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Q & A with Baseball America's JJ Cooper, Part 2



Here is part 2 of our interview with JJ Cooper.  I got my BA Handbook last week (buy it here) and, after having devoured the Royals' section, then had the chance to ask JJ some questions--it was like Christmas.  Thanks to JJ for his time and insight.

 

1.       1. What position is the biggest weakness in the Royals’ system?

The Royals are still pretty thin up the middle, especially at shortstop. The two best shortstop prospects in the system (if you think, like me and most people that Colon will end up at second base) are a) Jeff Bianchi, a player coming off Tommy John surgery who has had four significant injuries in the past six years and b) a pair of Dominican shortstops who have yet to play in the U.S.

Star-divide

 

2.       2. In the Handbook, you mention that a lot of Aaron Crow’s problems last year were mechanical.  Are those issues fixed and should we expect a bounce back year?

The Royals believe that they are in the process of being fixed, but muscle memory is a tough thing to fight. Crow has some mechanical issues in his delivery that he'll have to learn how to work around, as it's hard to completely take away a wrist wrap, but the overthrowing is something Kansas City believes he can put behind him.

3. Yordano Ventura—the stuff sounds great—can he make it as a starter?  What percent chance he goes to Kane County this year?

He has the stuff to be a starter. The big thing with any pitcher like this is can he stay healthy. I remember getting similar reports on Kelvin Herrera a couple of years ago, but durability has proven to be a big problem for him.

4. What can you tell us about Jorge Bonifacio?  Intriguing DSL numbers--is he someone to keep an eye on?

Keep an eye on him, but he's a long ways away. I do like Calixte and Arteaga more.

5. What is the status of Noel Arguelles?  Is he healthy?  We've heard some character concerns--are those valid?  (In addition to JJ's answer, he had a blog post that covered several Royals topics, including Arguelles.  Here is the link)

I'm hoping to get another Arguelles update soon. Last I heard the rehab was going well, but anytime a pitcher gets big money and immediately has to be shut down, it's a bad sign. I've not really heard much bad about Arguelles makeup, but then, almost no one outside of the organization has even seen him since he signed because of the injuries, and you're more likely to hear that kind of stuff from someone outside the org instead of inside the organization. So the best I can answer on that is a sincere I don't know.

6. Any guesses who could be some of the players who will be big risers in the system a year from now?  In a year, is this still a Top 3 farm system?

I'll be very interested to see what Jason Adam does this year. I also wouldn't be shocked at all to see Melville bounce back in 2011. He's still got very good stuff.

 

Finally, just FYI, here is BA's rankings for our top 35 players (I didn't want to retype it, so I just copied the list that AmosOtisFan over at RoyalsCorner posted here:

 

1. Eric Hosmer
2. Wil Myers
3. Mike Moustakas
4. John Lamb
5. Mike Montgomery
6. Christian Colon
7. Danny Duffy
8. Chris Dwyer
9. Aaron Crow
9a. Where Odorizzi would fall according to Jim Callis (ask BA)
10. Brett Eibner
10a. Where Jeffrees would fall according to Callis
11. Jason Adam
12. Yordano Ventura
13. Tim Collins
14. Tim Melville
15. Chelsor Cuthbert
16. Robinson Yambati
17. Salvador Perez
18. Johnny Giavotella
19. Louis Coleman
20. Jarrod Dyson
21. Jeff Bianchi
22. Patrick Keating
23. Huberto Arteaga
24. Orlando Calixte
25. David Lough
26. Derrick Robinson
27. Henry Barrera
28. Clint Robinson
29. Elisaul Pimentel
30. Kelvin Herrera
31. Everett Teaford
32. Lucas May & Buddy Bauman listed in BA article about 32nd players.

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"Where Jeffres would fall/Where Odorrizzi would fall..."

So they’re on the MLB roster? I had no idea….I feel dumb. Suddenly a LOT more interested in 2011!

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

The BA Handbook went to the publishers before the trade

so Odorizzi and Jeffress were listed with the Brewers. Callis said where they would be listed on the Royals list. Jeffress is on the 40 man roster and could make the team out of spring training. Odorizzi doesn’t need to be on the 40 man yet-he will probably play at Wimington in 2011.

by nwroyal on Jan 31, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

actually just realized that’s not the case….just that the Greinke trade was made after this list was.

However, can somebody tell me what rookies/young players new to the team will likely be on the MLB roster come Opening Day?

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

New players on the MLB roster on OD

Francoer
Melky
Mazzaro
Francis

I think that’s basically it.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think it's been said...

although not a new player, Tim Collins is a possibility. And later, Moustakas and Coleman. Teaford’s name I’ve heard… I think that’s minor leaguers we can expect to see this year, right?

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 31, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Duffy at some point if he has a good season in the minors

I don’t know if calling him up would be smart, but he’s on the short list of possibilities for 2011.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Presuming that Cain starts the season in Omaha

then I suppose he would qualify as a minor-leaguer we can expect to see.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 31, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that we can list off several minor league guys that might get a chance this year, who are not named Dusty Hughes, Blake Wood, or Greg Holland is awesome.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 31, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Escobar?

He’s not a strong SS candidate? Would he be average even?

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Escobar is somewhat critical to mission 2012

Another confirmation that middle infield is the biggest concern, prospect-wise, in the organization.

It sure would be exciting if Escobar delivered on the promise he showed in the minors. If he does not, and the bat is poor enough to warrant replacing him, that’s going to cost us a lot, be it via free agent dollars or via trading other prospects.

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by loyal2sdad on Jan 31, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

TPJ2?

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The glove is comparable

The bat as of yet isn’t a million miles better.

In fact: 2007 TPJ > 2010 Escobar

by kcbottom9th on Jan 31, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

You think their defensive abilities are comparable?

I don’t think so. I think every analyst would disagree. There’s a reason TPJ was never a highly thought of prospect and Escobar was a top 20 prospect for two years. Really, any attempt to equate these two players or say that they are really quite similar is nonsensical.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean...

TPJ was never very rangy, and even if you forget the fact that his glove wasn’t that good, he wasn’t getting to those balls that he would have bobbled had he got to them. Oh yeah.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 31, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, 2007 was TPJ's BEST season, while 2010 may well be Escobar's worst

Not exactly a fair comparison.

TPJ’s highest full-season OPS ever was 648 in AA. In every full season, Escobar has had a higher OPS than that (until the majors, when in 2010 it was 614).

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

But

Tony Pena 2007 = 26 years old
Alcides Escobar 2010 = 23 years old

Tony Pena career minor league OPS = .619
Alcides Escobar career minor league OPS = .709

That is fairly significant

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 31, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

And there are a lot of guys who became good MLB SS's who didn't exactly hit well in the minors

Including but not limited to:

Jimmy Rollins .261/.328/.383 (multiple 2+, 3+, 4+, 5+ and a 6+ WAR season)
Orlando Cabrera .266/.329/.397 (multiple 3+ and 4+ WAR seasons)
Royce Clayton .251/.326/.340 (multiple 2+ and a 3+ WAR season)
Jose Valentin .237/.300/.366 (multiple 2+, 3+ and 4+ WAR seasons)
Omar Vizquel .241/.253/.319 (multiple 2+, 3+ and a 6+ WAR season)

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

very interesting. Thanks.

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And for the record, I only think it is interesting too

I don’t want anyone to think that I believe being a good defensive SS who couldn’t hit well in the minors means you are destined to be a good MLB SS. There are lots of good and bad things that could happen for Escobar. It just seems like a lot of people seem to think that a player who was good defensively in the minors but couldn’t hit well at all and was loved by the prospect analysts is probably just going to be a bad player and essentially TPJ-like. That kind of ignores how good defensive SS’s often develop in the minors and majors.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a pronunciation question for Juancho

What is the correct pronunciation of “Alcides”? I’m assuming “all – SEE – days”.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I won't presume to know more than Juancho

But I’m pretty sure you’re missing a syllable on Arteaga. Ar-tay-AH-guh. I think the emphasis would be on the third syllable.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 31, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I considered that

but my assumption was that the “ae” was pronounced as one syllable. This may be because of my complete lack of knowledge of romantic languages though. I’d put money on your version, but we’ll see.

by hawkinscm87 on Jan 31, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

He has gone by several different names

That was part of the big multiple identities controversey with him. I think he’s going by Calixte now.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah my understanding is that Paul Carlixte actually is Orlando Caxito.

The continued use of Carlixte is merged amd incorrect information. I thought the instructionals roster named him as Orlando Caxito.

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I would think Carlixte is

“KAR leet”

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 31, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

or is it

“kar-LEETH-te” ?

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I am less sure about this one, but my guess would be

Carl EEK ste (where the “e” in “ste” sounds like “step”)

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Also not presuming to know more than Juancho, but "all – SEE – days" is about right,

but the “des” is pronounced more like “desk” (without the “k” of course). And typically the “d” in “des” is a little like a “th” and less like a hard “d”. Depends on region of the world.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

GMDM's Competence

I am randomly using this post to refute the claims the DM’s incompetence.
Honestly, anyone claiming that DM is an incompetent GM is somewhere between “too quick to judge” and “completely asinine.”
To me, it’s all relative as to how good or bad you are doing at your job, especially when it comes to a position like GM of a major league baseball franchise.
In other words, name the person that would have taken over a bottom 5 major league roster and bottom 5 minor league roster and turned it into a good major league team in the first 4 years with a limited budget. Who is it? Come on Scott, who?
Here is the comparison. If I’m a public defender and I am assigned a case where my client is 100% guilty but wants to plead not guilty and in the end the judge finds him guilty because I couldn’t prove otherwise it doesn’t make me an incompetent lawyer.

“Competence” doesn’t mean “perfection.” Has DM made mistakes? Obviously. Learning from your mistakes is the thing we need to focus on from this point on.

And so if in 2014 we win the division and continue to have players in the farm system ready to add to the winning at the major league level, does this mean that all of a sudden DM is competent? Competence means “having the necessary skills to do something.” DM either has the skills to do this or he doesn’t.

If I had to judge RIGHT NOW whether he was competent I would have to say that we still don’t have enough information. To make good trades you have to have tradeable pieces. HE DIDN’T HAVE THAT.
Hearing someone call DM an incompetent GM makes me think of the Seinfeld episope where Costanza figured out all the trades the Yankees could make to be a winner.

George: I think I got it. How ‘bout this? How ’bout this? We trade Jim
Leyritz and Bernie Williams, for Barry Bonds, huh? Whadda ya think?
That way you have Griffey and Bonds, in the same outfield! Now you got
a team! Ha ha ha.
Umm…yeah…as we all know this stuff doesn’t happen.

If DM and I played a game of Monopoly and I started with all the properties except for Baltic Ave. and two railroads and also I got $50,000 and he got $2,000 I’m pretty sure I would win, but it would mean that he is bad at the game.

My point is that calling DM an incompetent GM at this point is NOWHERE NEAR a realist point of view. It is the essence of pessimism.

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

In other words, name the person that would have taken over a bottom 5 major league roster and bottom 5 minor league roster and turned it into a good major league team in the first 4 years with a limited budget. Who is it? Come on Scott, who?

ME! Ok, not me. But seriously, I don’t think you are setting up an appropriate standard for judging competence.

"Competence" doesn’t mean "perfection." Has DM made mistakes? Obviously. Learning from your mistakes is the thing we need to focus on from this point on.

We need to judge him on the totality of what he’s done and see if he’s been improving. I don’t think the record looks good overall and I don’t see improvement.
And so if in 2014 we win the division and continue to have players in the farm system ready to add to the winning at the major league level, does this mean that all of a sudden DM is competent?

Sure, unless it was a 2003-like fluke. There was a brief discussion on here a few days ago about what the Royals would have to do over the next 6-7 years for Moore to be considered a success. Matt (d_f) had a great answer:
Consistent, sustainable contention for a period is acceptable, I think. I mean, if the team consistenly wins 86+ games and still doesn’t make the playoffs because other different divisional teams are winning 90+ and the AL East keeps sending two teams to the playoffs isn’t enough for me to say a GM has necessarily failed (absent any details). And if a team consistently puts together an 86 win "true talent" team or whatever in the AL Central over a period of several years, odds are they’ll go to the playoffs at least once.

If I had to judge RIGHT NOW whether he was competent I would have to say that we still don’t have enough information. To make good trades you have to have tradeable pieces. HE DIDN’T HAVE THAT.

We can look at the talent he has brought in, both through trades and free agency (and through every other means as well). There’s lots of failure there. And I’m not saying he’s failed because he hasn’t brough in a lot of stars. He’s spent millions on guys like Meche (too much money for too long at the wrong time), Guillen, Bloomquist, Yuni, Farnsy, HoRam, etc. There are a lot of data points. How many do we need in order to evaluate him?

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Andrew Friedman
In other words, name the person that would have taken over a bottom 5 major league roster and bottom 5 minor league roster and turned it into a good major league team in the first 4 years with a limited budget. Who is it? Come on Scott, who?

And he did it in the AL East. Now we can’t expect every GM to be as good as the best, but Friedman showed that this insurmountable task could actually be done, and done with a smaller budget.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...what?

What are all the “high profile” free agents that the Rays brought in when they are in last place that helped them win?
And saying that Moore failed because he hasn’t done as well as THE BEST GUY isn’t really a good argument. And I realize that’s not really what you’re saying.

My point is that evaluating Moore on what has happened at the major league level so far just doesn’t make much sense. If we want to be a consistently winning organization then we can really only evaluate him at the major league level sometime this season. We didn’t already have Crawford, Upton, Kazmir, Shields, and Delmon Young (to trade). I’m just saying that the Rays were in a much better position. Obviously he’s been great since he was hired, but he definitely had more to work with.

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

My point is that evaluating Moore on what has happened at the major league level so far just doesn’t make much sense

Would it make sense to evaluate Moore based on all of the various moves he’s made so far as Royals GM?

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think my /code didn't take

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 31, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I got the joke

for whatever that’s worth

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is one of the funnier strawmen I've seen:
And saying that Moore failed because he hasn’t done as well as THE BEST GUY isn’t really a good argument.

I mean… no one was making that argument. Instead people are answering a question posed by this guy… a question that started with the words “name the person that would have…”

Hey, if you don’t want to see the answer, don’t ask the question.

by kcemigre on Jan 31, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you - i even said
Now we can’t expect every GM to be as good as the best,

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't Terry Ryan do the same when he first got to Minnesota?

Billy Beane in Oakland, Mark Shapiro in Cleveland, Larry Beinfest in Florida….

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 31, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-talent-rankings/2006/26854.html

they were nowhere near top 5 in minor league talent and take a look at their 2005 major league roster….crawford, lugo, gomes, cantu, kazmir….they had significant advantages in both areas.

however, this is not to take anything away from Friedman. he’s done an absolutely spectacular job in a tougher division

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 31, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

crawford, lugo, gomes, cantu, kazmir

Is that really that much better than Greinke, DeJesus, Teahen, Buck, Affeldt?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 31, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

at the time im taking the tb group

greinke was out of baseball and a complete unknown….teahen was coming off -1 war year…kaz looked to be one of the best young pitchers in baseball and they had some older assets with some value as well.

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 31, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

But Greinke went on to become pretty good. Are you saying that was because of Dayton?

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 31, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ha ha...i dont even know anymore....

ive confused myself with this argument….

tampa was clearly far better off in the minors than the Royals were at the same time and I think they were better at the major league level by a lesser margin. Its pointless to even be arguing this. Friedman has clearly done a much better job than Moore. I think its fair to say that most gms in the league wouldnt have turned this team into a winner or even average AND built up a great minor league system as well. Moore’s fate will be decided on the success/failure of his prospects…nothing else.

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 31, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys are painful

Mistakes have been made at the major league level, but none of that even matters yet! When the players that have been developed during his tenure are on the ML roster and he has his another wave of players behind them then we will truly know his level of competence. I understand making judgments emotionally after following bad teams. I get that. I get pissed off too. But all this just sounds like that guy you end up sitting next to at the game and after another loss starts calling everyone involved idiots just because he can when he obviously doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

piss-poor analogy.

I’d offer up an alternative but I’m still basking in the warmth of this white-hot nuclear blast of convenient phraseology.

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by Crooow on Jan 31, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

How about this
But all this just sounds like that guy you end up sitting next to at the game that starts commenting on a blog and after another loss Dayton Moore criticism starts calling everyone involved idiots just because he can when he obviously doesn’t really know what he’s talking about.

Sorry, that’s a little harsh. But to keep repeating that the past doesn’t matter

none of that even matters yet
is quite a strange thing to say. Of course the past matters when trying to predict the future. Even the results matter. For one, Zack Greinke demanded to leave the team because he didn’t trust the front office to actually build a winning team – because they had failed so badly in the three previous years.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Emotional judgments

I’m sorry Matty, but that is just bullshit. We aren’t just making emotional judgments on DM based on the fact that the team is losing. You just keep repeating that over and over and it has nothing to do with the actual arguments we’re making. Are you just ignoring the points we’ve made about his track record or do you not understand them?

Mistakes have been made at the major league level, but none of that even matters yet!

Do those moves tell us anything about how well Moore and his team evaluate major league talent and the dollar value of that talent? Of course they do. And we shouldn’t expect them to suddenly become good at that in the next few years when prospects are arriving in KC. That’s a big problem, no?
When the players that have been developed during his tenure are on the ML roster and he has his another wave of players behind them then we will truly know his level of competence.

Arguing that Moore can’t be evaluated at all before then is ludicrous. So nothing he’s done so far has been important or worthy of evaluation? Please. That makes no sense.

Again Matty, we’re not evaluating Moore based on the team’s W/L record. We’re looking at all he’s done. All of those various moves tell us something. If you care to look at them, you might see something too.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You're missing the point

At no point have I said that DM didn’t make bad decisions. And I’m not saying that he can’t be evaluated at the major league level. I’m saying that your evaluation of him at the major league level just doesn’t matter at this point.
The way you are saying that because he has made bad moves at the ML level means he will continue to make bad moves at the ML makes it sound like DM is a computer program that is programmed to make the same decisions all the time. You think DM believes that signing Jose Guillen was a success? Obviously he doesn’t. You think if he had it to do over again he would do the same thing? NO!

Part of getting good at something is learning from mistakes and trying to avoid them the next time. If he actually thinks the Guillen signing was a good move then you’re right, he’s an incompetent GM.

Just looking at the past season, he took the approach last off season to sign FA’s with the plan of flipping them at the deadline for prospects. Isn’t that what we wanted him to do all along? That’s the best way to build when you are in the position we are in. And he did that. That’s a change in his approach.

It’s all part of the process…..DAMMIT! I shouldn’t have said that. Just killed my argument.

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So you're saying...

So obviously you guys think that it would be a smart move for the Royals to fire Dayton Moore. If you think he is an “incompetent” GM then you think he doesn’t have the necessary skills to do his job. If that’s true then we should get rid of the GM that is overseeing the organization with the #1 farm system.

Please. Answer this one. Who here thinks DM should be fired? Because if you ask me, incompetence might be the #1 fireable offense.

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He should definitely be fired

And the parts of his staff that have helped him build the best minor league system in baseball (like J.J., etc.) should be retained with healthy raises.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way you could look at Dayton Moore and conclude that he's competent

would be if you assumed his major league level transactions were intended to produce teams with little chance of winning, with the ultimate goal of getting higher draft positions.

But he even failed at that, because while we were losing enough to be consistently crappy, we won just enough to miss out on the true gems, guys like Strasburg and Harper.

(On a side note: one thing that is often ignored in the “Dayton Moore: minor league genius” narrative is that his team lost more than any other team during his tenure, so naturally we should have had access to better draft picks each year, and ultimately produce the better system.)

But back to the question of competence. Even if we grant that Moore’s built up the minor league system really well, does that excuse his behavior at the major league level?

Put another way, can you really be considered competent if you fail at half of your job? Let’s say you’re a chef who makes truly delicious meals, but everyone who eats at your restaurant gets salmonella. Or conversely, let’s say your meals are extremely safe to eat but taste like dog food. Are you competent?

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by marbotty on Feb 1, 2011 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

So you're just assuming his ability to evaluate and acquire major league talent has improved

Without evidence. I admire your blind faith though. “He must recognize signing Guillen was a mistake….right?” I’m sure he recognizes that it didn’t work out. Do you think he’s following a different process now? I don’t. Moore evaluates on tools, following strict positional profiles, like “power on the corners.” Has that philosophy changed? Is he acquiring good value players now? Like Francoeur and Melky? Looks like he isn’t. Oh but maybe he brought in Frenchy to have a good first half and flip at the deadline. That way the Royals can get a good prospect for him, right? Well, last year when he was flipped at midseason, he was traded for Joaquin Arias, a valueless utility IFer who was waived a couple months later.

Look, you want Moore to improve. You want to believe that he’s learned from his mistakes and now he’s evaluating major league talent in a different, better way. The problem is that there is absolutely no evidence to support that contention. Since you’ve been so big on analogies in your comments on this thread, I’ll provide one of my own. You sound like a battered wife who just keeps getting beaten week in, week out…year in, year out. Whenever friends ask this woman why she stays with the abusive husband, she says that she’s sure he’s changed. And this is always followed by more beatings, and more hopeful assurances that he’s changed.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Please stop looking in my window at night

My wife is a lot tougher than she looks. And this black eye came from falling down the stairs. I slipped. Why doesn’t anyone believe me?

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Major league philosophy

I really don’t think the approach of a GM with a strong farm system is the same as the approach of one without. It just seems like you are taking the human element out of it totally. The situation is different. It’s a lot better than it was when he was hired.

by Matty486 on Jan 31, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

You talk about “philosophy” and “approach.” I’m talking about his skills with regard to major league talent evaluation and acquisition. So far, he’s looked very poor. I don’t know why I should think that is going to change. That’s the problem. If you’ve got a theory why you think Moore and his team are better at this now (or soon will be) than they have been in his first several years, share it.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The positions of need will be more obvious, he will be selling a better product, and Glass will probably open up the pockets more when he sees how much closer we are to contention. When we had nothing going for us he took his chances on the guys that would play here… who knows why, it could have been to put names we knew on the field or to show he was willing to spend money or whatever, but he did. He was terrible at picking names from a short list of players with a below average budget… that is a sign that he might continue sign the wrong guys once the circumstances change, but is nowhere near the certainty that you think it is.

by LimaTime10 on Jan 31, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose that he might find salvation in his farm system.

You’re right that has built a good farm, and if he can keep that going, he may be able to hide his Jose Guillen/Yuniesky Betancourt flaws. And maybe some small success can raise Glass’s willingness to spend. Of course we’re hoping this is the case, but I think we mostly remain skeptics.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said !

Let’s hope hisGM skill at the MLB level will be better in the future

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by theycallmerazor on Jan 31, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Colon can’t stay at SS?

Just another obvious case of anti-Royals bias

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 31, 2011 12:34 PM EST reply actions  

Is the thought that Colon can’t play SS? Or that he might be better suited to be a 2B?

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

And a utility guy who can play SS to spell the starter

Personally, I’d like to see them push guys harder to stay at the premium positions. I mean, he’s got to be as good a defender at SS as Aviles (from what I’ve read), and Aviles made believers out of some who previously thought he didn’t pass the “eye test”.

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m always wary of the “he won’t be able to stick at ______” analysis. While I’m sure many times it is justified, when I hear the scouts and similiary old school tools-only analysts (which covers pretty much all prospect analysts), I’m concerned that a lot of it comes from the strict positional profile mindset. At positions up the middle, you have to be good defensively, so the orthodoxy says. So I wonder if guys who would develop into merely so-so or a little below average defensively at a premium position with really plus bats for the position are sometimes (maybe often) pushed to a less premium position due to an antiquated positional philosophy.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 31, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed
pushed to a less premium position due to an antiquated positional philosophy

Maybe as the stark value differences between a SS and other IF positions sinks in (assuming the sabremetric community is right), this will lessen.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If he’d be a genuinely good 2B I think he’d be passable at SS because of the bat. I don’t think the range is so atrocious as to make playing him at SS a negative WAR situation or anything.

It just seems like a guy who can play 2B well and hit well could be a lesser SS.

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

and the plan was to keep him at SS

before they were able to acquire Escobar…and if for some reason escobar falls on his face this year….colon will probably stay at SS.

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by billybeingbilly on Jan 31, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The plan I’ve seen says keep him at SS until it becomes evident he needs to play SS.

I think they are very confident in his ability to transition to 2B at a moment’s notice. If he can play SS well there would be a big market for him, likely returning more than a good 2B.

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Needs to play 2B.

That is, keep his development where it needs to be for a SS. If he needs to switch at the ML level, they aren’t concerned about it.

If he proves he can’t play SS, I think we’ll see him change. I’m not so sure he’ll change just because of Escobar’s success though. 2 good SS’s would make one a big time trade piece.

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Goldstein has said

that he’s great with the glove, but lacks the speed and according range to play short. He does, however believe that Colon will be a great defensive second basemen, throwing out potential gold glover as far as defense at second is concerned.

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by Old Man Duggan on Jan 31, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

And this speaks to what NYRoyal and I mentioned above

Hopefully this isn’t happening so much, but why would they be shooing (?) Colon off SS so quickly if he’s got the skills but they aren’t sure about the range? (Actually, from some other comments it sounds like they’re not doing this right away) Maybe Colon can learn to mitigate his lack of range by better positioning, better reads, etc. (granted, he did play SS full time during college). It is just such a benefit to have him at SS, they should make every effort to see if he can stick there.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 31, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Everything the Royals have said

indicates that they are leaving Colon at SS for the time being, but they have definitely mentioned that there is a possibility that he’ll move to second.

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by Old Man Duggan on Feb 1, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

jokes aside

although I’m there were differing opinions, most stuff I read said that he couldn’t stick at SS defensively.

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by Matt Klaassen on Jan 31, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

a common comment before he was drafted was that his average speed — average compared to all player, not average for a shortstop — would limit his range too much to play shortstop in the major leagues, but he otherwise showed good defensive skills. After he started playing professionally, the lack of range assessment seemed to grow louder.

by Gopherballs on Jan 31, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Really? I think his professional defensive assessments largely circulated around the high number of errors he had which, according to those in the know, were largely throwing errors with a few also being the result of poor infield conditions in Wilmington.

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what you mean

The pre-draft reports questioned his speed to stick at shortstop, going along the line that some think he will have to move to 2B because of it, some think he can stick at SS anyway. Since the draft, I am not sure I have seen a report where anyone (not associated with the Royals organization or a fan site) has said that he can overcome his lack of range and stick at SS. I am sure others have commented on the errors and other aspects of his defense, but the lack of speed sure seems to be the main concern.

by Gopherballs on Jan 31, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

After he started playing professionally, the lack of range assessment seemed to grow louder.

I haven’t heard anything to that effect. The criticisms of his defense in Wilmington largely surrounded around wild throws. Some of the errors were attributable to a poor infield.

I haven’t read anyone who actually reviewed his Wilmington defense as lacking range moreso than it was questioned during the draft process.

by WURoyal on Jan 31, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

see Goldstein comment above

The BA guys have mentione it too, most recently as a side note in the article about Myers moving to the outfield.

by Gopherballs on Jan 31, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

an anonymous executive from an AL club says

that despite reports to the contrary, Colon has plus range, very good hands, is a tremendous leader, and has plus range.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 1, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

For what it's worth

I think Schaum said he was hearing Colon’s main defensive problems this past year were on throws due to his footwork. The concerns on his range been echoed by pretty much everyone though.

by deezle on Feb 1, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

How Long?

So, how long will it be before I see a lineup resembling ths one in KC?

1. Derrick Robinson – CF
2. Eric Hosmer – 1B
3. Wil Myers – LF
4. Mike Moustakas – 3B
5. Billy Butler – DH
6. Brett Eibner – RF
7. Salvador Perez – C
8. Christian Colon – 2B
9. Alcides Escobar – SS

Bench: Clint Robinson – DH/OF; Kila Kaiahuie – DH/1B; David Lough – OF; Johnny Giavotella – 2B; Jarrod Dyson – OF

SP – Mike Montgomery
SP – Danny Duffy
SP – John Lamb
SP – Chris Dwyer
SP – Aaron Crow
RP – Louis Coleman
RP – Jeremy Jeffress
RP – Tim Collins
RP – Patrick Keating
RP – Robinson Tejeda
RP – Everett Teaford
CL – Joakim Soria

by david.lowe on Feb 3, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

hopefully never...

you have 2 DH/1b and no backup catchers on the bench…oh, and Drobs starting in center and leading off…bad news

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by billybeingbilly on Feb 5, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I Suspect Cain

Is better than either of your CF options. Probably Blanco and even Mitch, too. Now, if Eibner or Myers could play average CF, Gordon (30 years old or so), Eibner and Myers would be nice if they all come close to their offensive potential. I don’t like Giava as the only IF backup, either.

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by philofthenorth on Feb 6, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

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