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Worst part of draft bonus system in new CBA is that teams can lose future picks for spending too much. Hurts low-revenue teams the most.

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Nice to see Bud taking on the duel problems of exciting playoff races AND small-market teams trying to better themselves this week. One step closer to a slotting utopia!

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This sounds bad

but we really need to see the final exact details before we know the full implications.

by Gopherballs on Nov 18, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

I have defended Bud for a long time... Been a futile attempt.

But this will more than make me hate Bud. This is going to fuck small market teams

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by averagegatsby on Nov 18, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

has anyone heard whether international spending will be effected?

if not, what’s stopping teams from just redirecting the money they allocate for the draft to the international budget?

by ams5661 on Nov 18, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

Does anyone know

Will the cap for everyone be the same or will teams that draft higher/have more picks get more leeway? If you have the top pick and you have a Stephen Strasburg-type, you’re bascially f-ed, as you’ll have to blow your entire wad on him. Or if you’re the Jays and you have eleventy billion picks in the first three rounds, you’re kinda f-ed too. This seems bad on several levels.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 18, 2011 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

I did read somewhere that it will vary depending on draft position

But I haven’t seen any finer details. Let’s hope that this is getting blown out of proportion, and nothing changes.

by royal_in_cincinnati on Nov 18, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

That assumes that the system doesn't actually succeed

In holding down bonuses. I think it’s designed to give teams a harder bargaining position. You can tell a kid, look, you can hold out, but the next team is going to be in the same boat. Absent getting drafted higher, you’re just delaying you’re career.

It will be hard for truly elite talent to fall outside the top 10 rounds too.

by WURoyal on Nov 18, 2011 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe for 8th rounders

But I can’t see any team saying “Okay Stephen Strasburg, why don’t you go back in the draft!”

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

And I believe a teams cap will be increased of they have comp picks

Based on the slot recommendation for their comp pick.

This prevents the overslot signs, but it probably prevents a lot of kids from artificially demanding overslot bonuses. If I’m the league, I tell teams to draft as much talent as They can as early as they can. If everyone does that, then kids will have to acquiesce to smaller bonuses.

by WURoyal on Nov 18, 2011 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Or the HS kids will just go to college.

It doesn’t ever seem like the college kids require WAY over slot bonuses. But it has definitely helped the Royals in the 3-8 rounds to get HS kids for over slot money. Keep them from going to college.

by royal_in_cincinnati on Nov 18, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Only so many can accept college scholarships

D1 teams only have 13 for the whole team, I believe.

Some kids will choose to go to college. Some kids want to go to college. It will hurt the ability of kids to view college as a place where they can drastically increase their bonus offer (unless the kid falls in the draft anyway). If people in the first ten rounds can’t command overslot money, it will decrease the financial incentive to go to college unless they drastically improve their draft position. Also, if the very best players are getting paid less, it makes the pro’s more financially appealing from the outset.

by WURoyal on Nov 18, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

NCAA D-I Scholarships

The maximum number of scholarships a D-I program can offer is 11.7. Most D-I programs are not fully funded and those teams have to make due with four or six scholarships.

The end result is that very few, really very few NCAA baseball players have full scholarships. I would be surprised if two players at KU have 100% scholarships.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Nov 18, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll all do better when we stop thinking that Bud is going to help out small teams

Just because he is from Milwaukee, he is the Commish. He is about making money for the owners especially the large market teams.

I do think any kind of slotting will keep some of the HS guys from baseball. They will go to other sports when the lure of bigger bonuses might have had them consider baseball.

by daveyork on Nov 18, 2011 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think anyone expects Selig to help small market teams

But that doesn’t keep us from criticizing him when he screws small market teams. We’re not pissed off because we’re surprised by Selig’s action. We’re pissed off because we’re getting screwed.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 18, 2011 8:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We are the 99%

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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 18, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What other sports will they go to? NBA is dead and has a rookie salary cap. NFL is good money if you’re like the top 5 picks, but if you’re a 6th round pick in the NFL you aren’t even guaranteed a roster spot, let alone a bonus.

by seelztlb on Nov 19, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Especially since HS kids can’t enter the NFL or NBA drafts. You might have a Bubba Starling out there, but the number of baseball players who could be drafted in the NFL is fairly low and the number of baseball players who could be drafted in the NBA is almost nil.

by seelztlb on Nov 19, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

College football?

The pay there can be quite nice.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Bud Selig is an idiot

He’s in charge of a sport that has been dying in popularity among most casual sports fans and he’s only made it worse. Thank God he’s done after 2012. Let’s hope they have someone in mind to take his spot that could actually do some good for the sport. We are only about 15-20 years behind the other sports in terms of salary caps and parity. But, of course, this moron has to be in charge of the new CBA before he leaves.

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by royaldaddy on Nov 19, 2011 1:05 AM EST reply actions  

attendance continues to grow under bud...

just b/c it cant compete with the juggernaut of the NFL/fantasy football league doesnt mean baseball’s popularity is waning.

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by billybeingbilly on Nov 19, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

This might make it more difficult for the Royals to do what they’re doing, but the fact of the matter is they were taking advantage of a loophole in the system. I think this is a good compromise between the Hobbesian state of nature that the draft is now and hard slotting.

This actually helps small market teams because someone like the Yankees could get even more talent if they just decided to start dumping money in the draft.

It still gives you the ability to pay over slot, but it forces you to do it strategically and, as an above poster pointed out, takes away kids options to demand huge bonuses just because they can.

Think about Aaron Crow. Does Aaron Crow turn down the #4 pick or whatever he was for the Nats to come back next year and get….roughly the same amount of money. It actually increases the risk (financially) of a HS kid going to college unless its the difference between round 30 money and round 1 money (which from what I’ve read this only affects rounds 1-10 anyway).

The reality is, unless you have a Bubba Starling like situation, I don’t think this is going to substantially alter any player’s mindset going into the draft. I would suspect, just thinking about the psychology of an 18 year-old kid, they’re either going to go to college or they’re not, and this system won’t affect that decision for most kids, it just means they get less money, which actually helps small market teams.

by seelztlb on Nov 19, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

wouldn't a possible solution be, then

to limit a team’s spending in proportion to how much revenue they generate?

for example, the more money you get in revenue sharing, the more you can spend on the draft

by ams5661 on Nov 20, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This actually helps small market teams because someone like the Yankees could get even more talent if they just decided to start dumping money in the draft.

Even if they do, they are still constrained by draft position. The draft is an equalizer of sorts for small market teams, and the fact that large market teams don’t fully invest in it gives teams like the Royals an even better advantage.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

how big of a difference is there between guy number 100 and guy number 125 in the draft?

this really only seems to matter in the first and maybe the 2nd round

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Nov 21, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

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