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Eric Hosmer's Defense Part 2: Positioning

OAKLAND, CA - SEPTEMBER 06:  Eric Hosmer #35 of the Kansas City Royals can't catch a ball hit by Ryan Sweeney #15 of the Oakland Athletics in the seventh inning at O.co Coliseum on September 6, 2011 in Oakland, California.  (Photo by Ezra Shaw/Getty Images)

Jeff's post last week suggested Eric Hosmer plays too close to the line by identifying which zones he made the most outs. Thanks to the data from MGL, I identified 44 plays on groundballs in which Hosmer did not record an out, but other MLB first baseman recorded an out over 50% of the time. 15 of those times, the Royals second baseman made the out. These plays did not hurt Hosmer's UZR rating, since an out was recorded. 29 of the 44 plays went as hits and hurt his defensive rating, and those plays are in the table below.

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Date

Time 

League Outs By 1B

Holding Runner On

Batter Speed

Zone

Ball Speed

Batter Hand

5/7/2011

 57:40

0.813

No

S

W

H

L

5/11/2011

 3:31:58

0.556

No

S

U

M

L

5/14/2011

 

0.8

Yes

S

U

H

R

5/16/2011

 

0.565

No

F

U

M

L

5/22/2011

 

0.578

No

S

V

H

R

5/30/2011

 15:20

0.902

No

S

V

M

L

6/2/2011

 54:47, 55:08

0.608

No

F

V

H

L

6/8/2011

 

0.638

Yes

S

U

S

L

6/21/2011

 1:13:20

0.565

No

F

U

M

L

6/22/2011

 

0.52

Yes

S

V

H

L

6/29/2011

 

0.576

Yes

F

V

M

R

7/1/2011

 1:29:35

0.902

No

S

V

M

L

7/2/2011

  41:26

0.77

No

F

W

H

L

7/3/2011

 

0.597

Yes

S

W

H

L

7/8/2011

 

0.556

No

S

U

M

L

7/9/2011

 

0.565

No

F

U

M

L

7/16/2011

 

0.746

Yes

S

V

M

L

7/19/2011

 

0.789

No

F

V

S

R

7/31/2011

 58:07, 57:44

0.873

No

F

X

M

L

8/3/2011

 1:56:02

0.556

No

S

U

M

L

8/7/2011

 

0.52

Yes

S

V

H

L

8/12/2011

 

0.62

No

S

V

H

L

8/13/2011

 1:44:56

0.565

No

F

U

M

L

8/15/2011

 

0.887

Yes

F

W

M

L

8/18/2011

 11:16

0.65

No

F

U

S

L

8/19/2011

 

0.746

Yes

S

V

M

L

9/4/2011

 54:27

0.608

No

F

V

H

L

9/7/2011

 

0.576

Yes

F

V

M

R

9/8/2011

 2:05:06

0.565

No

F

U

M

L

MGL's data lists much more information, but this is everything I found pertinent while trying to find an explanation for why Hosmer did not make the play. The time given is where you can find the play on the mlb.tv archives. I prefer to show everyone the video, but that would break copyright laws and the MLB is strict on its video policies. If you have mlb.tv, I encourage you to look at the archives to see the plays yourself. For everyone else, the screen shots after the jump will hopefully suffice.

As the data shows, Hosmer had his defensive struggles in different situations. 1/3 of the time he was holding the runner on when he did not field a ball that over 50% of the time other first baseman field. This is harder to blame solely on poor positioning, since all first baseman are closer to the bag in this situation. 15 of the hits were against slow hitters while 14 happened against fast hitters, showing the speed of the hitter did not factor into his struggles. The majority of the balls hit towards Hosmer MGL classified as hit with medium velocity, and UZR accounts for how the ball is hit when determining how often an out is recorded.

That leaves what side of the plate the batter hit from. Of the 29 balls that went as hits against Hosmer that the majority of other first baseman record an out, 83% of those plays came against left-handed hitters (or switch hitters hitting from the left-side). For the 15 plays 50% of other first baseman field that the Royals second baseman recorded the out, 14 came against LHH. That means 86% of the balls that Hosmer did not get to that most first baseman reach came against LHH.

Last season, Hosmer only recorded nine outs that less than 50% of first baseman recorded an out on. Four of those plays came against bunts, highlighting Hosmer's athleticism, but that means he only recorded five groundball outs others did not. This large difference in outs missed versus additional outs gained is hurting his UZR. After watching the plays a hit was charged against Eric, I reached two conclusions and one hypothesis.

  • Hosmer plays too close to the line, especially against lefties. 
  • Hosmer occasionally makes poor decisions in the field.
  • Hosmer may not see the ball off the bat well against lefties, or has less range than originally believed.

Today, I am going to address the most glaring and significant issue, playing close too close to the line. Early next week I will talk about the other two issues in a separate post; one proved to be too long and contain too many screen shots.

 

Playing too Close to the Line

This first conclusion is the one I feel most strongly about and has the most video evidence. Hosmer plays too close to the line, and I think it is a team-shift instead of a personal decision. On August 3rd, the Royals gave up a groundball to Matt Wieters that the data claims over 50% of first baseman record an out.

Wieters_-_royals_2_medium

Wieters hit a similar groundball against the Red Sox, but this time it was an out. The ball against the Red Sox was hit about two feet closer to Adrian Gonzalez (the AL leader in UZR), but you can see the position differences clearly.

Wieters_-_red_sox_medium

Gonzalez took one step to reach a groundball that Hosmer would have no chance of reaching in his position. Gonzalez is also able to reach the groundball Wieters hit against the Royals, since he appears to be around five feet farther away from the line. I also don't think Hosmer is choosing to play this close to the line. Look at this groundball against Mark Texeira. 

Texiera_medium

Hosmer is deep and close to the line, Chris Getz is closer to first base than normal second basemen and Alcides Escobar is basically in double-play depth for the leadoff hitter in the inning. One could argue this is a Royals shift against left-handed power hitters, but the fact that Hosmer's missed ground outs are an equal distribution between fast and slow hitters (not a perfect way to judge power, but still suggestive) makes me believe the Royals play almost all left-handed hitters to pull the ball. 

Brantley_-_1_medium

The above ground ball came against Michael Brantley, who owns a career .359 SLG and .094 ISO. Still, Hosmer is practically hugging the line and Johnny Giavotella is playing very far away from second. Hosmer is able to field this particular ball (but an out is not recorded...more on that next post), but their positioning is not normal positioning against a LHH.

Overall, I posted times for 14 of the 29 hits allowed against Hosmer that most first baseman record an out. In 10 of those 14 plays, positioning was the only problem I noticed that prevented Hosmer from recording an out. Since it appears the Royals are the one's positioning Hosmer and the rest of the defense, I think they are hurting themselves. Remember, Hosmer only reached five grounders that other first baseman reach and allowed 29 ground ball hits other do not. For context, each single with no runners on and zero outs is roughly worth .39 in run expectancy, meaning if all the hits were singles with no runners on (they weren't, but its a thought experiment), the run expectancy increased by 11.31. For this to even out in run expectancy, all of Hosmer's five defensive saving plays thanks to his positioning would have needed to come against a triples with the bases loaded and one out, which has a run expectancy of 2.23. The singles the Royals allowed last season by playing all or most lefties to pull ground balls is outweighing the benefits of not allowing extra-base hits and is hurting Eric Hosmer's defensive rating.

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Great job, Conor

Two things

1. You may have mentioned this (on a quick re-reading, I can’t find it, so my apologies if I missed it), but UZR and most fielding metrics make adjustments for batter handedness. Not saying it makes a difference for your analysis, just putting it out there.

2. More importantly, thank you for not putting a ton of browser-killing GIFs in the post.

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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 10, 2011 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

I didnt mention it, but I should have

And since I read most articles on my phone, there was no way I was going to post 5 .GIFs

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

don't worry about it

I’m hepped up on goofballs (cold medicine), so I’m pretty out of it and could have missed it.

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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 10, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It's worth noting

because LHBs consistently hit better than RHBs on balls in play. I’m sure there are some obvious reasons for that that I’m missing because I’m moron fielder — positioning, etc. I would also assume that from the first baseman’s position, with the hitter’s back to you, you aren’t going to see the ball as well off of the bat. Or something.

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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 10, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Obvious reason number 1.

It takes less time to get to first base.

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by BabyBlues on Nov 10, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if their xBABIP is higher too
because LHBs consistently hit better than RHBs on balls in play

Is there an advantage to hitting at the poor-fielding (relatively) 2B/1B rather than the SS/3B?

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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 10, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

great analysis

This is premium content, usually you have to pay for stuff like this and I’m sure it was a ton of work for both you and Jeff. Thanks especially for answering the obvious question about run expectancy at the end. That was building in my mind as I was reading and then bam! you close with it. Really nice.

I would like to see this same sort of analysis done for 2B though since it seems that the 2B is shifted towards the hole. Are the 15 plays the 2B made there plays that other 2B wouldn’t make? Does that help the run expectancy that is lost by Hosmer playing so close to the line? So many questions with every answer.

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by sfeldkamp on Nov 10, 2011 9:59 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

On the 2B data, it looks like the Royals 2B were decent at 2B

I am basing the data off of this list

The Royals 2B were 12th on plays out of their zone (OOZ). The are at the bottom of a group of teams. If the number of players was +/-5 they would be any where from 3rd to 14th.

The ended up 8th with making plays in their own zone.

There is no splits between RHH and LHH, but it does look like the 2B did decent at 2B

Here are numbers for each 2B
Name, % of plays made in zone, out of zone plays
Getz, 0.843, 28
Aviles, 0.808, 6
Gia, 0.795, 15

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 10, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

so we can now quantify "mistake-free"

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by buddyball on Nov 10, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Awesome work Connor. The run expectancy comments were very helpful for context.
I wonder if they will shift differently next year with Cain in the mix. I’m wondering if they shifted Frenchy to center and had Hosmer on the line to make up the difference.

by spamiam79 on Nov 10, 2011 10:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great post

Like sfeldkamp said, your hard work on this is really appreciated.

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by Dr. van Strijcker on Nov 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you

And this research is a welcome break from all of my required school research

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good work

More understanding now how this data is used.

by Fans-of Eric Hosmer on Nov 10, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Quote from The Book Blog
Great roll-up-sleeve work from everyone concerned.

That leaves what side of the plate the batter hit from. Of the 29 balls that went as hits against Hosmer that the majority of other first baseman record an out, 83% of those plays came against left-handed hitters (or switch hitters hitting from the left-side). For the 15 plays 50% of other first baseman field that the Royals second baseman recorded the out, 14 came against LHH. That means 86% of the balls that Hosmer did not get to that most first baseman reach came against LHH.

After watching the plays a hit was charged against Eric, I reached two conclusions and one hypothesis.

Hosmer plays too close to the line, especially against lefties.
Hosmer occasionally makes poor decisions in the field.
Hosmer may not see the ball off the bat well against lefties, or has less range than originally believed.
Just fantastic stuff, so thanks to Connor Moylan for the great work! Sabermetrics needs more people like Connor.

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By the way:
I prefer to show everyone the video, but that would break copyright laws and the MLB is strict on its video policies. If you have mlb.tv, I encourage you to look at the archives to see the plays yourself. For everyone else, the screen shots after the jump will hopefully suffice.

It would not break copyright laws. There’s something called "fair use". And, if you use the video as part of your own opinion or commentary (and the video is relevant), then copyright won’t apply. MLB simply scares people with their "no part can be rebroadcast without express permission".

I’m not a lawyer, so don’t proceed based on my opinion. Seek qualified legal counsel. But at the very least, don’t write that you WOULD be breaking a law. Just say "I don’t know", or "I’m too scared to try".

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 10, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

He's probably correct.

If you do a quick analysis of the factors (without going back and looking at some of the cases), it appears that this falls into fair use, although it doesn’t exactly align itself with an existing case. Anyway, that’s not the big issue here. The big issue would be MLB’s position of power compared to you.

by hawkinscm87 on Nov 10, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not a lawyer either (yet), and even if I was, I wouldn’t be practicing IP. At least I don’t think. Who knows…

by hawkinscm87 on Nov 10, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I really wonder if analysis of this depth and quality is commonplace in the Royals front office

Or do you think they just watch video and then go with their “guts” on how they’ll position infielders in 2012?

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 10, 2011 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

I hope they do

We will certainly see next year if they continue to employ this shift

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

to answer your question

Hosmer has dirt on his uniform, therefore he is playing just right.

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by buddyball on Nov 10, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess "any" covers a lot of ground

I would think that there is little doubt to the answer to this question.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you think they employ a secret sabermetric team that crunches UZR-like data and that the Royals then use that information to make defensive positioning decisions? If yes, what do you base that on? I can tell you what I base my opinion on.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that they have a stat team to work with field f/x data

And I know they’ve poured a ton of money into video systems and guys to run those.

I know that none of this affects your opinion.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

And so you think it isn’t a leap to say that Yost is using this data to determine how he positions fielders? I think it’s a big leap to say that Moore is using this data to evaluate fielding. It’s an even more massive leap to say that Yost is making positioning decisions based on that data.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I know Dayton Moore is a man of great piety and charity

So I had to consider very strongly the possibility that he hired all of these people merely to ensure that their families would still have food on the table.

But I ultimately decided that the fact that he hired them makes it probable that he intends to use their work to help the team.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

But I ultimately decided that the fact that he hired them makes it probable that he intends to use their work to help the team.

How, and to what degree? Player evaluation? Fielder positioning? If any, is it a big part of their decision making, or a small part? Do they merely dabble in this data and then “follow” it to the extent that it confirms their preconceived ideas? We certainly don’t know, but I think Moore’s statements and actions point us in a clear direction. Certainly arguing that because they employ people who work with that data, then the Royals FO and manager rely heavily on the data is without merit or support.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He hired people specifically to work with Field F/X data

and you said “I think it’s a big leap to say that Moore is using this data to evaluate fielding”

I don’t see the point in debating this with you. I know what you think, and I don’t think anyone is going to convince you otherwise.

My previous post was supposed to be funny, but it may have been too sarcastic. I apologize if it came off that way.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I’ll end by saying, it’s an open question what Moore has tasked these guys to do with Field f/x data. It is further an open question what Moore is doing with the data.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to extend a dying argument or anything...

But I feel like it would be good to point out that no layperson can EVER truly know how and to what extent the members of their front office use sabermetrics. The best things we have are guesses.

Seriously. Bill James may work for the Red Sox, but I can’t PROVE that Theo Epstein ever listened to him. I can assume it, based on their reputations and their public statements, but that’s about it.

Every front office is part of a privately-owned ballclub. The advanced statistical knowledge that teams acquire is proprietary information. If it has any value, it is guarded heavily. We will never know the truth.

These questions will always be open questions. So it’s okay if sometimes we make assumptions.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Certainly

But I think a front office’s transactions speak the loudest. Who did they sign, trade, release, etc.?

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We're not in disagreement on this, Scott

Our disagreement is nuanced, so try to follow it. You and I both think that the Royals do not make solid sabermetric decisions.

You think this is because Dayton likes to hire an office full of eggheads and ignore them.

I think this is because Dayton likes to hire an office full of eggheads, and doesn’t understand a word they say.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

You think this is because Dayton likes to hire an office full of eggheads and ignore them.
I think this is because Dayton likes to hire an office full of eggheads, and doesn’t understand a word they say.

I also want to tweak this by saying that I don’t think he hires an “office full of eggheads.” I think he routinely employs some consultants and few (if any) full-time statistical analysts.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Teams keep that stuff as secret as they can

So once again, it’s hard to know. But how many guys are really necessary for this kind of work?

I’d think the best model would be to pay for research on a case-by-case basis, but not keep more than one or two guys on the staff full-time.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Yost and Moore would say otherwise

I mean, who really knows what goes on in their heads at the end of the day, but Dayton isn’t going to allocate budget space for sabermetricians and then not use them at all.

The problem, as I see it, is that Dayton and Yost consistently TRY to use statistics to help the team improve, but they have no idea how to properly do so. As a result, they take small sample sizes out of context, largely ignore the role of luck in statistical variation from season to season, and overvalue older stats without understanding how new models can achieve better results.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure he uses them “at all.” I doubt he uses them much (beyond arbitration purposes). And I doubt Yost uses them at all.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Yost uses certain stats all the time

See my second paragraph above, but Yost has a long history of using SSS stats and ridiculous splits to try to gain minute advantages. It’s not smart, but he is using the stats that the eggheads cook up.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Sabermetrics are basically ignored by arbiters

Dayton would have to be a fool to structure an argument around sabermetrics in an arbitration hearing. They only care about counting stats and comparable players.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

But FO's use stats guys for arbitration

1) to put together their case for a hearing, and 2) to determine valuation based on comps. No, this does not involve deep sabermetrics, but you do need stats guys to crunch these numbers. Bill James did this as a consultat for years.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

And BTW, every year Moore does a great job of coming up with good arbitration settlements, so he and his people do a good job of crunching the numbers to find the comps, and convincing his players’ agents that X is a good number to agree to.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

If they don't go to arbitration...

then how do you know if the settlement was good or not? Based on your own analysis?

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but I certainly wouldn’t just go by my own estimates. I’ll read estimates from MLBTR, fangraphs and people like Gopherballs who have really looked at the comps (and add in my own swags). And year after year, player after player, Moore reaches settlements lower than just about any of the above.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually agree - he's great at it

But being a badass negotiator and understanding sabermetrics are often two different things.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you don’t need to understand sabermetrics; you just need to understand the arbitration system.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Bill James was overqualified for that job

But you’re right, most teams do. It’s just that when you get in front of an arbiter, it might not matter as much as you think.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The comps certainly matter to the arbiter

And that’s the tough part. You have to take all of the classic old school stats and compare them to players of the same position (or position group) with the same service time. You have to come up with statistical arguments and comps which are compelling both to an arbiter (in case you get to a hearing) and to the player’s agent (so you can avoid a hearing).

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The comps, not the sabermetrics, matter

And if the comps come from more traditional statistics, as you and I both think they do, then it’s irrelevant to this discussion.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

All I was saying by bringing up arbitration, that this is one area where is is clear from his successes, that he is using statistical analysis for this. Is it “sabermetrics”? Probably not, depending on your definition of the word. But it is statistical analysis which isn’t easy to do well. Even though it uses batting average instead of wOBA, finding the right comps based on those old school stats and getting the proper dollar numbers from that is not easy.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, I guess

I just tend to not give much credit when it’s the kind of statistical work that I could do myself.

by moregritplease on Nov 10, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW, Dayton Moore on defense and defensive stats:
The defensive statistics – I still really don’t understand how some of those statistics are evaluated, I really don’t. When you watch baseball games every single day, its very apparent who can play defensively and who can’t.
Certainly there are statistics that play a part of that, but defensive statistics are very misleading and unreliable … every statistician that I speak to will tell you that, including our own. Statistics are something to look at, but they are not the most important part of evaluating a player. You want defensive players that are very sure-handed, players that are instinctive to position themselves appropriately, players that are two or three steps ahead of a certain situation — that’s all part of the defensive player.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 10, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Good article

nice work. Another thing I have noticed is that he sets up too early for throws (making him reach at odd angles) and lets throws (and occasionally hits) get too close in on him.

Too many swipes and not enough old fashioned stretches. I am not sure of this can be analyzed like this but that is just my opinion. These things are coachable, though they should have already been coahed up in the minors.

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by KHAZAD on Nov 10, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Great post

I was under the impression that UZR screened out plays where a shift is put on. How extreme does positioning have to be adjusted for it to count as a shift? I ask because, in that clip from the Yankees game, it’s obvious that the Royals infield is adjusted from normal positions, and I thought UZR was supposed to screen out those team decisions in order to focus on the individual fielder’s contribution.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

I think they screen out the big shifts

But if the Royals almost always shift against lefties, they have to include these plays. It’s not an extreme shift, but noticeable

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Why do they have to include them?

I thought the whole point was to isolate what they player is doing and compare that to other players at his position. If a player switches to a team that always shifts for lefties, his individual defense doesn’t suddenly get worse, but it sounds like you’re saying his UZR would have to drop.

Of course, the broader point is that having to make these decisions makes these measurements more subjective and less objective.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Stuff from MGL on how he handles shifts. I would ask him at The Book Blog. He is likely to give a good explanation.

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/does_eric_hossmer_play_too_close_to_the_bag/

Yup, great work! Definitely work that a team should be doing. I doubt many teams do, though.

Someone asked about how UZR "screens" (ignores) shifts. BIS makes that determination. I assume only somewhat extreme shifts are included, but I am not sure.

The thing about playing too close to the line, like in a no doubles defense, is that you don’t get much benefit since much of the area in which you are improving your range is in foul territory!

IOW, with a lefty at the plate, even though they will (obviously) pull ground balls (almost all players pull ground balls) to the right side and you want all your fielders to shift to the right, the one fielder who should shift the least is the first baseman because once you get a certain distance from the line, there is no reason to shift any more since you are going to field most balls hit down the line anyway.

There is one thing that makes video analysis of UZR data problematic. Any ball that is not fielded, on the average, is going to be further away from a fielder than the recorded location suggests.

Let’s say that you have 100 balls recorded in slice "X" and 50 of them were caught and 50 of them were not. The ones that were caught were, on average, more toward the fielder than the ones that were not. In fact, even if we use the exact (according to the stringer’s estimate of course) location (rather than the "slice"), we would have the same phenomenon. If those 100 balls were recorded at exactly 20 feet from the first base line, the ones that were caught would average 19 feet and the ones that would not would average 21 (numbers made up).

Same with speed. Even if all 100 of those were classified as medium speed, the ones that were caught would be softer hit than the ones that were not. And the ones that were not caught would have had more tricky bounces and spin, etc.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 10, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Jeff, good suggestion

I’ll try to do that this evening.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

On the whole Lefty thing,

what % of ground balls to first are hit by Lefties, especially at that speed? May be a simple explanation to account for why there were more off LH bats and not RH.

by play4'ships on Nov 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

so then

we’re to assume that this is mainly a coaching thing in that the Royals are choosing to guard the lines and protect from a double while willingly giving up a single more often?

I wonder how more often a ball is hit between the first and second baseman than it is hit down the line. It would seem more than 2 to 1 which would make this a poor idea, in that giving up 2 singles would be worse than 1 double since they might happen back to back.

Lots of interesting questions from this.

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on Nov 10, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Based on last season, the number of balls hit down the line most first baseman don't reach anyways is small

The run expectancy values show how poor of trade the Royals are making. And I think it is mainly a coaching thing; if Hosmer was doing it by himself, I don’t believe all of the other defenders would be shifted as well

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it at all possible that Hosmer is playing so close to the line

because of the ability of our OF? Something like Frenchy plays closer to center because Melky isn’t great in CF… This seems far fetched, but not impossible.

by blakestein on Nov 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

Its certainly possible

I really don’t know why they had this shift, and we probably will never really know. Just educated guesses

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good article.
These plays did not hurt Hosmer’s UZR rating,

In fact, they helped his rating – a 0 for 0 is better than a 0 for 1. The question is whether they helped more than the average 2B would, and it appears probably not (based on JZ’s comment).

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 10, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

Nice job

Best explanation I’ve seen. This would be worth putting on the main SB Nation baseball site.

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by Juancho on Nov 10, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you

I would be all for it appearing on the main site, but I think I’m biased

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It will be very interesting to see how field f/x data compares to the BIS data

I was at first surprised that the Gonzalez ball was in the same zone as the Hosmer ball, but then I realized that even if the balls are correctly plotted, these UZR zones are 9 feet wide, which covers an awful lot of balls of varying difficulty.

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

It was hard to find a perfect comparison, especially against the same batter

But I thought the ground balls were close enough to prove a point. Also, the Hosmer ball is deeper, which makes it seem farther away.

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

You did a fantastic job. I didn't mean that to be criticism of your work at all

I posted mainly because I was surprised that the zones are 9 feet wide, and because the different camera angles from behind home plate make the stringers job comparing park to park

by KSinDC on Nov 10, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

my obvious question:

How many 1B get to those groundballs in the hole if they start positioned where Hosmer is starting?

by Bart41 on Nov 10, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

I really have no idea

and I don’t think there is a good way to answer that question. My guess is very few, if any. This is meant to be more of an indictment of where the Royals have positioned him, not his actual range

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

so we're thinking...

above average range, below average positioning at best?

by Bart41 on Nov 10, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Great work

Now, if only someone could convince the Royals to do some analysis along these veins…

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by loyal2sdad on Nov 10, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

They certainly don't have to do too much extra research on this one.

I feel confident that people within the organization, probably at a low level, do see things like this. At the least, I hope it inspires them. Just not sure how some of these ideas make their way into the dugout…

by hawkinscm87 on Nov 10, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Great job of research

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by cmkeller on Nov 10, 2011 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

Yes I did

It made me way more excited than it should have. I’ve been overwhelmed by how positive this has been received

by Connor Moylan on Nov 10, 2011 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

it's good stuff.

You deserve it.

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on Nov 10, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

defensive metrics are a reach,,,literaly

no accurate criteria can be developed to specifically measure range etc. unless laser measurements used with ball speed etc. Just stats being stretched beyond reasonable value

by its coming on Nov 10, 2011 10:20 PM EST reply actions  

Even though you've made a good, well-argued, well-evidenced case,

it’s odd that the baseball professionals who run the recent-World-Series-participants and best-defense-in-MLB Tampa Bay Rays completely disagree with you.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 11, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

nor should we even try.

unless we have lasers.

Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Nov 11, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

great work

excellent blend of scouting and stats to help provide a complete picture…well done.

Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 10, 2011 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

This Is Analysis

Done right.

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by philofthenorth on Nov 11, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

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