Royals Inexplicably Bring Back Yuniesky Betancourt with One-Year Deal
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 4:05 PM EST
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PrintThe Royals satisfied their search for a backup shortstop today, bringing back former Royals favorite Yuniesky Betancourt with a one-year contract. Terms are not yet disclosed. Betancourt, who played with the team from 2009-2010, hit .252/.271/.381 with 13 HR and 68 RBI last year for the Brewers, good for 0.5 Wins Above Replacement (per Fangraphs).
The 29-year old Betancourt hit .253/.282/.384 in 222 games with the Royals after being acquired for pitchers Dan Cortes and Derrick Saito. He was dealt just over one year ago to the Brewers with Zack Greinke in exchange for outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar, and pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress.
This could be the prelude to a major deal. You never know with Dayton. He is crafty like a fox.
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Seriously.
I’m recommending this post for the stupidity of it all. At least he’s coming back as a back-up.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
They're going to need a deep bullpen
With guys like Jonathan Sanchez taking the mound. Still possible Getz will be out the door or sucking down Runzas in Omaha.
There's a Runza in Lawrence; I never stopped there when I went to KU.
It just didn’t look appetizing.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 20, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
there burgers are pretty good, fries are great
don’t eat the Runzas
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Brilliant business model.
Be sure to ask me about some wonderful franchise opportunities for my “Ramen To Go” drive-thru chain.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 20, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Staffed entirely by former McDonald's coffee spillers
it’s called “The burnt noodle”
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 20, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
i didn't know there was one in lawrence
a cheese runza with frings is the most satisfying meal you will ever eat.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Dec 20, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I was hoping,
but the link Retro gives to the Star makes it look sadly legitimate.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
i am SOOOO ANGRY about this
inexplicable doesn’t even scratch the surface
Todd Haley's kids know more swear words than I do.
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Dec 20, 2011 4:07 PM EST reply actions
"WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE ROYALS RE-SIGNED YUNI BETANCOURT"
is a question they’ll be asking for ages. personally, i was in the bathroom takin a yuni.
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on Dec 20, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
And wiping your Chris Getz?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
This is a joke, I'm guessing
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
no joke
it’s real.
where's ross gload to explode the process?
by blue bandwagon on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
This is as real as it Getz.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Dec 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Did Yuni upen an antiquarian bookstore, too?
Fool me once . . .
by Royal(e) with Cheese on Dec 20, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dayton Moore
Trolling baseball since 2006
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 20, 2011 4:12 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
Video of the resigning GMDM on the bike
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by kcscoliny on Dec 20, 2011 4:13 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
ASJKLDFHASJKLF ASD ASDF L
There are not expletives in the English language (or any language for that matter) to properly react to this.
LOUD NOISES!
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 20, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Good company
So was Frank white"s for his career :)
by Alan Czervik on Dec 20, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
But Frank White did other stuff
Yuni is a black hole
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yuniesky > Tim Tebow
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
This is...
…such the insult. …I appreciate it.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
ahahahahahahaha
this is what we get for all the talk about signing Grienke back as a free agent after his Brewer’s contract expires. Man, Dayton is some kind of master troll. He’s on a hole different level.
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by sfeldkamp on Dec 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
nah
it’s so we can trade yuni to the brewers again, but this time to get Greinke back! Oh wait, DM’s probably the only GM dumb enough to sign this guy twice
Pay heed...
by pj_hawk4life on Dec 20, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
possible!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
"Character, Determination, Leadership"
These are all words Ralph Wiggum does not know
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
iesky
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
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by BHWick on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
More like " I'm back bitches!!!"
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
At least we get to flood game threads with pics of Yuni again!
Do these effectively hide my thunder?
Can't wait for the
announcement about Jason Kendall rejoining the team.
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by sfeldkamp on Dec 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
this deserves
a nice slap to the face
DH: Where's the party!
Danny: David Howard and Mike Sweeney! Go away! Guys, you're gonna wake up my Mom!
by David Howards Legacy on Dec 20, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Rewind yourself
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Or...
…Matt Stairs or Jacobs or Elarton.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
reunite the 2010 Royals now!
oh the memories
DH: Where's the party!
Danny: David Howard and Mike Sweeney! Go away! Guys, you're gonna wake up my Mom!
by David Howards Legacy on Dec 20, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions
Who's got
the “Because…Go For It” pic, ‘cause that’s the only possible explanation for this.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions
Yuniesky Betancourt is his own because
Because Yuni
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
maybe I jumped the gun...
Re-signed Yuni because BATTER NINE YOU SUCKY
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
awesome
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ed Wood thinks Dayton Moore is bad at his job.
by NotAHippie on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 20, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you, sir.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
The problems is...
…the kinds of tools he is, not what he has.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
No, no, and no.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 20, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
he can hit the sac fly
so he should be good for winning games that way in the bottom of the 9th
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He plays 2B and 3B just as well as he plays SS,
so there you go.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking...
…we’d signed him to be a front-line starter. He’s got a plus arm.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
2010 was my favorite year on here...
i’m glad we’re bringing it back!
where's ross gload to explode the process?
Ankiel can still be had!
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
by setupunchtag on Dec 20, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
merry xmas royals fans!
seriously though, doesn’t mean we gotta nuke someone from the 40-man for this bad joke? could keeping getz and yuni as backups really be in the works? aye carumba
by royalrevenge on Dec 20, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn't this be even more awesome if we got to 41
And rather than waiving, say, Derrick Robinson, it had been someone useful. You know, like Mitch or Yamacio never mind…
yeah...mitch isnt really all that good
and wont be around when we’re competing…dyson should be the guy this season
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
...why?
I was even having a good afternoon.
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 20, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions
Me too
I sat down to read the Royals news and ended up kicking my door repeatedly
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
This move aint too bad
I dont hate the guy, the guy isnt a horrible player-though he is possibly the worst defensive everyday SS these past two years……I dont see him getting more than 125 ABs-if that……They could have gotten a much worse option to play ten games at short and ten to fifteen games elswhere
Cap it, and watch the players association strike it. http://budtheclark.mlblogs.com/
He'll get many more PAs than that
Barring injury or demotion. There are many better options when you factor in the $2M.
Dayton Moore:
Redefining “The Worst Thing That Could Happen” since 2006.
Thank God he avoided the Renteria overpay.
Getting rid of Yamaico Navarro
Means we needed someone to fill the role of “infielder with a name that begins with ‘Y’”
The new market inefficiency, no doubt.
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by cmkeller on Dec 20, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
eh that was mildly inappropriate
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No reaction is inappropriate to this kind of news
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Except for
Yes, I love Yuni
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
speaking of which, how does Facebook feel about this?
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hate it actually
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by averagegatsby on Dec 20, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
This was my post
Yuni?!?!!!?! Really!?!?!?!?!!!?
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
progress?
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
have we become...
facebook?
Pay heed...
by pj_hawk4life on Dec 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Im sure you said the same thing after Melky, Frenchy, Ankiel Farns were all signed.
This is a oh hum move BTW—-any strong reaction either-way is a joke
Melky and Frenchy worked.
The other two were pure wasted roster spots and money.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
who had him penciled in to be their closer?
he got traded by two teams within a 3 week time period…eventually being traded for ankiel…
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I think the jays and braves knew a gimmick when they saw one.
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hilarious move
Not necessary a bad move, but certainly hilarious.
by kcdc1 on Dec 20, 2011 4:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Is this the first non-negative comment?
Or did I miss one above?
It is almost certainly a bad move
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
In what universe is signing a guy that can't hit, can't play SS, and hasn't played another position in 7 years to be the primary utility infielder NOT a bad move??
Is is some kind of crushing move that prevents us from doing something else…no, but it is most certainly a bad move.
Come on..the guy is slow, chunky, can’t hit for average, can’t draw a walk, and can’t field his position. A utility infielder needs to be able to run more than three steps without either A) falling down from exhaustion or B) straining a hamstring. Yuni can barely move in the field. This is a pathetic move.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
His offensive numbers (pun!) might be a little better if he's only used against
And while he’s a bad full-time defender at SS, he can hold down the position as a back-up. His range won’t be stretched at 2nd or 3rd.
It comes down to money and his attitude and/or work ethic as a back-up.
Let's be clear
I think Yuni is roughly a replacement level player (slightly better), but I’m okay with him as a utility infielder if he’s being paid very little.
by kcdc1 on Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
..but don't you want your utility infielder to have some defensive ability?
Yuni’s throwing arm is strong, but that positive is more than negated by his statue-esque range.
I understand that the amount of the contract is likely to be low and isn’t going to hamstring the budget or anything…but this is simply a terrible addition to the ballclub. Other than throwing the ball hard, he brings absolutely nothing to the table.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 20, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
In all reality
he is probly a better defender than Moose or Gia at their respective positions.
I’m not a fan of the guy, but in a backup util role they could do worse.
just because you disagree, doesn’t make you right.
because he is coming from the SS
position. Converted SS’s almost always make passible 3Bs. Its a much easier position to play, and he has the arm.
Moose could NEVER play SS. he would be a much bigger laughing stock than Yuni ever was there.
Typically converted SS's play a competent SS before playing a passable 3B
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Have you actually WATCHED Yuni play defense?
Yuni is a “shortstop” in the sense that teams would foolishly have him stand between the third baseman and second baseman while the other team was batting.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 20, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
To put it plainly
He just fucking sucks
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have great hands. Doesn't have good range.
A good arm is his only positive attribute.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Check the gif below
and watch the second baseman make about 8 strides in the time it takes Yuni to make 4.
that is admittedly a terrible effort
by yuni-tard. I dont like the guy at all. backups dont make good starters. he is a backup. he isn’t coming back to KC to play 150 games. he will get 100 abs.
So if the Royals just put me at SS for a few games and then I switch to 3B, I automatically become better than Moose at 3B just because I stood at SS for a while?
Doesn’t work that way. An AVERAGE defensive SS will likely be an above average 3B (not necessarily a 2B, ask Aviles how that went)…but a godawful SS could still not be that great at 3B or 2B.
Killing time until time kills me
3rd and SS are completely different
Yuni’s never played 3B and will struggle if he has too…. Yes at SS you need more range but at 3RD balls get hit harder and on to you faster. You need to be quick and have good reactions…. At short you play deeper and have a better angle to the ball
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well,
than maybe he gets hit in the face by a screaming liner at 3rd in is put on indefinite concussion IR and you don’t have to worry….
Come on, you can’t get so worked up over a back-up.
this doesn’t change anything. At all. In any way.
But backup's are important
What if were in contention and Eskie gets hurt. A big 4 game set against Detroit is next. Yuni starts all 4 games and most likely fucks up.
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
tiquan,
who started at SS for the division winning Brewers last year?
Having Yuni as a util infielder isn’t going to make any difference.
..and if they had had a better player at SS, maybe they would've won more games.
Unbelievable weak argument. Hey, Kei Igawa pitched for a playoff team, guess if we signed him it would be “no big deal!”
You can make your argument about literally every player in the league…doesn’t mean signing all of them is “no big deal.” It is a big deal when these pointless signings keep adding up and eventually cost us a couple wins in a playoff race.
Killing time until time kills me
It isn't about his role on the team
It is about how it reflects on the organization.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
in your perception
you hate him, so in your eyes, it reflects terribly. Im not so sure thats how the rest of the baseball world feels.
again, this isn’t a great move. it isn’t in anyway the end of the world either.
It isn't the end of the world.
Only a jackass would claim as such.
But good teams, which I hope the Royals become, do not sign unusable bench fodder just because. Every aspect of a 25-man, to one degree or another, is important. And filling it with players who are not beneficial to the team is a sign of a poorly run organization.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
I didn't call you a jackass.
I said only a jackass would claim that re-signing Betancourt is the end of the world.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Dec 20, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you are going from...
Yuni is probably better than both Gia and Moose to now just saying he would suck a little less at 3B than SS.
You are backing away. That’s probably smart..as you were sounding pretty damn crazy. Fact is, Yuni has absolutely no range whatsoever and that hurts you at EVERY POSITION ON THE DIAMOND outside of catcher and pitcher. He is a godawful SS and likely a bad 3B and 2B. Why on this Earth anyone would want that from a utility infielder is just beyond me. Absolutely disgusting.
Killing time until time kills me
to me
your the one who sounds irrational. (looney)
your entitled to your opinion though, so have at it!
just realize, that ALL it is. an opinion.
It's a fact that he's a godawful SS.
It is also a fact that a guy that plays SS isn’t automatically a good 3B or 2B. It is only a fact that a SS will PROBABLY be a little better at 2B or 3B than he was at SS.
You are the one trying to stretch that to mean Yuni would be better at 3B or 2B than our current guys at the position.
Killing time until time kills me
Moose is good at 3B
and Gio is not awful and has more range
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Okay. You don't give a shit about facts. That's cool.
I’m not going to argue with the insane.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
I think Yuni has more range than Gia as well
Yuni’s range is bad for a SS, Gia’s range is bad for a 2B. Different levels of bad.
How so?
They are both middle infield positions that require relatively equal amounts of range. Shortstops make more plays because there are more right-handed batters, therefore the position is more highly rated. But as far as range goes, they are about as neutral a position as you can find on the field.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
you know thats not true
through out baseball history, SS’s with limited range have moved to 2B and suddenly have plus range.
Its almost a cliche to think so.
I know that throughout baseball history that
some shortstops that move to second base have been perceived to be graded as having better defense overall.
Range is only one aspect of defense, which is what we are talking about, and it isn’t something that gets better or worse based on where you stand on the diamond. Poor range is poor range.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
I'm not your bro pal
I’m not your pal friend.
I’m not your friend buddy.
I’m not your buddy, guy.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
you guys are getting so angry!
I can’t help from laughing
just try chilling out.
try smoking some weed or something.
First of all he was quoting "South Park"
and I’m 14 so I won’t “smoke some weed” because that’s stupid.
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
like i supposed to feel bad
because i didn’t get a joke associated with the comment
“don’t call him bro”
I hardly feel bad about that.
south park is so 90’s
It was only around for 3 years in the 90's
It got big in the early 00’s
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
It started the year I was born
Correct…..But fortunately I can wipe my own ass now!!!!
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Which are what? What facts do you have to back that up?
Is there a report on the relation of shortstop range extrapolated to the other infield positions? If so, I’m willing to read it. Otherwise you are just blustering.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
It does translate to better range at 2B and 3B than the range he had at SS.
It does NOT translate to being average, or better than other players in particular, at 3B or 2B. That is what you were arguing and that’s the point people were arguing against. Now that you are trying to twist the argument, I’d just suggest dropping it, as it is unbelievably obvious that you no longer stand behind your original statement.
Killing time until time kills me
If the argument was range is less important at second or third
I could get behind it. But range doesn’t improve by position. Just the effect it has on how defense is rated.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
sure it does
there is less ground to cover at 3rd than SS. Hence, a SS with poor range might have good range at 3b because it is relative to the avg player at that position.
I absolutely do
I think Yuni is probly a better defensive player than Moose at 3rd and Gia at 2nd. Both of those guys are much better hitters of course so I would be terrified to have Yuni starting at either spot.
These are opinions and they are not really that far stretched.
believe what ever you want. thats your right.
It's not right
Yuni would have to adjust and even then I don’t think you can definitely say that
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever seen Yuni
He’s slow and lazy…
Moose has a very good arm and played 3B well
Gio needs to work on his glove, but he’s fine with getting to balls
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
That is incorrect
Because Yuni is worse
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
You are all overreacting
this is not going to make any difference in the big picture at all. He is a frickin backup and playing for a mgr who doesn’t like to use backups.
The problem is we've been through this "isn't a big deal" thing way too many times with GMDM.
Adding up a bunch of them equals it is a big thing.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
why are you complaining?
this gives you something new to bitch about.
I would have thought that would make you happy.
He's complaining
because this is an utterly stupid move. With better options available..
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Renteria is
and always has been better than Yuni in every aspect of the game other than hitting homeruns.
Are you honestly saying that you would take Betancourt over Renteria?
That is plain dumb.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
So?
If you sign Yuni to a one year deal you can do the same with Renteria….
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
maybe Dayton tried
we’ll see where edgar signs and for how much. I personally think the guy is done. I think he will hit worse than yuni with similar range.
A good team will make me happy.
Moves like this make me wonder if it will ever happen with GMDM calling the shots.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
It's not
It’s the culmination of things…….
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
And it's an indicator
that Moore ignores statistics, projections, past mistakes, and reality when making moves.
by Loose Seal on Dec 20, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still don't care
He played for us and sucked, then we traded him and he sucked now were bringing him back for no reason. The “not a big deal” things build up. What happens when Escobar sprains an ankle and is out for 10 games, you have Yuni? SUCK
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
maybe he doesn't
want to play here. maybe he is holding out for a starting job. we don’t know the facts with renteria.
Assuming that Dayton passed him up to sign Yuni isn’t logical without facts.
The fact that Dayton signed Yuni at all isn't logical
Even with facts.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
I cannot say much on Betancourt
Basically cause I never saw this guy play. However, what I can say is..Moose played 63 games less then Betancourt…and came out with a better OPS! This tells as far as slugger and on base “Moose” is much better. Giavotella played around 106 games less then Betancourt and came very close to passing him on OPS. So as far as…at bats and slugging…I believe…“Moose & Giavotella” are much better players then Betancourt and also believe they are much better infielder as well. Betancourt, will be a utility guy and don’t see him playing as much as our regulars. Unless something drastic occurs. Will wait for the season to see this guy play.
by Fans-of Eric Hosmer on Dec 20, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you do realize that games played have no effect on ops, right?
its a rate stat…not a counting stat
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by Fans-of Eric Hosmer on Dec 21, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Very, VERY interesting thoughts.
Definitely a different way of looking at things. Ever read the American literary icon Lee Judge?
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 21, 2011 1:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
1 guy can play 3 positions, has exp at ss, can hit LHPs, will allow DMGM to go w only 1 back up. 1 yr low salary deal. This will allow more 13 man staff, protecting all the young arms from over use, there is some logic, plus, he might actually hit for some power….
by Kcto on Dec 20, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
he has terrible range for a catcher
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by averagegatsby on Dec 20, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
He has terrible range for a DH
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
The "utility player without utility," a Dayton Moore tradition
From Gload and Bloomquist to Renteria and Yuni (2)
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah
I think Yuni is roughly on the Bloomquist level of uselessness. Yuni’s actually probably a little better.
shades of replacement level
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'll Take Sporqie's
.317 OBP over Yu-Bet’s .292, and versatility over Yu-Bet’s thousands of games playing one position poorly.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
In Yuni's defense, he also played other positions poorly in the minors...
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by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
This site is sooo predictable
I came here just to read the anti Betencourt sentiment……….
Most react to this news as if we signed him to be our Starting SS for a 5 year contract….
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by ChosenOneK on Dec 20, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm reacting to a truly stupid move that chose that the GM still can't evaluate major league talent
What are you reacting to?"
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Im reacting to the overreaction
of your fellow bloggers about this being a horrible move. My opinion is much like that shared by Bronzillo. Yuni is a professional ballplayer and one who has started two consecutive season at above replacement level. Him getting his 100 ABs in a back up role is not the end of the world..
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Of course
I do understand the plight most here take that DM can do no right, so this overreaction makes sense, as I previously concluded that this opinion was very predictable
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When a bad player is signed,
should we be happy?
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hmmmm
How many teams in the Major Leagues have 25 players that you would call ‘not bad’
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More than a few teams have a GM smart enough to not go out and sign a player to a Major League deal who is no better than replacement level and can’t play SS (which is exactly what we need a UI to do)?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
i think were more likely to need our utility guy to spell gia/moose in the case of struggles...
escobar will play every day
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Unless he goes on the DL
And many, many UI’s can handle 3B/2B. And they are very cheap.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Very few.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to give the Royals a pass for wasting 2 million on a bad player who has already shown he’s bad in Kansas City.
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Holy shit, they didn't give him $2M did they?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, I was thinking maybe minor league contract
$1 million split contract. $2 mill. Guaranteed bitches.
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Holy shit
Even when I heard of the signing, I didn’t think it would be this much. Good lord. I’ve got to start expecting the worst from DM. $2M? Good god.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
PLUS INCENTIVES!
He can earn $500k in incentives. I assume incentives like “hit one grand slam” and "don’t eat Johnny Giovotella.’
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Keeps getting better and better
When Gia starts slowly and Yuni becomes the everyday 2B, this signing is going to look even more tremendous.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Eskie And Yu-Bet
Back to back at 8 and nine; NL ball X2.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Well, when he does something stupid, should we just alibi it away and pretend it's no big deal
For how many years are we supposed to give him the benefit of the doubt?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
You can keep calling the move stupid
and it still wont make it true How many players out there who would sign to be a backup utility infielder are so much more obviously better than Yuni?? This move is not terrible, it is just another move….This is going to sound trite if you keep opposing this. I understand your opinion. You understand mine, I hope. You can think Im an uneducated fan all you want..
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What's funny
Is he had two in house the last few months – Mike Aviles and Yamaico Navarro. And they were both shipped out for defense and attitude concerns.
So we replace them with a guy known for defense and attitude concerns. And pay $2 million for the prviliege.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I can wrap my head around that
coincidentally, I didnt like either one of those two though
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we did turn aviles/yamaico into a couple seemingly interesting pitching arms...
which is more than id expected aviles to be worth
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think some other GM's see that Aviles is worth at least two somewhat interesting minor league arms
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
And Some Managers
Aren’t afraid to try him in the OF.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Getz
Yamaico Navarro. That’s just two. There are many, many more who are as bad as Yuni, but would have cost $1M or less.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
maybe you didnt read it correctly
I said players who are that much more obviously better than Yuni…..your answer is Chris Getz? Havent you already had this conversation with someone on this board?? I wont bring up the same points that Bronzillo has pointed out. Chris Getz was your answer?? a better UI? Really? Chris Getz?
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Have you looked at their stats?
Do their stats matter to you? Neither can play well on the left side of the infield. But Getz has been the better player over the last 4 years, period. See below.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
This decision was made by
top men
Please stop questioning it. Thank you.
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do you think getz can play ss/3b as well as yuni will be able to ?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
SS, yes
As Yuni has been genuinely awful. I think Getz wouldn’t be worse. Yuni might be a better defensive 3B.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
but if you play Getz at SS you will have to get used to the 10 hopper to Hosmer.
Even though I’m not crazy about this signing, to me it’s just, meh, so what. I honestly feel, though, that Yuni will play a better SS than either Getz or Yamaico would have and will be at least somewhat competent at the plate.
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by ChiefWildcat on Dec 21, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
who would you have preferred they sign?
renteria?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
There are many decent fielding cheap UI's who can't hit
Not going to search the FA list or waiver wire right now, but they are never hard to find.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
then why'd bloomie who fits those same criteria...
just get his 2nd multiyear multi million contract in the past 4 years?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Because he can play 9 positions!
And some teams overvalue replacement level versatility.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Because Kevin Towers wanted John McDonald insurance
Not sure who the genius was behind the prior deal
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
The magnitude of the mistake is small. The level of stupidity of the move is quite large.
The fact that he’s a “professional ballplayer” is meaningless. Chris Getz is a professional ballplayer. So is everyone in the minors. The mere fact that he’s a pro or a major leaguer does not mean it’s a decent signing. The fact that the two teams were stupid enough to make him their starting SS does not mean that he’s worthy of a major league deal. He isn’t. He’s awful. You can find players as shitty as him as freely available talent for at or near league minimum.
But Moore thinks he’s decent. Moore can’t evaluate major league talent very well at all. This is a very stupid move. No, it’s not the end of the world. But it’s another piece of evidence that this GM is incompetent with regard to evaluating and acquiring Major League talent. That’s a pretty big deal.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"The magnitude of the mistake is small. The level of stupidity of the move is quite large."
This is a macro on my computer now. ALT-M
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LMAO
Should be ALT-DM though.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ALT-BM
Boom goes the bowel movement.
by OnixConcepcion on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
If Dayton literally flushed $2 million down the toilet
Would your response be “what’s the big deal”?
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I honestly would react more favorably to that
if it meant they went with Falu or Zawadzki or any number of other options.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Anyone have that drawing of DM flushing money down the toilet?
That was for Bloomy, right?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Moore could have found an above replacement level utility IFer
He chose not to. He picked Yuni instead. Again. Yuni is pretty awful. The Royals had a crappy UI in-house who couldn’t really handle SS defensively. So Moore goes out and signs another one for god knows how much money.
Explain to me how Yuni is an upgrade over Getz. And the fact that Yuni has SS experience doesn’t count for anything as he is genuinely horrible defensively.
So is this really just a meh move that isn’t genuinely stupid, and everyone else just doesn’t understand?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would Getz be worse at 3B and SS than Yuni, who is genuinely horrible?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't think getz has the arm to be a util guy.
also, I think the plan is for Yuni to mostly play against Lefties when someone needs a break.
His career line against LHP: .275/.308/.421
And Yuni doesn't have the range to be a utility guy. Not even close.
And they gave him $2M guaranteed.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
his utility range at 3b and 2b is probly passible
escobar won’t be taking many days off.
and yuny hits lefties decently.
I don’t like this move, but its not terrible and I don’t believe there is really any other player who would have been significantly better.
a huge overreaction by the majority of RR nation IMO. I understand it, but this isn’t a big deal. If he plays mostly against lefties, he will be above replacement level and everything will be fine.
couldnt agree more
let me reiterate. I dont like the move either, But its not that bad. Its miniscule.
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I don't even care how he plays
The name “Yuni” just burns a hole in my heart as a Royals fan. He could win the MVP and I would still hate him, he’s just Yuni
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Does it really not worry you at all
That the GM of your favorite baseball team looked at Yuniesky Betancourt and saw a player worth $2m?
Never mind the (lack of) long term consequnce, thats just scary.
Edgar knows best.
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yeah
I made my points, Im not here to argue. One unfortunate side effect of this site and its more frequent users is a ‘Singular mentality’—- They are slowly progressing to have the very same opinions and are losing their objectivity. Then, as I have noticed on few occasions, They ‘gang-up up on the ’lesser-knowns’ and overstate their collective opinion. my only goal in this argument is to break some of this thinking up…… opinions CAN differ. you CAN respect others with different opinions. YOUR not always right…..and the like..
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im around all the time...
they’re still ganging up on me
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Well, Id say Im a lesserknown, yet I have avoided the ganging up, though I never noticed you being on the wrong side of the argument….. I do remember having an argument with you about Kila and Butler prior to the year starting…..you may not remember but, you were right, I had too much stoock in Kila…..congrats
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You think Moore couldn't have found an above replacement level UI for less than $2M
You’re wrong. Dead wrong.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Moore thinks Yuni is pretty good. And that is precisely the problem and the reason that this signing is meaningful.
If Moore had been making good acquisitions for years and then acquired a poor, overpaid UI, I would say it was a mistake, but no big deal. The larger meaning, which is that Moore isn’t improving in major league talent evaluation, is the real problem here.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
yuni's been above replacement level every year except for 1...
if he’s only playing primarily against lefties and playing mostly 2b and 3b where his good arm/bad range help more than hurt his defense….im still waiting for you to find a guy youd rather have signed…this reeks of the ddj criticism from last year…where moore traded him ‘too early, before the market developed’ when he brought a better return than a basically identical player traded to the same team two months later. if you cant come up with a better option, criticism is ridiculous
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give you a list tomorrow
Do you really think there aren’t slightly better than replacement level players for less than $2M?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
there probably are but that doesnt make this more than a not good move...
not end of the world bad…all gms make moves that arent good…his end of the world bad moves from last offseason ended up being good, yet you still dont give him even a little benefit of the doubt
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
His body of work is why I don't give him the benefit of the doubt
If you’re saying this is likely a bad move but not the end of the world, then I agree with you. Not the end of the world, but stupid and he could have very, very easily done better.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
How much do you think Adam Everett would cost?
Projects no worse than Yuni.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes
moves look dumb because there weren’t many options. I feel that most Royals fans (and most MLB fans in general) expect perfection at every single transaction at every single level all the time.
Good move? Not really. But we don’t know the intricacies of the move, and fans never have all the information that front offices do. It does speak more to Moore’s talent evaluation ability (or lack thereof).
There were many options
Tito listed several below.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
you didnt list a single player who is available
and listed one player who got less money than betancourt
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
See my post below
All four got less per year than Betancourt. Just examples of better UI going for less.
2 years to a utility infielder cant be ignored...
that was the worst part of the original bloomie deal…
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
and its not...
but listing other signings that are just as bad doesnt help your case
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just listing
Other players that are better utility infielders that were purchased in this year’s market for less. Take it for what you want.
All players Moore passed on and then signed Yuni
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
wait...
he shouldve jumped on the FA market in early december now? that was his mistake last year
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
The real mistake is a bad outcome
I would have preferred someone at replacement level for league minimum. But if he was going to spend money, there were better options who were cheaper.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
ive yet to see you state without qualifications that the melky and frenchy signings were great signings
The real mistake is a bad outcome
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Melky turned out to be a great signing
I can’t say that without qualification that Frenchy was a great signing. Do you think it was great without any qualifications whatsoever?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
no...i dont...
i think it was a low risk signing that turned out great…which is what someone in a position like DM was in last offseason and the couple before that should be making
i didnt just throw out that line above though either
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'll happily take an Irving Falu for league minimum any day over $2 million a year for Yuni...
I bet Falu wouldn’t half ass defensive plays like the video evidence for Yuni already displayed in this post.
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by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
And there are many replacement level guys in the minors which could easily be had as UI’s.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
alot of the same people who throw out lines like 'play falu'
when he hasnt been good in AAA are the same ones advocating trying to win now by throwing $15 million at oswalt? slight disconnect?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I've ever said throw $15 million at Oswalt.
I’m not really all that high on Falu either. That’s not the point. The point is that there are literally double digits of players that
1) are equivalent in talent to Yunieski Betancourt, or somewhat close (7 yr career bWAR of 4.2, last 3 yrs totaled 0.7 bWAR)
2) would play for less money per year
Some of those are proven major league players, many more are minor league players that easily have that sort of potential. You could find 2 or 3 career minor league guys on each roster that would be a servicable UI on a major league roster for 100 PAs in 1 yaer.
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by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
not you specifically...
but that argument
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Worst straw man argument ever
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
i'll own that argument but it's not relevant here
I don’t see the similarities between Oswalt and Yuni at all. Oswalt is a pitcher who had a injury-filled year in ‘11 after a great healthy career. He could provide a huge value to the team in a position of need if he recovers fully, and he is available for a discount. Yuni is a bad player on the field and at the plate. We are not hoping for him to come back from injury and regain his form. We are hoping he can do something he’s never done before, and do them at higher levels that ever before. And we pay him above-market rates to do so. And he’s a lightning-rod for criticism. I’d rather take a flyer on a prospect who might develop into something, and who we’d have control over than Yuni.
No
His mistake last year was dumping David DeJesus quickly without letting the market for Carl Crawford play out
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and willingham was traded after the market for crawford played out
and brought less of a return for a similar player with a similar contract situation…so….where was dayton’s fuckup again?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 21, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Less of a return than Vinny Mazzaro?
Excuse me, how exactly is that even possible? (Even accounting for Justin Marks’s inclusion in the deal.)
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look at the willingham return....
simply b/c mazzarro sucked in a handful of starts doesnt make him a less worthwhile trade piece at the time
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
A Hammie Is
Our best possibility, preferably in ST.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
my reaction entirely...
i find the signing amusing…and peoples reactions equally hilarious….people would really have rather had someone like edgar renteria?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Renteria was an average fielder at SS last year, and had a .251 / .306 / .348 line.
Yuni was a below average fielder at SS last year and had a .252 / .271 / .381 line.
I’d rather have Renteria, a guy who can get on base and play good defense, than Yuni, a guy who can’t get on base, but can occasionally hit a homerun. To put it another way, they have almost identical OPS, but Renteria’s wOBA is .291 compared to Yuni’s .278.
Well, given that Renteria is the better player..yeah I'd take Renteria over Yuni.
Obviously it’s not a gigantic difference, and obviously people are going to overreact on the internet…but this is clearly a bad move. Does this one move kill us? No..but given that people have to resort to the “well yeah this move may be bad/pointless but it won’t kill us” argument so many times with DM, that should tell you that he makes these pointless/bad moves far too often, and they do add up.
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by setupunchtag on Dec 20, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
As Edgar Renteria is considerably better than Yuni, yes I would have preferred him
Or, just some replacement level UI for league minimum. But if Moore was going to throw $2M at this role, then throw it at someone who is worth it.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
guys who are good UIF arent signing for $2 million...
bloomie just got 2/4
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not talking about
I’m talking about better than barely replacement level, like Yuni.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
boom-boom over the past 4 years....
.1 WAR…total…thats precisely who you were talking about
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
boom boom?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
And Moore can find better than that
Please don’t act like the existence of a bad Bloomie deal defines the entire market for UI’s.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
he already did in navarro...
and he felt that $2 million for yuni plus the prospects he received were more valuable than navarro at 415k….he paid $1.5 million for two arms…i like the idea of that
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Or he could have just signed a barely better than replacement level UI for less than $2M
and then those arms wouldn’t have cost $1.5M. There’s no way to put lipstick on this pig of a move.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think we can all agree that when Moore is making moves comparable to those of Kevin Towers and Mike Rizzo
that it is not a compliment to point it out.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
So, with Omar Minaya out
Who is the new contest with?
Rizzo seems like a good candidate
reputation as a player development guru, makes “questionable” moves on the free agent market and with the major league roster in general.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
The question we should be asking...
Is Yuni or Kyle Davies going to make more this year from the Royals?
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Thanks for the heads up!!
I wasn’t planning on drinking today…
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why?!
We won’t bid on darvish or go for good high risk FAs but we go Yuni-betan fart?!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tradition!
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
I don't know why guys are so upset.
Dayton’s already camping out for the Plaza Parade
by AxDxMx on Dec 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
I mean it's not like Dayton doesn't have a plan.
Look, he’s already on “O” and “N”:
by AxDxMx on Dec 20, 2011 4:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Y Is For.............
Yu-Bet!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Now this is a find!
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is not a find... That is a classic n00b
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by averagegatsby on Dec 20, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Low belt brudder
Xmas is already ruined
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
O Is For...........
Overgay!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't even care if he plays 20-30 games
Yuni is just so unbelievably infuriating to watch. He is so god damn nonchalant about everything and sucks so bad at the plate. This would be different if he hit lefties well enough to warrant him getting any PT at 3rd… he doesn’t. Either get someone that can give us a decent bat in the lineup or someone that plays stellar d. we got neither
shit
Complete asshat move
This reminds me of many of the early teen fantasy baseball owners in some of my leagues, that have a player and trade him away, then back for him, then away, then back again, usually at the wrong times when their value is wrong to be moving them or trying to get them. Is Jim Hendry available? He’s starting to sound like an improvement. Or maybe Corky from life goes on?
Have you heard Chris Burke's album?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
It's a conspiracy for sure
GMDM was sent by the Devil who is a Cardinal fan and in turn he promised Dayton 17 virgins for his pleasure as long as he constantly screwed the Royals franchise
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST reply actions
He must be pissed cuz of Pujols
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by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OK, I give up.
I can’t defend Dayton on this one. It makes absolutely no sense to me. I wouldn’t sign Batter Nine You Sucky for $1.
Are you sure this isn’t a joke? It is very close to unbelievable.
That information is somewhat classified.
which actually makes it very believable
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by averagegatsby on Dec 20, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm waiting for it
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Dec 20, 2011 4:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The truley odd case about this Yuniesky thing today...
I’ve already had a really spooky bit of Deja Vu today
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At First I
“You can’t piss on talent like that”, and I briefly thought I disagreed.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
similar in that
No one wants to touch the grinch with a ten-foot pole, Yuni can’t touch a baseball with a ten-foot pole
by royalrevenge on Dec 20, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
But it's not for a lack of trying
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 20, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
(Like George Washington!)
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
This needs to be green
One of the best comments I’ve ever seen
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yuni also hates the British Children
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Rewind yourself
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 20, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
In other Royals news,
GM Dayton Moore checked into “Yuniesky Anonymous” for a 2 month rehab.
“I need help to lay off the Yuni. It’s an addiction stronger than my willpower right now.” he said.
That information is somewhat classified.
by Karte on Dec 20, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Look at his HUSTLE though
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 20, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Nice angle
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 20, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
You've Got To Be S*$&@ing Me!!!
They traded away Zack Greinke just to get rid of this guy. Why in the hell would they want him back!?!
Kansas City Royals shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt (3) drops a pop-up by Texas Rangers’ Matt Treanor in the second inning of a baseball game, Friday, May 7, 2010, in Arlington, Texas. Treanor reached second and David Murphy scored on the error by Betancourt.
it all comes around..
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seriously though
I thought my moniker would get to become a welcome nod to the doldrum days of yore, sort of like a ’Chico’s Lind’, or a double-entendre off the name ‘Dean Palmer’, but instead I must re-live this nightmare on the rare occasion I actually post a comment?
Screw St. Louis, we are the BFIB by not completely giving up on this team…
by Yunielateral Movement on Dec 20, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I seriously quit
Dayton is a fucking idiot and there’s absolutely no way to argue around this anymore.
It's The Circus
Of life, and GMDM drives the clown car.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I cannot believe how fucking stupid this move is.
I swear to god, if we trade Escobar becasue of this I will fucking wander out into traffic. All I can think about is that he’s gonna package Escobar, and about 5 other young studs in a go for it package and ruin this entire fucking decade just because he’s queer for this asshole Yuni. Fuck you Dayton.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 20, 2011 4:56 PM EST reply actions
Nah, I don't see that happening.
Escobar’s safe.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Yeah, Eskie Is
The centerpiece of Moore’s biggest trade ever.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I want to think so too,
but he just signed the guy he forced them to take.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 20, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
Seriously?
I can’t believe he’s going to be a motivated player, coming back to play second string for one of the guys he was traded for.
Bad move, Dayton.
This is so fucking awful, just so so bad.
If 10,000 of us chip in $100, can we pay him $1MM not to play?
The Brewers already paid him 2 million not to play, but he is playing anyway.
Seems like a waste of money to me.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Dec 20, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Received a text from Rany
Going to get some blow from my new friend Sam Hurd. WINNING!
Poll: ...
…Everyone needs to go to this KC Star poll and vote “Hate it.”
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Inexplicably
42% of voters actually like the move…so Dayton has that going for him.
Many people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so.-Bertrand Russell
by Dr. van Strijcker on Dec 20, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Dayton has 42% of the accounts
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lee Judge
has some of those tho…but not Dayton’s, cuz he doesn’t play GM
Pay heed...
by pj_hawk4life on Dec 20, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
so the Yunitility Infielder is a more acceptable situation than
President Rick Perry?
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This move in a nutshell
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On the positive side, the Grienke
trade now is 5 players for Zach. Wait till next year and Zach xomes back and the trade will be 6 for us none for the Milwaukee. That would have to go down as one of the greatest err best errr (I’m really trying to be positive here) most lopsided trade in history.
I don't think Zack is coming back
His name is ZacK
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Tsaaq
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
I always viewed Yuni as a negative in that deal...
As in “Yeah, we’ll take 4 for Zach, but you have to take Yuni off our hands. We’ll even pay you a little extra to take him. No, we’re not kidding”
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
The Brewers come to Kauffman Stadium on June 12th through 14th
so now this is a true rivalry game. As Yost and Yuni seek to enact revenge on the Brewers and Zack Greinke as part of Yuni’s 2012 MVP campaign at 2nd base
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Rany's first tweet on the subject
Rany Jazayerli@jazayerli
W. T. F.
Go Royals!
I seriously thought everyone was joking...
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
He's no Willie "fisterbottom" Bloomquist
THIS TEAM LACKS GRIT!
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 20, 2011 5:12 PM EST reply actions
Can't wait for Yuni to get some time in the outfield
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Honestly, this is hysterical to me
I’m not sure that’s the appropriate reaction, but I can’t stop laughing.
Rany's second tweet
Rany Jazayerli@jazayerli
Retweet
Can’t. Stop. Laughing.
Go Royals!
Back in Victorian times,
vigorous masturbation was considered the proper treatment for hysteria.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Dec 20, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No, you're a teenager
Vigorous masturbation is healthy and encouraged.
by ks.cowboy on Dec 20, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus hands
This is how Yuni got plus hands (and plus hands).
by ks.cowboy on Dec 20, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
To Everyone saying that this move is acceptable re: backup/UTIL IF role,
May I remind you that Edgar Renteria is still available, waiting to be a professional and perform more than adequately for your team?
We should trade for Vance Worley.
May I also remind you
We traded away Yamaico Navarro because of his defense and poor attitude to bring on….Yuniesky Betancourt.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is really the most ridiculous and mind-numbing aspect of this whole thing
And to top it all off, Yamaico was MUCH cheaper.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 20, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Save us Insanity Wolf
you’re our only hope
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My first spitake ever
And it was followed by the thought: “The guys on Royals Review are going to shit. Literally, shit.”
BRFS
(a) re-experiencing the royals as if it were reoccurring even when it is not, (b) attempts to avoid the psychological impact of the royals by avoiding activities, people, and emotions, © hyperarousal or hypervigilance, (d) disrupted interpersonal relationships, (e) body image distortion or other somatic concerns, and (f) sexuality and intimacy issues.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 20, 2011 5:36 PM EST reply actions
Just....wow.
In other news, Jason Kendall signs a 1 year, $4 million contract with Kansas City, while Mike Jacobs comes out of retirement to be the backup DH on a 1 year, $500,000 contract. Hilarity ensues…
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
but hey, those moves didn't single-handedly kill us, so they are all no big deal right?
I mean, if a move doesn’t entirely destroy the franchise, then it must not be worth mentioning!
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 20, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I wish I could lay money on Escobar getting hurt and Yuni playing 100 games
I feel like this is guaranteed to happen now.
or Giavotella being hurt or doghoused and Yuni playing for weeks
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Also a strong possibility
I think he will end up playing way more than people are acknowledging.
by Connor Moylan on Dec 20, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
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His range?
Oh…wait…
I can now say this with a straight face, and it will be accurate: Tim Tebow is a better QB than Matt Cassel.
by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 20, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's explaining the size of twinkie he's going to eat after the game.
by Cap Midnight on Dec 20, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
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I love that .188 in the middle of the plate on the first graphic
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Is this actually happening?
Seriously? I’m speechless.
I can now say this with a straight face, and it will be accurate: Tim Tebow is a better QB than Matt Cassel.
by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 20, 2011 5:58 PM EST reply actions
Now we have two "Eskies"
The real one and the fake one.
From hereon out, I hereby declare Yuniesky Betancourt’s name to be “Fake Alcides Escobar.”
It’s like having a diamond and buying a cubic zirconia in case you lose the diamond….
Dammit
This is just so dammit
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That's it!
Moore picked up Yuni so that Getz looks like a defensive whiz by comparison.
That information is somewhat classified.
Available players who would have been a better sign than Yuni (0.5 WAR in 584 PAs):
Edgar Renteria 0.9 WAR
Ronny Cedeno (1.85M in ‘11) 1.4 WAR
Pedro Ciriaco (pre-arb, not sure if he’s really a FA) 0.2 WAR in 34 PAs
Cesar Izturis (1.5M in ’11) 0.1 WAR in 33 PAs
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 20, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions
I like Cedeno a hell of a lot better then Batter Nine you Sucky
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Ditto.
I can now say this with a straight face, and it will be accurate: Tim Tebow is a better QB than Matt Cassel.
by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 20, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
i can't believe
we missed out on all of these guys. we should be pissed.
iZTURIS IS THE FUTURE.
by Professor Stephanie Willbanks on Dec 20, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Deal worth 2 million, with incentives if he plays a lot.
but yeah..he’ll probably only get 20 PAs and 80 innings in the field with the way Yostie uses his benchy!
Killing time until time kills me
Question...
Does this mean the Royals are going to carry 4 bench players (Yuni, Getz, 2nd catcher to be named later, and Mitch)? Whatever happened to the 8 man super pen?
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
Bottom line, we paid 2 million and gave a roster spot to a guy who's upside for our team next year is "won't kill us that much."
That’s the definition of a bad move. It really couldn’t be any simpler.
Killing time until time kills me
by EspeciallyK on Dec 20, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions 8 recs
The one thing that I haven't seen brought up is that he isn't even a late-inning baserunning replacement
For anyone other than Butler or Perez. And even Getz fills that role better than he ever could.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
He fills the "his arm would be strong at 3B, but we already have a guy with a laser arm at 3B" role.
Also the, “his power is a positive in relation to his unbelievably bad on-base skills, but it really is only good for a SS” role.
Killing time until time kills me
I can't get to my voska soon enough...
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 20, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions
I'm so bent about this siging that I can't fucking type.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 20, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Unreal
Dayton seems to have ZERO fucking plan, ZERO ability to think more than one move ahead at a time. Pissing away Aviles and ending up with Yuni, idiotic. But even worse with the recent selection of Cesar Cabral (sold to Yanks for 50k right?) surely there were I don’t know about 1000 better cheaper options than Yuni for a backup infielder position to choose from? I guess net loss financially was only 1,950,000 with the Cabral money. Great job Dayton! Maybe we can work a deal with the Cubs to get Bianchi back, would much prefer him.
Yu-Bet Was Brought
In because Aviles was injured. Irony can be really…………ironic.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
$hit Christ Phuck
The Royals couldn’t be this dumb twice. What do they see in this Fucktard. Is it sad that I would rather have Getz over him.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
They're both a shade above replacement level
Defensively, Getz might have a bit more range, but Yuni has a better arm. I’d guess that Yuni is a better SS and 3B, but Getz is a much better 2B.
And of course, their batting profiles are totally different—no OBP with modest power vs modest OBP with no power—but they’re comparably not at all valuable.
Hasn't Getz been a considerably better player over the last 3-4 years?
Compare their WAR/150.
If you have Getz (can’t really hit, decent IFer who can’t handle SS), then why go out and spend more than league minimum on another player who sucks and can’t handle SS defensively? Explain to me why this signing makes sense.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I thought WAR wasn't to be used as a rate stat?
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just gives one an idea of how the players have produced over similar playing time
Take it for what it’s worth.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
getz cant throw from 3rd though either...
so that doesnt work
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
We can ignore
Yuni’s total lack of range, but Getz’s arm is a deal breaker?
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 20, 2011 9:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
uhh...at 3b/ss...yes, i think so...
yuni was bad, but not unplayably bad at SS last year
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yuni can't play SS
so that doesn’t work.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not so sure
Are we sure GMDM is a shade above replacement level?
Not enough data
It will probably take another 5 years of ineptitude for us to really know for sure.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
will this get rid of getz?
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by Hanging Brainister on Dec 20, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions
I literally thought it was a joke...
when I saw it hit my twitter feed. I was hoping for Jeff Keppinger. or Brooks Conrad. Yuni sucks.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 7:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Royals counter
-Jason Grimsley has been announced as the opening day starter, when asked about the challenge
I’m ready to strike Pujols the fuck out
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
Guess this answers the question:
“What’s the quickest way for Royals Review to get 400 comments for an article in December?” *
*-Without nudity
by A Study in Blue on Dec 20, 2011 7:57 PM EST reply actions
"Jeff Zimmerman to have Q&A with Lee Judge"
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hosmer trade...
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Go sit in the fucking corner for even mentioning that.
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough...
Just saying this would piss me off and make me want to take out my frustrations on here more than anything else that could happen to the Royals.
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone needs to shut up and
STOP PLAYING GM!!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 20, 2011 7:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm sure DM knows a lot more about Yuni than we do
I’m sure he’s lost a ton of weight. And recommitted himself to excellence.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
“He’s in the best shape of his life, and is coming off a playoff run”
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Did he get a mutual option?
Please tell me there is a mutual option. The joke will be complete then.
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 20, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yuni vs. Getz over the last 4 years
WAR/150 games played
Yuni -.07
Getz +.8
But maybe one thinks that Yuni’s horrendous 2009 in which he had a -2.1 WAR season was some kind of wild aberration and that we should throw that out. It would be stupid to throw it out, but let’s do so anyway.
Yuni +.6
Getz +.8
And yet Moore goes out and gives Yuni $2M guaranteed. Wow. Just, wow.
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it really was a wild aberration when compared to the rest of his career...
you make that argument about frenchy’s 2011 all the time…
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
I include Frenchy's 2011 in my evaluation and projection of him
I don’t throw it out. I never throw out a recent season of data. And even when you throw out Yuni’s worst season, Getz has been better.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
you dont have to defend getz to me...
i was his last supporter here…and i still think there’s a decent chance he’s a better player than gio…i just dont think he works in a util role
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
And there's no reason to believe Yuni works in a utility role either
He can stand at those positions. In that way, it works. But I could stand there too. That wouldn’t work either.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
WOW
I think we just set a record for greens in a thread. The gallows humor is back in full force (deservedly so)
That goof of a GM brings out the best in us
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, we've had our fun this offseason- some good moves and some bad
But I’m guessing we have yet to see a post at all with unqualified (if any) praise of this move
Worst DM move ever...redux
Now just sign Jose Guillen as the Royals 4th OFer and the circle will be complete.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
It's a shame Arizona reupped on Willie Boomstick
Can never have too many crappy middle infielders. Never.
Edgar knows best.
We still need a lefty in the pen
and HoRam is still looking for a job…
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Bloomers Is So
Much more than a crappy MIF.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure he can be traded for
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Don't even joke about that...
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe not
I saw him at Five Guys once, he got grilled and raw onions. He choked awfully.
BFIB
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, trading for him and an even worse contract
While giving up Dan “DUI” Cortes
Wait for the extension signed in July.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 20, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Or the Gload...although I think that was in the offseason
Same principle though.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
He Did Give
Bloomers 2 years, but the D-Backs took some of the shine off that accomplishment.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
It's pretty bad
but doesn’t come close to Jose Guillen or Mike Jacobs.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gload extension is also as bad or worse
also trading for that one terrible shortstop back in 2009
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair to Yuni, here is his Baseball-Reference WAR/150 over the last 4 years
0.05
Only .75 lower than Getz.
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I'm moderately happy for the deal
Only because I think “Batter Nine You Sucky” is my favorite nickname we have ever come up with…
As for baseball, yeah, awful. Just awful.
That's true
And there is a whole library of Yuni related fail pics, which can now be used again.
#silverlinings
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I Fear There
Will be far too many opportunities to use them.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 20, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's the name of my fantasy baseball team.
Glad I get to keep using it another year and stay relevant.
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by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
John Heyman Like It!
catching up: yuni betancourt got $2M on 1 yr deal with #royals. rare free agent #bargain.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST reply actions
lol, bargain
What’s a replacement level player worth, Johnny?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Yuni is a 1 WAR pitcher
Hadn't thought of that had you, smart guy?
Would that mean that Yuni doesn't exist?
Because if so, that would be cool.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Analysis
YUNI USED TO BE A STARTER AND ONCE HIT 16 HOME RUNS, THEREFORE HE IS GOOD, ROYALS ARE GETTING A BARGAIN. SCOTT BORAS IS KING.
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I'd Like To
Know who was offering him anything.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Won't this be awesome when Escobar struggles a little next season
And he gets benched for two weeks of Batter Nine You Sucky?
I actually think Yuni is going to have a good season.
I saw him hit a couple of huge bombs when he was playing last year. I can see him hitting almost 20hrs this year.
I can see myself having sex with a Victoria's Secret model
I’ve seen it in my head many times. I think it highly unlikely it will actually happen though.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yuni's career gives me hope
He sucks and he still gets MLB millions.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
kate upton is mine you bastard
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Beating career high by 25% at age 30 in a utility role
That White Sox logo isn’t fooling me, Dayton.
I can see why White Sox fans love Yuni
Yuni lifetime vs. White Sox
.209/.237/.384 189 PAs
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In my heart...
…I really want this to be a meaningless blip… a move we’ll all shortly forget. I want this to be the equivalent of signing Pedro Feliz last year. (Remember that? It happened.) That’s what I was sort of hoping. Then I hear it actually is a $2MM deal.
I dunno. It’s dumb. I keep trying to think of some way to believe that it’s only a little dumb. I’m about ready to give up trying.
According to KC Star
Yuni is going to get the chance to compete for playing time at 2B (though he won’t be the starter on Opening Day, or so they say) and the 2B job will be a competition between Getz and Giavotella.
So basically, DM is bending over backwards to get Getz and Yuni time at 2B despite a large amount of data that says they both suck. Awesome…but hey, DM is getting better because..he’s getting better!
Killing time until time kills me
I can't wait til we deal Giovotella for a middle reliever
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if it's a good MR i'll take it....
only b/c i have zero faith in giavotella
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that you are not a Gia fan and I'm fine with that...
..but would we really want to trade him away without giving him a decent chance at proving what he can do, given that our other options are the proven-to-suck Chris Getz and….well, that’s pretty much it. Colon was unimpressive in the minors and Betancourt’s .270s OBP is simply not worthy of being a starter.
I don’t understand why you would advocate trading a young prospect from one of our weakest positions for a reliever when our bullpen is one of our strengths.
Killing time until time kills me
nah...i'd rather him play everyday through at least most of this season....
well, actually i’d rather have had yamaico play everyday but that ship has sailed…colon will be our starter in 2 years anyway so it doesnt matter
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
we hope
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
i still have alot of faith in him...
although the reports from the AFL werent good
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
sounds like a lot of people do
no reason not to keep giving him chances given how thin the system is with middle infielders (probably true of most systems). It would just be nice if he actually hit at some point.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
When Crow For
Carlos Silva (is he still alive) happens, it will all make sense.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
In related Aztec news
Archaeologists have determined that the end of the world as predicted by the Aztecs that was widely believed to be occurring on December 21, 2012 is actually off by a year. The new end of the world prediction date is now December 21, 2011. Additionally, the word “yunieski” as spelled by the ancient Aztecs has two meanings: natural disaster and “plus” hands.
This requires some (more macabre) Statler and Waldorf
“Say, this reminds me of a movie I saw once”
“Oh, really? Which one?”
“Groundhog Day”
“Was it the part where he keeps reliving the same day over and over?”
“No, it was the part where Bill Murray wanted to die so he drove off a cliff!”
by sterlingice on Dec 20, 2011 9:30 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Dayton wanted Yuni back so bad he paid 4 million for the rights
2 million in the Brewers trade to buy out is bad contract, and another 2 million to have him ride the pine.
It’s amazing when you think about it.
With the Brewers chipping in $2M just to have him off the roster in 2012
Yuni really is a pyramid scheme.
If erection lasts longer than four hours
Seek medical advice.
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Especially from Victorians
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS NONSENSE
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you arem missed around here, morse
by me, at least
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 20, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Loving this team
is like being unable to give up on the heroin-addicted syphilitic stripper at the dive on the edge of town.
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by jonfmorse on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You know me too well
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, Phil, we know there are no women where you are.
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So The Woman
From down the street who randomly fucks me every month or so is a man?
/cying game
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by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
LOVES it
no doubt
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
I put something up at Royalscentricity...
I threw up a Fanshot to it, too. Sorry for ad-bombing y’all.
http://www.royalscentricity.com/2011/12/yuniesky-betancourt-futility-infielder.html
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST reply actions
Very nice title
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet!
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Who'd I rathers
Scott is getting quizzed about players he’d rather see signed as “slightly above replacement level” utility infielders for considerably less than $2M.
Adam Kennedy – signed $800K
John McDonald – $1.5M (x 2 years)
Ramon Santiago – $2M (x 2 years) – more of a 1+ WAR player
Nick Punto – $1.75M (x 2 years) – closer to 2 WAR than 1
These are just guys that have been signed so far.
they all got more guaranteed money...
other than kennedy who is less of a SS/3b than yuni
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would have loved to have Punto for 2 years for that money
Much better option than Yuni. Even good enough to start. What about Adam Everett?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
yeah...probably dont want a guy who hasnt been good enough to be on a major league roster for the vast majority of the past 2 seasons
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Think he projects to be worse than Yuni?
I don’t. The numbers don’t. You asked for better, cheaper options than Yuni. You got several.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
which projections are these?
he hasnt had a wRC+ above 60 since 2005 and his defense isnt good anymore
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
All that counts is the last couple years?
You’re working really, really hard to argue that Yuni at $2M was the best option. It doesn’t wash.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
thats 5 years of awful offense with his defense always trending down as well….he wont see the majors this year and for good reason
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Sure he doesn’t hit, but his defense has been good. You completely dismiss his defense based on a small sample of recent poor data. That’s a mistake. But it serves your silly Yuni argument.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
based on how players age defensively...
and based on the larger sample sizes the years before…i think those small sample sizes fit with where we’d estimate him, right? I mean, if he was legitimately still playing good defense dont you think he’d seen a major league field more than a handful of times the past 2 years?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
He may well have been playing defense better than the UZR from that small sample
That’s why you don’t rely on small samples. And we can’t assume that he’d definitely get a job as long as his defense was pretty good.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
you dont think friedman wouldve had a legitimately good defensive SS
as his backup for the league minimum…or on a minor league deal even if he was out there?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe, not necessarily. Maybe he wasn’t Friedman’s top choice. Maybe Friedman had other priorities than an oldish backup SS. I think the smart thing for the Royals is a cheap, young replacement level guy.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Has Augie Ojeda been signed?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see what these guys sign for
Andres Blanco
Orlando Cabrera
Ryan Theriot
Jack Wilson
Alex Cora
Craig Counsell
Another good list
Of similarly crappy players. Moore could get some crappy replacement level player for cheap.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's important to honor the opinions of our facebook fans as well...
Chad Yonker – I like it! So many of y’all fail to look at the overall picture. Yuni is coming it to be a utility backup infielder. Most of the guys who fit that were 37 years old. The only thing left is to have one of our young guys make a big step forward toward the starting rotation in spring training. Monty, Crow, Mendoza – I’m looking at you!
Tim Marks – Don’t know why all the hate on Yuni…didn’t he just tie for the Home Run lead for the Royals two years ago?
Mark Burton – After a little thought, I know some people hate the Royals for bringing back Betancourt and claim he is such a terrible fielder, but his career fielding percentage is .970 and Escobar is .972. Not much difference. He can back up second, short, and third and need I remind people that he led the Royals in homers in 2010. I think they will now get rid of Getz, who I liked, but who had no arm for third or short as we saw last year, and had no pop to his bat. I never would have expected this signing, but let’s see where it goes.
Patrick Scott – Wow come on now guys.. betancourt had the best year of his career with us!! Did u forget about that???? He can hit and hes a good defender
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Yes, a shame that Escobar only makes errors .002 less often than Yuni
on the gorillionty balls he gets to that Yuni can’t.
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Gorillionty Billion?
That sounds like a lot
by sterlingice on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I hope this is sarcastic
Don’t know why all the hate on Yuni…didn’t he just tie for the Home Run lead for the Royals two years ago?
Otherwise, f-you Facebook … … EFF YOU
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 21, 2011 3:11 AM EST up reply actions
And Defensively, Too
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by philofthenorth on Dec 21, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Even without the Yuni FB comments
one of these guys is looking to Mendoza to be his savior, and the other likes Getz. Pretty much all you need to know there.
Wow... I missed a lot in 6 hours apparently...
I’m not even surprised about this… If anything, I’m surprised that you’re all surprised? On a scale of “Signing Jeff Francouer” to a “10”, I’d rank it about a 2 after trading Aviles and the Aviles replacement…
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST reply actions
My initial reaction to this was that this was April Fool's Day
Even though that makes literally no sense. My brain teleported four months into the future in order to cope with the information it just received, and for a brief moment I was able to laugh carefree.
“What a hilarious joke!” I thought. “Such rascals!”
But then I remembered that I’m in the midst of Christmas shopping. For Christmas presents. To give on Christmas. Which is in December. And my heart plummeted.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
But we had to replace the grand slams after trading away Melky...
Process vindicated
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 PM EST reply actions
barely any unless he gets hurt...
our manager doesnt like to use his backups, which is the most legitimate criticism of this move….they shouldnt have spent $2 million on a UIF at all
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Barely any? Why? Because Moore/Yost would never play the worse player over the better player?
Amazing how you give these guys the benefit of the doubt. How long does Moose have to struggle early in the season to get benched?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
(or sent down)
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
that has nothing to do with it....
how often did our backups play last year?….
now, if there’s an injury, he’ll play…alot…and i’ll want to vomit with the rest of you
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
What if Moose struggles
Has a horrible April. He could go to Omaha, and then Yuni is our starting 3B. I think they are more likely to send him down since they have their prize Yuni there for everyday duty.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
We were extremely lucky with our lack of injuries last year.
If anything, it would be plain weird if we had that sort of luck two years in the row. Someone in our infield will go down for 30+ games in 2012… I’d bet money on it.
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by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to answer that question
Because the Royals broke camp with Aviles and Betemit as the 3B / UI. These guys were deep sixed for Moose and later on Gio was called up, relegating Getz to utility duty. It’s hard to pin down where the PAs for the backups came from, as there were multiple starters throughout the year.
getz was the guy...then gio was the guy
kila was the guy….then hosmer was the guy….betemit and aviles split it up for awhile then they were both gone and moose was the guy
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Then they had to getta guy
Because the guy backing up the guys got canned so they could pick up this other guy.
well...he struggled quite mightily early on last year...
and he still was out there basically every day…no reason to believe that wont be the case this year….escobary was atrocious for two months…still out there every day
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
And they didn't have Yuni there to replace him
Yuni is a vet. Great tools. Lots of experience. He’s been a MLB regular. He’s ready to step in! (so sayeth the Royals mgt.)
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
did they say anything like this
or is this just mind reading?
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Just guessing
Let’s read the paper in the morning and see what Moore has to say.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is unlikely Yuni was brought in to push Moose
I think Gia and Escobar are the likely targets
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't even jokingly suggest that they said he was there to take over 3B
I suggested many things they’d say about Yuni and his talents and value. I think they’d be comfortable with him taking over for Moose if he struggled.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I would hope Moose would have to be at about 130/160/170 in mid-May
for him to be sent down. they probably would have to be comfortable considering they just gave the guy 2M+. quite baffling. is the royals medical/training staff considered to be top notch, i have my fingers crossed for no infield injuries.
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Rany wrote a great post about how the training staff has really improved in the last year
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by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
i think the white sox are known for having a A+ medical staff
hopefully the injury free 2011 season from the position guys was a result of a better training staff.
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet that Dayton says
Roughly 80% of that in the KC Star interview.
So, 15 of those 19 words, and that’s with me giving Dayton the benefit of the doubt and rounding down.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
The author of the post suggested DM might make
this part of another deal. Anybody have any idea how Yuni could be made part of another move?
Ultra-nationalism on GMDM's part...
...collecting those god-less Cubans so we can send them back home
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Not just one move, but a flurry of them to position us for a run in 2012
Trade Escobar to the White Sox for Alex Rios.
To create space for Rios, trade away Gordon for a middle reliever or something. Whatever we can get.
Trade Cain and Hosmer to the Giants for Aubrey Huff and use him at 1B.
To fill the hole left by Cain, sign Kosuke Fukudome in free agency and put him in CF.
Trade Butler to the Phillies for Raul Ibanez and use him at DH.
Cut the entire pitching staff and sign the actor who played Henry Rowengartner in Rookie of the Year to throw every pitch.
Plaza Parade.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
You know what though
This is the hardest I’ve laughed at anything in a long, long time. I’m projecting a WAR from him this year in the -0.3 to 0.2 range, with an absolute ceiling of maybe 0.5 WAR in a scenario where he gets far too many ABs and manages to hold the bat right side up the whole time, and an absolute floor of negative infinity, which is where his shittiness is actually intense enough to rip a hole in the fabric of space-time and end the universe as we know it.
BUT.
He provides near limitless enjoyment as a pinata for all of us on here. I anxiously await the new season’s hilarious pictures, gifs, and nicknames for good old Yuni. And really, isn’t that worth $2 million a year with incentives?
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions
I kinda sorta agree with this...
After Mike Jacobs and Jose Guillen and Dick Ankiel and Scotty Pods and etc. recently, it was kind of weird last year not having a player to actively hate anymore. I mean we all assumed it would be Frenchy, but I think it would be hard for even the most cynical of us to say they hate Frenchy. I even halfway enjoyed his Freedomness last year… I think as Royals fans, we almost need a player to focus our collective bitterness on.
He’s the hero Gotham Kansas City needs, but not the one it deserves right now.
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Getz filled in nicely last year
Timmy Collins was getting to that area
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Aw come on
I could never bring myself to hate on Timmy, even though his BB/9 was practically 9.
But yeah, dammit Getz.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Getz and Timmy...
… felt like cheap substitutes after Jacobs and Hoagie. Yes, Getz sucks immensely, but I never feel like he’s not trying. Same for Collins.
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
this is probably true
getz comes off as sort of a tool to me, so i can’t stomach him. collins at least has potential, his wind up makes it hard to hate him.
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
It's all relative...
Aviles seemed like the biggest tool we’ve had in a long time, and I can’t say I was excited to see him go.
Especially now…
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely HATED Yuni more than any player in the last few years...
I dislike Getz… but he was more of a non-entity than anything to me. He was just kind of there. Especially once Gio got called up.
I celebrated hard the day we traded Yuni. It was the most exciting part of that trade for me.
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Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
That's how I felt about Getz too pretty much...
I mean I was always kind of bummed when he’d come up to bat, but if you set your excitement ceiling for him at “semi-clutch single”, he wasn’t someone I could actively hate. It was more the idea of him, the stubborn insistance of the FO/manager to play his ass every day.
Loud noises!
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
not yuni hate related but....
how long does it take for cracked ribs to heal? how long and i going to be in too much pain to sleep?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions
i cracked two
hurt to sleep, sneeze, laugh…..basically move, for 3 or 4 weeks. when diving catch attempts go wrong.
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
thats where the pain's the worst....
i have all of those issues too…and i smoke alot…so there are lots of random coughs
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
sleep on the side that is broken
allows your healthy side to get as much oxygen as possible into your lungs. it worked for me. don’t wrap it, get some heavy duty tyenol, take it easy.
by BeauJackson on Dec 20, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
ok...so the heavy duty tylenol will help with the pain...
to sleep and the oxygen will help with the breathing to sleep….sounds like a genius plan to me
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I tell people 1-2 months to fully heal. Shorter if they take it easy and do the right things.
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
fuck fuck fuck....
what are ‘the right things’?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
i never once complimented him
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 20, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't lift weights, strain, lift heavy things, box...
Essentially, don’t be an idiot. Believe me, you’d be surprised how many people don’t seem to get it.
MAJOR LEAGUE (The Royals)
Rachel Phelps (Royals Management): I think he'll fit right in with our team concept.
Charlie Donovan (Royals Fans): That reminds me, I was going to ask you. What exactly *is* our team concept?
by Royals Medic on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ironically, maybe even money on the time it takes to heal news of this.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Dec 20, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
Those cracked ribs will knit together even stronger than before
But there is no recovering from Yuni. Unfortunately, Betancourt Syndrome is terminal.
by Soria's Unibrow on Dec 20, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I've been waiting all night
for someone to finally admit that this is a cruel fucking hoax.
Please.
by Black and Gold on Dec 20, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions
The best part about this signing is...
…when Alcides starts out the year 0-12, Yost will insert Yuni into the shortstop position for the rest of the year. That’s going to be awesome! Well, maybe not that, but the meltdown on this board sure will be sweet!
It’s either that or Yost will bring Yuni in late in game’s to replace Escobar for defensive purposes. Now THAT will be fucking funny! And sad. And realistic. FML!
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