The Meaning of the Royals Having the Number One Ranked Farm System

I don’t really know where the dividing line would be for him between success and failure. Three playoff appearances including at least one trip to the ALCS? I don’t know. Just spitballing.

As it looks, he will need to fill just a few holes

If all of the prospects succeed in the majors. Most will fail. That’s what happens. Expecting something radically different to happen for the Royals from what has happened throughout the history of baseball is unrealistic. Many of our prospects will fail. We can’t assume they will fill the vast majority of the team’s holes.

The Frenchy and Francis signings show that our stacked system is making it easier to sign FA’s

Oh please. Those were minor signings for little money. It is always easy for any team to attract such players. Both players chose the Royals in part because the money was probably a little more than others offered and definitely because they were promised full-time starting roles. No other team wanted Frenchy as a full-time starter. He’s a platoon player at best…except with the Royals.

As Goldstein has said, it will be hard to muck this thing up and I for one think that our 1st time GM is growing into the job.

I wish there was any evidence that Dayton Moore and his team can effectively evaluate major league talent and properly value it. So far he’s brought in a ton of very poor major leaguers and paid them much more than they were worth. And while he’s made so ok minor trades, the bigger ones (like the Yuni trade) have been awful. If he trades a big prospect, are you confident that he’s going to bring in the right player in return? You shouldn’t be.

it keeps many people from wanting to invest the time and effort into learning about the extent of the Royals’ current system, how it compares to other teams, and why it is clearly a different situation from those in the past. On the one hand, it’s hard to blame them, but on the other…it is really annoying for those of us who have maintained that level of interest in the team’s development, and for us to have to try to explain the difference to those who don’t really care to hear it.

The Royals shouldn’t do anything different, but many fans just aren’t going to believe it until they see success on the MLB level. Then they’ll have a point of reference and understand how this time (hopefully) it’s different.

As he brought in Glavine, Smoltz and Chipper. But Schuerholz kept it up and running with some very impressive player as well and some shrewd trades, and he kind of did the same thing Dayton did – convinced ownership to loosen the purse strings, allowing the Braves to become one of the biggest spenders in the league.

it’s not like they just had nice seasons while they were there.
I’ve posted this in the past but their stats rank better than
Jake Arrieta, Brian Matusz, Tommy Hansen and Adam Wainwright while being on par with what Greinke did at that level. What does that mean? Not a whole lot but to bag on their outstanding perfromances purely based on it being in the Carolina league is a bit off, their seasons were far from just good there.

Besides that though they are ranked highly based on what scouts saw of their stuff not the results behind it. BA’s JJ Cooper said of Monty’s outing when he was fully healthy-You could watch minor league games every day year after year and never see a better outing.

As for Dwyer he was actually pitching better at NW Arkansas in his few stints there until his small injury sidelined him in his fourth game. Look at the lines in his first 3 games
5 IP 3 H 4 K 2 BB 0ER
6 IP 4 H 8 K 2 BB 1 ER
6 IP 2 H 7 K 2 Bb 1 ER

Lamb struggled in his stint at AA. I don’t know if that was ballpark factors or what but he was also only 19 years old who jumped three levels and was pitching 80 more innings than last year which could both be factors. I was an advocate of shutting him down at the 120 Inning level but that’s me.

You certainly have a valid point about Cox being responsible for bringing in some of those players. And then, as others have pointed out here, Scheurholz did a lot right which led to success for a very long time for that organization. Yes it is easier to maintain success in a medium-sized market than a small market, but don’t know what your point is there. That Moore’s job is harder? Yes. That Schuerholz had an easy job to maintain success for a long time? Certainly not.

Do you see Moustakas and Hosmer signing extensions in KC?

No. Small market teams have huge obstacles to sustained success. This seems to be completely unrelated to what we were talking about. That is, unless you think the Braves are such a huge market, high-revenue team that they are rich enough to keep any and every good player. And that is certainly not the case.

. Montgomery and Duffy only pitched 60 innings each due to various factors

Montgomery pitched 93 innings and Duffy pitched 62. And their performance over that period is not irrelevant. And I hope you know that a big part of the great evaluations they are getting is because their stuff (particularly Duffy’s) improved this year. For example, Duffy increased velocity on his fastball significantly. They both had great years in terms of performance and tools. I kind of think those things are important for evaluating prospects. You don’t?

Lamb/Dwyer owe their current reputations to Wilmington

So no level of performance for a pitcher whose home park is in Wilmington means anything? They absolutely dominated. They were two of the very best pitchers in the Carolina league. That and their stuff/control is very meaningful. Will they be able to pitch well at the higher levels? You never know that about any prospect. Right now they look very good.

You’re basically saying that other than Moustaks, Hosmer and Myers, the rest of these so-called top prospects is just crazy hype. Why would BP, BA, Law and everyone else hype these guys so much? Because they are all horrible prospect analysts? Because they are all wildly pro-Royals and always love Royals prospects? Or maybe, just maybe it is their honest opinion, just as they give their honest opinions on every other prospect. And when they all agree that these guys are very good prospects and you disagree with them, I think you should recognize that you’re very likely in the wrong. Does that mean they will succeed in the majors? No. Most prospects fail. Many of these guys will fail. But saying that the good evaluations of these prospects is just “relentless hype” is just silly. Think there’s a reason these guys are being hyped? Think it has to do with their tools and performance?