Colby Rasmus request a trade what would you give for him?
I have no idea what the Cardinals would want they don't seem to have much leverage considering LaRussa just doesn't seem to like the kid.
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Kyle Davies, Chris Getz, and Jai Miller
Get it done. They need a middle infielder that can actually play defense, and they’re dumb enough to do something like this.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Sep 6, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions
good question
I’m sure every fan base in the league is trying to figure this out. If I were the Cards, I’d fire LaRussa over this. It was bad enough with Rolen, and frankly, even the Adam Kennedy thing was idiotic, but at this point, the problem has to be LaRussa, right? And we’re talking a 23-year old kid not even in arbitration yet, is a good hitter, can play center (although he’s had problems out there this season).
Obviously, I’d try to lowball them first. Don’t know what they’d want. Hard to say which, if any, prospects I"d be willing to give up, since so many of them made big leaps. You’d have to consider it (although not Myers or Hosmer, obviously), given Rasmus age and skill…
That aside, if I couldn’t completely rip them off (and as much as I still like Gordon, Gordon for Rasmus would be a rip off), I’d so Soria for Rasmus in a second if I was running the Royals — that would favor KC pretty heavilty.. Wouldn’t have to think about it. Butler for Rasmus I would also do.
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None of those listed trades are really fair to the Cardinals.
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I like Rasmus, probably too much.
I’d do Soria straight up, though they wouldn’t (shouldn’t anyway). Soria and DDJ? If they throw in a half decent prospect I’d do that too.
Soria, DDJ and Johnny G?
I would do it in a heartbeat. Too much? Too little?
off the top of my head
That seems fair. One could make an argument that it is too little or too much, depending on what you think of Johnny G. (I’m not sure what I think of him). I’d lean towards this still being a good deal for the Royals. I’d try just Soria first, though… teams go nuts for closers, and the Cards are marching Ryan Franklin out there.
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
and Ryan Franklin
intends to retire after the 2011 season so they may as well find a replacement now.
Also
How are you even a halfway competent GM if you let your manager, any manager, hound out one of your best young hitters?
Agree
although Pujols apparently is on TLR’s side, which makes things complicated for the GM
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
He also likes Mark McGwire who
has him hitting with an open stance and stepping in the bucket ala Mike Aviles. Great coaching.
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If they really do put Rasmus on the trade block
I would bet the Red Sox offer a haul.
Greinke for Rasmus and Shelby Miller?
Also, the Soria for Rasmus idea is intriguing since Ryan Franklin is retiring.
Seriously, if Dayton pulls off Soria for Rasmus
I might have to pull a Rany-esque Bandwagon Jump (with all due respect to Rany)
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, me too.
Rasmus is an incredibly valuable player but if you wanted to screw over a player, sending him to the Royals would do the trick.
You could make a good argument for Greinke straight up for Rasmus favoring the Royals
not sure that i would make the argument, but it isn’t crazy, not even close, given the relative contract situations
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Dave Duncan would make Greinke into
the best pitcher ever. Just has that mysterious ability.
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by MinnesotaRoyal on Sep 6, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I had to look up Rasmus’ numbers because I don’t really follow the NL all that much, but… really? I know he’s young and has good pop and an objectively good OBP, but I would want a package that included Rasmus for Greinke or Soria. Butler – yeah, trade him straight up even though he’d have no position (but value wise that’s fair).
I’m just surprised you guys think Rasmus is equal to Matt Holliday or something when my ignorant eyes see Corey Hart.
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by CollininCalifornia on Sep 6, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
main thing: it's not just about the skill
it’s like any other investment — if you pay $12 million for an $12M dollar house, you haven’t added an asset… but if you pay $400,000 for a $12 million house… then you’re cooking with gas.
Rasmus will get the minimum next season, then will be in arb the next three seasons at a fraction of what his value would be on the FA market. That’s the main thing.
As for the Corey Comparison:
1) Hart is in his age 28 season, Rasmus is in his age 23 season (just turned 24).
2) Rasmus is a CF, and even if his fielding has been off this season according to some measures, he was very good last season. Hart is average at best in RF
3) Rasmus is 23 and clearly and above aveage overall player. When Hart was 23, he got a cup of coffee with the Brewers, and in his age 24 season was crappy in half a season (0.4 WAR).
4) Hart’s career walk rate is 6.5%, Rasmus’ is already 8.9%. This is a skill that generally increases, Rasmus is already better and h as more room to grow.
5) In Hart’s age 23 season, he had a .175 ISO and a .186 the next season. Rasmus h as a .232 ISO so far.
6) Rasmus at 23 has better O-Swing percentage and Swinging strike percentage than Hart does at 28.
Need I go on? The best publicly available projection system there is, CHONE, in hits current update, has Rasmus as a 3.5 WAR player. Corey Hart is at 2.1, and Billy Butler is at 2.7. Take it with a grain of salt of course (defensive projections, especially), but keep in mind that H art is on the decline and Rasmus is on the way up (and has more room to grow than Butler).
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
if you pay $12 million for an $12M dollar house, you haven’t added an asset… but if you pay $400,000 for a $12 million house… then you’re cooking with gas.
Except the house is likely to appreciate (or better maintain) value. But I understand what you mean.
Rasmus is on the way up (and has more room to grow than Butler).
Only because Billy has already gained a lot of weight, clearly making it so that Rasmus has more room to grow.
Cardinals don't have much leverage on this
Therefor I think that Soria might be more than enough to get it done. Franklin retiring, their bullpen sucks as it is, Soria on a team friendly contract for a few more years….
With Greinke and Rasmus both fairly unhappy (and maybe Billy but they don’t want billy) we might be able to work something there but it’d be a much more from the Cards.
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They have as much leverage as there is demand
and I think there would be plenty of demand if they were to try and trade Rasmus.
How do they not have leverage?
Not only, as nwroyal points out, is there going to be a ton of demand, they control Rasmus through 2014 no matter what he or other teams want. He can ask for a trade, they are under no obligation to give him one.
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, go for it,
but try to lowball first. Presuming Dave Duncan is returning, play to their fetish for reclaiming broken pitchers. Try Bannister or Davies as the start of a deal. Other pieces would obviously be necessary and I’ll let others do the speculating on those.
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by The Ol' Perfesser on Sep 6, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions
Considering the 40-man roster issues we're going to have this offseason
It might be best to try trading several players rather than one-for one.
The above scenario of Soria-DDJ-JohnnyG might try Ed Lucas instead of JohnnyG, thus eliminating someone who would have to go on the 40-man. (Not that I expect the team to protect Lucas or use him next year, but we might as well try to get something out of an impressive season in AAA, even for a 28-yr old.) Or, perhaps they would do DDJ-Davies-Lough?
Why would they do DDJ-Davies-Lough?
I mean, yay if they do, but they’d be getting an older, inferior, more expensive OFer for one year, a pitcher would should be non-tendered, and a potential 4th OFer. That would be a massive, massive ripoff.
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by Matt Klaassen on Sep 6, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No way
Does Rasmus equal Soria. Rasmus is at about a 33% K rate! I would do Soria for Rasmus and Shelby Miller, but they wouldn’t.
I would do Rasmus for Aaron Crow and Blanco. Then Soria and Gordon to the Yanks for C Jesus Montero, CF Gardner and RHP Ivan Nova.
2011
CF Gardner
LF DeJesus
1B Butler
RF Rasmus
3B Moose
DH Kila
SS Betancourt
C FA/Pena then Montero at AS Break
2B Aviles/ FA
Greinke
Hoe
Monty
Nova
Chen
Meche sets up
Collins-Closer
He's never been that high before
He’s projected to go 25% the rest of the year, with a 10% BB rate. You underrate Rasmus by a lot by saying Crow and Blanco. No way.
Also, it would be smart to do a Soria for Rasmus straight up. Rasmus already has 2.7WAR this year, more than Soria has EVER produced. Im not going into the other trade you propose.










