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Don't expect Pavano in the Royals rotation


Lackluster baseball "insider" Jon Heyman indicated that Carl Pavano has talked or is in talks with the Royals on a contract. The pitcher is seeking a three year deal, and I know for a fact that the Royals would not go three years. Pavano could easily become the Royals opening day starter and that could be an attractive angle for the Royals to pursue him. The Royals young and rising system is also a selling point, because for some pitchers, pitching in a "soon to be" winning environment in a small market can be very comfortable. Pavano has had his struggles in bigger markets and has shown far better performance when pitching out of the major spotlight.

I would love to see the Royals sign Pavano and Jeff Francis, because they could control both of them for a couple of years with options, and the team would have some more experience in the rotation.

I just can't see Moore and the Royals brass giving Pavano that third year. I don't think Moore wants to revisit that Meche contract, even though Meche pitched pretty well for some of it.

Poll
Will the Royals sign a free agent starter?
Yes, Carl Pavano on a three year deal
14 votes
Yes, Carl Pavano on a two year deal
20 votes
Yes, Jeff Francis on an incentive laden 2 year deal
40 votes
Yes, but neither Francis or Pavano
32 votes
Nope
16 votes

122 votes | Poll has closed

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Who do you know in the Royals front office?
The pitcher is seeking a three year deal, and I know for a fact that the Royals would not go three years.

Moore went five years on a pitcher who had been merely an ok SP up to that point. So how do you know for a fact that Moore wouldn’t go three years on Pavano?

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 5, 2011 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Ya have to agree with NY here. If the Royals are seriously looking at Pavano they pretty

much have to go 3 years or crush the Twins 2 year offer. While I like Pavano as I stated on my Fanshot that I’ll be deleting I don’t like the idea of overpaying him for 3 years.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 5, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

And if teams see him as a 3 WAR pitcher going forward (as he has been the last two years), then he's arguably worth $12-15M per year

I don’t want the Royals paying him even as much as $24M over two years, given that those years will very likely not be contending years. Should the Royals spend a bunch of money on him over three years just to get that third year in which the Royals might be contending? I don’t think so. There are a couple of offseasons to go before 2013. Let’s see if we can sign somebody then who would be under contract then for maybe a couple of contending seasons or more.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 5, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed I go the Francis route with a 1+ option

or sniff around and see if you can snag Blanton without giving up much in depth. Maybe Tyler Sample or Robinson Tejeda.

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by kcscoliny on Jan 5, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Francis is relatively cheap with upside and could be traded for something of value

And if there were a club option for 2012, I wouldn’t want it to be too high. The injury risk remains. Ideally the club option would also have a low base plus incentives, but I think that almost never happens. The player wants to know that he’d actually get a good guarantted payday if the option is picked up.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 5, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No,

I don’t want them to sign Pavano at all simply because of the picks we would be giving up. Moore seems to be drafting extremely well and we don’t want to waist a ton of upside for a 2-3 year starter if we won’t be competing for anything.

by rich04 on Jan 5, 2011 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Pavano

The Royals are in a great financial situation now. They have so much money free next year, that they can pick and choose internal performers and then add to it. Carl Pavano DOES make a lot of sense on a three year deal, but the payout has to be reasonable.

The Royals can’t justify a big annual hit for a 38 year old starter.

by Peterman700 on Jan 5, 2011 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

I hope they stay away from both pitchers

Francis has been pretty underwhelming considering where he was drafted. Sure, he played half his games in Coors Field, but he played ALL of his games in the NL, and yet still managed a very modest K/9. I don’t know that a switch to the AL would help his numbers at all.

Pavano had a very good 2010, but that came off the heels of three or four seasons of baseball in which he was either injured, ineffective, or both. In fact, you can make the argument that Pavano’s 2010 was a bit of mirage — he posted a career low K/9… it’s unlikely his success will carry over to 2011.

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by marbotty on Jan 6, 2011 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

+1

I’d rather look at guys with better stuff coming off injury – Bonderman, Penny, Duchscherer

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by RoyalsRetro on Jan 6, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Royals sign Pavano, it's another sign that DM doesn't get it.

He just traded away his best pitcher because he knows they won’t compete over the next 2 years. So why would he sign Pavano to a 3 year deal now, on the off chance that we are competing in the 3rd year? And what’s that say about Pavano? To me it says that no one else would sign him. If he’s 38, as mentioned above, I want no part of this old, injury riddled sack of crap, regardless of his last 2 years of performance. Let’s squeak by this year with our own cheap crap, and spend this money in a year where it might matter.

by AxDxMx on Jan 6, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

I like the idea of reclamation projects on minor league deals.

Kinda like Chen last year. It’s possible to find lightning in a bottle I suppose, but the cost factor is better than signing Pavano to a newer copy of Guillen’s contract assuming that’s what it’d take.

The prophecy has been fulfilled.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 6, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

For the amount of money it doesn't make sense

Frenchie and Melky dont really mean a lot because they are (pretty) cheap 1 year deals, no matter how pointless the deals were. 10+ Mil per year just ties our hands, especially with Meche finally coming off the books next year.

by Boots 58 on Jan 6, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Would it make sense to spend a few million on a SP in the hopes that he's decent and you can flip him in July?

[Not talking about Pavano here, as he won’t come that cheap. But one of the talented injury reclamation projects.] The idea would be basically to spend around $3M to buy a prospect. Certainly not a great prospect, but maybe a Tim Collins type. The Royals are sitting on surplus money. The only questions are whether to hold onto it and save it for later when the team might be contending, or to spend it now. And if the latter, how do you spend it? Even more money spent on the draft and on international FA’s? Definitely. But would it make sense to spend a modest chunk of it on a one-year deal with the intent to trade the player before the deadline to get a prosect?

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 6, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

This seems to have been the reason for signing old players last year (and perhaps this year)

It’s an expensive way to get prospects, and you don’t get great prosects, but do it enough the the Royals are likely to get 1 or 2 useful players

by Boots 58 on Jan 6, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

With likely arbitration awards and pre-arb money, the total payroll is right around $50M right now

So it seems like the Royals have money left to spend (somewhere). And Moore said a couple months ago that the payroll would be in the low-60’s.

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by Scott McKinney on Jan 6, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Really not sure that Pavano does not make any sense on a three year deal.

I mean the Royals are most likely not going to have 4 guys that do well in AAA and get in enough innings to feel comfortable starting them next year. The odds would seem to be pretty low. That covers two years right there, and after that he would be on a one year deal that would not really hurt the club even if he could not pitch.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Jan 6, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

another way to look at it

You can spend this $3M money on a reclamation project to pitch, so that you don’t rush up a pitching prospect out of need when another pitcher gets hurt. Keeping that prospect down longer keeps his arbitration and free agent clock from running. If that prospect pans out, this could save you more than $3M later on.

by stlJeff on Jan 6, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

Good point

I was just typing a similar response to NYRoyal’s statement above. The Royals need to get 900-1000 IP from starters, and of the current group, Kyle Davies is the only one to have ever pitched more than 150 innings in the majors (which he has done once). The organization is better off calling up the real prospects when they are ready, not just because the team needs innings. The ability to eat some of those innings, coupled with the chance to flip the free agent after four months at the trade deadline if he pitches really well, makes it a good idea.

by Gopherballs on Jan 6, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd Rather see Robinson Tejeda in the rotation again.

IMO it only increases his value. Especially if he pitches the way he did two years ago.

The prophecy has been fulfilled.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Jan 6, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Wouldn't sign a SP

Especially Pavano and Francis. Pavano, because he would be expensive and a potential liability. Francis, because he is LH and we already many top LH prospects. The only reason to sign francis would be to flip him in July.

by maddirishman on Jan 6, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

because all of those LH starting pitching prospects are ready to come up this year and will be uniformly awesome. Why is a sign-and-flip a bad idea? If a FA is good enough to be flipped at the deadline, it means the Royals have gotten a half-season of great production (plus a prospect of some sort) out of a low-level FA. Even in a losing, meaningless year that’s worth something—especially if it keeps one or more prospects from being rushed up too soon to eat innings and eat into their service clocks.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Jan 6, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There

is one caveat to this though…that Francis pitches well, and helps solidify things for KC.

A healthy Jeff Francis in KC could be good. I know the humidor in Coors has changed things but Kauffman is far more favorable to pitch in.

by Peterman700 on Jan 6, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

francis

ya i’d consider a decent option so we could keep him for 2012 if he does well.

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by doublestix on Jan 6, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Rosenthal reporting that Pavano close to deal with twinkies

for two years.

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by doublestix on Jan 6, 2011 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

God we can never convince the elite talent to come here

Killing time until time kills me

by EspeciallyK on Jan 6, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The Royals will not sign Pavano

They are in a one year salary dump mode, and really don’t care how many games they lose this year. I would be apoplectic if they traded Zack and then signed a mediocre pitcher to a $10 million + deal (which is what it would take).

I guess Francis would be a possibility in an incentive laden short term deal, but if I were going to do that with an injured pitcher I would try Duchscherer. Neither one of these guys are secrets though, and if the bidding gets too high the Royals are gone.

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by KHAZAD on Jan 11, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

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