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Things That Went Wrong For The Royals In 2010: The Pitching Staff Was Terrible

I don't know if you are the same way, but when I think about the Royals, I just always think about the position players. This year was no different. We had the endless Kendall issue (or rather, the Endless Kendall Issue), the weird love for Yuni, the Gordon & Kila drama, etc. And then there was the fact that the Royals hit a zillion singles in 2010, and for a time led the AL in batting average. Nevermind that it still wasn't a good offense. Anyway, we dealt with all that. We didn't talk much about the pitching however.

Guess who has been the worst pitching staff in the AL?

Even prior to Sunday's debacle (in which the Royals allowed 12 runs) the team was already dead last in runs allowed per game. Now, part of that has been on the team defense, which has once again been bad. Through the weekend, the Royals had the second worst UZR number in MLB. (This is really a full post topic for another day.)

Here are the Royals stats for some of the basic categories, along with their AL rank.


Category
AL Rank
R/G
5.27
14th
ERA
5.02
14th
K/9
6.4
10th
BB/9
3.5
12th
H/9
9.8
14th
FIP
4.55
13th

Star-divide

As you can see above, the Royal pitchers haven't been helped by their defense (hence the high hits allowed total) but they also haven't helped themselves. The Royals don't strike many players out and they walk more than most. The collapse in strikeout rate is particularly interesting, given that the Royals were 4th in the AL in K/9 in 2009.

The Royals have had 25 pitchers appear for the team in 2010, the most in the AL. Twelve of those pitchers have pitched less than 40 innings for the team, and nearly all of those random dudes have been bad. Really though, outside of Greinke and Soria, everyone has been bad. Here are the FIPs for the guys who have pitched the most:


IP
FIP
Greinke
196.1
3.36
Davies
161.2
4.51
Bannister
126.2
5.51
Chen
113.2
4.58
Hochevar
81
3.96
Soria
59
2.62
Meche
53.2
5.80
Tejeda
52
3.73
Hughes
49
4.30

 

(For an explanation of FIP, click here.)

Essentially, the rotation has fallen apart past Greinke. Davies and Bannister have all but pitched themselves out of jobs, and Hochevar and Meche have been un-inspiring and or hurt. Bruce Chen hasn't exactly been good, but for being the definition of a replacement level player, he's been ok and eaten innings.

Really, 2010 has been a throwback year for the Royals. Hordes of guys have pitched, including a fair number of really obscure names. We've even had some near competence from a random retread (Chen) that's been kinda fun. It's like 2002 or 2006 all over again.

Around year two of the Moore regime, it looked like the Royals were close to building their rotation of the future. In a way, that did end up happening, the only problem was that Meche feel apart, Davies never stepped forward, and Banny proved to be a bad option. Similarly, since Ramon Ramirez, the Royals haven't truly pulled in a great bullpen arm to compliment Soria.

Really, what we're seeing in 2010 is the death rattle of Dayton's first rebuilding attempt. Meche couldn't make through much more than 50% of his contract before falling apart, Davies was just an arm after all, Banny was just a head. Thousands of guys have had a spin in the bullpen, and even the days of interesting live arms look gone. We're back to basics: Greinke & Soria and not much else.

So now, if the Royals want to make their run to glory in 2012, they're going to need to nearly completely rebuild the pitching staff in the next season and change.

Pitchers Reasonably in Place for 2012:

  • SP 1: Greinke
  • SP 2: Hochevar
  • SP 3: [unknown]
  • SP 4: [unknown]
  • SP 5: [unknown]
  • CL: Soria
  • BL 1: Tejeda
  • BL 2: [unknown]
  • BL 3: [unknown]
  • BL 4: [unknown]
  • BL 5: [unknown]
  • BL 6: [unknown]

Obviously, we all have ideas on who else will fill in those slots. Aaron Crow is out there, certainly. As is Mike Montgomery, Danny Duffy, John Lamb, Chris Dwyer, Tim Collins, and others. I don't even know if Hochevar should be listed as a certain thing at this point. I'm sure some of those guys will be up by 2012 and maybe one or two of them might be really good by 2012. And then after 2012, Greinke leaves most likely, so another will need to step forward.

Had Davies or someone else emerged, the Royals would be in a much better position. But that didn't happen.

For me, a negative, glass half empty, kinda guy, this goes back to the implausibility of the Royals competing in 2012.

As for 2010, good riddance.

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Good points

But really, Alex Gordon is to blame for this.

by NotAHippie on Sep 13, 2010 12:21 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Just a couple points...

1. You never said Chen was terrible by any means, but I feel he’s done a really good job for being thrown into the fire. By no means do I think he’s found a new pitching life this year or deserves a starting spot next year, and his walks/hits probably show he’s gotten a little lucky, but I think he’s been a nice surprise.

2. No mention of Sean O’Sullivan anywhere? Not that he deserves it.

3. Where does Jesse Chavez fit in in 2012, because obviously he’s not going away.

by KyleM on Sep 13, 2010 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Chavez in 2012? For reals?

I’d laugh this off completely if not for the haunting echo of another name: Something Yabuta.

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by LaFLamme on Sep 13, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

O'Sullivan

He is one of those guys that can be decent… there is potential… but will it ever be uncovered? If we get a PC in here who knows what he’s doing and doesn’t feel his way through the season…

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't even remember all the duds we've gone through

Rupe? And wasn’t there a Rupe clone who threw two or three decent innings and then fell apart? It’s all a blur.

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by LaFLamme on Sep 13, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

obviously Pena got too much playing time

Jason Kendall is a great gamecaller, ya know

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by BHWick on Sep 13, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Dayton bought good groceries

McClure just can’t cook!

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fir McClure!

Do it.

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm terrified by what will happen if we bring up the young pitchers and we still have McClure here.

Might as well trade them all.

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Say what you will, but we'll always have this:

“C’MON CHEN”

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by Royal Kingdom on Sep 13, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I feel like this could be a series that goes on until next season.

“Thing #146 That Went Wrong For The Royals In 2010…”

"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."

by MinnesotaRoyal on Sep 13, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

If they have hopes of contending in 2012

they HAVE to spend some money and acquire another above avg starting pitcher, right?

I mean, I like the potential and the sheer volume of pitching prospects brewing in the minors as much as the next guy right now – but to me, it wouldn’t hurt to acquire another “bird in the hand” to go along with Greinke.

I’m coming around to 306008’s position on McClure. I don’t have the expertise to know if he is a problem or not – but my God, his results sure suck, IMHO. To me, this would be one additional area Glass could show some faith by authorizing bringing in a pitching coach with a good track record (Don Cooper, Leo Mazzone, Dave Duncan, or somebody like that)

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Sep 13, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

And it's not we didn't have some talent in our system

Regression from Greinke which was expected, but Banni flopping, Davies not producing, O’Sullivan not showing any improvement… those are the starters that are the heart and soul of the pitching staff…. you have to have those guys going and I know Meche got hurt and Hochevar got hurt so we can not hold him as highly accountable because of injury, but the other talents struggling is not okay….

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me,

but I was not surprised by Banni’s flop (was disappointed, though), Davies not producing (totally expected), and SOS not showing any improvement (didn’t really know anything about him), or Meche’s arm falling off (was anyone?). Are these guys really performing all that much worse than we expected?

by BrRoyal on Sep 13, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember some jerk saying that O'Sullivan "suicked" when he was acquired

and getting roundly shouted down. I bet that guy feels stupid now.

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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 13, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't think they were great

But the expectations where much higher than what they’ve produced. And all seem to have made no progress or regressed…

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this the consensus?

I had higher expectations, but “much higher”? I don’t think so.

by BrRoyal on Sep 14, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know everyone likes to look at FIP rather than ERA,

but using ERA, it’s not just that the Royals are last – it’s that they are a quarter run worse than 13th, and over three quarter runs worse than 12th!

Yeah, some is the defense – but still, this resembles the pitching staff Moore inherited, and that is downright depressing.

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by loyal2sdad on Sep 13, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

ERA might be a decent way to look at this team to emphasize that not only do the pitchers suck

but the defense sucks, too.

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by Warden11 on Sep 13, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

24 million for Moyer

50 million for Maine

by Peterman700 on Sep 13, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

sweet!

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's not JoGui!

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either that

or he’s been swapping meds with Sosa.

"Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic."

by MinnesotaRoyal on Sep 13, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A picture does not worth 1000 words

As you cannot all-cap or put and exclamation point on a picture.

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Sep 13, 2010 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I meant to wrote

Me English not good.

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by CentralChamps20?? on Sep 13, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Draw Us A

Picture.

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by philofthenorth on Sep 13, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the "Unknown"s, I would say 3 of the 8 are pretty much always unknown from season to season

If there’s one thing this org can do, it’s produce a #5 starter; so even if we don’t know exactly who it is, we know one will be around (Davies, Banny, Chen, Sully, etc.).

Same goes for the last two bullpen spots. These guys are usually unknown until spring training closes, and they’re dime-a-dozen anyways.

It doesn’t make finding the other 5 pitchers any less important, though – especially two starters.

The only people who really know where [the edge] is are the ones who have gone over it.

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Sep 13, 2010 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Carlos Zambrano

We need a firey starter— I think Carlos Zambrano would be a great gamble. This team just lacks that spark. We need someone out there who will pump his fist after getting a strike out and get in peoples’ faces…. but either way, I agree that the starting pitching needs to be overhauled, but without handing out overdone multi-year contracts to mediocre veterans. Davies and Bannister should be kicked out for sure— they’ve been given more than enough chances to step up. At least Meche is looking like a good option for an 8th inning guy (granted a $12 million 8th inning dude…), I say let Tejeda and Humber take Davies and Bannisters’ spots for 2011, and maybe one of them can emerge as a contributor for 2012?

by Esteban Silvani on Sep 13, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see Tejeda gone

And no way on Zambrano. We don’t need a cancer. We jsut got rid of a few of those I think…. Not to mention he gets like $18 mil a year?

Davies is the only one I’d keep… but if we have McClure around at that point, you might as well let everyone go because they sure the heck won’t get any b

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

(fail)

etter.

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by 306008 on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Colt Griffin Will

Pump his fist and get in people’s faces for beer money.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Sep 14, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Yost said in the paper

that he still needs to evaluate the coaching positions for next year, so maybe there’s a chance that the R’s get a new pitching coach. Not sure how much of a factor his being old teammates with McClure will factor in, but the Royals having the worst staff in the league by such a huge margin can’t be ignored.

by swing and a miss on Sep 13, 2010 7:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not a one year deal with this staff either.

They’ve issued tons of walks through the last couple of years. McClure’s getting shit to work with but at least get them throwing strikes.

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by Warden11 on Sep 13, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've started to come around on mcclure

his reputation is much stronger than the actual results.

i do think davies and chen will be starters next year, and we’ll pick up one FA to fill out the rotation…banny’s as good as gone.

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Sep 13, 2010 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

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