Based solely on AL Central 2011 xFIPs...
...how do the Royals compete in the AL Central in 2012?
Tigers xFIP
Verlander 3.12
Scherzer 3.70
Porcello 4.02
Penny 4.77
Fister 2.75
Total: 18.36
Indians xFIP
Masterson 3.64
Tomlin 4.03
Carmona 4.17
Ubaldo 3.81
Carrasco 4.07
Total: 19.72
White Sox xFIP
Buehrle 3.98
Floyd 3.81
Danks 3.82
Peavy 3.52
Sale 3.00
Total: 18.13
Royals xFIP
Hochevar 4.05
Chen 4.68
Paulino 3.74
Sanchez 4.36
Crow 3.34
Total: 20.17
Twins xFIP
Pavano 4.14
Duensing 4.05
Blackburn 4.32
Baker 3.61
Liriano 4.52
Total: 20.64
Switch Duffy for Crow, and it gets even worse for the Royals. And it's likely that Aaron Crow's xFIP would be much higher as a starter. Of course, this is using 2011 xFIPs and thus is a very crude estimation. But it puts the Royals in 4th in the AL Central.
What this says is that the Royals did not improve the starting rotation, which was priority #1 this offseason. Adding Jonathan Sanchez is not enough…in fact, it made our rotation worse from a xFIP perspective (switching Sanchez for Francis).
These Royals starters do not strike fear into the heart of opponents like the starters on other teams. How many of them would you draft in a fantasy baseball draft? Maybe a late round flyer on Paulino? Maybe Sanchez for some K’s? That’s about it. We still need a big impact starter. You have to go through 34 AL starters ranking in WAR before you get to the first Royals starter:
Sabathia 7.1 WAR
Verlander
Haren
Wilson
Weaver
Fister
Hernandez
Masterson
Shields
McCarthy
Price
Beckett
Harrison
Lester
Holland
Floyd
Ogando
Gonzalez 3.5 WAR
Humber
Morrow
Buehrle
Pineda
Santana
Danks
Jackson
Peavy
Colon
Romero
Pavano
Scherzer
Porcello
Baker
Nova
Paulino 2.6 WAR
This must change. Back when the Royals were in the playoffs, we had great starting pitching (Splitt, Leonard, Busby, Gura, Saberhagen, Gubicza, Liebrandt, Gordon, Black, etc.)
I just don’t see how we can compete with what we have now…nothing is going to change, even if we have a great hitting team, we won’t have the starting pitching to compete in 2012.
I hold out hope, though, by Dayton Moore's final sentence in the Bruce Chen KC Star story, "It’s a matter of getting the right guys. And we’re not done. We’re still looking to add another pitcher.” Let's hope that pitcher has the ability to post a higher WAR and better xFIP than Felipe Paulino, our best starter from 2011.
Thoughts?
David
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If it makes you feel better,
Moore has said he is still looking to add a SP to the mix. Now, we all know it will probably be someone only roughly as good as Sanchez – but if he were to somehow add one starter who was actually better than Sanchez (in other words, a true #1 or #2), then the team might have an outside chance at contention (say 1—20% chance of winning the division?). The team would need to make up the remaining difference from the rotations by having a superior bullpen (very possible), superior defense (possible), and superior offense (entirely possible)
If strikeouts are indeed fascist - then find me some starters that believe in fascism
read the last paragraph of the post, where I acknowledge Moore's admission about still looking for another SP
Dayton called me this morn
and told me “off the record” that the final pitcher he will add is Yu somebody……I can’t remember the last name, some foreign kid….I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’
by Bronzillo on Nov 27, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That just sounds like the set-up for one of Bart Simpson's calls into Moe's Tavern.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Nov 27, 2011 2:31 AM EST up reply actions
Has the team even posted Darvish?
Can’t bid on him until he’s for sale, right?
Other teams problems
I think the Royals rotation has a shot at being as good as the White Sox. Buehrle is gone, Sale won’t post a 3.00 xFIP as a starter, although you can probably plug Humber in for Buehrle and have roughly the same number so maybe they will be as good. I don’t think Fister and Tomlin will be as good next year but I could be wrong, especially about Fister who seems to be getting better and better. So nevermind, Royals probably are still 4th heh heh.
Fantasy Drafts
To expand on my own post a bit, I would draft the following AL Central pitchers in a fantasy draft (in this order):
Verlander
Fister
Ubaldo
Sale
Masterson
Buerhle
Baker
Scherzer
That’s about it. I might be tempted to draft Jonathan Sanchez, but I’d probably pass because I value WHIP pretty highly in a fantasy draft.
So, while an analysis of the AL Central pitchers that would go drafted in a fantasy draft may not be the proper gauge of the Royals chances in 2012, I believe it tells you the dire straits we are still in. Gone are the days when the Royals strength was its starting pitching and numerous starting pitchers would go in a fantasy draft (Grienke, Appier, Saberhagen, Cone, Gordon, Gubicza).
David
If you're in a keeper league, I think Jacob Turner has to be on that list.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Nov 26, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Hochevar
His splits based on the second half were very solid. Obviously never going to live up to the hype but if he can be a borderline true No. 2 starter I think the fan base can accept that.
I have a very poorly formatted chart of every player's WAR in the AL Central
I would post it, but it is in Word and won’t format right—I would e-mail it to someone who knows what is up, but don’t know who that would be. If I can take anything from that data, it would be “xFIP and fWAR do not tell a complete tale.” The White Sox had an fWAR that would add to 89 wins—mostly because fWAR (the one that heavily considers xFIP) is not as reliable if all pitchers are above average but not great.
It also fails to balance offense and defense. The best end-game stat is one of the simplest: pythagorean. Runs scored, runs surrendered. Easy end game. xFIP SHOULD judge the surrendered part, but does not consider defense. Then throw in runs scored—NOW judge the division.
If Hochevar goes 2nd half all year, Duffy develops, Chen continues above his peripherals (as Klaasen once suggested on FG Moyer style), Paulino stays even, and Sanchez pitches his xFIP…the Royals have a competitive rotation, and need to count on offensive development. Given the known curve of age and production, such a guess is entirely reasonable. Not a lock, or even something to reasonably bet on—but reasonably competitive for the division.
Use PrtScrn to take a screen capture and turn it into a picture
Then post the picture here.
I was at dinner with my brother-in-law last week
And he’s the perfect picture of the Royals Facebook fan. Last year at the beginning of the season he thought the Royals were going to the playoffs. When I pointed out that we had no starting pitching, and we’d eventually come back to earth he wasn’t buying it.
At dinner, I was stupid enough to bring up how much I hated the Bruce Chen signing and he was having none of it. Thought it was a great signing, and that the Royals were going to do great this year. I asked him about our starting pitching problems, and he said that Moore is going to sign someone really good. I asked who this magical pitcher might be, but he had no answer and conversation was over.
I mean, I didn’t push it, trying to pop the bubble of an enthusiastic Royals fan is like kicking a puppy. Continued ignorance just irritates me for some reason though.
by KansasCowboy on Nov 27, 2011 8:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Isn't total FIP merely the sum of a bunch of percentages?
Wouldn’t the average xFIP, weighted by innings pitched, be a more accurate indicator of the rotation’s ability?
And is FIP really all that significant? I know RA (without the E) depends partly on the defense behind the pitcher, but part of his job is to get batters to hit balls weakly that the fielders can get to easily. FIP doesn’t take any of that into account. It’s an interesting stat, but it’s not the only stat.
I’m an amateur. You guys who really know about stats can correct me. Then I’ll correct your grammar and we’ll be even.
"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."
You're right
But in this case, all the stats tell the same story. The Royals rotation needs improvement.
Oh, yeah, there's no doubt about that
"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."
Does no one think Hochevar's 2nd half is indicative of his "troo potential?"
"You're like that guy who wrote that thing about remembering stuff!!"
- Crow T. Robot
I sure hope so
One more lousy season and it’s time to cut Hochevar loose.
"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."

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