2011 Qualified SPs with a BB/9 greater than Aaron Crow's 4.5 BB/9

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6 months ago Jeff Zimmerman 55 comments 3 recs |

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Crow to the rotation!

I'm glad he spent the year in the bullpen where he could really work on his control.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 30, 2011 4:14 PM EST reply actions

So, you're saying this bodes well for Aaron's future as a starter?

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 30, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions

His lack of an even decent third pitch was much discussed as an impediment to him being an effective starter

But his control is another big problem that got too little attention.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 30, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions

Whatever

All the haters can suck it:

BOOM

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 30, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs

To be fair

He has 4 pitches. Two of them he can’t control. The other two are Jersey Shore out of control.

by WURoyal on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I've got seven pitches

The problem is they all stink.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 30, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions

I agree it matters that he cant control them but stuff means potential. Obviously it’s a long shot, but it’s not coming out of nowhere. The report on the stuff are good. I haven’t read reports where people are saying the pitches are bad, they just aren’t consistent at all.

I really hope he can figure some things out.

by WURoyal on Nov 30, 2011 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Specifically, where have you heard they were actually bad pitches, as opposed to pitches he couldn’t control (which are bad pitches but it appears you’re saying his curve and change are actually bad. I’ve always heard they were good).

by WURoyal on Nov 30, 2011 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

BA’s prospect handbook says that his changeup was in the upper 80’s. That’s not much of a velocity differential. That’s a bad change, even if you can locate it well. And I believe I’ve heard that movement on his curve has been inconsistent. Sometimes great break, sometimes not so much. But I can’t quote a source on that.

But also, if you persistently can’t control a curve and change, they are bad pitches.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 30, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions

Is there any reason he throws his hand and arm way behind before he goes to throw?

Jersey just got colder

by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 5:14 PM EST reply actions

Is that related to the "wrist-wrap" that he has, that no one really likes, but the Royals reportedly are ok with?

Don’t know. Others here know more about pitching mechanics than I do.

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 30, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions

I think were talking about the same thing

I think his timing is off with is arm coming in late, so he has to rush his arm…That causes the wildness

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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions

and has been linked to injuries if I remember correctly.

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Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Nov 30, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions

inverted "W"

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on Nov 30, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions

Does anyone know why the hell this isn't just called an "M" delivery?

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions

inverted "W" is way cooler

I suppose it also implies that it is wrong to do

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by buddyball on Nov 30, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions

I Had An

Orange tomcat with the M on his forehead. He was way cool.

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by philofthenorth on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions

Found this with a quick search (I'm not saying anything about the source though)

I’m listening to the MLB draft and heard two things mentioned about Aaron Crow.
First, an analyst just came on and talked about how scouts are focused on the hook in Aaron Crow’s wrist as his major mechanical red flag. I believe that people’s focus on Aaron Crow’s hooked wrist reflects an unfortunately common lack of understanding of pitching mechanics.
Aaron Crow’s main problem is his significant Inverted L, and the negative impact it has on his timing, not the hook in his wrist.
Second, I just heard it mentioned that Aaron Crow has a good slider. As you know, I hate the slider and think it is very bad for the elbow due to the high-speed supination. Combine that with his Inverted L and I wonder how long his elbow (and ultimately his shoulder) will hold up.

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Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Dec 1, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions

That sounds like it was written by a crazy

by kcdc1 on Dec 1, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions

Scobee at KoK could probably answer this

Or 306008.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 1, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions

Lots of MLB pitchers have unique or unorthodox deliveries

Maybe it’s natural, maybe he did it on purpose…causes deception and makes it hard to pick up the ball out of his hand. Which makes it easier to get hitters out

by Loose Seal on Nov 30, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions

Does anyone in our bullpen have a "normal delivery"

Coleman, Collins, Crow

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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 8:55 PM EST up reply actions

@@ron ¢row does it because Ke$ha likes it when he does it.

by Peoria Chique on Nov 30, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Ke$ha Likes

It when anyone does it.

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by philofthenorth on Dec 1, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions

So...Aaron Crow would've been the greatest SP in 2011, right?

by Loose Seal on Nov 30, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions

Who are five people who have never been in my kitchen.

by Peoria Chique on Nov 30, 2011 7:09 PM EST reply actions

You're stealing my material

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by philofthenorth on Dec 1, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

Jack Marsh is working on a "Trade Clint Robinson for Ellipsis" fanpost.

by OnixConcepcion on Nov 30, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions 4 recs

Throw in David Lough in a package for both

.. and ….

by Dadunca on Nov 30, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions

And Half Of

The Wilmington roster.

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by philofthenorth on Dec 1, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions

WHY CAN'T I SCROLL NEW COMMENTS

ARRRRR

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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 8:41 PM EST reply actions

same problem

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Nov 30, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions

We need Wil(l) now

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by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions

Fixed, I think

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by Scott McKinney on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions

Yep

Jon Broxton and Jeff Francoeur walk into a bar

by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions

I blame Obama

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by buddyball on Nov 30, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions

I blame those dang hippies and their long hair

Jon Broxton and Jeff Francoeur walk into a bar

by tiquanunderwear on Nov 30, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions

Hey

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Nov 30, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions

Hey, Jeff

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 1, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions

Hey, Jeff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPghtYi6NN8

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 1, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions

Hey, Jeff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPghtYi6NN8

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 1, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions

Or

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 1, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions

Tim Lacy?

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions

TucsonRoyal?

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by buddyball on Dec 1, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions

yep.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 1, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions

Something is wrong with my browser.

I can’t read the five names on Jeff’s list.

by Black and Gold on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 PM EST reply actions

sarcasm?

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 1, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions

Excellent

both for content and presentation.

by Gopherballs on Dec 1, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions

I guess Aaron Crow could net us someone like Ianetta?

Chatwood, 21, posted a 4.75 ERA with 4.7 K/9, 4.5 BB/9 and a 47% ground ball rate in 142 innings as a rookie for the Angels this past season.

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by CollininCalifornia on Dec 1, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Chatwood is awful

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 1, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions

This is crap

If Jonathan Sanchez wouldn’t have gotten hurt, he would have blown Crow out of the water. 5.9 bitches!!!

by Tito42 on Dec 1, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions

Thank god we don't have to deal with him on the staff.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 1, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions

If you run BB/9 for all pitchers

The highest for a pitcher with more than 50 IP was Tim Collins.
The highest for a pitcher with more than 100 IP was Jonathon Sanchez.
Broxton was at 6.4 in limited time.
Duffy is at 4.36
Wood is over 4 as well at 4.13.

Good luck Dave Eiland!

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by KHAZAD on Dec 4, 2011 3:48 AM EST reply actions

Hopefully

Their rates will improve, but if they made Crow a starter….

Given their 2011 rates, with 150 innings apiece for Duffy, Crow and Sanchez, and 60 for Broxton, Collins, and Wood, this would lead to 367 walks in 630 innings. That would require a BB/9 rate of 2.08 from the rest of the staff simply to better the team’s 2011 walk total, which was the highest in the league. Last year, Jeff Francis was the only pitcher on the staff to better that rate.

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by KHAZAD on Dec 4, 2011 6:53 AM EST reply actions

The 2011 Crow decision is water under the bridge

This may be naive/wishful thinking – but I really think Crow will be a starter this year – in Omaha. Sure, Royals should have done that last year, but better late than never? If it doesn’t work out (assuming he doesn’t get hurt), they can always move him back to the pen as a last resort.

Reason I think this – the Broxton acquisition, combined with the apparent readiness of Kelvin Herrerra, affords Moore the luxury of sending Crow down to see if he can develop as a starter, something he (right or wrong) didn’t think he could afford to do last off season.

Remember, Moore cares just as much about incremental improvements in the KC W-L record, even those that could take you from upper 60 wins to low 70 wins. (Again, not agreeing with that – just saying that’s how the man rolls)

If strikeouts are indeed fascist - then find me some starters that believe in fascism

by loyal2sdad on Dec 8, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions