#Royals/#BlueJays deep into talks for Soria. Royals love D'Arnaud. He's a Top 50 MiLB prospect. ...

#Royals/#BlueJays deep into talks for Soria. Royals love D'Arnaud.

He's a Top 50 MiLB prospect. And a Catcher.

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This was like 4 hours ago.

I can’t believe no one put it up here. From Sickels.

1) Travis D’Arnaud, C, Grade B+: Borderline A-: He would be an A- or maybe even an A if he was more effective at throwing out runners and struck out less often, but he can really hit and is still a superior prospect even with those weaknesses.

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by 306008 on Dec 18, 2011 11:31 PM EST reply actions

If this is an option, do it. D’Arnaud will hit. If he improves defensively then he will possibly take the job from Salvador. If Sal never hits, then this is our next starting catcher. Either way, to have both up in the bigs at some point next year would be sweet. If we get TdA we let him mature in Omaha and give Sal the chance to show he can hit.

I would assume we get an arm that’s really far away also if we did this deal. But who knows.

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by 306008 on Dec 18, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions

The question is

Can he play other positions?
If Sal hits remotely well, then it would probably be better to keep him back there for his defense.
In which case the question is what other positions can D’Arnaud play? Is he a cOF guy? Can he play second? Or is he a C/1B/DH type?
If we moved Myers to the OF because of what we think about Perez, why go out and acquire another C? Why not Marisnick or one of the Blue Jays supposedly very good pitching prospects?

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by RoyalPug on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions

Myers wasn't moved because of Sal

he was moved because his bat advanced beyond his catching

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by sfeldkamp on Dec 19, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions

if Moore got D'Arnaud

i might break the internets in half

by BeauJackson on Dec 18, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions

I'd like it

Soria’s contract isn’t a huge steal anymore, and his performance last year casts some doubt on his future. Seems like a good value trade.

by kcdc1 on Dec 18, 2011 11:42 PM EST reply actions

Meaning: It's a good time to...

…buy low on Soria.

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by timlacy on Dec 19, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

This would be a very good deal

Blue Jays seem to be in “were gonna be good and we need a closer to put us over the top” stage…….I would take this in a heartbeat.

BFIB

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 PM EST reply actions

I would take it if it were D'Arnaud or maybe someone like Drabek or Henderson Alvarez.

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by Jack Marsh on Dec 19, 2011 12:04 AM EST reply actions

Travis D'Arnaud =

Radar Diva Nuts
Radar Avid Nuts
Data Darn Virus
A David Arts Urn
A Avid Ran Turds

… and much more.

by KyleM on Dec 19, 2011 12:05 AM EST reply actions

This is the type of information I contribute to RR.

Bet you’re all glad that no stone gets left unturned.

by KyleM on Dec 19, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs

Amen.

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by Warden11 on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 AM EST up reply actions

Radar Diva Nuts is pretty good.

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by Jack Marsh on Dec 19, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions

But what about SUPER PEN?

by Dadunca on Dec 19, 2011 12:13 AM EST reply actions

Dayton Moore is a compulsive liar.

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by Jack Marsh on Dec 19, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions

I get to some degree you got to get the best of whatever you can get...

But I would think Catcher is the position of least need…. Because even if Perez sucks at the plate, it sounds like GMDM will have him back there purely for his defense.

I’ve got to admit I find it to be a little bit of a head scratcher.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 AM EST reply actions

Even if Perez sticks, we still need another catcher.

I love the idea of an offensive catcher. I believe that defensive catchers are overvalued generally, because most “defensive” catchers are merely average defenders and some, perhaps many “offensive” catchers are average defenders as well. Anyway, I think you take this trade. If Perez hits and D’Arnaud hits, then you’ve got 2 great options. And let’s not forget that people get injured and people fail.

by hawkinscm87 on Dec 19, 2011 3:36 AM EST up reply actions

Rewind yourself

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 19, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs

Stomach turning

by 102win on Dec 20, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions

Yes please

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 AM EST reply actions

This would be a great move

A catcher who can hit is a great asset. I dont believe he’ll steal the job from Perez, but it gives you a bench bat/DH option if he’s the backup. Good for the post-Billy Royals.

Or flip him as the centerpiece of a deal. But I believe the Royals will need to maintain a high percentage of players who will be making the minimum or in the first 1/2 years of arbitration. This guy would be a great candidate for a Mike Napoli type of role. Wonder if he can play OF?

by WURoyal on Dec 19, 2011 1:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions

Or 1B.

A Carlos Santana-type flexibility.

by hawkinscm87 on Dec 19, 2011 3:38 AM EST up reply actions

1B should be well occupied here

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 19, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions

Hmm...

Would be a great return, but it doesn’t address the massive hole in our rotation..

by Loose Seal on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs

Soria isn't bringing Ricky Romero or Brandon Morrow.

So uh… since you aren’t going to address the massive hole either way, why not get the best talent you can. Sort of like the draft. Drafting based on need is the best way to lose out on the best talent. So yeah.

by hawkinscm87 on Dec 19, 2011 3:41 AM EST up reply actions

I think Dayton should try to package Soria to get a quality SP

Package deals are always more difficult to negotiate, but there’s plenty of time, we have plenty of trade chips, and there is some demand for Soria. If we miss out on D’Arnuad because the Blue Jays sign someone else and we have to have Soria pitch for us again next year for a reasonable salary, it doesn’t really hurt the team.

If Soria was blocking someone, then I’d be more eager to jump on the first good offer (like the Melky trade). But Soria and Butler are our two biggest trade chips left [assuming that 1) we are trying to lock up Gordon, 2) the good young guys are untouchable], and we need SPs, so I think we need to see if a Soria package can get us what we need. Otherwise, I don’t see how we’re going to get it.

by Loose Seal on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions

We have to improve the rotation

But each individual deal has to be done to maximize value. Given the market for relievers if we could do this deal I’d be satisfied. It cuts salary. Addresses an area where we lack organizational depth. And d’Anraud is a great prospect. If Sal’s bat doesn’t play all that well, Sal can backup

by WURoyal on Dec 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Best player available

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 19, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions

Maybe at the catcher position

You need to look at needs at some point…if we traded Soria for a major league ready 1B/DH or an outfielder, that wouldn’t do us much good.

by Loose Seal on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions

Haven't we been bashing DM for years based on only trading for needs?

It greatly limits any potential trade partners. Like the draft, I think you should always draft the best player/talent available.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions

And before Dayton as well

Look at the Damon, Dye and Beltran trades.

by thelaundry on Dec 19, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions

Of all teams, why are the Blue Jays looking for a closer? Seems random.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 AM EST reply actions

Because Frank Francisco?

by hawkinscm87 on Dec 19, 2011 3:42 AM EST up reply actions

One could do worse.

A team consistently finishing in the fourth of its division and not yet primed to break out shouldn’t be throwing money at closers.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 19, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions

They just got Sergio Santos

I agree, it does seem odd.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 19, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions

And Frank Francisco just signed with Mets.

1. Poor Mets fans; 2. Not so odd anymore.

by hawkinscm87 on Dec 19, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions

I don't buy it

Doesn’t seem like an AA kind of move to trade a top positional prospect for a reliever. That said, I would love it if it happened. The Jays prefer Holland and I would not hesitate to offer Holland for D’Arnaud. D’Arnaud was voted the #15 overall prospect in baseball over at Minor League Ball (higher than any of the guys in the Latos trade) and there is always demand for catching.

by nwroyal on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM EST reply actions