Strong Arms, Limited Range, Give Royals Mediocre Outfield Defense in 2011
The Royal outfield posted a cumulative UZR of 9.0 in 2011, good for 6th best in the American League. As a child of the terrible Royal teams of the 2000s, I view being in the middle of the pack in something as a good thing. Even last year, the Royal outfield defense was considerably worse, posting a -13.5 score that was 10th in the league. According to UZR the Rays, Red Sox and Yankees all had extremely good defensive outfields, and their totals are all above 20. The Royals probably weren't in their class, but were comparable to teams like Anaheim and Minnesota, who were in the next tier down. (For a UZR primer, click here.)
In evaluating the Royal outfield, we have a case where the advanced numbers match what our eyes and the reputations of the players involved tell us. The strength of the outfield was in the arms, rather than the legs. The team's ARM score of 19.3 was easily the best in the American League (NYY was second at 7.3). Meanwhile the Royals were actually below average range-wise, posting a -13.1 score, second worst in the AL.
On balance, the formula worked, although the Royals would be well-served to have a rangy CF replace Melky Cabrera, That is, at least if they wanted to field a dynamic defensive outfield. UZR numbers aren't perfect -- although it should be stated empahtically that nothing be it a stat or a scouting system is -- but the incredible stability of the Royal outfield takes much noise out of the data. Gordon-Cabrera-Francoeur was the alignment just about every single day, and Ned Yost rarely made defensive replacements in the outfield. I can't quantify how much more confident this makes me with regard to the data, but it certainly worth mentioning. Last season, there was so much churn in the outfield, just about every defensive stat became a very small sample, which makes a difference.
(Individual numbers after the jump)
| Inn | ARM | Range | UZR | |
| Gordon | 1309 | 11.2 | -2.1 | 10.5 |
| Francoeur | 1352 | 9.3 | -8.7 | 0.6 |
| Melky | 1339 | -2.0 | -5.6 | -6.7 |
As you can see above, the advanced stats loved Gordon's work in the outfield this season, despite Francoeur's stronger reputation. I'm willing to call their arms roughly equal. The range remains perhaps an open question, and going forward there might not be a huge difference between the two. Francoeur has posted poor range scores in multiple ballparks in multiple leagues, going back to 2008. With Gordon, we really don't quite know just yet.
As for Melky, I'm a little surprised his numbers were quite this bad, but I'm not stunned by it. Melky's bat made him playable in 2011. Moving forward however, playing three poor-range OFs might not be the best strategy for the Royals.
For what it's worth, MITCH (3.2) and Dyson (1.3) contributed positive UZRs in limited playing time (300 innings total).
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Melky got a little boost (+1.9 runs) from his brief time in the corners
Melky in CF
-3.0 arm
-6.3 range
+0.7 error
-8.6 UZR total
Career (4575 innings)
-7.3 UZR/150
Also, for everyone not just Melky, the general caveat about wanting 3 years of defensive data (yada yada yada) applies
Melky had some good numbers the last few weeks, because he was worse then that.
Still, pretty good numbers for the outfield. If the Royals use Cain as the centerfielder next year, the numbers should go up some. I’m not sure if the defense can make up for the difference in the bats between Cain and Melky though. It will be interesting to see if the Royals trade Melky, play all four next year, or let Cain rot in AAA again.
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I can’t quantify how much more confident this makes me with regard to the data
Agreed…any defensive measurement that doesn’t begin by ranking Frenchy as the perfect OF, Getz as the perfect IF, and Perez as the perfect catcher, and tjhen bases all other players as a .01% through 99.99% value of Frenchy/Getz/Perez is inherently flawed.
by Loose Seal on Oct 3, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, the key to dismantling evolu, I mean, using data correctly,
is to start out by determining your conclusion, then devise a formula to meet it.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Oct 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Frenchy's range was getting very Guillen-ish towards the end.
It was rough to watch at times. I don’t know how many times I wanted him to unhook the trailer.
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It's amazing how little difference there is between running hard and jogging
when you’re just plain slow to begin with
by Loose Seal on Oct 3, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To Be Ranked 6th
With two hitters who are plus bats, and one guy who is average is pretty darn respectable. I’d take it in a heartbeat. I’d liked to have put Cain in center and move Melky to right rather than re-sign Frenchy, but if they continue to hit, I won’t complain.
UZR doesn't take into account leadership
Frenchy wins every time
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As Wile E. Coyote, suspended in mid air about 5 feet off the edge of the cliff, having overrun the Roadrunner (Cain). I fear his drop in 2012 will be precipitous. His range will continue to deteriorate, and his plate approach is not built for sustained success.
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His range will continue to deteriorate, and his plate approach is not built for sustained success.
And AL runners will run on him less, decreasing those all-important OF assists.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 3, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Paging Mark Teahen
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by philofthenorth on Oct 3, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't UZR's ARM take into account runners not trying for the extra base as much?
Or is your comment limited to assists as a standalone statistic?
I don't think that will give rise to an equal result
A fielder helps his team a lot more by throwing runners out than by keeping them from running. If players are running on him less, there is a benefit there for the team, but a smaller one, and that should be reflected in the arm elements of UZR and Dewan’s system.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 3, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
CAIN!
I don’t care that his bat isn’t going to be as potent as Melky’s was this year. Melky’s bat probably won’t be as potent next year as Melky’s bat this year. And I think our young pitching will benefit more from knowing that those gaps just got a little smaller in the OF.
I know the tenor around hear regarding Frenchy, but I get the feeling that he is much more likely to repeat what he did this year than Melky is to repeat what he did. I have a hunch Frenchy > Melky next year. Trade high, Dayton.
Just catch the damn ball
Both Gordon and Francoeur had a range factor of 2.28, which is well above average for corner outfielders.
Range Factor isn't a particularly good statistic at measuring a player's range
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 3, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Range factor
It’s a hell of a lot better than any other measure. Like I said, put yourself into position to make the play(catch the damn ball) If I’m a lot smater and or just have better instincts for the game than you and I take into consideration the game situation, the count, the pitcher, the batter, etc and I move 60 feet and then only have to move 10 feet to field the ball, I still made the play. If you ran 70 feet to make the same play you’re saying that makes you a better fielder, wrong. That’s where those zone radius numbers are nearly meaningless.
by R_F on Oct 4, 2011 5:37 AM EDT up reply actions
It really isn't better than other measures
Putouts and assists per inning played at a position is a truly awful way of measuring range. More complicated metrics based on play-by-play data do a much better job of assessing a player’s range (by actual performance). UZR, PMR and Dewan’s Plus/Minus metrics are all superior to Range Factor.
You’re assuming that Range Factor captures the fielder positioning element better than the advanced defensive metrics. I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that. Range Factor actually provides much less meaningful information than the advanced metrics.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
At least have it converted to Balls in plays
Teams with K pitchers will not have as many chances.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Oct 4, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
But this is like tinkering with batting average to make it a little more meaningful. Why rely on batting average to measure hititng performance at all when there are much better stats out there?
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 4, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about overall defensive ability
and “range” isn’t the total package
by R_F on Oct 4, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think the advanced defensive metrics capture overall defensive peformance much better than RF
And I don’t think it’s particularly close.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 4, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What element of subjectivity are you worried about?
Determining which zone a ball was hit to? Determining whether the ball was hard hit or not? The subjectivity is very limited. It’s not like the people who do this are just saying “I think he should have gotten to that one.” They are making simple classifications on batted balls and whether or not an out was made.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 4, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
But they do not take into account the player who positions himself better before the play begins.
by R_F on Oct 4, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Players Frequently Do
Not determine their positioning.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 4, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Players
Always determine their positioning, to one degree or another.
by R_F on Oct 4, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Only If The
Coaches agree.
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by philofthenorth on Oct 4, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
Coaches give a general location, not an exact one and nothing in this world prevents a player from moving during the pitchers windup.
by R_F on Oct 4, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Except For Coaches
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by philofthenorth on Oct 4, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
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by philofthenorth on Oct 4, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
R_F, in general coaches position players
Coaches routinely position players, waving them to move until they are just where the coaches want them to be.
But you’re missing the bigger point. Range Factor does not do a better job of taking everything in fielding into account. Both RF and advanced metrics give fielders credit for the outs they make or contribute to (put outs and assists). But advanced metrics go further by taking into account where the ball was hit, how hard it was hit and then comparing a player’s overall numbers to all of the other players at that position.
There’s no way rationale behind saying that Range Factor captures defensive performance or talent better than advanced defensive metrics. Advanced metrics capture everything RF captures and then much more. Do you also think that batting average measures hitting performance and talent better than OPS or wOBA, because that’s an analogous argument and equally without merit.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 4, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Your ADM says that Eric Hosmer is a terrible defensive first baseman. Now that’s absurd.
Small sample sizes
A year of defensive data is about the equivalent of 2 months of hitting data. And Hosmer didn’t even have a full year in the majors. When you’re looking at a small sample of data, the results can skew wildly. That goes for RF too. That’s just the nature of defensive stats, because that’s the nature of defensive data.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 5, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
BA
BA is a better measure than BABiP & OPS is the beter measure of overall offensive performance.
Google "sabermetric primer"
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by philofthenorth on Oct 5, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Does size of ball park have anything to do with these UZR numbers?
Rays, Red Sox and Yankees
They all have small outfields. A guy who gained 20 lbs like Crawford will still be able to cover their entire LF. If you’ve got a speed guy in CF he’ll have the rest. Yankee stadium is tiny in the corners…. Tampa isn’t a big OF either. I don’t know if it’d make a difference, but I’d like to see how those 3 groups did at the K.
I think the Yankee Stadium OF is pretty big
RF isn’t big, but it seems like LF and CF are pretty big.
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by Scott McKinney on Oct 4, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Most fielding stats include park adjustments
UZR does, Dewan’s does, TotalZone (Both versions) does. FRAA does. I don’t know about PMR.
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