Royals Top 60 Prospects: #6-1
You've waited, you've had sleepless night, you've dreamed of this day---who (or perhaps: in what order) are the Royals' Top 6 Prospects. If the Royals are to ever climb out of the deep dark hole they've dug, they will need some of these players to become stars--perhaps have one who can put up a few MVP type seasons .
But we aren't quite done yet, next week I'll wrap up the series by putting out a little something I call The Overview.
#6 Chris Dwyer--LHP--DOB:1/10/88
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | Aff | G | GS | IP | BF | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2009 | 21 | Idaho Falls | Rk | KCR | 4.15 | 4 | 4 | 8.2 | 45 | 2.308 | 12.5 | 1.0 | 8.3 | 15.6 | 1.88 |
| 2010 | 22 | 2 Teams | A+-AA | KCR | 3.00 | 19 | 19 | 102.0 | 436 | 1.304 | 7.9 | 0.4 | 3.8 | 10.0 | 2.63 |
| 2010 | 22 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 2.99 | 15 | 15 | 84.1 | 363 | 1.328 | 8.4 | 0.3 | 3.5 | 9.9 | 2.82 |
| 2010 | 22 | Northwest Arkansas | AA | KCR | 3.06 | 4 | 4 | 17.2 | 73 | 1.189 | 5.6 | 1.0 | 5.1 | 10.2 | 2.00 |
| 2 Seasons | 3.09 | 23 | 23 | 110.2 | 481 | 1.383 | 8.3 | 0.5 | 4.1 | 10.4 | 2.51 | ||||
Chris Dwyer was the Royals 4th Round of the 2009 draft out of Clemson. Dwyer was the baseball draft equivalent of an unicorn: the extremely rare draft eligible freshman. He repeated a couple years of school (I believe his parents wanted him to do that for athletic reasons). Thus, he was 21 during his freshman season and eligible for the draft. He was inconsistent during his freshman season but his talent and stuff were evident. He signed with the Royals for $1.45 million. Dwyer has a fastball that is in the low 90s--reaching 94 at times. His curveball is a plus pitch--it can be devastating at times and his change-up can be above average as well. The potential for 3 plus pitches is why he is ranked this high but as you can see his control is something he will have to work on. He's been a flyball pitcher so far in his career--so he will need to keep the longball in check. He pitched well in Wilmington last year and pitched pretty good in limited innings at AA. A back strain kept him out the last 6 weeks of the season. As far as I know, he is healthy and should start 2011 at AA. He profiles as a #2 or #3 starter.
#5 John Lamb--LHP--DOB:7/10/90
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | Aff | G | GS | IP | |||||||
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| 2009 | 18 | 2 Teams | Rk | KCR | 3.80 | 14 | 14 | 68.2 | 1.121 | 7.5 | 1.0 | 2.6 | 9.3 | 3.55 |
| 2009 | 18 | Idaho Falls | Rk | KCR | 3.70 | 8 | 8 | 41.1 | 1.065 | 7.2 | 0.9 | 2.4 | 10.0 | 4.18 |
| 2009 | 18 | Burlington | Rk | KCR | 3.95 | 6 | 6 | 27.1 | 1.207 | 7.9 | 1.3 | 3.0 | 8.2 | 2.78 |
| 2010 | 19 | 3 Teams | A+-A-AA | KCR | 2.38 | 28 | 28 | 147.2 | 1.131 | 7.4 | 0.3 | 2.7 | 9.7 | 3.53 |
| 2010 | 19 | Burlington | A | KCR | 1.58 | 8 | 8 | 40.0 | 1.075 | 5.8 | 0.4 | 3.8 | 9.7 | 2.53 |
| 2010 | 19 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 1.45 | 13 | 13 | 74.2 | 0.991 | 7.1 | 0.1 | 1.8 | 10.8 | 6.00 |
| 2010 | 19 | Northwest Arkansas | AA | KCR | 5.45 | 7 | 7 | 33.0 | 1.515 | 10.1 | 0.5 | 3.5 | 7.1 | 2.00 |
| 2 Seasons | 2.83 | 42 | 42 | 216.1 | 1.128 | 7.4 | 0.5 | 2.7 | 9.6 | 3.54 | ||||
The Royals have built much of their farm system on a lot of above slot spending in the draft. However, in John Lamb the Royals simply found a gem outside the top couple rounds of the draft. Lamb had been an impressive HS pitcher but broke his arm in a car accident and missed his Senior season. The Royals went ahead and took him in the 5th Round of the 2009 draft--and Lamb signed for close to slot money. Lamb has a low 90s fastball that can be a good pitch. His curve and change also can be good pitches--he needs to trust them more. Lamb has very good control and is advanced for his age. He dominated at Low-A and High-A in 2010. His numbers at AA don't look quite as good but his FIP there was 3.89. Lamb is also considered a fierce competitor--I think I've read the term "bulldog" applied to him. I'm not sure if that makes him a better prospect but its something that folks like to mention. I'm guessing he will go back to AA for 2011. He has the potential to be a good #2 and if things go really well, he could be an #1.
#4 Mike Montgomery--LHP--DOB:7/1/89
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | Aff | G | GS | IP | |||||||
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| 2008 | 18 | Royals | Rk | KCR | 1.69 | 12 | 9 | 42.2 | 1.008 | 6.5 | 0.4 | 2.5 | 7.2 | 2.83 |
| 2009 | 19 | 2 Teams | A-A+ | KCR | 2.21 | 21 | 21 | 110.0 | 1.055 | 6.5 | 0.1 | 2.9 | 8.0 | 2.72 |
| 2009 | 19 | Burlington | A | KCR | 2.17 | 12 | 12 | 58.0 | 1.138 | 6.5 | 0.2 | 3.7 | 8.1 | 2.17 |
| 2009 | 19 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 2.25 | 9 | 9 | 52.0 | 0.962 | 6.6 | 0.0 | 2.1 | 8.0 | 3.83 |
| 2010 | 20 | 3 Teams | AA-A+-Rk | KCR | 2.61 | 20 | 20 | 93.0 | 1.151 | 7.4 | 0.4 | 3.0 | 8.5 | 2.84 |
| 2010 | 20 | Royals | Rk | KCR | 1.04 | 3 | 3 | 8.2 | 0.808 | 6.2 | 0.0 | 1.0 | 7.3 | 7.00 |
| 2010 | 20 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 1.09 | 4 | 4 | 24.2 | 0.730 | 5.1 | 0.0 | 1.5 | 12.0 | 8.25 |
| 2010 | 20 | Northwest Arkansas | AA | KCR | 3.47 | 13 | 13 | 59.2 | 1.374 | 8.4 | 0.6 | 3.9 | 7.2 | 1.85 |
| 3 Seasons | 2.27 | 53 | 50 | 245.2 | 1.083 | 6.9 | 0.3 | 2.9 | 8.1 | 2.78 | ||||
Montgomery topped this list a year ago. He ranks #4 this year--not due to performance issues--but I prefer high ceiling bats to high ceiling arms--and Monty has a bit of injury concern lingering from last year. Montgomery started the year off completely dominant at High-A--including an amazing early season outing --7ip, 2h, 1r, 0w, 13k, 84 pitches, 64 strikes--I think it was BA's JJ Cooper that called it the best pitching performance he's ever seen in minor league baseball. He was soon promoted to AA but suffered a strained forearm that landed him on the DL. He wasn't quite the same coming back from the injury--velocity at times was lacking and his control suffered. He did go ahead and pitch in the Arizona Fall League where he pitched 10.1 IP, 13h, 7r, 7er, 3hr, 2bb, 11k. When he's healthy, Montgomery features a very good fastball--that can reach 95 and with downward movement that produces a lot of ground balls. He change-up is also a very good pitch. What was most impressive early in 2010 was that his curve had improved and become a good pitch also. Put it all together and Montgomery has the makings of a #1--with health being the big concern. He will probably start 2011 at AA or AAA and could force his way on the big league roster late in the year.
#3 Mike Moustakas--3B--DOB:9/11/88
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | Aff | G | PA | AB | SB | CS | BB | SO | ||||
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| 2007 | 18 | Idaho Falls | Rk | KCR | 11 | 47 | 41 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 8 | .293 | .383 | .439 | .822 |
| 2008 | 19 | Burlington | A | KCR | 126 | 549 | 496 | 8 | 4 | 43 | 86 | .272 | .337 | .468 | .805 |
| 2009 | 20 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 129 | 530 | 492 | 10 | 6 | 32 | 90 | .250 | .297 | .421 | .718 |
| 2010 | 21 | 2 Teams | AA-AAA | KCR | 118 | 534 | 484 | 2 | 1 | 34 | 67 | .322 | .369 | .630 | .999 |
| 2010 | 21 | Northwest Arkansas | AA | KCR | 66 | 298 | 259 | 0 | 1 | 26 | 42 | .347 | .413 | .687 | 1.100 |
| 2010 | 21 | Omaha | AAA | KCR | 52 | 236 | 225 | 2 | 0 | 8 | 25 | .293 | .314 | .564 | .878 |
| 4 Seasons | 384 | 1660 | 1513 | 20 | 11 | 113 | 251 | .282 | .336 | .504 | .839 | ||||
I think every ranking of Royals Prospects I've seen has Moose at either #1 or #3. If you value power and like your prospects almost ready to go, then Moose is your #1. If you prefer a more complete hitting package with better on base skills and don't mind waiting another year, Myers and the Hoz rank above Moose. I've got Moose at #3 but in my overall ranking of baseball prospects, they are very close to each other (Myers, Hoz and Moose rank within 4 slots of each other--I'll post my overall prospect list in the The Overview). Moose, the #2 overall picks in the 2007 draft, recovered from a disappointing 2009 to put up video game numbers in 2010--326/369/630 with 41 doubles, 36 HR, 34 BB (that's right, more HR than BB), and 67 K). His home/road splits at AA were crazy-716 OPS on the road/1379 at home). He was finally promoted to AAA in July and initially struggled there. He had a Quinn-like streak of not walking at one point but things finally clicked and he got red hot again--this time without the crazy home/road split. Moose has tremendous bat speed that helps generate that amazing power. While he will never be an on base machine--if he can keep the walk rate between 6-8% he should be OK. He also doesn't strike out much--again his quick wrists allow him to get to all kinds of pitches. Moose should be able to stick at 3rd for the foreseeable future--his range isn't great but beyond that he is a pretty good fielder with a great arm. Space doesn't allow me to fully pontificate on Moose's legendary leadership skills. Moose is a hard prospect to project--the power combined with low BB and K rates make him to categorize. I will be happy if he can provide power in the middle of the lineup and get on base at an average clip. Moose has the best shot of any Royals' prospect in a long time to break Bye-Bye's HR record of 36. Moose will be at AAA to start 2011 until the beginning of June when he will take over 3rd base duties for the big club.
#2 Eric Hosmer--1B--DOB:10/24/89
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | Aff | G | PA | AB | SB | CS | BB | SO | ||||
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| 2008 | 18 | Idaho Falls | Rk | KCR | 3 | 15 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | .364 | .533 | .545 | 1.079 |
| 2009 | 19 | 2 Teams | A-A+ | KCR | 106 | 434 | 377 | 3 | 2 | 53 | 90 | .241 | .334 | .361 | .695 |
| 2009 | 19 | Burlington | A | KCR | 79 | 327 | 280 | 3 | 2 | 44 | 68 | .254 | .352 | .382 | .734 |
| 2009 | 19 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 27 | 107 | 97 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 22 | .206 | .280 | .299 | .579 |
| 2010 | 20 | 2 Teams | A+-AA | KCR | 137 | 586 | 520 | 14 | 2 | 59 | 66 | .338 | .406 | .571 | .977 |
| 2010 | 20 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 87 | 375 | 325 | 11 | 1 | 44 | 39 | .354 | .429 | .545 | .974 |
| 2010 | 20 | Northwest Arkansas | AA | KCR | 50 | 211 | 195 | 3 | 1 | 15 | 27 | .313 | .365 | .615 | .980 |
| 3 Seasons | 246 | 1035 | 908 | 17 | 4 | 115 | 158 | .298 | .378 | .483 | .861 | ||||
I was wrong and I was right. I was wrong because I blasted the Royals for taking Hosmer over Smoak in the 2008 draft--Smoak is still a good prospect but I think most folks would pick Hosmer now. I was right because Hosmer had a snake-bitten 2009 and I predicted he would bounce back in 2010--and he surpassed my expectations. First, he went back to where 2009 ended--Wilmington--and expelled the demons of the past by destroying the Carolina League--putting up slightly better numbers at home--William Frawley Stadium--a place that has destroyed the psyche of lesser hitters. He then went to AA where he displayed the "best power in the 2008 draft class" that had been missing up until then. At AA, he hit better at home but still posted an 889 OPS on the road. Hosmer is an above average 1st baseman--but he has a canon for an arm. We heard this offseason for the first time that he has been taking some fly balls in the outfield. It's a really tough call as to whether to move him or not--but I would like to see him try the OF. Hosmer has the ceiling to be one of the elite offensive forces in the league--he should hit for average, get on base and hit for power. He could start at either AA or AAA--I think the Royals would like him to debut in the big leagues in 2012--but he might force the issue this year.
#1 Wil Myers--C/OF--DOB12/10/90
| Year | Age | Tm | Lev | Aff | G | PA | AB | SB | CS | BB | SO | ||||
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| 2009 | 18 | 2 Teams | Rk | KCR | 22 | 96 | 84 | 2 | 0 | 9 | 18 | .369 | .427 | .679 | 1.106 |
| 2009 | 18 | Idaho Falls | Rk | KCR | 18 | 80 | 68 | 2 | 0 | 9 | 15 | .426 | .488 | .735 | 1.223 |
| 2009 | 18 | Burlington | Rk | KCR | 4 | 16 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | .125 | .125 | .438 | .563 |
| 2010 | 19 | 2 Teams | A-A+ | KCR | 126 | 541 | 447 | 12 | 6 | 85 | 94 | .315 | .429 | .506 | .934 |
| 2010 | 19 | Burlington | A | KCR | 68 | 294 | 242 | 10 | 3 | 48 | 55 | .289 | .408 | .500 | .908 |
| 2010 | 19 | Wilmington | A+ | KCR | 58 | 247 | 205 | 2 | 3 | 37 | 39 | .346 | .453 | .512 | .966 |
| 2 Seasons | 148 | 637 | 531 | 14 | 6 | 94 | 112 | .324 | .429 | .533 | .962 | ||||
While Moose and Hoz exercised demons in 2010--Wil Myers simply excelled. There were rumors that the Royals might take Myers with the #12 overall pick in the 2009 draft--I was dead set against it--it turns out he was available (because of his price tag) with the 3rd Round Pick. It also turns out he was more than worthy of that #12 pick. His first month at Burlington the numbers were not great--part of that was due to some bad luck and his BB/ K rate was not good. But then he really turned it on, hitting for average/power and walking more than he struck out. He was a bit overshadowed in the Midwest League by Mike Trout. I think Trout is a great prospect--and I would rank him slightly higher than Myers--but I think the gap between them is smaller than most people think.
Midwest League numbers
Trout 12.6% BB 14% K .165 ISP 978 OPS
Myers 14.9% BB 16.1%K .164 ISP 908 OPS
They were both promoted to High-A. Myers to the pitching friendly Carolina League and Trout to the hitting friendly California League. Trout--785 OPS, Myers--957 OPS. Again, I get it--Trout plays a plus CF, there are big questions if Myers will stay at C--and Trout is 8 months younger. I just think Myers is a tad underrated. At this point I actually am hoping he'll end up in RF. I think he'll get more at-bats and simply based on the fact that he's a pretty good athlete, I think he could be an asset on defense out there. Myers will hit for average and could very well be among the league leaders in OBP. He may not hit 40+ HRs but I could see him hitting 20-25 (Moose's ISP in the Midwest League was .196 just for comparison). Put it all together and I think he can rack up some big WAR numbers. For 2011, he could go back to the Carolina League or they could bump him up to AA. If they move him to RF, I could see him starting at AA.
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WHY DO YOU NEED THE EXTRA "L"????
IT’S COMPLETELY SUPERFLUOUS!!! YOU’RE JUST WASTING LETTERS!!1
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 12, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This is why I hate llamas
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 12, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
but do you like llamas named
Dolly?
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by BlueEyes_Austin on Jan 12, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'd put Hosmer at #1...but I think the fact that Moose is a clear, clear #3 is jaw-dropping.
Killing time until time kills me
Myers is my #1 as well
And I agree with you on the margin between him and Trout.
Moose still scares the hell out of me with that OBA and home/road split. I hope I’m wrong. No doubt he has power and I guess he could still be productive as a Gary Gaetti-type player.
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The walk rate is what scares me the most.
I really think we have Frenchy 2 on the way up.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 11, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
I have just seen too many players with no plate discipline fail in a year or two once pitchers catch on that the will swing at anything.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 11, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Moose may fail but I don't see the similarities to Frenchy
Frenchy AA Age:21 5.7 BB% 20.7 K% .212 ISP
Moose AA Age: 21 8.7 BB% 14.7 K% .340 ISP
and the scouting reports are different—Frenchy has a long swing—and part of the beauty of Moose is that his swing is so short and compact—and yet generates so much power. Moose may not walk a ton but I don’t think he’s going to strike out a ton—and the power will be very big.
The mention of "Mark Quinn" in the scouting report is an ominous sign.
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 11, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
as long as they don't practice their ninja skills around plate glass doors
we should be ok
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
The only rational fear is that
it is SO GOOD that it will circle all the way around again and become bad.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Frenchy for all his swings can’t make contact at the same rate Moose can. He doesn’t have Mikes strength and power either. Mike has very little load and can keep his hands back in his swing and the plane is so flat that you aren’t going to fool him much. He also makes good adjustments game to game adjustments at bat to at bat but once he gets workin with video I think he’ll be solid. The player I saw in the first 20 games at AAA compared to the last 10 was night and day difference. He started to work counts and was crushing what he swung at. This kid is going to pepper the fountain and right centerfield wall. Can’t wait to watch him at Omaha and KC this year.
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I'm just scared because doesn't the K hold back homers to right?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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For walk rates, you have to remove the IBB rate
It is not good to have a BB% less than 6% before entering the majors, the values are only going to get worse. He has plenty of power and sweet swing, but if he is hacking at everything, it may not matter.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
don't rec back in anger
I heard you say
by Freneau on Jan 12, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it's definitely a concern with Moose that I don't have with Hosmer or Myers
I’d rank my concerns with Moose like this:
1. Walks
2. Can he stick at third (if he can’t, the expectations for his bat increase considerably)
107. Home/Road splits in AA (okay, a little exaggerated, but home/road splits are overused waaay too much in general)
Still, there’s a lot we don’t know about player development at very young ages and in the minors. We do know that on average, walk rates increase throughout a player’s career. And Moose is still very young. And while the Frenchy parallel is pretty funny and not entirely comedic (nothing says “Dayton’s guy” like power, low walk rates, a good arm, poor range, and a reputation for “leadership.”), Frenchy never put up a monster power season like Moustakas did this year at both AA and AAA. Another (rough) comparison might be Ryan Braun (who bats from the other side): guy who had to move off of third base because of defensive problems, doesn’t walk all that much (although, to be fair, he does so more than Moose), great power combined with good K rates.
Who knows, I’m no expert on this stuff. It will be interesting (and hopefully a lot of fun) to watch when he comes up. I’m optimistic at this point about his bat. Doesn’t mean I’m going to stop making Olive Garden jokes, though.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 12, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe you didn't get the memo
leadership
Moose is going to not only turn himself into an all-star, but also turn Frenchy into one.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we get Trout for Soria.
Great list. These were always fun to read.
I wonder if anyone will recognize this as the best farm system
It seems pretty good. Top 15 at least.
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Really?
But does it have depth?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 11, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone knows that they are the key.
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 13, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I keep going back and forth in my mind on the ceiling of Moustakas
I love the flat plane swing that stays in the the zone like his does and he hits the ball so hard I could see him having a .320 type BA but with his plate discipline I could see him hitting .270.
I no longer recognize Balboni as the record holder without an asterisk. Gary Gaetti and his 35 HR in 144 Royal games is my record holder. Moustakas will break both records within 3 years if he is what I expect him to be.
Worried a tad on the forearm of Montgomery, Jordan Walden of the Angels had the same type of thing didn’t need surgery and had to be moved to the pen. His might have been in the elbow can’t remember. I also wouldn’t be shocked if Dwyer turned out the best of the group. Already has the best curve and that low to mid 90s heater. Although Lamb and Duffy could become four pitch pitchers if they start using their sliders.
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Balboni's 36 came in 161 Royal games he played in 160 of them
Gaetti hit 35 in 1995 in 144 Royal games 137 of which he played in according to baseball reference.
Gary Gaetti Royal HR King !
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just kiddin
ya the only thing Balboni was poppin in his body was pepperoni pizza
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Gaetti was a Bearcat
So he has that going for him. I was really starting to follow baseball around the Gaetti era. Remember those ’95 Royals well…
Mayne-Lockhart-Gagne-Gaetti in the infield, David Howard starring as the Spork, Vince Coleman, Goodwin, Nunnally, and young Damon and Michael Tucker in the OF. Gubicza, Appier, Gordon still in the rotation, Pichardo and Monty in the bullpen.
Well, he’s certainly below average defensively. In short, it would take a lot of work for him to become a decent defensive catcher. And the conventional wisdom is that the kind of work and focus it would take for a guy to make that kind of defensive improvement at a challenging, complicated position like catcher may very well detract from his development as a hitter, which is his true strength as a player. So the argument is that he’ll develop into a better overall player if he moves to another position.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 11, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention that he's a good enough hitter that he could be in the bigs a lot sooner
if he doesn’t have to learn catcher.
That's what I've been saying
Let him hone his catching skills over time. Put him on the Joe Mauer plan also limits the amount of wear-and-tear that being a full-time catcher would cause.
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
This is indeed conventional wisdom
yet it doesn’t seem to have held for Posey, who seems to have become a good catcher in the minor leagues while also developing as a hitter.
Maybe I'm wrong
but I don’t remember as many people saying Posey would need to move off of catcher as currently are for Myers.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 13, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
You're not wrong
and neither is your sentence terrible. (I can write worse ones — just give me one of them gadgets and I’ll show you.)
I was just responding to NY’s comment about how common it is for catchers simultaneously to become “decent” receivers while developing as hitters. While Posey wasn’t widely considered as a candidate to move, he was widely thought to require substantial improvement to become ready for the majors.
I've alswo heard rumors he doesn't want to stay there
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i don't really know if we would want a rookie catcher to be catching all the talented rookie pitchers
there is something to a catcher who is familiar with the players in the league and one who has to play catch up. i would like to see him stay at catcher but with his hitting ability and the royals plans of contention in the next 2-4 years i don’t see him sticking there.
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
this is how we end up with jason kendall
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 11, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought it was because we did something really bad and this was our punishment
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
by buddyball on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Salvador Perez is going to be good and KC really should want him as the catcher from
what I’ve heard from Schaum and Hamrahi. I’ve seen him play and was impressed with his defensive skills for a young guy but from what Schaum and Hamrahi say he is a class act and quite the game caller.
I think he is going to fill out add some weight and provide some decent pop and solid defense behind the plate for the young KC staff. He probably will never be a high average or high on base guy but definitely possess enough skill with the bat to hang as a ML catcher.
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Is this the catching prospect we have to look forward to?
With Myers likely being promoted to RF to get a better look in the bigs more quickly, I’m curious who I should be watching to be our future catcher. I love Brayan Pena, but honestly don’t believe the guy will ever hack it as a full time starting catcher.
As long as catching is on my mind…who the heck is Lucas May and what should we expect from him?
OT when did the 80s haircut comeback for african americans? I love it reminds me of Fresh Prince and Kid N Play
The good ole days of rap when I listened to it.
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To be honest
I love it. It makes me want to french roll my jeans.
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we always called it "tight roll"
but maybe it was renamed that at the onset of the gulf war
batter nine you sucky
Also called "pegged"
and yes I did
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 13, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Were you rolling with the penny loafers also?
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Jan 13, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
hmmm...I wish
This is more like it – these could have been my feet in 1991 (I had big feet for a 5th grader). Though the shoes would have had to come from Marshall’s (or Venture, if that was still around!).
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 13, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
A case can be made for rating Dwyer above
both Montgomery and Lamb. Just looking at the peripherals, one might put him ahead. Looking at the scouting report (possibly 3 above avg pitches?), one might put him ahead.
I’d say those three lefties are all pretty close to each other, potential-wise, at this point.
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Did Odorizzi and Jeffress make the top 60?
Or could they not be slotted in because the list was made before the trade? If that is the case, where would you put them, nwroyal? Looks like Sickels and Goldstein would both put them in the Royals top 10, which is pretty high praise. Not sure yet where BA would put them, but likely in that vicinity.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 12, 2011 12:55 AM EST reply actions
Odorizzi made the previous list
I think he was number 7 or 8… too lazy to go back and look.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 12, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Odorizzi #8 and Jeffress #16
I like nwroyal’s ranking on both. I don’t understand why people like Sickels are so high on Jeffress (I think he has him at #8 on the Royals list right behind Odorizzi). He loves Jeffress’s upside potential. I assume he can’t mean his potential as a starter, so it has to be a reliever. And then Sickels must be thinking potential dominant closer and also values a dominant closer very highly. While I think Odorizzi has a decent shot at becoming a #3 SP, I think Jeffress is more likely to become a Robinson Tejeda-type pretty good setup man.
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 12, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like it's pretty hard to be around Jeffress without getting high
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 12, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
He's pretty much MLB ready
I would guess that is why many are so high on him. Plus there is a small chance he becomes Bobby Jenks, who was decent at his peak.
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Yes, that is it.
Being a near certainty (as it goes in MLB, anyways) is worth a lot for Sickels.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait
Who the fuck is Mike Moustakas?
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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 12, 2011 4:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
NICE LIST
I like Lamb a little better than Montgomery right now, but I think both of them have front of the rotation stuff. I like the order of Myers, Hosmer, and Moustakas. Moustakas and Hosmer should be on the corners in AAA to start the year. And I could really see them both making appearances in KC by midseason. Hosmer is the more advanced bat at a less demanding position. If Kila or Butler are moved or Kila is just not performing by mid season, I could see Hosmer taking over at 1B. Myers should be in AA playing C 2 days a week, RF 2 days a week, and DH for a break. I think his bat will be even better than Hosmer’s by the end of 2011.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 12, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions
Lamb
Word from Schaum, I thought, last year was that Lamb, per Royals rules, was not allowed to use his slider until AA, which apparently was already a well developed pitch for him. Depending on the quality of that pitch and his amazing control, I can see that making him have a really high upside.
yup
I think (correct me if I’m wrong, anyone) that it’s pretty common for teams to keep pitching prospects from using sliders (maybe other pitchers) prior to AA.
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 12, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
no Blurnsball until at least High A
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 12, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
I may be by myself on this but..
I think a healthy Montgomery is still our #1 prospect, all he does is dominate every level he has been to. Of course him being injuried is a problem but still. That is just my opinion.
I don't think it's anything against Monty
It’s just the top 3 hitters are so good. Hitting prospects turn out better than pitching prospects a lot more often, and so while the ceiling is probably just as high for Monty, the likelihood he reaches that is not as good as the hitters.
Top 6
The Royals top 6 or 7 players could probably be #1 prospects in a few organizations. And I have seen our top 6 or 7 in about 30 different orders. They are all that good, and that closely compared. The top can be flip flopped depending on if you like pitching prospects or hitting prospects better.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 12, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
See i think it is almost more likely Monty reaches it.
He has consistently dominated every level at a younger age so barring injury what is to stop him? I don’t fully know the success rate of pitchers compared to hitters but i just have that feeling about him.
injury rates are pretty high
and with the hitters, moose has been very good at 3/4 levels and had a very good pedigree. hosmer was great as soon as he was healthy and got his vision fixed. myers has done nothing but destroy tough hitters leagues. I’d say they all 3 have as high or higher ceiling than monty with much less of a chance to flame out. I also like Lamb more than Monty simpy due to injury concerns.
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 12, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Lamb
Has done almost the same thing Monty has done with no major injuries. He fizzled out at the end in AA, but I think that had more to do with doubling his innings than anything. Lamb, Monty, Dwyer to start in AA next year, but could all be in AAA by midseason.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 12, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Also Jon Sickels likes Dan Duffy the best.
It is very exciting to hear everyone with their different opinions because they are mainly positive. Even if only 2 of them live up to their potential i will be happy. Can’t wait for the year to start. Hopefully we see Duffy next year. Also past our top 4 guys we still have a lot of talent to be excited about some are ways away. I mean Ordizzio, Melville,Crow and Argulles could end up being the best 4 pitchers out of everyone. It is great to have depth.
Even if one or two fail as starters
We should have a stock of LOOGYs!
"Monty isn't a lefty specialist"
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 12, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
It is hereby decreed:
Chris Dwyer=“The Unicorn”
For some reason that made me laugh out loud. Unicorns are quite rare. But are they rare enough to capture the rarity of the draft eligible freshman?
Great work, nwroyal
This is a great resource. Thanks for doing all the work.
A couple observations/questions: 1) Just look at the Wilmington lines from Montgomery and Lamb. Insane. 2) What’s Myers’s power ceiling look like? I know it doesn’t approach Moose’s but is he a player who could add bulk and become a 35 HR guy? If not, dammit, why not?
ehhh....i'll be surprised if the power doesnt continue to increase....
although, that new stadium up there might do funny things….i think it was like half way through the year before he hit his firs home run at home
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 12, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Myers hit 10 or so in low A.
And was on pace for about 25-30, when he went on a drought for a while in Wilm. Without being an expert, I would guess his ceiling is 30-35, but he’ll consistently get into the 20s. He’s also very young, so he’s likely to develop more power over the next few years. When he was drafted his comp was Dale Murphy. Just saying. Hosmer’s was Casey Kotchman. Just saying.
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If we’re going to move Myers off C, why not try CF? I hear a lot about his athleticism, and it would preserve most of his positional value. We could fill the COFs much more easily, and Myers could always move once we find a better fit for CF.
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by philofthenorth on Jan 13, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
A real issue for me
is that when he was drafted everyone said “he can play CF”. Now suddenly no one wants to try. What’s that about? DM’s CF prototype? So, anyway, yeah we agree on that.
I thought that too.
Maybe he’s starting to fill out. Though I saw him at Futures Night and he didn’t seem like he was too big for that.
Does he really have that kind of speed?
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 13, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently not "Dayton Moore Prototype Centerfielder" (TM) speed
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 13, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
It’s just that if he’s been a catcher, I doubt he really has sufficient speed to play CF. Now I may be wrong. I remember Willie Wilson was a catcher at some level (HS?).
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by Scott McKinney on Jan 13, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think Bo was
I remember him saying he loved catching
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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 13, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
What an incredible waste of athletic ability that would have been
Although I suppose NO ONE would have EVER tried to steal on Bo.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 13, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
and MITCH!
played catcher and still had plenty of speed
(I noticed I’m talking about him in the past tense as if he’s already gone. Welcome to Boston, MITCH!)
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 13, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
boston has multiple 4th OFs better than mitch
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 13, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
indeed
myers is already about as big as mitch isnt he?…at 19?…werth’s a big dude and former catcher as well
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 13, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just thinking underpriced, yet talented spare part
that Allard Baird knows about. No idea what Boston’s roster looks like.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 13, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
When he was originally drafted there were some that believed he could do that.
He thickened up in the legs though and from what I’ve seen his speed isn’t that of a CF. Now I don’t know how he sees the ball off the bat but his straight speed doesn’t appear that of a Center fielder. Has a strong arm also so RF appears to be the destination.
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I thought that was Hosmers? Wil is going to have to move to left.
Got to make room for Montero.
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The Hos can play 2B,
just like Teahen
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
there's really no reason to
unless montero shows up or kila miraculously becomes awesome
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by billybeingbilly on Jan 14, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
By the time
that happened, Butler would be gone probably.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 14, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions

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