The Off-Season Begins, What's Dayton Moore's Next Move?
by Freneau on Oct 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintDayton Moore likes to make the first move. The last three off-seasons, Moore has made a major trade (by Royals standards) within eight days of the end of the World Series. Given that rumors have abounded for the last two months that the Royals are looking to make a significant roster move or two this winter, we should expect nothing less this November.
Last season, the Giants won the World Series on November 2nd and on November 10th, Moore made his first major move, trading David DeJesus to Oakland. In 2009, the Yankees won the title on the 2nd as well, and on November 6th Moore traded Mark Teahen to the White Sox. In 2008, the season ended with a Phillies title on October 27th, and on October 31 Moore made the Mike Jacobs trade.
Moore is certainly predictable in some ways. We beat the Jeff Francoeur joke into the ground, only... he did actually eventually sign Jeff Francoeur. Apparently, the man uses centerfielder shopping as a way of marking time, to give another example. And, if you're a good bet to post a sub .320 OBP and a terrible UZR, there's a perverse chance that you'll end up a Royal. We know all that. However, not every transaction is another Miguel Olivo or Yuni move. There are also deals like the Teahen trade, which wasn't immediately digestible, or the signing of Melky Cabrera, which no one saw coming (though it fit the Moore paradigm in many ways) or, most famously, the Meche 5/$55 contract.
What might we expect this November?
- An early, market-busting or market-irrelevant move to sign a starting pitcher. I think this is more likely than a trade, because I don't think Moore wants to part with his guys that much. (Which, by the way, I don't mean to imply is necessarily a bad thing.) Problem is, the options aren't great.
- One of the zillion trade proposals you've seen for a starting pitcher. But, because this is how baseball go, it won't involve a team we think at all. Instead, Moore will strike a deal with, say, the Marlins or Mets or someone, that will catch us all off-guard. I have nightmares about being out of pocket for days and Moore trading Hosmer for King Felix or something and being unable to blog about it.
- The baffling position player move. Step one, acquire a player at a position seemingly occupied by someone else. Step two, announce a suboptimal position switch. Step three (six months later) trade the second player, but keep the other guy at his new position anyway.
- The bold position player move. Ala, Mike Jacobs part 2. Decent idea, poor execution on that one. In this case, I dunno... the line between baffling and bold could be blurry with this roster.
- A backup catcher. Signing a backup catcher is one of those transactions you can literally make just about anytime you want. Matt Treanor changed teams eight times this season, and I think the same 20 dollar bill just stayed stapled to his shirt the entire time as the payment. Dayton may want to just do something, so he'll sign Gerald Laird or someone.
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Hosmer for Gio Gonzales.
Butler moves to first, we have an “ace.” Everyone’s happy.
He wouldn’t do that, would he?
"On the last day of your life, don't forget to die."
- David Berman
I'm pretty sure Beane would take Hosmer over Butler in about .2 seconds.
Given their circumstances.
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If this happens
there is a 95% chance I will jump off of a bridge.
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Me too.
I’ll go first so If the fall doesn’t get me, you landing on me will.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Oct 31, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Dutton had a chat last week
And he made a comment that the Royals were trying to change Mission 2012 to Mission 2013/14. He also said something to the effect that the Royals weren’t determined to trade for pitching this offseason — only if the value was good.
What I took that to mean was that people in the front office (maybe DM himself) have been trying to walk back some of the comments about picking up pitching. Since I don’t think comments to the press actually affect negotiations (i.e. Dayton doesn’t actually weaken his negotiating position by telling the press we’re looking for pitching, nor strengthen it by denying that), I inferred that the Royals aren’t finding the market to be as friendly as they’d hoped so they’re trying to lower expectations.
A lot of supposition there, but the short version is that I don’t expect to see a pitching move (aside from maybe resigning Chen) any time soon.
Now I see that Jack Marsh posted a story from Kaegel saying something similar
I think DM found that pitchers were going to be harder to come by than he expected so he’s pulling back.
I strongly think that this is the right decision.
What could he have just learned in the past two weeks?
He thought good, young SP’s could be had cheaply and just figured out that they can’t? That sounds about as plausible has him just stumbling across the concept of gravity. I’m sorry but I seriously doubt that the plan just changed because Moore surprisingly learned that good, young SP’s are expensive.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 30, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Another possibility, and it is admittedly somewhat convoluted
was that he was able to convince Glass he needed more time beyond next year; and had been hedging his bets until then by trying to play for 2012.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 30, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
You've never gone shopping for something, discovered it cost more than you expected, and then decided not to get it?
The season ends. Teams start trade discussions (but don’t announce anything in deference to Selig’s playoff gag rule). Dayton has an eye on starting pitching but finds that the players he wanted cost more than he wants to spend. So he changes his plans.
Here’s a simple analogy. Two weeks ago, I decided to buy a car to replace ours, which is dying. I knew that cars were expensive, but I was surprised that I couldn’t find a decent used car for less than $10,000. That’s more than I wanted to spend so I decided to join zipcar instead.
by KSinDC on Oct 30, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A MLB GM has some idea how expensive good, young SP's are
Dayton Moore isn’t so incompetent that he doesn’t have any idea how valuable these pitchers are. He knows they cost a lot in prospects. He knows how often they get traded (not often) and he knows how much they’ve cost when they have been traded.
Here’s a simple analogy. Two weeks ago, I decided to buy a car to replace ours, which is dying. I knew that cars were expensive, but I was surprised that I couldn’t find a decent used car for less than $10,000. That’s more than I wanted to spend so I decided to join zipcar instead.
I think that is an excellent analogy because you would know even before looking that you can’t get a decent used car for less than $10,000. That would be doubly true if you were in the car sales business. Dayton Moore is in this business. I don’t think he’s a good GM, but he’s not ignorant. He didn’t think he was going to get any of these pitchers cheap. So he talks to a few GM’s and suddenly his plan changes because every pitcher he was interested costs a lot more than he thought?
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 30, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you're serious about this
Or you’re just ratcheting up the absurdity by telling me I knew I couldn’t find a decent car for $10,000 before I started looking, even though I just said I didn’t realize that until after I started looking. Very impressive, but surely there’s a better use for your psychic abilities than reading my mind.
I don’t really know what to make of your argument. Valuing unique assets is tough enough if you’re trying to do it in dollars. It’s exponentially tougher if you’re trying to do it in terms of other unique assets. Maybe Dayton found out that the Rays value James Shields more than he thought or maybe he found out that they value Shields exactly as he expected, but they value Myers (or whoever he was offering) less than he expected.
I just feel like it’s so obvious that, especially for young players, valuation is subjective and varies from person to person, I can’t believe someone would deny that anybody (even an expert) would learn a lot about how different organizations value different players in a few intensive weeks of negotiations.
If I understand your argument correctly, you are saying that Moore fully intended to trade foor a good, young SP. But then he started talking to multiple teams about those pitchers and found that the price was too steep, so now he thinks that such a trade won’t happen and he’ll be looking at other options (FA’s, waiver wire, FAT).
Any competent GM (or even a knowledge baseball fan) knows that good, young SP’s require a ton to acquire. They are very expensive. There’s no mystery there. If Moore has learned this quickly that these pitchers are too expensive for him, then his estimation of how much these players costs was way, way off. It’s very early in the offseason, so if he’s essentially given up on the SP trade market then what he was willing to give up must not have been at all close to what any team wanted. I don’t think Dayton Moore is as ignorant and stupid as that. If he was ever serious about trading prospects for an SP, then he would have known it would cost top prospects and would have been willing to pay it.
I don’t think this is a particularly interesting or important point to debate. But I think you are wildly oversimplifying what’s going on here. And your “ratcheting up the absurdity” condescension is unwarranted.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 31, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I usually stay away from condescension
But I don’t regret it this time considering you had just corrected me on the subject of what I knew about the used car market.
As for the rest, you keep falling back on very vague terms like “expensive.” Obviously that includes a vast range of values from “expensive, but worth it” to “far too expensive.”
I went to get apples for a pie yesterday. Even though it’s peak apple season, apples were selling at the store yesterday for $2.49 a pound. I was expecting something closer to $0.99 or $1.19. And I pay attention to prices at the grocery store. But, whatever, it happens.
When we’re talking about buying apples or cars or any other common shopping experience, we’re talking about buying a commodity on a fairly transparent market with a huge volume of transactions using a common means of exchange (dollars) whose value everyone agrees on. When we’re talking about trading baseball players, we’re talking about buying a unique asset on a somewhat opaque market with relatively few transactions using another unique asset (another baseball player). There’s a relatively low limit to how strong an understanding anyone can have of that market.
Two weeks of conversations could easily cause Moore to realize, for example that the price for a top pitcher would be Hosmer and Duffy rather than Myers and Cuthbert, and for him to decide that’s more than he’s willing to pay.
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 31, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's more like how many working Revolutionary War-era muskets will it take
And my guess is 11. I’d pay as many as 13. But if it turns out it’s going to take more than that, or if it turns out he can only be had for intact pieces of china raised from the Titanic, I’d have to re-evaluate.
Two weeks of conversations could easily cause Moore to realize, for example that the price for a top pitcher would be Hosmer and Duffy rather than Myers and Cuthbert, and for him to decide that’s more than he’s willing to pay.
I think that is exceptionally unlikely. There are a number of potentially available SP’s. If Moore was serious about trading for a good, young SP, then he would have been interested in multiple different pitchers, not just one or two. And they wouldn’t all cost Hosmer and/or Duffy. Some could be had for top prospects (based on the recent history of such trades). Moore knows this. He knew it a month ago and he knows it now. Just my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.
I don’t know why my supposition about what you knew or should have known about the used car market gave you such offense, but it was not intended as a jab at you.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 31, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not so much that I took offense as that it was absurd
I’d just said that I didn’t know that until I went and looked, and you responded by telling me that I knew before I looked. It was either incredibly condescending or absurd. I went with absurd.
What I meant was that you should have known even before looking. And I think that was analogous to Moore and what it costs to get a good, young SP.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 31, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm not claiming some inside knowledge of the discussions
Hosmer and Duffy vs. Myers and Cuthbert was an example. Substitute Montgomery and Myers vs. Odorizzi and Cuthbert as you like.
And I contend that if Moore was really looking to trade prospects for one or more good, young SP’s, then he knew it was going to take some combination of Myers, Montgomery, Odorizzi, Cuthbert, Dwyer, etc. I further contend that if Moore talks to a team about a given good, young SP and they want Myers and Montgomery, that wouldn’t turn Moore off of the trade market. That might be a little more than he’s willing to spend but at least they are asking for something that is in a reasonable and expected range for such a pitcher. Perhaps as the offseason progresses, the team might soften and accept something less. More importantly, there are many other pitchers the Royals could look into and they won’t all be demanding both Myers and Montgomery.
Long story short, if Moore was really interested in trading for a SP a month or two ago, I think he’s still interested. I doubt anything significant has changed.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I found a decent used car for less than $10k...
Should I run and tell Glass I can GM for him next year?
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by ChrisCEIT on Oct 31, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
$4.5K For My
1997 GMC Jimmy. I put more money into it, but it runs like a top. I’ve never added oil between changes, and it just turned over 150K miles.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 31, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I Wouldn't Think
Twice about driving it To Florida. I would get the A/C recharged first, though.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 31, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I now see that vague terms "cheap" and "expensive" are doing all the work in your post
So I’m guessing you’re just joking around. Sorry I didn’t pick up before. I should go to bed.
Its just a question of
Which prospects do they want.
If they aren’t the ones we want to give up it wont work.
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I just noticed it, and I laughed loud enough to startle the dog.
That's Aaron F.
Boone, thank you.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 29, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I really wanted to suggest
that it was the retarded cousin of the love child of Boone and Blair. For some reason I got gunshy after suggesting the other night to what extent my attraction for Alison Brie reaches.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 29, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
RE: Alson Brie
No matter how awesome a woman seems, somewhere there is a guy who thinks she is a monumental pain in the ass.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Oct 30, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Or Several
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by philofthenorth on Oct 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder how long Hitch has left?
Seemed like he just released some new essays recently….there’s no one quite like the guy. He’s done enough to piss off all sides of the political spectrum, which probably indicates a certain authenticity, or at least an intellectual honesty.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Oct 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he did Hitch-22, his memoir, which was quite readable.
Still writing for Slate and all. Every televised interview and debate I saw him in he was well into cocktail hour and of course loved good food and the smoke, which perhaps cost him his making it to a seventh decade, but what a life, what a brilliant individual.
Agreed....an epicurean intellectual....
dude’s forays to the right drove me nuts, but he has style, balls, guts, grace, etc….some combo of qualities that you don’t often see lumped into just one man.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Nov 3, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there are fairly specific things they'll target.
Our projected line-up is RH heavy so I think they’ll look to load the bench with lefties. Maier (L) will be the 4th OF, I’m fairly certain, though Dyson (L) or Lough (L) are possibilities.
A backup catcher who is LH or a switch hitter (Pena) is a probability if the backup isn’t Pina®.
As far as the utility guy goes, Navarro is RH, Getz is LH, Falu is a switch hitter (who isn’t on the 40 man). I think Navarro will get optioned to Omaha unless Gia isn’t ready to go.
Assuming we retain Melky, our lineup looks like:
Gordon – L
Melky – S
Butler – R
Hos – L
Francouer – R
Moose – L
Gia – R
Perez – R
Escobar – R
Trade Melky and we need a number 2 hitter or a lead-off guy. If Cain is the CF replacement, he’s RH, but I don’t think they see him as someone who will get on base enough to lead-off. Gia might be a number 2 hitter, but that’s a best case scenario and we’d need to see better ML production to make that move.
I think they’ll try to extend Hochevar and especially Gordon. Apart from that, there’s the FA pitching quandary. I think they’ll offer Chen arb. There’s a good chance he accepts.
What would we give up for Gavin Floyd?
Pre-draft the White Sox were hot and heavy for Christian Colon and Brett Eibner. Even though they’ve sucked been disappointing, they might still hold a special place in Kenny’s heart.
Would you trade one or both of them for 2 years of Floyd (7M-2012, 9M club option-2013)?
Oh, Yes
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by philofthenorth on Oct 29, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i like eibner alot...
but you gotta make that move if its an option
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by billybeingbilly on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He Might Make
Us bash our collective forehead in around 2014, but probably not.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 29, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The only impact we'll feel
is from the wind coming off his misses.
Yeah, I've been in on getting Floyd
For a while now. I have no idea what the White Sox are thinking about next year, but I would rather do business with Kenny than just about anyone else. And I like Floyd’s deal a lot better than Wandy’s.
by thelaundry on Oct 30, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I can see Floyd getting dealt
I can see that being enough too although usually you see a pitching prospect involved.
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The Trade
The Trade will involve this. Melky, Wood, Clint Robinson,Maier, and getz for James Sheilds. Clint Robinson because you know tampa is 1B/DH deprived, Melky cause he has value and we have cain, and then wood maier and getz are through ins because wood is alright and maier and getz suck. Also this is are bench next year c pina just as good as brayan. INF Yamaco Navaro will hit more home runs play more positions and FLD just as good. OF Jarod Dyson he will hit better than maier run better and defend better. Also here is the line up for next season.
1. Alex Gordon LF
2. Salvador Perez C Maybe Melky
3. Billy Butler DH
4. Eric Hosmer 1B
5. Johnny Giavotella 2B
6. Jeff Francour RF
7. Lorenzo Cain CF
8. Mike Moustakas 3B
9. Alcides Escobar SS
Put everyone down one and take Lorenzo out if melky ain’t traded.
by Eric Hoz Rulz on Oct 29, 2011 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Wow, of all the things I love about this
Gia in the 5 hole is my favorite.
TWSS?
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by philofthenorth on Oct 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Through ins
Make it happen Dayton, after all TB has the worst front office in baseball
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by Lum on Oct 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Melky can play catcher?
That signing just gets better and better doesn’t it?
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Yes. He's good to keep in CF in AAA. He's not blocking anyone
And if he can get on base .350 or so he’s a very good player because of the defense and baserunning.
by WURoyal on Oct 29, 2011 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
right, if he can get on base at a decent enough rate
he’d be a terrific backup OF
If he can get on base
he’d be a terrific starting centerfielder. That’s not particularly likely, but it’s possible given his number of AAA and ML PA’s.
Why would we give up Maier?
Other than that, great trade.
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Anyone willing to trade an "untouchable" for Mat Latos.
He’d be a legit staff ace with lots of team control left. I’m targeting Mike Moustakas. You could just sign Alex Gordon long term and move him back to 3rd.
"When you find your way. Then you see it disappear."
I don't think Latos would be available for a single untouchable prospect.
Trading a guy like Latos requires a Grienke-esque haul. Actually, it requires more because he’s cheaper, under control longer, not auite the headcase, and the Padres don’t have to trade him.
by WURoyal on Oct 30, 2011 3:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like the way you think!
I’d do Latos for Moustakas and Odorizzi right now with no problem. It’s early in the hot stove season…I’m just exploring ideas here.
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About the only decent position player the Padres have...
is Headley, who plays 3b. Why would they want Moustakas? Proposed trades really ought to consider what the other team needs and if it makes sense to them.
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by setupunchtag on Oct 30, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm saying a Latos trade would be more like
Hosmer, Montgomery, Jorge Bonifacio, and Humberto Arteaga
That, way, way more than the pu-pu latter the Royals for got for Greinke
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
"that is"
tremendous work by me as always
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 30, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I realized Greinke wasn’t a great example. Maybe you could put Myers in there instead of Hosmer, but that’s about the minimum I think they’d accept.
They are under no pressure to trade Latos. He’s good, cheap, and under team control for a long time. Guys like Latos don’t get traded unless it’s a blockbuster deal.
Latos has not informed the Padres he won’t show up to spring training, and Latos doesn’t have a no-trade clause which would prevent the Padres from trading him to the highest bidder either.
it seems to have too much high upside/far away
it doesn’t seem like players who have a lot of potential, but haven’t played full-season ball take up much value in a trade, generally speaking.
I'm thinking along the lines of the Texeira trade
Maybe trade out one or both of Bonifacio and Arteaga for Ventura.
But the point is, the price for a guy like Latos would be too high unless he was the final piece.
Latos is a good young pitcher
But he is really overrated. His numbers might look “ace-ish” until you remember that he’s pitching in the easier league in a park that deflates run scoring about at much as Colorado inflates it.
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 30, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
True enough...
but his FIP and xFIP weren’t terribly crazy slipt Home/Road this year.
Home FIP: 3.06
Road FIP: 3.26
Home xFIP: 3.34
Road xFIP: 3.68
I suppose if you took into account the typical Home/Road split and regressed his numbers, his road numbers would still look dandy. I’m a fan of using his FIP/xFIP since he actually strikes guys out… also, his HR/9 was less on the road than at home…
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I went ahead and looked at his career numbers...
They’re basically the same. He’s a damn ace, and either the Padres defense SUCKS or he hates San Diego. That might be enough to frown on him.
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Someone I think they should consider signing...
is Ryan Doumit. He’ll be 31 next year and would be a good offensive back-up C, is a switch-hitter, can also play some 1B and RF, giving them a bit more flexability than Pena or another guy who’s soley catcher. He’s always an injury risk, and not that great defensively, but with the Royals likely playing Perez into the dirt next year, he wouldn’t have to log that much time behind the plate. The Pirates aren’t going to keep him at $7.25 million. Depending on how much he’d cost, I wouldn’t mind that move.
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Some say Doumit's bat only plays at catcher
but he could really help a team if he could play the center field, shortstop, or second!
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by Matt Klaassen on Oct 30, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I've also heard...
he rolls out a mean tarp. And a .777 career OPS bat should be able to play back-up anywhere he can play…sort of a Wilson Betemit (.784 lifetime OPS, btw), who can catch. I just think he’d be a better option off the bench than Pena.
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by setupunchtag on Oct 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
As for Melky...
MLBtraderumors lists Oakland, the Marlins, Mets, Nationals, and the Giants as teams looking for a CF. I think Oakland will value more defense than Melky offers, and the Nationals seem more linked to Upton, but the Marlins, Mets and Giants might be good fits. As for SF, say, maybe Melky and someone else for Jonathon Sanchez.? Or to the Marlins for someone like Chris Volstad (former 1st rounder and fairly low walk rate last year and through the minors)? The Mets, maybe Jonathon Niese. Honestly, I can’t imagine another team giving up a lot for him and I think another player will have to be included in most trades with MC, but then again, if he has even a decent year he’ll end up being a Type A, so he does have that value.
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Therein lies the problem though
Melky has a good shot at type A status. Depending on what compensation system makes it into the next CBA and the value of such compensation as determined by draft slotting, Melky may not return what he’s actually worth. He’ll need to produce early in 2012 to convince most people too.
by WURoyal on Oct 30, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I Think Anyone
Can see Melky is not a real CF. LF is the only good fit for him, and except for 2011, his bat doesn’t play there. Sabean might be the exception.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 30, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree
Unless 2012 starts off as a 2011 repeat, Melky’s peak value is probably as a comp pick.
I think you're probably right about Sabean...
and though most wouldn’t see Melky as a CF, the options for other teams are minimal. Upton seems to be the only guy someone is willing to trade, and the FA market is pretty grim, brittle, or has guys like Melky who’d probably be better at COF.
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by setupunchtag on Oct 30, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Really, Sabean Just
Paid Cody Ross $6M+ to put up this line in fairly regular COF duty: .240 .325 .405 .730. He’s a FA now,
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by philofthenorth on Oct 30, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Premature Post. And
He’s only 30!
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by philofthenorth on Oct 30, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Sabean...
made great picks with Lincecum, Cain, and Posey, but the rest of his work is best represented by the Zito deal.
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by setupunchtag on Oct 31, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be surprised if he took a flyer on Smoltzy
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