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Belated Friday Open Thread: Legends Are Mortal Too Edition

First Frank White is canned, now Herman Cain has left us? What a sad 24 hours news cycle. I find the current primary season to be fascinating, as three front runners for the Republican presidential nomination have turned out to be mere flashes in the pan. The new front runner thanks to the reveal of Cain's numerous skeletons appears to be renowned historian and zoo enthusiast Newt Gingrich. Gingrich will now be under intense scrutiny, can he survive? I really hope he makes it through, I already have visions of him coming to northwest Connecticut so he can visit the local wildlife center. He has to be interested in seeing Fainting Goats, Ibex, and the infamous Nilgai, right? Or, I could show him the birthplace of John Brown while he lectures about the tipping points that led up to the Civil War, including the famed Oberlin-Wellington slave rescue of 1858. Will he tell me Salmon Chase blew it? Or does he think Chief Justice Joseph Rockwell Swan was wrong in his ruling regarding the case? My head is spinning in anticipation.

On to the questions...........

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? This question was posed in a game thread during the 2011 season, and led to a lengthy conversation. Take your time with this one, it is that important.

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? At least 200-300 words is required for this question.

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite?

4. Do you have any pets?

5. For us soccer fans, what are your initial impressions from the Euro 2012 draw? For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Have you seen Alex Morgan?

6. A logic puzzle...........

There are four people in an adventure race that need to get across a lake. They have only one small canoe. The rules say that only the slowest person in the canoe can paddle, only or two can be in the canoe at a time, and they must all cross in the canoe. From practice, the know that:

a) Annie can paddle across in 1 minute.

b) Bob can paddle across in 2 minutes.

c) Charles can paddle across in 5 minutes.

d) Dan can paddle across in 10 minutes.

How do they get everyone across the river in 17 minutes without breaking the rules?

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1. I’m not the biggest cine-phile, so I’m willing to bet that a lot of the “best” movies of the decade are ones I’ve never seen. But Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is one that I did see and enjoy and I think could rank up there on the list of many who have seen a lot more movies than I do.

2. Marbury vs. Madison, establishing the role of the Supreme Court.

3. Being a Kosher-observant Jew, the only thing even remotely like a restaurant chain that I’ve ever patronized is Dunkin’ Donuts or Krispy Kreme, which have some kosher stores here and there. Of the two, I like DD better and find KK extremely overrated. Way too greasy for my taste.

There’s a kosher restaurant called Dougies BBQ, which was at one time my absolute favorite place in the world to eat, and they once had eight restaurants in Orthodox Jewish communities in the New York area and elsewhere. Unfortunately, the economy has gotten to them and only one full-time location, in Brooklyn, remains. But if it were still a chain, that would be my answer.

4. Nope, kids are enough work to manage.

5. I don’t hate soccer, I’m just indifferent to it on the professional level, probably because it was never really marketed in the USA in my youth.

6. Got me, unless the canoe gets back to the other side by magic.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Dec 3, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

aside:

went to a baby naming ceremony at Central Synagogue on 55th and Lex last night. It’s the first Shabbat I’ve ever attended. I’m going again. What a beautiful tradition in a spectacular building.

by billexgordler on Dec 4, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations to the proud parents!

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Dec 4, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

1. 2000 were chock full of kiddie movies for me. But in no particular order: No Country for Old Men, The Proposition, The Lives of Others, Tree of Life, and I’ll cheat and throw in a four-way tie between Wes Anderson (Life Aquatic & Tannenbaums), City of God, and WTF, Almost Famous.

2. Louisiana Purchase, which ultimately paved the way for Les Miles.

3. Five Guys. Panera. Trader Joes.

4. 2 cats (Gus, Louise) and a dog (Sheila)

5. A couple of tough groups….Germany, Netherlands, Portugal is nice, England vs France is fun, Spain and Italy in same group is cool. I can’t wait.

6. I had to look it up. Logic is wasted on the logical.

by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 3, 2011 7:50 PM EST reply actions  

You Took My

Answer to #2. Jackson vs Biddle is barely within the window, I think, and I think that was second.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 3, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops, The Jackson

Thing was 10 years too late.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 3, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Dark Knight, Grizzly Man, Juno, Superbad, and No Country for Old Men
2. Louisiana Purchase (sorry Nighthawk). Just a monumental purchase and a monumental deal for the U.S.
3. Five Guys, Chipotle, Wendy’s, Papa Johns
4. No pets, but 4 younger siblings (ages: 13,10,6,4)
5. Not a huge soccer guy, but I don’t hate it, I get really excited during the World Cup, so I guess I’ll call myself a fair-weather soccer fan"
6. E) Chen

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 3, 2011 8:26 PM EST reply actions  

I wish my...

…crappy town of residence had a Five Guys. I’d give my left-arm for a tasty hamburger.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's great

I go about once every two weeks, and MMMMHHHHH and those fries MMMMMHHH

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 3, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Group B is pretty tough

Germany will win Euro 2012

I'm very much interested in the process of pitching." -Brian Banister

by Hanging Brainister on Dec 3, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? ME: No Country for Old Men, Mulholland Drive, Lord of the Rings (pick one), Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (naming this one specifically), and Memento.

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? ME: Despite being a windy Americanist historian (post-1865 and 20th century at that), I’m only going to name the event: War of 1812. With it, we finished our revolution from the English.

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite? ME: Chipotle, Starbucks, Jimmy Johns.

4. Do you have any pets? ME: Do plants count? If so, then yes.

5. For us soccer fans, what are your initial impressions from the Euro 2012 draw? For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Have you seen Alex Morgan? ME: N/A

6. Annie rides with Bob, and he paddles.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

Is it ...

…lower-case when I don’t add a title/re line?

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you...

… – tu ?

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Country Club with...

…all the freebies. That’s my standard.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it

I’m in the camp that doesn’t think JJ’s is anything special. What makes it amazing as a fan?

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm definitely a fan

I just like the simplicity and I think the bread is amazing and the meat is fresh, it must be a “you get it or you don’t” thing

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 3, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Free smells.

But the combo of veggies and meats are intriguing and tasty.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

as said previously... incredible bread

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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I eat JJ's regularly because it is 2 friggin blocks from MO West...

I like it because it

1. It is super duper fast…literally order to sub in hands in under 30 seconds most days
2. The Vito and the Italian Nightclub have lettuce with herbed oil that make it for me
3. Their capricola is amazing
4. Always fresh. Always super cold. (which makes it healthier to me than Subway)
5. Bread is crisp and not doughy
6. Veggie subs have sprouts which make it nutritionally viable
7. Avocado available

Most people grab a turkey or roast beef regular sub and just don’t get it because it is just a regular sandwich. Get the effing Vito or Nightclub, throw some peppers on that bitch and enjoy greatness.

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I did wrong

I would give it another chance and try something with more vegetable variety. The bread, though, just seemed ho-hum to me.

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

When I do go there,

I get my sandwich on wheat.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

this is a conundrum for me...

there wheat is just 2 frickin slices of regular wheat bread which I would always go with anywhere else, meanwhile the white is hard as a rock, like I like it, and in sub form…why can’t they do a wheat this way?

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the same amount of ingredients.

The wheat is actually good. Their white is just like every other sub chain that isn’t Quizno’s, Subway, or Schlotzky’s.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I will never, ever order a Vito on wheat...

I get veggie a lot and utilize the wheat then

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's just kinda meh for me too.

I’m in on Pickelmans and Which wich. Also kinda like Firehouse when I’m in KC or Planet Sub.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? Lord of the Rings, Hot Fuzz, Donnie Darko, The Prestige, The Wrestler.

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? Eli Whitney & the cotton gin. Always a great essay answer.

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite? I prefer locally-owned restaurants to chains. Can’t wait for DD to make it to my corner of KC, hopefully soon. My favorites are probably Five Guys (burgers), Chipotle (Mexican), Planet Sub (subs). And I really do like Taco Bell. Starbucks and Caribou for espresso, though Parisi coffe (KC local) has a cafe in Union Station that beats them both.

4. Do you have any pets? One dog, two cats, they all came with the wife.

5. For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Don’t hate it, have just never watched it. My high school didn’t even have a team until my junior year or so. I also don’t watch the NBA or NHL.

6. A logic puzzle……….. I spent too much time producing video last night to spend time on this one, though I should!

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

The Pacers? bailing on the Magic?

or is this somehow Purdue related? The Pacers are an interesting team right now. If they can get Nene or Tyson Chandler, they’d get more interesting. George Hill was a smooth move.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Was I high? (figure of speech, I don't smoke)

I mean Magic….what the hell…Pacers?

Good game homie

by tiquanunderwear on Dec 4, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

My answers

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? This question was posed in a game thread during the 2011 season, and led to a lengthy conversation. Take your time with this one, it is that important.

I’m guessing my list will have at least one that doesn’t make anyone else’s list:
1. The Tree of Life
2. There Will Be Blood
3. Children of Men
4. The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada
5. Amores Perros
HM (in alphabetical order): Amelie, City of God, Drive, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, 40-Year Old Virgin, No Country for Old Men, O Brother Where Art Thou, Oldboy, Requiem for a Dream, Step Brothers, 28 Days Later

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? At least 200-300 words is required for this question.

Since the Constitution was ratified in 1788, I’d be inclined to go with the ratification of the Bill of Rights which happened in 1791. Obviously this seems like a bit of a cop-out on the question and is escaping on a technicality.

As that seems cheap, my second choice would be the start of construction on the Erie Canal which began in 1817 and in eight years time would create a navigable trade route from the Atlantic to Duluth. It ultimately allowed for the Union to easily transport goods keeping their troops stocked up with goods while the Confederacy was unable to reliably get food to their soldiers.

I guess if you wanted me to find something that happened in between June 21, 1788 and June 21, 1818, and I could only choose one event, I’d go with Marbury v. Madison, which established Judicial Review. That’s a gun to my head answer. One could certainly argue that something like John Adams keeping Washington’s cabinet who then undercut him at every turn, or Jefferson’s purchase of the Louisiana Territory could reasonably outweigh the long-term effect of Marbury v. Madison.

It sure as shit wasn’t the War of 1812.

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite?

Taco Bell (no ground beef, though), Delaware Subs (small, local/regional sub chain), Thundercloud Subs (another local sub chain), Culver’s, Wendy’s (as far as the national burger chains are concerned), Five Guys, Taco John’s (although there are none within about 700 miles of where I live)

4. Do you have any pets?

Not an animal guy.

5. For us soccer fans, what are your initial impressions from the Euro 2012 draw? For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Have you seen Alex Morgan?

Indifferent to soccer. I root against US men’s soccer because I don’t really like their style and the elation of victory in the World Cup should go to a country who actually gives a fuck. Unless that country is Germany. I dislike German soccer.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

When you say it...

…“sure as shit wasn’t the War of 1812,” you have no idea what you’re talking about. Consult this list, read Taylor and Borneman and Wood, and get back to me.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

You could even...

…read this to learn something more. – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I read the Long-term Consequences section

and will revert to my former statement “It sure as shit wasn’t the War of 1812,” which was again an off-hand remark and I would be hesitant to qualify it as a ‘moment,’ per se. I did try to retain the essence of the literal reading of the question with specificity to that word.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Taylor's argument is..

…that it is the War of 1812 that actually finished the American Revolution—-separated us culturally from things “British” and allowed for the forthcoming “radical” democracy that appeared in the form of the Jacksonian Revolution.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Will Hunting is in the house, everybody.

It was primarily a joke, but I may indeed have no idea what I’m talking about. I would argue that a War with no discernible winner that had the surface value of simply keeping the Brits at bay with permanency certainly wouldn’t be more important than the establishment of Judicial Review or the Louisiana Purchase or even the invention of the cotton gin. I’m no historian, though.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We won our...

..cultural independence, which is just as important as politics. Also, it was the war of 1812 that fully separated us from the British as a potential military power (“winners” and “losers” notwithstanding).

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If you want to paint the picture of the divorced couple

who stumble back into bed for a spell only to separate messily again and with finality, I’ll let you paint that narrative.

I still do not see this as more important than any of the other three moments, and my first technical answer of the Ratification of the Bill of Rights is also more important, although I am not entirely sure it wouldn’t be disqualified, at least in spirit, from this conversation.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Then clearly this seems most important,

even more so than Marbury v. Madison, as these amendments affect us all on a daily basis.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

pretty important

GW stepping down, Jefferson beating Adams, Hamilton’s hubris…..and somehow Doc Brown was probably involved in something

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't know

was that tidbit thrown somewhere in the third installment?

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

Joke.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

well i looked it up anyway

and in the cartoon series, apparently Biff’s great grandfather was a confederate soldier.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Mad Dog's dad? Nice.

I knew he couldn’t have been Union.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Marbury v Madison gets overrated a bit

The principal of judicial review is certainly important in today’s world, but it had almost no effect for the next 60 years. The next time the Supreme Court struck down a law as unconstitutional was in Dred Scott, 54 years later.

Until the late 19th century, the Supreme Court was still meeting in the basement of the Senate and was not really acting as a separate and equal branch. Marshall deserves his place in history and he had a lot of foresight, but the authority of the Supreme Court derives from Marbury only as a technical matter. The real authority comes from respect built up in decisions by Justices many decades later.

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, it occurs to me that you probably took this as a slight to you.

You did read my comment about not having read anyone’s answers before I wrote this, right? That was true, and I was really making a joke about the relative pointlessness (your cultural separation argument put aside for a second) of the War of 1812: The War No One Won. I’d also be disinclined to qualify the War of 1812 as a moment, which is how I answered in each of my choices.

I thought it was weird you chose to get chippy about this and just went back and read your answers. It all makes sense now.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 3:30 AM EST up reply actions  

No problem at all. It was...

…late at night, I had two beers, and I’m a historian. Why not engage in a good-natured tug-of-war about the significance of the War of 1812?

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 4, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

As always, I posted my answers before going back and reading anyone else's

I see what ultimately was my choice for #2 was also cmkeller’s. Fair enough.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay.

…To be honest, I can seen arguments for the Louisiana Purchase, but have recently come around to stronger feelings about the War of 1812.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 3, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

We should have lost the War of 1812

The Navy acquitted themselves pretty well, but part of the reason that the War gets no respect is that it showed how vulnerable we were rather than how strong we were. If the British have halfway competent generals in Canada, we’d have gotten clobbered — maybe lost our independence altogether. Our biggest victory on land didn’t come until after the War was over.

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I stick w/ the chicken @ Taco Bell. Love the TJ’s too, there aren’t within probably 40 miles of me though. Might as well be 700.

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's where you're wrong.

I’d drive 40 miles for TJ’s. 700 is a long haul.

I once actually called ahead to a TJ’s on Kansas Avenue in Bonner Springs and told them the change from my $20 was theirs if they held an order of Oles and two Chicken and Potato Burritos 20 minutes past close. I was driving back to Minnesota and was going to hit the location later than I’d anticipated. I’m sure they thought that was weird as hell.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The Potato Ole

In theory, a sawed-off tater tot, or tater round if you will, salted and seasoned. But in practice, it’s so much more.

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

just looked this concoction up

how is it more than a tater tot? how would a food writer condescendingly describe them?

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not, but it is

It’s a tater tot with a sprinkling of salt and some basic spices. But have a bucket of them dipped in hot nacho cheese sauce and you won’t be the same.

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind a tater tot

but i don’t think this chain has reached New England, so I’m likely out of luck.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I can send you one in the mail.

I’ll be in Lawrence in two weeks. My sister lives a block and a half from a TJ’s.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a churched up tater tot.

I’ve tried replicating it to a rough approximation.

Theoretically, take the potato mass of the average frozen tater tot. That would be two Oles. Cut it in half maintaining a circular layout. Press that halved mass of potato down to narrow the width to roughly 1/4 of an inch. Season it with what I figure must be a combination of chili powder, salt, onion powder, and maybe garlic salt. Fry.

Awesome.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Taco Johns is pure fucking shit...

They couldn’t wear Taco Bell’s jock strap (they mimic the menu anyhow).

I would attempt Taco Be$11 under certain circumstances (a RR event or something). I would never, ever, in the history of all the spoiled ground beef/byproduct of the world never try Taco John$11

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

No, continue putting potatoes in my burritos. It makes it better.

I get to each TJ’s maybe three times a year.

I also never get ground beef at any of those chains. Chicken or very rarely steak.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

They make them without potatoes, too, you know

I’m with Duggan. Bring on the Oles. I also like tots in my Super Sonic Breakfast Burrito.

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

btw...for those of you thinking renegue is a racist term...

its not…its an official card playing term (when you play a card and pick it back up)…

how many of you thought otherwise?

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I love me some TJs.

I once made an employee drive me 90 miles out of the way so that we could hit TJs. We don’t have them in SWMO. It’s bullshit and may be the single biggest reason for me to get out of here eventually.

One of my best friends used to live in an apt next to TJ’s in Odessa. He ws so close he used their wifi. I loved visiting him more than he’ll ever know.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Odessa, TX?

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Odessa, MO

Outside of KC

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Odessa, TX is probably the biggest shithole of a town I’ve ever been to.

Seriously.

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by Crooow on Dec 6, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably Rawlins, Wyoming for me.

by Tito42 on Dec 9, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

wait

not Odessa, but Midland.

UGH.

Never went as far as Odessa.

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by Crooow on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Pecos, TX

Is easily the most depressing city I’ve ever been in. It’s shocking to see what the simple act of putting a Wal-Mart in can do to a smaller town. Its downtown is a wasteland. Its a small-scale version of what we all imagine Detroit to be (although I feel like those characterizations have to be grossly exaggerated).

I’ve been to post-Katrina New Orleans, too. Not nearly as bad as you’d imagine, although I’ve not been to the lower Ninth Ward. I’d much rather be there than Beaumont, TX. I’d also imagine that Port Arthur (from everything I’ve heard) may be the worst city in the country. Violent. Poorer than Beaumont.

East St. Louis and Gary are both vast wastelands.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 10, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

But if it weren't for Odessa, we'd never have had Friday Night Lights.

So it has provided me with more joy than virtually any other city in the country (at least that I’ve never lived in).

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 10, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

rec: children of men

Children of Men was possibly the worst marketed movie of the decade. I have no idea how that wasn’t a smash. Had two of the best action sequences I’ve ever seen. Great performance from Clive Owen. Wonderful story; ambiguous ending. Such a great movie.

by billexgordler on Dec 4, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

That single-take tracking shot was breathtaking.

Possibly the best single thing in a film over that course of time. It was like the beach shot in Atonement only it had a palpable point (other than merely to show scope) and conveyed so much tension.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Neither.

Isn’t he just Russell Crowe 2.0? Did see Shoot Em Up. Maybe that’s the problem.

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by PhattStairs on Dec 4, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Clive Owen is pretty awesome.

Should have been Bond.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I should clarify a bit

I’m not a huge Russell Crowe fan. He was great in The Insider and LA Confidential, but it’s hard to get excited about much else that he’s done.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

'Croupier' is fantastic.

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by setupunchtag on Dec 4, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? This question was posed in a game thread during the 2011 season, and led to a lengthy conversation. Take your time with this one, it is that important.

I’m really not a movie person, so pass.

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? At least 200-300 words is required for this question.

The Louisiana Purchase seems to be a very obvious answer here – annexing half the country has to count for something. I might add victory in the War of 1812 on top of that (but not the Battle of New Orleans, because that came after the war was over.)

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite?

Chick Fil-A, Wendy’s, Five Guys. Maybe favorite is Five Guys.

4. Do you have any pets?

I have two rats.

5. For us soccer fans, what are your initial impressions from the Euro 2012 draw? For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Have you seen Alex Morgan?

I’m becoming more and more of a soccer fan, I guess it’s fair to say. My brother has gotten me into it. But I still know nothing of Euro 2012.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 3, 2011 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

I’m really not a movie person, so pass.

if this is the equivalent of “I really don’t listen to music,” you are starting to worry me

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I call bullshit.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a really short attention span.

Yet I can watch a 14 inning baseball game in one sitting.

The amount of music I listen to probably more than makes up for it.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 4, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

1. Top 5: There Will Be Blood, Memento, Children of Men, Before The Devil Knows You’re Dead, Munich

Receiving Votes: Brick, Zodiac, Requiem For A Dream, Step Brothers, The Virgin Suicides, No Country For Old Men, Inside Man, A History of Violence, Ghost Dog, 21 Grams, Lars and The Real Girl, Wall-E, Almost Famous, Drive, The Others, The Damned United, Matchstick Men, Tropic Thunder, Layer Cake, Road To Perdition, Frost/Nixon, Royal Tenenbaums

2. I’ll let this one play out to see what people think.

3. Five Guys Burger and Fries. I remember them when they just had a few restaurants in Northern Virginia, and they haven’t lost quality since branching out. Outside of them, I got nothing. They all stink.

4. I have my pit, Jack. He’s a 65 pound rock of muscle. Very gentle beast.

5. Somehow the Oranje always end up in the group of death, it isn’t fair. I think Germany looks scary right now. Excited to see the young Danish star. I think Ireland has a shot to advance playing their insanely boring style. Group A is a joke, how did that happen?

6. Annie is mistake free.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

I forgot Brick, which I loved.

I think Ghost Dog was technically 1999. I actually went to the other room and checked the DVD box. There are both 1999 and 2000 in the fine print at the bottom. I didn’t look further into it, but it would have made my honorable mention list.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn't seen Brick until a few months ago

I saw it on the shelves at Blockbuster for years, but never picked it up. Splendid movie.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you see Rian Johnson's second movie

The Brothers Bloom?

Possibly equally awesome.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

no, i usually pass on mark ruffalo and adrien brody fare

maybe i’ll check it out. i made an exception for zodiac and shutter island in ruffalo’s case.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If you loved Brick that much,

there’s got to be something about Johnson’s verve that struck a chord. He does his genre game again only placing the classic caper/confidence game genre set in the present day. It’s all about Johnson.

What about Ruffalo don’t you like?

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

something about his delivery irks me

his characters always seem pained without much reason. it just seems like he plays every character the same.

i don’t see him as a leading guy, and he’s not a versatile second guy either. he’s just kind of meh.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of all of that, see The Brothers Bloom.

When have I steered you wrong on movies?

Don’t answer that.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm not enthused with your hatred of minority report

but i’ll probably check this movies out. need to see take shelter.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I really do hate Minority Report.

It made my ten worst of the last decade list. I hate Spielberg and actually saw that in the theater. So heavy-handed.

Spielberg made #1 or 2 on that list with IJ: KoCS, too. If it wasn’t #1, Pirates 2 was. Utter shit.

Did not see Munich.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 3, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

what is IJ: KoCS? i liked minority report

and then i saw your review and i’m ruined, ruined.

munich is quite something. well paced, tense as hell, well acted, etc.

by BeauJackson on Dec 3, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

At this point, it is hard for me to enjoy a Spielberg film.

I go in with prejudice and start picking it apart from the beginning of the credits. I can’t help it.

With all of his serious films, he gets on his soap box and starts preaching.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls. Holy shit was that awful.

To be fair, I never ‘reviewed’ Minority Report. I simply wrote up a little something about how much I hated it in a larger column that happened to include it with a bunch of other movies that includes Master of Disguise, Pirates 2, IJ: KoCS, X-Men 3, Juno, Max Payne, and Elizabethtown.

And these are simply movies I didn’t like.

Has there been a recommendation that you disliked? I’m actually curious.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

not that i can recall from what i've seen.

generally i’m on the same page. i was happy to see someone else wasn’t that impressed with x men: first class.

i’m confused by the kirsten dunst commentary. you don’t think much of her in the non acting sense?

by BeauJackson on Dec 4, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

what...

you mean other than she looks no different than any other random blonde walking around on a college campus?

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by PhattStairs on Dec 4, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think much of her in the acting sense, either honestly.

She’s generally one-note. Doesn’t seem to play outside of what I imagine her to be like in real life. Range-deficient, if you will. I liked Bring It On and the first two Spider-Man movies, but she’s hardly Meryl Streep or Katherine Hepburn. She’s also not especially attractive. I mean if I saw her on the street I’d check her out, but by Hollywood standards she’s not stunning or even above average.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm not losing sleep over it, but i think she's cute

as for acting chops, you’re not giving her the due she deserves for wimbledon and elizabethtown. she was solid in those classics. she was good in virgin suicides in all seriousness.

if there is a starlet i don’t understand, it’d most likely be anne hathaway.

by BeauJackson on Dec 4, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Elizabethtown. I thought that couldn’t be as bad as I’d read, but it was. And I love Almost Famous and Say Anything, so I do like me some Cameron Crowe.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

not sure about your take on 30 minutes or less

i thought it was close to a snoozer. had potential but didn’t fully deliver. or maybe i need to watch it again.

by BeauJackson on Dec 4, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call my review a rave.

I said I’d watch it again when it was on TV or something to that effect.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

It's also about three months since I saw 30MoL

Not fresh in my mind to be fair. I remember laughing enough to not be pissed or let down, but my expectations weren’t that high.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Without reading...

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? This question was posed in a game thread during the 2011 season, and led to a lengthy conversation. Take your time with this one, it is that important.

2001: A Space Odyssey…errr…nevermind:
1. No Country For Old Men- was effing flawless (and I read the book before hand)
2. There Will Be Blood- can Daniel Day Lewis win the Best Actor Oscar for this movie twice?
3. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind- just individual preference with this one
4. Toy Story 3- animation done to perfection because of intricate, engaging plot line
5. Inception- was just effing cool as hell

Honorable Mention: Requiem for a Dream, Finding Nemo, Inglorious Basterds

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? At least 200-300 words is required for this question.

Free Masonry

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite?

My wife and I are huge fans of Texas Roadhouse: excellent service, food, and pricing. Only downside is huge crowds.

We also love (gulp) Olive Garden for the soup and salad anytime of day.

CHIPOTLE! Can’t go wrong there, except for the visit to the Commodores concert that happens 15 minutes later. In Liberty there is a Lemon Tree yogurt shop right next to Chipotle. I swear these 2 need to partner up. The stomach explosion of Chipotle combined with the mellowing of delicious frozen yogurt is so delightful. If I had a chunk of extra money laying around I would invest in Chipotle because they haven’t franchised yet. They have a simple way of doing business (menu hasn’t changed in forever and with the few items they never excessively waist resources because the pans empty daily) and if they franchise I look for a big boom.

Love me some Panda Express.
I like a lot of chains when they do it right!

4. Do you have any pets?

A gigantic 80 pound retired racing greyhound named Murphy whom I have shared pictures with y’all after he sniped my dinner one night. He is a big lover and is completely harmless (unless he gets his tail wagging).

5. For us soccer fans, what are your initial impressions from the Euro 2012 draw? For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Have you seen Alex Morgan?

got too much on my plate for the madness

6. A logic puzzle………..

I tried, but my mind is shot after 2 papers tonight. Good one though. Like the jug/water problem from Die Hard 3. I think about that one all the time and quickly remember how to do it.

I am the one who knocks.

by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

We might have bumped in to each other

At the Liberty Chipotle, Lemon Tree, or Panda, then. Frequent haunts for me as well. We tried Red Mango recently and I could barely stomach how sour that stuff was. Prefer the Lemon Tree. They also have a location in Ankeny, Iowa, of all places. Been to that one, too.

by Tito42 on Dec 3, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

thankfully Lemon Tree lets you taste everything for free...

because there is some truly awful ones and some truly great ones…I normally stear clear of adding anything other than maybe some fruit or fruity pebbles (oh yeah!)

I dig Carrot Cake, Wedding Cake, White Chocolate, Pistachio, and the dairy free ones with fruit are normally good

was absolutely disgusted by Blueberry and a few others

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by PhattStairs on Dec 3, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the answer to 2

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I have long taken it as a truism that....

…anyone visiting a sports team discussion board after 8 pm is under the influence of some number of adult beverages. …It’s like the 11th commandment.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Dec 4, 2011 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I have now looked at the Euro 2012 draw...

And in my amateur opinion… Group C is brutal.

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by averagegatsby on Dec 4, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Group B is the Group of Death

Group C is a notch below overall. Denmark would be the 2nd-3rd best team in Group C.

by BeauJackson on Dec 4, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

1. Lord of the Rings, Snatch, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, There Will Be Blood, No Country For Old Men, True Grit (if 2010 is included), Memento, Brick, Elephant, Star Trek, 28 Days Later, Sunshine (Danny Boyle). I’m sure there is a lot I’m forgetting.

2. Too many of great import to narrow the list. Louisiana Purchase, Lewis and Clark expedition, Bill of Rights, War of 1812 and the Treaty of Ghent, Thomas Paine’s The Rights of Man. The cotton gin was pretty big. Had a huge impact on the next several decades by reviving the slave-driven South’s economic struggles. Big time for the nation. Although it doesn’t compete with the last thirty years of the 19th century for historical significance.

3. Is Habanero’s a chain? Probably my favorite restaurant. 75th St. Brewery, Chipotle, Waldo Pizza, Minsky’s, Mr. Goodcents.

4. I don’t technically no. My roommate has a dog, so I guess I kind of do.

5. Group A: Underwhelming
Group B: Congratulations Germany
Group C: On paper looks to be the most competitive group
Group D: Would love to see the Republic slip in over Italy.

We should trade for Vance Worley.

by JKWard on Dec 4, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

1) Films, in no particular order: American Beauty, Sideways, Election, Momento, Restrepo, but this list could go on and on.

2) Moment in History 30 years after ID: Laura Linney marrying Paul Giamatti in “John Adams”; from that point on, doofy looking American men could have hope that a hot, smart woman could someday be with them, as well.

3) Chains: Trader Joes, Aldi, Skyline Chili

4) Pets: None, but only because I travel quite a bit.

5) Soccer: don’t hate it but don’t like it. If I had to say why, it’s that I don’t like games that end in a tie and are not then decided by playing the game (having a shoot-out to me makes as much sense as having a ‘Punt-Pass and Kick’ contest at the end of a tie football game), don’t like there not being a clock to see a count-down, don’t like that the clock continues during a celebration (why not go up 1-0 and then tap a keg and party down ‘til the ref blows the whistle?), and soccer is basically basketball with your feet, so I get my fix of that type of game with basketball and to a lesser extent, football; don’t have any more room in my sports brain for another ‘ball down the field/court to a goal’ game, I guess. Oh, and soccer always reminds me of douch-bags from St. Louis.

If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.

by setupunchtag on Dec 4, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

'douche-bags'

If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.

by setupunchtag on Dec 4, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

...and technically, 'Election' and 'American Beauty' were made in 1999...

so I’ll toss in ‘Fog of War’ and as a guilty pleasure, ‘Dawn of the Dead’.

If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.

by setupunchtag on Dec 4, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically,

Abigail and John Adams were married before the Declaration of Independence. He was 40 on July 4, 1776. They were married in 1764.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the crazy things about the founding fathers is how young they all were

Adams was one of the older ones at 40. Many of them were in their early 30s. It makes me feel like a slacker.

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

Aaron Burr was quite young at the time, but he was primarily involved as a soldier. There were some in their 20s. IIRC Madison was younger, too, but I honestly know less about him than the others.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Birth years of some founding fathers

Franklin 1706
Washington 1732
Adams 1735
Jefferson 1743
Madison 1751
Monroe 1758
Hamilton 1755/7
Jay 1745
Hancock 1737
Lafayette 1757
Burr 1756

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Madison gets no respect

his house has been restored if anyone is interested

by BeauJackson on Dec 4, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Been there.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I went to Montpelier on the same day that I went to Monticello.

It was still being renovated. They really had to do a lot to that house as the du Pont’s changed it A LOT.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

He probably would have gotten more respect in history if he'd never become President

The War of 1812 didn’t go very well, and the bad experience led him to reverse a bunch of his previously held positions, which doesn’t exactly engender vocal supporters to carry on your legacy.

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

There's also the impression that he was sort of TJ's errand boy.

At times, this description is sort of apt, especially after TJ left Philadelphia and his post as Secretary of State at the conclusion of GW’s first term. He is the Father of the Constitution, or whatever his bullshit titular nickname is. The Federalist Papers certainly have their place in history, as does Madison, and I suppose he’s the last of the true Founding Fathers to become President (Monroe was there, of course, but I don’t know that many would argue that he was that instrumental in the Revolution and the actual construction of this Nation).

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but life expectancy wasn't so long then so therefore adolescence wasn't as long.

I mean, the didn’t spend their teenage years goofing off behind the football bleachers. They were apprenticing and going to college and stuff. For that class at that time, they were really bred and raised to be leaders, and luckily for us they did a pretty awesome job and took that job seriously. Not to let you off the hook or anything though…..

by Gross(est) on Dec 4, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Weird, because I've read several other places that say the average life expectancy in the 18th century was 45.

Although admittedly that’s skewed because of all the dead babies and child-bearing women.

I still stand behind the shorter (or at least different) adolescence. I think then it was seen as beginning of adulthood whereas now it’s seen more as a continuation of childhood.

by Gross(est) on Dec 4, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think life expectancy got significantly shorter in the 19th century as cities got bigger

And excluding infants makes a big difference as well.

I do think you’re right about adolescence

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

If you made it through your first couple of years

your life expectancy went up, and if you made it through adolescence, it went up some more. People who reached, say, age 20, were likely to make it to 60 or 70 and had a chance at 80.

City-dwellers did not live as long as country people. Until the mid-19th century cities depended on migration for growth, because their death rates were higher than their birth rates.

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She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."

by Juancho on Dec 5, 2011 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

1. What are the five best movies of the 2000s? This question was posed in a game thread during the 2011 season, and led to a lengthy conversation. Take your time with this one, it is that important.
*All I want from a movie is to consume my attention for 2 hours and leave me with a happy ending or a message. Other than movies about historical events (e.g. Hurricane), it’s rare I actually think about a movie after leaving the theater or pressing eject. Memento was a pleasant exception to this. So I don’t really feel qualified to answer this except to say that nobody is more consistent or great than Pixar. My cousin has worked there for almost 20 years and he may be the luckiest person I know. I just watched Ratatouille again the other night, and I think it might be my favorite.

2. After the United States won their independence and drafted the Constitution, what was the most important moment of the next thirty years? At least 200-300 words is required for this question.
No offense intended to Tim Lacy, but I don’t see how it can be the War of 1812. It was an unpopular war with no decisive victory by either side and we didn’t even acquit ourselves particularly well on land. I think we overrate the importance of wars in history.

I also discount Marbury v. Madison for reasons noted above (the powers it established lay unused for 50 years — hardly transformative) and the cotton gin, which I think gets overplayed. Mechanized looms were going to increase demand for cotton regardless of the gin, and I think too many historians breeze past the paradox that the gin was a labor-saving device when they credit it for increasing demand for slave labor.

As Old Man Duggan said above, I think it has to be the Erie Canal, if you’ll count it (plans were approved and construction began, but did not finish, within the 30 year window). It was an incredibly ambitious project that absolutely transformed the country economically. It shouldn’t have been as important as it was, but with Congress blocking all manner of economic development at the national level, it ended up dictating much of the economic development of the country. Without it, no Chicago.

If not the Canal, the Louisiana Purchase is a strong contender, although I think people don’t realize that the land only went to the Rockies. Lewis and Clark went far beyond the land we purchased. The flip side of the Louisiana Purchase is that we were generally just taking any land we wanted anyway (see Adams-Onis treat of 1819, which extended our claims to the Pacific).

3. What restaurant chains are you a fan of? Favorite?
Quizno’s. Chipotle. I feel like I’m forgetting some others here.

4. Do you have any pets?
A 22 lb Scottie Schnauzer mix named Watson. He’s a monster. Inexplicably, everybody he meets seems to love him. He has oversized ears that point straight up, and he howls along with any sirens he hears, so we’re often awoken to his howling at 3 or 4 am. Incredibly, it is still charming.

5. For us soccer fans, what are your initial impressions from the Euro 2012 draw? For the non soccer fans, why do you hate soccer? Have you seen Alex Morgan?
Haven’t looked at the draw yet, but Germany has looked formidable in the qualifying.

6. A logic puzzle………..
I can’t quite figure this one.

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

Good call on Ratatouille.

It’s the perfect example of that Pixar-ness of just seeming to be a lot of quick-witted fun and then all the sudden I realize they’ve just revealed a great and beautiful truth about life and I’m crying.

by Gross(est) on Dec 4, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No idea what Houlihans is.

In fairness, I virtually never eat at those chains I mentioned. I eat locally about 80% of the time if I’m eating out.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Houlihans is a KC-based chain, right?

Applebee’s is also KC-based.

I like both of them just fine but I wouldn’t put them among my favorites.

by KSinDC on Dec 4, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't eat at any of the chain bar and grill places.

But that’s just me. I’ve certainly eaten at some of them before, but they all seem totally interchangeable to me.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 4, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Houlihan's and Ruby Tuesday a bit better than the rest of that pack

But yeah, the “casual dining” segment is full of interchangeable, mediocre entries.

by Tito42 on Dec 4, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Well late on this one

But here is the answer to #6

Annie and Bob go across first= 2 minutes
Annie goes back to get the others=1 minute
Charles and Dan go across=10 minutes
Bob goes back to get Annie=2 minutes
Bob and Annie go across again=2 minutes

17 minutes

"Trying is the first step to sucking" -Jimmy Chance

by KHAZAD on Dec 4, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Without checking previous answers

1) Really couldn’t tell you. I haven’t seen a lot of stuff that everybody else has seen.
2) Marbury v. Madison. Established judicial review.
3) There aren’t any vegetarian chain restaurants, though usually everyone has something on its menu that I can eat. Panera has several choices. The Olive Garden isn’t bad.
4) Five cats.
5) Spain’s going to be in a pretty good group. I’m betting on them to win the whole thing. They’re basically Barça without Messi.
6) Hell, I dunno.

"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."

by Juancho on Dec 5, 2011 6:47 AM EST reply actions  

1: Five that I liked a lot: In the Loop, A Serious Man, Broken Flowers, The Royals Tennenbaums, Adaptation

2. Whoah. Dudes have some spare time up in here..

3. Taco Cabana in TX is pretty good for fast food. Does Gates count? Winsteads?

4. No pets now. We’re planning on getting a dog once our son is old enough to appreciate the experience of getting one, as opposed to it always having been there. (I hope that makes sense.)

5. I think soccer’s great but with college hoops, NBA, and baseball – to say nothing for an infant at home – there’s only so much time. Also, it’s hard to follow in the States without having to pay for bonus cable packages I otherwise wouldn’t use (Big 10 network, etc), though that seems to be improving.

6. $%^*#$!@&$&^%&&&(%&$!#!#$E%^&%&*(^&%^$%#^&#$%^

by thejosephboys on Dec 5, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions  

Having eaten at Taco Cabana enough,

I can safely say I have had my order fucked up there I higher percentage of the time than at any other chain ever. It’s well over 50% of the time there, and they take waaaaaaaaaayyy too long to prepare your food (and not because it’s fresh).

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I was working from memory when I wrote that. Haven’t lived in ATX in over seven years, and when I did I was a broke grad student. Good call on the wait too, I’d forgotten about that..

by thejosephboys on Dec 5, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure we've talked about this,

but what were you studying? When were you here exactly? Where were you living? Just curious, as I moved here in early ’04. I started working at Spider House (fuck that place) in April of ’05.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Library school!

2002-2004. Lived at 9th/Blanco and 40th/Lamar. The Lamar place was lame but it was across the street from Central Market, which was nice; solid butcher counters should never be taken for granted. Spent most of my non-school/work time playing music at my buddy’s house on the east side (Willow/Waller).

by thejosephboys on Dec 6, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

9th and Blanco is nice.

TSLF works at Central Market and has since 2004. I don’t know if you’ve been back since, but the East Side has really been gentrified.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 6, 2011 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

East side was already on its way in 2004

Nice coffee shops opening up, Longbranch, etc. I understand that the Longbranch folks bought Red’s Scoot Inn as well; when I was there last it was still a Tejano bar and my Willow friend’s neighbors had a rooster.

My last visit was in May of 2005 for the Assoc for Recorded Sound Collections conference. 6th and Lamar was all torn up for the construction of the (then) new Whole Foods flagship. I still haven’t’ seen that. They we’re still sharing a bldg with Book People when I lived there.

I guess I liked Spider House at the time but, as before, I was single and 30 then. Not sure I’d dig it so much now. Glad to hear that there are finally some good used LP shops. There was zilch nada when I was there.

by thejosephboys on Dec 6, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind the aesthetic of Spider House,

but I can’t stand that place. Haven’t been back in about three years. The quality of the coffee was abysmal there. I’m a damn fine barista, and it took all I had to coax a drinkable drink out of their machine with their substandard coffee.

I worked at Little City downtown for three-plus years until it closed a couple months ago (a Republican think tank bought the building and has done nothing with the space yet).

The set-up of the Longbranch has always bothered me, but East Sixth, east of the highway is where everything is now. It’s weird. Cafe Mundi is closed, though. Most of the coffee shops are north of Manor still. You really wouldn’t recognize East Sixth now.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 7, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

East Sixth

I’m sure you’re right about that. Longbranch and [whatever coffee place that was] it in 2004. The former was pretty new itself then, if I remember right. To this day, my only experience there was a Merge Records day show during SX (very likely followed by tacos at Los Huaraches).

by thejosephboys on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing you're talking about Clementine

which has since changed its name (but nothing else has changed) to Thunderbird.

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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 7, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

1. City of God, The Life Aquatic, No Country for Old Men, Man on Wire, There Will Be Blood – it occurs to me that the movies with the biggest impact on me often correspond directly with a similar event on my life - for example I watched City of God with a close Brazilian friend, I watched The Life Aquatic when I was on a 2 month boat-trip, and watched Man on Wire right after I took the bar exam and was about to start my legal career- all three movies really hit me hard, because they each related to something very important and personal to me.

2. Monroe Doctrine – this is just outside the time frame, but the political, military and economic consequences of American domination over Latin America and South America was key to economic growth and military stability.

3. Only chains that get me excited anymore are Jimmy Johns and In-and-Out, but there and none of either around me.

4. My roommate has a dog, which is cool, because I get to play with him, but am not responsible for him otherwise. Win-win.

5. Love soccer, but only World Cup and club soccer – don’t follow the Euro cup.

6. Start with the fast guys, leave one, then the slow guys go over, fast guy comes back, two fast guys go again.

by Loose Seal on Dec 5, 2011 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Still on the fence

about In-n-Out. I I think people latch on to on them giving their employees benefits etc; which is great, obviously, but they forget that it’s just a fast food burger. A perfectly fine fast food burger but it’s still fast food. For sure though, the undercooked fries are lame. I’ve learned over the years to ask for them well-done and they’re much better.

SERIOUS BUSINESS.

by thejosephboys on Dec 5, 2011 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Prefer Five Guys

I had my first chance to try In-n-Out two summers ago while at a training seminar in Long Beach, Ca. I enjoyed the burger quite a bit, and the shake was good. The fries were horrible. It had taken 30 years to finally try In-n-Out, which I had built up for almost that long as the best burger ever that I could never have, living in the Midwest. It might have been the best had Five Guys not came to town a few years prior.

by Tito42 on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

using Miracle Whip instead of mayonnaise automatically disqualifies them. I’ve never had In-n-Out, but if they do the same thing, they would rarely get my patronage as well.

"You're like that guy who wrote that thing about remembering stuff!!"

- Crow T. Robot

by Crooow on Dec 7, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting..

My buddy worked there in high school. I just wrote him to confirm this allegation. His answer will admittedly reflect their practices 23 years ago, but W’s doesn’t seem like the kind of place that has changed its recipes. Ever, really.

by thejosephboys on Dec 7, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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