Should Melky Cabrera Be The Royals' Centerfielder?
In his latest piece on the team site, Dick Kaegel referred to Melky Cabrera as the starting CF for 2011. While it wasn't a direct report per se, Kaegel is as well-connected as anyone. I've thought little about Cabrera since he was signed, perhaps simply because it is easier to go on living without thinking about the Royal outfield that much. I suppose it is likely that Cabrera will get the bulk of playing time in CF, as he likely signed with the Royals on some kind of promise to have the job, and well, he's famous and established. From the beginning of his tenure as the Royals GM, Dayton Moore has been perpetually unsatisfied with the club's internal options in Center, which has led to a stunning number of CF acquisitions: Joey Gathright, Coco Crisp, Dick Ankiel, Brian Anderson, the other Anderson dude, Ryan Freel, Gregor Blanco, etc.
Make no mistake, none of the possible CFs for the 2011 look to be very good. However, there's also no real evidence that Melky Cabrera is any better than Gregor Blanco or even the hated Mitch Maier. He's just named Melky Cabrera and is still somewhat famous. Lets go:
Melky Cabrera - Last 3 seasons: .260/.319/.372 (1502 PAs); Vague Defensive Assessment: slightly below average
Cabrera has been around forever, although he'll only be 26 in 2011. That's just about where the positives end. Cabrera's numbers haven't been the same since 2006, an astoundingly long time ago in professional sports. Neither Total Zone or UZR is terribly high on Cabrera's work in CF, though he's not a disaster out there. By all accounts, he's just a guy out there with the glove. Cabrera's big edge on the other Royal CFs is that he might hit 8 or 9 HRs over the course of the season. So yay!
Gregor Blanco - MLB career: .258/.358/.324; Vague Defensive Assessment: average
I hated Blanco when he arrived from Atlanta... or at least, was prepared to hate him. However, guys who do their damndest to get on base always win me over. Blanco has almost no ability to hit the ball hard. He has no power and can barely even manage a line drive. Still, he's shown some reliability when it comes to getting on base, and at the MLB level has posted a respectable .358 OBP. That's like .400 for a Royal, and is clearly the best that any CF might manage. There's nothing too noteworthy about him in the defensive metrics. He's probably a little better than Melky. Let's vaguely call him average. Blanco's a surprisingly viable option as a stopgap CF.
Mitch Maier - Last 3 seasons: .257/.331/.350; Vague Defensive Assessment: just below average
After becoming a MITCH! advocate in 2009, I was a little disappointed in his 2010. He raised his batting average 20 points and his slugging 40, yet the most important aspect of his game, OBP, stayed exactly the same. Stuck at .333, Maier avoided making a true breakthrough offensively. Maybe it was of his own volition, maybe the Royals were screaming at him daily to show more power and be more aggressive. Who knows. The defensive metrics hated Maier's work in the corners, yet there's reason to believe he's average in CF. Out of the Maier/Melky/Blanco trio, Maier is the oldest (will be 29 next year). I know the weekly double and the monthly homer mean more to some, but when we're talking about players who are all slugging well under .400 no matter what, I'd just as soon just pay attention to the OBP. I still think Maier has the potential to be a better version of Blanco, but he might not be at the moment.
Jarrod Dyson - Minor League Career: .278/.341/.343; Vague Defensive Assessment: good
There were rumblings this fall that Dyson would likely end up with the CF job in 2011, rumblings apparently dashed by the Cabrera signing. There's nothing in Dyson's minor league profile that suggests he can survive at the Major League level at the plate. That being said, given that he'll be 26 in 2011, is believed to be awesomely fast and great with the glove, and did alright in his cup of coffee in 2010, you could kinda sorta talk yourself into seeing him as decent in 2011. Moreover, he's the devil we don't know. Cabrera's arrival, more than simply directly taking his job, also massively alters the feel of the outfield for Dyson. Is there any reason to carry him as a backup when Blanco and Maier are likely objectively better?
Lorenzo Cain - Minor League Career: .291/.366/.416; Vague Defensive Assessment: good
Cain is a more functioning version of the Dyson prototype. He'll be 25 in 2011 and he's shown more at the plate in the minors. Still, the only difference in their OBPs has been 15 points of BA, which, given everything about the context in which it has occurred, means nothing. Unlike Dyson, he has shown some ability to drive the ball, which should augur well down the line. And, like all these minor league guys, lets just assume he's good defensively. Unless we're talking about getting him seasoning, it's not obvious to me that he's better than the other guys as an option for 2011. In any case, he's likely on the fast track to a spot on the Major League roster.
Derrick Robinson - Minor League Career: .253/.316/.330; Vague Defensive Assessment: good
D-Rob's offensive numbers are the worst of a bad bunch, but he's also the youngest player even in the discussion (I'm including him just because he's on the roster for some reason). Better still, at age 22 in 2010, Robinson had a mini-breakout at AA last season, hitting .286/.345/.380 at Coors Arkansas. With Cain, Dyson, and D-Rob, since we don't really have defensive information on them, there's a tendency to imagine that they are all completely awesome, +20 runs allowed guys with the glove. Rarely however, does it turn out like that.
So here we are. Cabrera's contract wasn't terrible, at just over $1 million, yet his apparent ascendancy to the starting CF job is depressing, because it continues to appear mostly pointless. Players like Maier and Blanco aren't impossible to improve upon, but Dayton Moore is making it look so. There's just nothing being accomplished here, other than Cabrera getting one last chance to save his career, on the Royals' dime. As a fan, I just have a hard time caring. If Cabrera hits well, he'll sign elsewhere. If he sucks, we were the last group of fans to suffer it. I cant wait to get his autograph at FanFest!
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I'd have a CF Depth chart of
Cain
Blanco
Mitch
I’m guessing none of those guys get the opening day gig. Royals baseball rox!
I imagine that Cain
will start the season in Omaha simply for service clock reasons.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Might as well save the option for later
And send him down when DM wants to convert him to a left fielder
Politics
Moore’s already said something about this situation, the jist of which is that when he signed Cabrera he wasn’t sure he’d be able to get Cain. Cabrera was likely promised a starting gig in center during negotiations, so that’s what he’s going to get, at least for awhile. Long term the Royals get hurt more my a reputation they break those kind of gentleman’s agreements than any difference between Cabrera and someone else. Also, if Cabrera turns it around we control him for next year.
If he turns it around
There’s no way he isn’t flipped at the trading deadline
by Narghile on Jan 2, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
duh. Like everyone else.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Lorenzo Cain
He is major league ready right now. Fuck Melky, this should be Cain’s job. He already has over 2500 plate appearances in the minors. He was going to be the Brewers everyday starter. I’m starting to hate the Melky signing now more than the fucking Francoeur one.
He's probably as ready as he's ever going to be
The immoderate moderator
by Scott McKinney on Jan 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
What is your basis that he isn't ready?
He played 43 games last season in the majors and will be 25 years old right around opening day. I could see them keeping him in Omaha to delay his clock but that is a money issue more than a financial one.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
team control issue more than a ability issue.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
He's only had 100 at bats at AAA, and 147 in the ML
I don’t think a half-season in Omaha would hurt him at all, but I’m not terribly sure it would help him either.
Part of that comes from the fact that I’m not completely sold on the idea that you can rush a hitter. Of course, AGor tempts me to re-think that.
batter nine you sucky
It's essentially a 4-way tie
between Cabrera, Blanco, Maier and Cain for expected 2011 production. Cain still has options and will likely take the role in the future after a little more time in the minors. Between the other three, I say give one a month to see how he does, and if he sucks, pick the next one. In my opinion, you might as well sign with Cabrera since it’s bad policy to sign a FA telling him you’ll play him and then let him ride the bench. If/when he sucks, move down the chain. It’ll be a long year, and there’s plenty of time for all 3 to show they suck.
I don't think how the Royals treat Melky is going to influence anyone's opinion in the future as far as signing here.
If the team wins games, people will sign.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on Jan 2, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If Cabrera hits well, he’ll sign elsewhere. If he sucks, we were the last group of fans to suffer it.
Moore is just doing what he’s always done which is try to acquire as many prospects as possible and one of his favorite ways of doing that is to sign a guy for a short contract who has a chance to be worth something at the deadline. He’ll try to turn Melky into a C prospect and then Cain will get the rest of the time.
If Frenchy bounces back though, I don’t know if he’ll be able to trade him away. He’ll probably give him an extension.
Mitch doesn’t make the roster. I was a fan, but he just hasn’t performed well enough to make the team.
A Frogger Leap
Forward, not a bounceback, would be necessary to make him an acceptable RF. His best full MLB season resulted in a .792 OPS, and I’ve read his defense has deteriorated and his arm, though strong, is wildly erratic.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Cain
Cain was involved in the Greinke trade to be the starting CF in 2011. Cain has nothing else to prove in the minors. I really think the defense will be a plus for the Royals this year. With Escobar, Getz/Aviles, and Cain up the middle. The pitching will need the added defense, lets just hope they can keep the ball in the park. And I think the offense is actually better than 2010 also. There is some potential power with Kila, Butler, Gordon, Francoeur, and Moustakas.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 2, 2011 2:05 PM EST reply actions
Wouldn't it be nice
If the CF job was actually given off performance in ST, instead of Moore cronyism from DM. Melky was a former Brave and promised the job ala Ankiel- so he is the guy until the trade deadline at the earliest.
Sadly, we know that no matter how bad he plays, Melky is the guy. Seen this time and time again in Moores administration. From TPJ to Betancourt, on field performance means nothing if you’re one of Daytons guys.
by DaytonSucks on Jan 2, 2011 2:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Will
In fairness to DM, he does eventually get rid of the bad players. My criticism is a) should never have gotten them in the first place b) takes to long to admit the mistake. TPJ is a perfect example.
by DaytonSucks on Jan 2, 2011 4:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah he is a former Brave, defiitely cronyism from the years they spent together in Atlanta. Wait, what? They weren’t there together?
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by keyboardwarrior on Jan 3, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
TPJ?
Did you really want to see TPJ playing SS everyday? Is that a joke? You make a pretty good point, but not with TPJ. The Betancourt trade was a bad move, but there was no telling if Aviles would come back in 2010.
by royal_in_cincinnati on Jan 2, 2011 2:26 PM EST reply actions
TPJ
Was maybe the worst example of DM sticking with his guy entirely too long. It took a historcAlly bad performance for DM to finally cry uncle on TPJ.
My point is that if you are one of Daytons guys, you get to play- no matter how poor you perform. Hence the TPJ reference. In no way was I defending TPJ who in my opinion was the worst player in baseball during his tenure and one of the worst players to ever wear a Royals uniform.
by DaytonSucks on Jan 2, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They could have known
Aviles would never play again and the Yuni trade would still have been appalling.
You don’t trade for the worst everyday player in baseball, period.
Exactly
Interestingly Moore tends to gravitate towards players with that profile. TPJ, Yuni, Mendoza, Ankiel, Guillen, Yabuta, Freel, Bloomquist, Jacobs….etc. It’s like DM was sent from he’ll as punishment for game 6 in 1985. Maybe we should sacrifice a chicken.
by DaytonSucks on Jan 2, 2011 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It probably starts Gordon-Melky-Frenchy
All three could easily suck ass as Gordon is as suspect as the other two are. Melky and Frenchy suck this is true but Gordon is in for the quick hook just as easily because he probably cost more than Melky.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see a OF of Lough-Dyson-Cain after the All Star game.
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
It's Not Really
Cool to have a #2 overall pick who has had some MLB success fail. The other two are just minor mistakes, and I wouldn’t mind seeing them go.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW, I'd rather see Gordon/Cain/Lough
but I think Gordon’s done. Have you seen anything in the last two years that we could even call maintaining his 08 success? Aside from him guaranteeing dominance, I mean.
I want to be wrong, but I don’t think so. Injury prone, doesn’t adjust, and out of position; doesn’t sound like a recipe for domination to me.
Melky
I’m ok giving Melky a shot—I actually think it was a great gamble to take.
one correction, I think Melky has another year of team control—so if he has a great season, he’ll be eligible for arbitration—which makes the deal even better.
I Thought He
Received the usual GMDM mutual option.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
No, he doesn’t have enough service time to qualify for free agency after 2011.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Jan 3, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Does anyone here agree that Alex Gordon is done in KC?
I think he’s going back to Omaha until a trade can be found. The Royals have so many outfielders right now, and Gordon as been a complete mystery.
Cabrera LF
Aviles 3B
Butler 1B/DH
Ka’aihue 1B/DH – Betemit
Francoeur RF
Pena C
Escobar SS
Getz 2B
Cain CF
id be absolutely shocked if gordon doesnt get a legitimate shot this season....
otherwise i think he’d be gone already
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Jan 2, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
the Royals should give him at least two or three months of solid playing time
they’ve got nothing to lose
there’s no guarantee he’ll blow up or anything, but that’s what they should do given that 2011 is a lost saeasn
As I Said
Above, he is the biggest investment of any OF on the current MLB roster. If he’s traded at his low ebb of value or not given at least to the ASB to get it going, Moore is a Mooron.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
If Gordon is on the roster he'll start
Maier or Blanco are the odd men out
Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com
Dump Gordon. Put Cabrera in Right, Frenchy in Left and Cain in Center.
Gordon, Maier and Blanco for depth. Even though they’re all just as good as the starters.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Except for Gordon that is.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
I sure as hell do. Screw him. He's had plenty of chances to hit.
He’s just not a major league hitter.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
He was in 2008
When he was healthy and playing his natural position. .260/.351/.783 is a disappointment compared to the hype surrounding the college player of the year, but it’s a line the Royals should certainly welcome in the lineup at this point.
He Was About
The same in ‘07 from 6/1 forward. He sustained that performance for about 900 MLB PA’s at ages 23/24.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 2, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
And I meant
.260/.351/.432 of course. Bill James projections have Alex at the third best OBP on the team (behind Billy & Kila) and 2nd best SLG behind Billy. Of course, he’s projecting a .811 OPS, which would be a big step forward.
If he OPSes an 811
I will glad retract my “Alex Gordon is to stupid to be good at baseball” comments.
Hell, if he gets back to 780 I’ll eat my words. Happily.
meh. Gordon sucks.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
It's time for the coaches to decide
if he’ll ever cut it or not. If so, play him every day. If not, we need to move him now, while someone may still consider him a prospect, or be forever screwed.
Otis Nixon is a FA
Former Brave, toolsy, Dayton type….
by DaytonSucks on Jan 2, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I Think We Control Melky for Two Years
I read somewhere that since Melky is arbitration eligible at the end of this season, the Royals effectively could control him for another year. Now, I doubt that they should do that, or that Melky will have a good year, but it helps the signing make a little possible sense. I would put Cain in by June 15 and see what happens.
by Kansas City Oracle on Jan 2, 2011 9:57 PM EST reply actions
yes, that might be a possibility
although, I have a hard time seeing the royals wanting to go to arb unless he becomes Barry Bonds
we’ll see
Wouldn't his arb salary be based on his 2011 salary?
If he’s at $1M this year, I couldn’t imagine him shooting up too high with just one (hypothetical) good year in the last 4.
The Upshot Of
This whole thing is that Moore made several moves and spent money and talent without, in all likelyhood, improving the OF situation. I’m including the DDJ trade here. DDJ, Blanco/Maier and Gordon were at least as good as, and almost certainly better than our current OF options. Oh, yeah, we got Vin and some MiLB dude, too.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
A Lot Moreso
Tha Vinny will probably ever make the rotation.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Jan 3, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
GREGOR SLAMSA IN 2011!
Also, might this years plastic cup motto be “2011, 1 Year Closer to 2012!”
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jan 3, 2011 12:17 AM EST reply actions
The Royals' motto should just read "Three Years from Contention"
Then they wouldn’t even have to worry about ordering new cups each year, as these would last forever.
batter nine you sucky
by marbotty on Jan 3, 2011 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What a clusterfuck
My 2011 depth chart:
Blanco
Maier
Cabrera
What Moore will probably do:
Cabrera
Blanco
Maier
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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jan 3, 2011 7:54 AM EST reply actions
Another depressing winter topic
To me, I rank the CFs as follows:
1) Cain
2) Blanco
3) Cabrera
4) Maier
5) Dyson
So I fully expect Melky to get the nod, with Cain inexplicably in AAA, because “we want him to play every day…”
Heh – it’s the Royals. WHEN IN DOUBT, EXPECT THE ILLOGICAL.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
by loyal2sdad on Jan 3, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's not like Cain has a lot of AAA experience
It’s not inexplicable to have a player you expect to be with the team for years into the future to be kept more cost friendly in the future
He's 25 already, and looking at last year
he was certainly not overwhelmed at the big league level. My opinion is that it would serve him better (and he will develop quicker) by facing major league pitching at this point than by facing minor league pitching.
I’d trust the Royals development staff on this – but can we really trust them? They brought Butler up at the right time, but arguably brought Gordon up too early. They arguably left Kila and Aviles in the minors too long. Have they earned your trust? Because they have yet to earn mine.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
No offense, but I trust them more than my own opinions
Or those or people I read on blogs
There is no way to know that he would develop better at the major league level, or if 3 months in AAA would hurt his development. But it is known that keeping him in AAA will make his future more team friendly from a cost perspective.
Who cares who is ranked 3rd 4th or 5th?
When would they ever play.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
It's not like the difference between Maier, Blanco, and Cabrera is so vastly different that it will hardly make a difference in 2011
Why the big deal over this? Why does it really matter if Blanco, Maier, or Cabrera play CF this year? None of them are the CF of the future, we’ve already invested in Cabrera so it’s a sunk cost (leaving aside if he should have been signed in the first place). None of the three appear to be vastly better than the others.
Cain is likely the CF of the future (or DRob or Dyson, who will both be in the minors next year anyway). It is not likely to be Blanco, Cabrera, or MITCH. With everyone making such a big deal about 2011 not mattering, why does everyone suddenly care so much about with mediocre-below average-shitty centerfielder will garner the most playing time? And why are people there lots of people advocating that Cain be the starting CFer, when so many people wish the Royals would just punt 2011?
because
playing Cain in 2011 advances his development, so he is potentially a better player in 2012 – 2015, when it will matter.
It’s called the player development curve – and if he is ready for the majors, they might as well let him start on it now.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
So why should Moose be in AAA in 2011?
Or Hosmer? Or any other prospect for that matter? If people advance development better in the majors, why even send a prospect to AAA?
It’s called dollar bills. The Royals dont have a lot of them.
Plus, prospects do advance and develop in the minor leagues
And itt’s not exactly clear cut that Cain is “ready for the majors”
Again, I don't think the Royals are basing their decisions entirely on cost control
They didn’t in the Gordon case, but they perhaps did with Butler. They also left Kila and Aviles in the minors longer than necessary.
I think they promote when they think a guy is ready – but do we trust that they really are good at knowing that? They have not earned my trust, sorry.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
They also have their credibility on the line
If they tell a free agent they will play, and then don’t let them play, why would a free agent come here in the future? Even if they aren’t doing things for the right reason, or use another excuse publicly, having Cain in the minors WILL make him a better asset in the long run.
I dont remember Aviles being in the minors too long. He wasn’t ever a good prospect, he simply started hitting in the majors. Unless you are referring to last year when he was still likely recovering from surgery.
Cabrera
Moore is an idiot if he promises guys playing time. If you can’t get Cabrera to sign here without that, I’d just as soon he stayed “in house” with Maier for another season.
Besides, if Moore had an inkling he was going to trade Greinke (and apparently he did), and he had a concept of getting back a ML ready SS and CF (which was reported), then he really jumped the gun by signing Cabrera.
To be clear, I have no problem with Cabrera signing for $1m. That’s not a horrible signing. But if they promised him a starting job, I have a BIG problem with that. That’s just bad business.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
You don't think promising a guy that has had two almost average seasons (out of five) a starting job is worse?
If they tell a free agent they will play, and then don’t let them play, why would a free agent come here in the future?
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I'm not talking about the specific case of Melky
But the possibility of signing free agents in the future. I don’t think it was necessary to sign him, but if we promised him a job I dont think it looks good for the Royals to not give him a shot
There's a huge difference between handing over everyday duties and giving a guy a shot.
Both Melky and Franceour appear to have already “earned” their everyday roles before spring training. If they were clearly better than alternatives, that’d be fine. But they’re not.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I just dont think that is how free agency works
How many free agents are signed and told they have a shot of being an everyday player? It’s not like these are minor league contracts, which is what I would say is telling a player they will be given a shot to be a starter.
I think that's exactly how it works for most ogranizations and guys like Frenchy and Cabrera.
Sure GMDM promising they’d play everyday might have enticed them to sign here over fighting for a spot elsewhere but that doesn’t make it smart for any team to do.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
People ask me what I do in winter when there’s no baseball...Rock Chalk Talk
I think your failing to understand how weak our GM Dayton really is.
Even the players on their last legs in baseball, and their agents are able to steamroll Dayton Moore in negotiating. Tell DM that you’ll sign with a commitment that your guy starts for the entire year…and DM bends and let’s them tell him what to do. The man is just weak…plain and simple.
How do you sign a Melky and then announce right after that he’s the starter with all the talent we potentially have for CF?
No…it has to be pre-negotiated. I mean…who does that?
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Another way to look at this:
I’m pretty sure what Melky brings to the table, and I’m pretty sure, because he has had several seasons worth of big league ABs, that a breakout is not likely. I can’t say the same about Cain at all. 2011 is a lost cause – so give Cain as many ABs as possible to get him closer to a breakout, if one is possible at all.
Basically, no chance of Cabrera, Maier, or Blanco being a signifcant contributor to a future playoff team – but with Cain, at least there is a small chance of that. Playing him in 2011 gets us closer to finding out if that small chance will occur.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
I agree that Cain has much more upside
And I think he is the best out of all possible CFers
Answer me this: Should Mike Moustakas be the opening day 3B?
Most likely, no.
Moustakas is a different case. He is younger, a better prospect, etc. Right or wrong, they may decide to tread more carefully with his development, because of the exponentially higher upside. I suppose if he went ape shit in spring training, they might be tempted – but I really believe they will wait and gain the extra year of team control on him.
Big difference? We’re talking about a 7th year in his prime for Moose vs a 7th year at age 32 or so for Cain.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
by loyal2sdad on Jan 3, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He won't be, but I don't know why not.
"I am a Physicist and a Cosmologist and although I cannot move, and must speak through a computer, in my mind........ I am free". ~Stephen Hawking~
Cain does not really have service time issues, and Melky really should not play CF anymore
Service time should not really be an issue for Cain. He earned about half a season of service time last year, so the Royals already have him under club control for six more years. If he stays in the majors, the half season from 2010 would not be enough to make him a Super Two aribitration eligible after the 2012 season. Unless the Royals keep him in the minors until almost August, Cain would be under club control through the 2016 season and would not be arbitration eligible unil after the 2013 season regardless of when he gets called up in the first half. There may be reasons to keep Cain in the minors to start the year, but service time is not one of them.
The advanced metrics have Melky well below average, and the fan scouting report agrees. A big part of this season is to develop the young pitchers, so the team is better off playing a competent defensive CFer over Melky. And Melky is not a very good bat to begin with — thanks to the never swing at anything approach, Blanco gets enough walks that he might have as much value with the bat as Melky.
My preference would be Cain, Blanco, and then Melky only as an emergency. (I think Maier is behind Blanco will be turned loose absent some spring training injuries).
Maier will be turned loose
then after injuries ravage the outfield and bench during the season, the Royals will trade a PTBNL for Garrett Anderson
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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 3, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anderson might retire though. I'm thinking Mark Kotsay for a good, young reliever.
He brings plus “assets” to the table.
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by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Jan 3, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
If you're trying to persuade the front office...

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 3, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Damn you.
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I don't think
melky cabrera should be the starting CF, let Cain get a shot, since DDJ is gone, what a wasted year
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The thing about Melky
is that he was turned loose by the Yankees AND the Braves. If he had an ounce of potential to help a playoff caliber team, you think both of those teams would have dumped him?
Bottom line is that Melky is number 1....it was promised before the signing.
Cain is number 2….and now we must pray for an injury to Melky.
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Or...they can simply release Melky and eat the money.
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Leave it to DM to sign a CF...just a few days before getting our CF of the
future in the Greinke trade. For a guy who’s supposed to be a “General Manager”…it sure doesn’t seem like he’s managing much. Who would do that on a center field rich team. Trade DDJ, then acquire Melky, then acquire Cain. I mean…I understand dumping DDJ’s salary…but why Melky with Cain coming in? Makes no damn sense.
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And on top of that...to handcuff yourself by promising the starting job? Now he's forced to
start Melky, while the best CF is waiting until next year…..I think they’re going to put Cain in left and send Gordon down because he can’t hit, or platoon him with Betemit at third.
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Bottom line is that Dayton is the king of creating major league positional logjams.
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