or t-shirts either. Fuckers.
Free Brayan Pena!
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 5, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The last time I went to a game I was belligerently looking for a Mendoza jersey
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any chance that we can post some facebook reactions with every major and minor transactions??
I will start:
“Wow!! Why rush it?! He was ripping the cover off the ball!”
“Okay he is only LEADING OUR TEAM IN RBI’S and HOMERS jeez people”
“this crap makes it hard to like the royals u know heaven forbid we have someone hit 20 homeruns in a season”
“David Glass, needs to fire, Dayton Moore, he has no idea, and send him as a package deal to Baltimore”
"Wow!! Why rush it?! He was ripping the cover off the ball!"
This guy hasn’t watched the Royals in a month at least
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
I think that one may have actually been sarcastic
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
Because he uses full sentences and capitalization?
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Aug 5, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Mainly because it wasn't rushed and he is in a slump
I could be wrong, but that plays a part of it too.
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the guy was serious
lol That’s the best part. Dinner for Schmucks anyone? Let’s all invite a facebook fan to a Royals party and make fun of them. lol
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These last few days have been pretty good moves followed by good moves.
This is going to be hard to answer.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
it wouldn't have to trump much to be the "greatest"
for when I'm too lazy to come here, http://twitter.com/AtTheWall
point
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't say "Greatest"
because it was so stupid to give Jose the huge contract to begin with. Last year’s extensions of Greinke and Soria were better moves than finally kicking Jose’s sorry ass off the roster.
But definitely a “Great” move today.
by Black and Gold on Aug 5, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
But seriously
I didn’t hear anyone complaining when he hit 20 HR and 97 RBI!!!
by PopeSoria on Aug 5, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Ask Bret what he thinks about the whole Twilight v True Blood feud.
ESPN needs this for the 3pm Sportscenter.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a feud between Twilight and True Blood?
This one is easy. There is female nudity in True Blood. Winner.
by hawkinscm87 on Aug 5, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
say this funny tweet earlier:
“Favre will be announcing his decision in a month long special on ESPN called ESPN.”
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by AtTheWall on Aug 5, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
True
It is easy, but try telling that to a 13 year old girl, or who I like to refer to as Bret Favre.
(no there really isn’t any feud, just trying to think of the most inane question)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
There is a hierarchy of vampire media it goes as follows;
Blade 1
Interview with a Vampire
True Blood
Blade 2 ….maybe…
CRAP ( I know I’m missing some but…)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Dracula?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Oh yeah yeah
Dracula was good.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm along with that.
But True Blood, I would put higher. It’s also so much different, so it’s tough to compare. Anyway, back to the celebration.
Indeed
Why do I have a feeling something may not go right for the Royals in the next couple days?
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Watched Bram Stoker's Dracula recently...
It does NOT hold up. Yikes. I remember liking that movie when it came out. It’s nearly unwatchable now.
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting, I'll need to re-watch that.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Be prepared to laugh
I bought it for like $3 or something and talked it up to my wife, who’d never seen it. It was pretty embarrassing.
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to the book.
Didn’t really care for the movie.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
DAMN, lost boys was good
I wonder if it’ll hold up to the re-watch.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for the ridiculous outdoor concert
with that really buff and oily dude playing the sax and wearing something that looks like a quarter sweater of chain mail, I think Lost Boys has held up for re-watching.
It probably the scene that most dates the movie,
but I’ll admit, every time I see it, I giggle uncontrollably.
He's Timmy Somethingorother
Played for Tina Turner for a while.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Scott Steiner was in Lost Boys?
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that buff.
This guys was more the size of, say, Buff Bagwell. His biceps’ biceps didn’t have biceps.
That show was the Gil Meche of it's time
first two seasons were surprisingly very good, followed by a more-shocking-than-it-should-have-been decline.
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"its"
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
why - would it be better if it
were a male vampire killer?
The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986
HOLY SHIT!!!
Jose Guillen is officially the anti-christ. Since May 22nd, (or for the last 63 games). Guillen is hitting .246/.304/.362… THATS AN OPS OF .666!!! Dayton Moore did the christian thing and cut him
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
Alou
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
my favorite,
the last one, where, he is, commagasming, all over, the, place.
re: firing DM, a couple of things: first, if David Glass were to fire him, then he would not be able to also include him as a “package deal”. second, who else would be included in this package? are we trading for players, buck showalter, or juan samuel?
BOOM YOSTED!
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Aug 5, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
I've come to the conclusion
that the people who post to the Royals’ facebook page are too busy fucking around on facebook to actually WATCH the games.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
I have two monitors at work.
Really helps when watching RR and handling customers/facebook at the same time.
Free Brayan Pena!
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Aug 5, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know?
Is he likely to be claimed off of waivers? That would be nice.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Aug 5, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
not a chance he's claimed
traded for next to nothing… maybe
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maybe he'll take the assignment in Omaha
LOL
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
I doubt it
By the ROyals have shown a willingness now to eat his whole salary, so someone might chuck an F prospect for first dibs on him once he clears waivers.
So how does his contract work?
He doesn’t have any type of protection does he? So if he walks, we save $6M? Would he really walk out on $6M??? I guess all he’d have to do is report to Omaha and then hit hte DL (the only thing he’d hit!).
Don't Stop Believing!
Guaranteed
Baseball contracts are guaranteed. Unless someone else takes on his salary, the Royals will owe it to him.
No
He gets his money whatever. If he is claimed, the claiming team will pay, if he is released the Royals will pay.
If the Royals assign him to Omaha, he can refuse and leave as a 5 year MLB veteran, but will still get his money.
Exactly.
The Royals are the only team that would claim him in this position and they’re the ones that DFA’d him.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
Kenny Williams is pretty crazy, maybe he'll Rios this whole thing
"This guy here is DEAD!"
"Cross him OFF then!"
Here is where Omar makes his move in...
The Contest.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
But if he clears waivers, isn't he a free agent?
With the Royals on the hook for his salary? (unless we choose to put him back on the roster)
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Aug 5, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Waivers lasts 3 days
DFA for 10. He will probably clear waivers, which means he can be traded. The Royals will have 7 days to do that, or else put him back on the roster or relaease him.
Gotchya.
Worst-case scenario = WIN, anything else is just gravy.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Aug 5, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
If he goes 10 days
with noone claiming him/no trades, he does become a FA.
If I understand it correctly, at that point, if someone DOES sign him (surely for a league minimum deal if it were to happen), we are on the hook for what is left of his contract MINUS whatever the team that signs him is paying him…
So if we still owe him $4,000,000 and the Braves (lets say) sign him for $500,000, we’d only owe $3.5M
BOOM! ROASTED!
The way that works, though
is that the team claiming him usually just pays the league minimum (pro-rated) for the remainder of the season. The player can’t leverage a “better” deal, ‘cause he’s going to get the same amount of money anyway (unless the team claiming him is run by complete blithering idiots willing to pay him more than his remaining salary).
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
It's $400K
Pro-rated at this point, which means the team signing him would pay him around $133K, and we’d eat the rest.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
This is Bizarro GMDM
I likes it.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
can someone make a Jose Guillen Royals music video set to “Hurt” by Johnny Cash?
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I can't believe Trent Reznor covered that song....
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Aug 5, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trent should never play it again IMHO
.
by teabaggingexper on Aug 5, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Otis Redding, When
He first heard the Aretha Franklin recording of “Respect”, reportedly said “Well, that ain’t my song no more”.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Our long semi-regional nightmare is over
"Shot by my own men."
At long last
Willie Bloomquist is no longer being blocked from starting every game!
by Black and Gold on Aug 5, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
@@@DH Is His@@@
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by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
In a backwards way, this makes me kind of OK with Jason Kendall
Now follow me here … I hate Jason Kendall as much as everyone, although still not as much as Brayan.
But with the recent purging of Ankiel/Podsednik/Guillen, we shaved off most of our old ass veterans, leaving Kendall as the only really old fuck left.
So that means our “veteran leadership” consists of Kendall, Dejesus (next year), and a bunch of unimportant parts like Bloomers, C’mon Chen, Meche … And players like Aviles become a veteran presence.
I’m not so opposed to keeping a few old people around to teach the new guys some things as they trickle in. Kendall’s contract still sucks, but we keep that as a constant reminder that if we piss off GMDM, he will make us pay.
I see what you're saying
But I still don’t think Kendall is teaching anything. To me, Pena in his limited time, has played better than Kendall behind the plate. And he seems to call a pretty good game.
Well this is in the assumption
That we can’t do anything about Kendall eating Pena’s time. That can’t be OK, but Yost does not seem inclined to change that.
And when Moustakas comes up from AAA with no batting gloves, we’ll all thank Kendall.
yeah, I can't rationalize it to myself
Kendall still sucks
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I could tolerate Kendall
if the rest of the lineup was Pujols, Cano, Ramirez, Longoria, Crawford, Hamilton, Choo, and Votto.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
Maybe in the abstract...
but I’ll still wince every time he bats.
by billexgordler on Aug 5, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad GMDM finally figured out what to do with a noncontending team.
I shudder to think what he’s going to do when we’re contending.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Aug 5, 2010 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
That's easy.
He’ll re-acquire the Ankiels, Farnsworths and Podses of the world.
by Black and Gold on Aug 5, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They'll be in their 5th Moorean prime at age 42
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MLB Network talking about him becoming a motivated player and he hits when he is motivated.
That might be a reason the Royals demoted him. He may have more trade value as you can spin that now he is motivated.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
So in the last month . . .
GMDM has traded away Pods, Ankeil, Farnsworth, and Guillen; but also he has turned down a trade offer for Jeff Francoeur . . .
. . . . is it too much to ask that we sign a couple of Latin American prospects now?
John Hart talking about being careful on the make up of guys.
Billy Ripken talking about how JoGui might never be motivated and that’s his problem. They think at least one team will get something done with the Royals on acquiring JoGui.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
please> :)
That gives us at least “cash considerations” from within the division.
Coffee. The NEW Performance Enhancing drug for Sport's Writers. Just ask Ken Rosenthal.
Sorry for the big post here
but I thought some of you might enjoy seeing the official 25-man roster WITHOUT JOSE GUILLEN!
Kansas City Royals Active Roster
# Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
19 Brian Bannister R-R 6’1" 215 Feb 28, 1981
41 Bryan Bullington R-R 6’4" 210 Sep 30, 1980
57 Jesse Chavez R-R 6’2" 170 Aug 21, 1983
52 Bruce Chen L-L 6’2" 215 Jun 19, 1977
34 Kyle Davies R-R 6’1" 210 Sep 9, 1983
23 Zack Greinke R-R 6’2" 190 Oct 21, 1983
56 Greg Holland R-R 5’11" 190 Nov 20, 1985
31 Dusty Hughes L-L 5’10" 185 Jun 29, 1982
59 Philip Humber R-R 6’3" 210 Dec 21, 1982
37 Sean O’Sullivan R-R 6’2" 230 Sep 1, 1987
48 Joakim Soria R-R 6’3" 200 May 18, 1984
53 Kanekoa Texeira R-R 6’2" 190 Feb 6, 1986
38 Blake Wood R-R 6’5" 230 Aug 8, 1985
# Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
18 Jason Kendall R-R 6’0" 190 Jun 26, 1974
27 Brayan Pena S-R 5’11" 235 Jan 7, 1982
# Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
30 Mike Aviles R-R 5’10" 205 Mar 13, 1981
3 Yuniesky Betancourt R-R 5’11" 210 Jan 31, 1982
46 Wilson Betemit S-R 6’2" 220 Nov 2, 1981
16 Billy Butler R-R 6’1" 240 Apr 18, 1986
17 Chris Getz L-R 5’11" 180 Aug 30, 1983
25 Kila Ka’aihue L-R 6’4" 235 Mar 29, 1984
# Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
7 Gregor Blanco L-L 5’11" 170 Dec 24, 1983
8 Willie Bloomquist R-R 5’11" 195 Nov 27, 1977
4 Alex Gordon L-R 6’2" 220 Feb 10, 1984
12 Mitch Maier L-R 6’2" 215 Jun 30, 1982
So is Humber just a bullpen guy?
Or does he start in Banny’s spot since Yost is skipping Banny once.
Good question.
He was a starter at Omaha. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got Banny’s start.
by Black and Gold on Aug 5, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And yet we kept the one older than me!
Huzzah!
Of course I hate him, but I really like it when there is at least one player on the field older than me so that I don’t feel too old.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
This is now my life.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
That list of outfielders makes me giddy without AnkIlleDnik out there...
Or something like that… I feel there needs to be a name for the evil trinity known as Ankiel, Guillen and Podsednik.
This is a little wordy
But I think of them as “Symbolic of the Last 25 Years.”
by Black and Gold on Aug 5, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anyone heard anything about Glass selling the team?
A friend texted me and said its on the twittersphere
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
and allegedly Greinke is unhappy
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there's a lengthy article about Greinke being publically unhappy.
It’s a FanShot now. I think the Glass rumors are just that – rumors. Nothing to base it on. People just got excited with the Rangers sale and with Cuban out looking at them, I think.
"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."
by MinnesotaRoyal on Aug 5, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I just read the Greinke story too...
Not sure what I think.
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Will someone post the link to the Greinke story please?
Much appreciated!
"This guy here is DEAD!"
"Cross him OFF then!"
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/05/2130939/royals-greinke-isnt-happy.html
for when I'm too lazy to come here, http://twitter.com/AtTheWall
Seems to me
That this ought to be its own post. I found it kind of disheartening how pouty Zack sounds. I mean, most of us would agree with what he’s saying, but he sort of indicates that we owe him success. Which may be true also, but… I dunno. Don’t like it.
Place witty signature here.
That seems to be the general opinion
Maybe it’s just Zack saying the emperor has no clues.
Place witty signature here.
Really hard to read that.
He sounds legitimately depressed. Especially his “more of a grind than anything since 2005” line.
FREE BRAYAN PENA.
It's a non-issue. nothing he said was untrue.
This is who Zack is. Why get worked up because “we need him to believe.”
I think it's somewhere in the middle...
…of being an issue and being a non-issue. I agree, there’s no reason to over-react, but certainly it bears keeping in the back of your mind if you’re DM/Glass, just to make sure it doesn’t grow into something more. Better safe than sorry, so to speak. But no, you’re right, there’s no need to over-react to it right now.
"This guy here is DEAD!"
"Cross him OFF then!"
Wikipedia's article on David Glass said he was going to announce he was selling the Royals
yesterday.
Maybe where there’s smoke there is fire?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
More likely wishful thinking
from a wiki-vandal.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
I spend a lot of time reverting vandalism on Wikipedia
One of the big things there is that everything must be verifiable. If you ever see anything on Wikipedia without a cited source, unless it’s common sense (something like “Paris is the capital of France”), be very skeptical.
She thinks she missed the train to Mars; she's out back counting stars.
by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 5, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Especially
when it’s said that something “will happen” yesterday, and it did not happen.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
To quote Michael Scott...
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
I once had hope...now I have Moore.
Yes!
This means that I’ll be able to watch baseball again and actually enjoy it!
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Aug 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
As much as this news makes me tingle in my special places
Another pitcher? Sheesh.
I am now channeling Will McDonald's optimism.
Jesus, everybody's gone
I picked the right time to quit paying major attention to Royals stuff.
Killing me won't bring back your goddamn honey!
In fairness to Guillen, might he have been more effective if used
correctly? Guillen,was repeatedly put into roles that exceeded his talent, was probably put in roles that irritated his teammates—how would you like to be Billy Butler and have Jose Guillen batting behind you—had a manager that permitted him to play though injured, a manager who declined to exercise managerial control over the player, etc. etc.
I will grant you that it is a bit bizarre
that Jose was automatically placed into the cleanup spot each and every single game, right up to the day he was DFA’d. What other team has DFA’d a guy who, at that time, was their regular #4 hitter?
by Black and Gold on Aug 5, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It all happens here!!!
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Aug 5, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Top Five Roles That Exceeded Jose Guillen's Talent, 2008-2010
1. Right Fielder
2. Left Fielder
3. Designated Hitter
4. Clubhouse Leader
5. Professional Baseball Player
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I am a long time viewer first time commentor
just wanted to say this is the best day in my history of my being a Royals fan.
wow.
that’s pretty rough…
The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986
by labbadabba on Aug 5, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think it's solely because of Guillen
But with the elimination of Ankiel, Farnsworth and Podsednik, he and Kendall represented years of mediocrity and a future clouded by poor decisions in the front office. With only Kendall left (and I suppose maybe Bloomquist) an actualy rebuild is under way, and the storm has appeared to abate. There’s light ahead, and we finally seem to be moving in the right direction.
sorry -
the first reply to your first post should have been that rude.
Yes, welcome, stay a while…
The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986
More Like The
Best day in the history of whatever
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 5, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
that maybe the best first comment for some one ever.
ON ANY SITE ON THE INTERWEBS!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Favorite moments of the JoGui era:
1. Greatest Offensive Season in the History of Whatever: Jose smacks 20 dingers and knocks in 97 RBIs, which I don’t remember hearing too many people complain about…
2. Jose set’s record for “least shit-gave-about record” : Jose racks up 10 RBIs in a series at Yankee Stadium
3. Jose nearly dies: Jose swings and misses so violently that he is transported back in to dinosaur times, narrowly escaping a T-Rex by running from it so slowly that he travels back in time BACKWARDS to the present.
by PopeSoria on Aug 5, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
No one may have been complaining about 20 HR's and 97 RBI's but no one was really that impressed anyway...
But that .300 OBP and his negative WAR that year… That was something to complain about.
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh fair enough...
I couldn’t get why you kept saying it
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
My comment on JoGui being the antichrist was removed from the Royals Facebook post
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
yeah that's got to be the reason
RE-POST!
;)
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I''d add
Yuni and make that 3.
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Aug 5, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I"d = I'd
My “shift” key must have stuck……..
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Aug 5, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, and I just stopped celebrating Ankiel's departure.
I’m gonna need more booze.
by RoyalCreole on Aug 5, 2010 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A sign that were looking forward?
I’ve been out of the country and generally away from the internet for the past month. Thankfully, I had only a little time every few days to check in and see the Royals still sucked.
I came back August 1, and I find Ankiel and Pods are gone. And now JoGui. After all the talk about the future it feels like we’re gearing up to let the young guys get some playing time. (At 26 is Kila still a “young guy”?)
Thanks to the last week’s activity along with jet lag and readjusting to American culture, my return home feels a little surreal and really good—kind of like being stoned for the first time all over again.
If no one else has said it I will
plaza parade
by tg111 on Aug 5, 2010 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
tickets booked!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Josey isn't invited
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
YES!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 6, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun fact
In his nearly 3 years, Jose Guillen, feared middle order slugger and cleanup man earning $30m has had 9 multi walk games (all were 2 walk games). In 340 games played
In his last 3 years, Alex Gordon, bust, lazy, uncoachable douche earning around $1.2m has had 18 multi walk games ( a number with more than 2). In 207 Games played
well Alex does have the advantage of having "the smirk"
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
...but it's his attitude while he does it!
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Quotes from when we acquired Jose Guillen...a reflection
“We feel we have acquired an impact bat from the right side of the plate,” Moore said Thursday. “He has a proven major league track record of success and we are looking forward to seeing him in the lineup in Kansas City.”
“Defensive position is not as important for me as the added potential to the lineup with slug and driving runs in,” Hillman said. “It would depend on how some other things fell.”
On Jose’s suspension: Royals general manager Dayton Moore said. "While my initial reaction is one of disappointment.
“I am thoroughly convinced that Jose will put this behind him. We collectively support him, as he begins a new chapter in his baseball life as a member of the Kansas City Royals.”
I once had hope...now I have Moore.
by Dubya on Aug 5, 2010 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
looks like RR has a new tag line
somewhere in there…
The Kansas City Royals; Successfully failing since 1986
“If that’s one of my worst mistakes — to sign somebody who has 20 home runs and 97 RBIs — I’ll take it.”
Dayton Moore, on Jose Guillen’s 2008
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by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The blood clot on his legs of a roster
if you will
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
by Top Ramen on Aug 5, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It makes sense to give Kila a legitimate shot
Guillen has sucked the past two months, but was pretty good in the beginning of the year. With the season over you need to play the young players.
Still don’t get all the hate for Guillen. Its not his fault Moore stupidly gave him 12 million. If he got a 3 year 18 million dollar contract everyones opinion of Guillen would be different. He didn’t deserve so much hate but I’m glad he’s gone.
The future really starts now
Guillen is a tool...
That interview after the game where he caught the ball against the wall where he spent 5 minutes talking about how people thought he was done and how he’s still “got it” was such bullshit. Fuck him.
C'MON CHEN!!! ---Will Ferrell
by averagegatsby on Aug 5, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
^ Yeah pretty much agree.
Given enough velocity even a pig will fly
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Aug 5, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this the Ron Mahay special?
Will a contending team pick him up for the minimum as a bat off the bench?
If I were running a team
I’d pick him up, at minimum WAGE, to clean my stadium after games.
He’s done as a baseball player. I can’t imagine him actually producing for a team down the stretch. If you’re a “contender” who is looking for “another bat” to push you over the top…and Jose Guillen is your answer, then…man, I feel sorry for your fanbase.
"Never get less than 12 hours sleep. Never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as as city. And never go near a lady who's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick with that, and everything else is cream cheese." -Coach Bobby Finstock
by Sweep_the_Leg on Aug 5, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but at this point in the season, you don't have many options.
Jose may be the best power bat freely available.
So what happens with his road suites
Does he still get them or does someone else on the team get them?
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
by Jeff Zimmerman on Aug 5, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
anything booked already gets donated to the homeless
something the royals have done for years
oh wait, i just made that up
There is a real charity in which some stock exchange company
gives $1000 to Habitat for Humanity every time a KC Royal bats 1.000 in a game.
A good pinch-hitting performance notwithstanding, I think this company must fucking hate animals.
I think they give money even when there is no 1.000 hitter
It’s just a smaller amount.
BATS Trading is from right here in KC.
Guillen, oh, Guillen Guillen’s gone today.
If I hadn’t have signed old
Guillen I’d have had a place for Kila to play.
Guillen’s gone, one more round Guillen’ gone
"Delia's Gone" by J. R. Cash
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
Yes, indeed. But now you have to add your own verse. Another one to keep the ball rolling —
I went into the clubhouse,
Asked “Where’d Guillen go?” They said, “He’s in the whirlpool,
Doctoring his toe.”
Guillen’s gone, one more round Guillen’s gone
How about two?
Went down to old Kaufmann, Alex Gordon’s in right field
Guillén got put on waivers when Moore couldn’t make a deal
Guillén’s gone, one more round, Guillén’s gone
Now Guillén is out in Frisco, looking for a job
The Royals are much better now they’ve cut that goddamn slob
Guillén’s gone, one more round, Guillén’s gone.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
Excellent
We’re rolling now.
He was a hacking manic,
Swung at everything they threw.
Pretty much was over when the count was 0 and 2.
Guillen’s gone, one more round Guillen’s gone.
But Dayton, oh Dayton — Dayton I can’t sleep
‘Cause all around the ballpark
I hear the patter of Bloomer’s feet.
When’s he gone, one more round Guillen’s gone.
Guillén’s gone from the Royals, and soon from MLB as well
In ten or fifteen years they’ll find him dead in a motel
Guillén’s gone, one more round, Guillén’s gone.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
It's a song that demands an untimely death
and now that you’ve provided it I think we’ve done our job.
Thanks, this was fun.
Guillen will NOT be picked up by anyone.
He is too much of a cancer to bring into a contending team, and his pride will not allow him to be a pinch-hitter.
FREE BRAYAN PENA.
Playing Guillen to improve his trade value
sure paid off
by Gopherballs on Aug 5, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Twitter has been down
for about 3 hours now. I’m starving for information.
What is this nonsense about Mark Cuban buying the Royals?
http://www.royalskingdom.blogspot.com
A pipe dream
From the mind of Joel Thorman
She thinks she missed the train to Mars; she's out back counting stars.
by KeepItCopacetic on Aug 5, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
the guy from Community is a Royals fan?
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Can't get enough of me? Check out my Twitter feed.
by Matt Klaassen on Aug 5, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know I'm late to the party, but I just now saw this on the ESPN scroll
Ironically it was while I was enjoying a bowl of Cap’n Crunch Homerun Crunch (with fun baseball shapes!).
It was so irritating
That he would be in this endless slump and yet he HAD to be in every game and HAD to bat fourth or fifth, like the opposing pitcher was supposed to be saying “Oh shit, now I have to face Jose.”
ps: And I have to add
Has there ever been a more meaningless 21 game hitting streak; there was maybe one meaningful to game outcome at bat in those hits.
I don't know about meaningless
But it was certainly weak. 31 hits in those 21 games and 27 of them were singles (2 doubles, 1 triple, and 1 HR).
Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau
by aHorseWithNoName on Aug 5, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG! I thought this day would never come!
I’m a little late to the party, but I just got home and found out via an e-mail from my dad.
At the beginning, I really wanted to like Jose – what can I say, I like the crazy (as long as I’m not in the room with it). But damn he made it impossible.
Is it really possible? Is Kila actually going to get a shot? A real shot? I am fucking stoked right now. This is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A thousand exclamation points awesome!
I'm am late to the party as well, but
WOOOOHOOOOO
Where does the talent of Royals prospects go? I imagine a man in Germany shouting "Why can I play baseball so well? WHY?" - Joe Posnanski
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Aug 6, 2010 12:20 AM EDT reply actions
Why don't you marry him?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Aug 6, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
A beauty from the Royals.com message board
pireump wrote:
It is a good thing this organization isn’t run by the lot of you blockheads. Loosing our only serious power threat, in such a disgracefull manner, is a serious blow to the integrity of this organization. Like the brass said, he was nothing short of premium example of a gameday warrior. Yes he was hurt, but was dedicated to winning. He would have been rookie of the year in ’97 had he played on a more media friendly club, and you Guillen-bashers just want to flush that experience he brought to this club down the toilet!!! Unbelievable, I hope you all sleep well.
This is pure comic gold.
“Gameday warrior!”
by Black and Gold on Aug 6, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The Royals.com board may be the worst Royals message board out there
I feel sad for staring my BBS’ing days there.
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
Back in the early 2000s it was actually fairly active
Not sure what’s happened since then
Unless I'm wrong...
My Twitter feed
Now all we have left to bitch about
are Kendall and Yuni and Bloomy.
So, looking back, what were Dayton’s worst decisions ever?
I’d say 1) signing Guillén in the first place 2) trading Núñez for Jacobs c) last winter’s crop of FA signings as a whole.
Meche? Well, he was good the first two years, and then the third year Trey abused his arm and he got injured, effectively ending his usefulness to the team for the rest of his contract. It was still a bad move, stand-up guy as Gil is, because starters get injured a lot, and an injury to Meche before the end of his contract was probable.
"The bowler's Holding, the batsman's Willey" - Unfortunate cricket commentator
I remember wanting the Mariners to re-sign him.
It’s not that I didn’t have some sort of rudimentary understanding of more advanced stats then homeruns and rbis, but Guillen was my blindspot and I stuck by him even in the face of the good folks at LL suggesting otherwise.
At least from my experience watching him in Seattle, it was easy to be deceived on his true value. Yeah, he struck out a lot and looked like a dog in the field at times, but sometimes he blasted the ball and drove in 4-5.
So while I don’t blame the more casual fan for thinking better of him then he deserves, I do blame them for not listening to the people you can find here…who know better.
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