Winter Meetings Open Thread - Day 1
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 9:09 AM EST
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by Freneau on Dec 5, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
OT - Moral Question
My wife’s and my parents get our kids way too much stuff for their birthdays and Xmas (we are working on this front, trying to get them to buy one or two bigger gifts, but they insist on the flood method). The kids are young enough that we are able to pull back a few of toys (still in the packaging) on the days without them remembering. We sometimes give them gifts on trips, but still have 5-6 left from the B-Days in the early fall. My wife and I are just thinking of giving the gifts to toy drives this year without telling the kids. I wish I could guarantee the kids to agree with it, but I am not sure. Thoughts?
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How old are the kids?
If they are toddlers and won’t remember opening the toys, I think its fine. If they are old enough to remember that they opened the Iron Man action set and wonder what happened to it, that gets dicey.
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3 and 5.
The gifts have been hidden since August (5 year old) and October (3 year old) with no comments.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
A possible way to do it
is to sit down with them and discuss why you think giving to the toy drives is important. Then ask them if they’d like to help share stuff they may get for Christmas, ensuring them that they will get gifts themselves too; you can Santa it up as much as you like, but maybe the option is open to allow them to share in the act of giving.
Knowing my kids, the son will be OK, my daughter will throw a huge fit.
She already has borderline hoarding tendencies. I kinda wish A&E would combine Hoarding and Scared Straight for her.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
We give to the toy drives. We explain it and my children pick out he toys.
My 3 year old daughter picked out 2 whole boxes of toys to donate. It is awesome. Give it a try.
Btw, I never tell relatives what not to buy because they seem to purposely get those items. I think the hardest part about having kids isn’t the kids at all, it’s all the meddling from relatives.
I am the one who knocks.
Btw, I never tell relatives what not to buy because they seem to purposely get those items. I think the hardest part about having kids isn’t the kids at all, it’s all the meddling from relatives.
Small price for you to pay for making the rest of us look at pictures of them and listen to cute stories about them.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
If you wanted to be less Draconian it might even help to let them choose which presents they give away
Giving them a sense of control in a world dictated by chaos.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
I might just start them out
by doing this: On Christmas Eve, keeping this separate from the other present opening, giving them each two of the presents and telling them they get to choose which to keep and which to give to other kids who need more help. It thus separates it from the emotion of getting all their toys on Christmas, gives them a choice as JKWard said, and also gives them a sense of helping others. At that age, I’d recommend just starting out giving one away.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Choice is a key issue.
We have done and highly recommend the Parenting with Love and Logic programs. Psychology studies show the value of control. We always give our kids a couple options (all that we can live with) and let them decide. It gives them perceived control and makes them much happier.
Example: kids don’t want to go to bedroom to get ready for bed so you ask: “would you like to read books before bed? Or would u like to sing ur ABCs before bed?” This mind game works well. Takes some training and patience. Parenting is hard. It can be so easy to get frustrated.
I am the one who knocks.
Also, tricking your kids into compliance
Is good social engineering for the real world that lies ahead.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
So, Sally, this minimum wage job or this minimum wage job?
Do it for your self family
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by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Xmas? Really?
Seeings how you are celebrating Christmas, and your parents and in-laws are giving gifts to your children, I assume you all are Christians, feel free to go ahead and delete ‘Xmas’ from your vocabulary. While you are doing a great job not spoiling your children with gifts, teach them the reason for the season.
Xmas is a petpeeve, sorry.
I too have done the Love and Logic programs, and those programs have turned our house into a calmer, quieter place. We have better understanding, and a better time together.
talk to me, Johnny...
You know that the X
is for the Greek letter ‘chi’, yes? So it’s merely an abbreviation for Christmas, not a euphemism.
"X" is an abbreviation for "Christ".
Its origins are just another spelling of Christmas – there is no secular meaning implied.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
't want to argue
I am aware of the histroy of ‘Xmas’. I just believe that Christ is the whole reason we are celebrating, and buying gifts and partially feeling charitable, and in the 124 words Jeff wrote, he had to abbreviate Christmas?
talk to me, Johnny...
Christ is the whole reason some are celebrating this holiday
For others, it is purely secular. If I’m not upset that Christians appropriated Saturnalia and pretend that the holiday is really JC’s birthday, then you shouldn’t be upset that some people refer to it as Xmas, or prefer to say “Happy Holidays.”
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just glad political-correctness is now not the sole province of liberals
Everyone should be told how to celebrate which holidays!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Christmas has become a secular holiday
for the most part. Which is alright. Its origins are Christian however, and that can’t really be argued with. I just wish people would stop getting offended at both its Christian-ness and its secular-ness.
The origins of celebrations at that time of year
are pre-Christian, so in fact it can and has been argued with.
by 2X2L on Dec 5, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's like saying
that modern American football’s origins were in rugby and, therefore, it is a version of rugby.
If not for Christianity, Christmas would not exist as it is today, regardless of the time of celebration.
American football is, in fact, a derivative of rugby though
Which makes me really confused about what you’re trying to prove.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
by JKWard on Dec 5, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, sure
I tend to think that modern rugby and football evolved from the same sort of idea, but not that football evolved from rugby, persay. I guess it’s how you view it.
But of course... If Christianity hadn't come about...
Pagans would still be celebrating this time of year.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
Dar Williams Wrote
A great song about Pagans and Christians getting together to celebrate the holiday.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
No, it's like saying
that the several origins of these seasonable celebrations matter, not just the one you wish to single out.
If not for the traditions of Yule etc., which were pre-Christian among the people who developed them, Christmas would not exist as it exists today.
If not for Yul Brenner,
Christianity wouldn’t exist.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I can not understand
why this isn’t green yet!
by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Dec 5, 2011 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
If not for Len Euler
infinitesimal calculus wouldn’t exist.
by 2X2L on Dec 5, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't Euler about a century later?
Or is there some distinction between the calculus developed by Newton and Leibniz and infinitesimal calculus? Infinitesimal calculus seems kind of redundant.
Yes, the origins of infinitesimal calculus
are pre-Euler. But without Euler, it wouldn’t exist as we know it today. Applying the Yodazilla rule of succession and assumption, therefore it would not exist.
Q.E.D.
Is it time for the Yule log yet?
Mathematical concepts
and days of celebration are not good comps.
Basically what I’m trying to say is that while Christmas’s origins were not necessarily Christian, one cannot deny that Christianity is immensely important to modern Christmas and cannot or should not be ignored (as it is by many).
Mathematics is a discipline
and not a seasonal festival, but just as with any other human activity it has its conventions and traditions, and they evolve. Most folks who have taken calculus wouldn’t recognize Newton’s calculus, and few would recognize much of Leibniz’s. Euler’s, yes. I think, given a common rudimentary understanding of what mathematics is, it’s uncontroversial to say that there’s something fundamental to the calculus of each of them, regardless of how they’re expressed.
The Roman Saturnalia, pre-Christian Yule, and Christmas in the Christian tradition are clearly not anywhere as much about the same thing; I’m making a very limited analogy here. But there is nonetheless significant commonality that I think should be recognized — and celebrated — by Christians and others. I think it’s good to see past the particular expression of a particular tradition to the things that can be shared. Good exercise in preparation for seasons that are less full of good cheer.
This is not to deny the additional significance Christmas has to Christians as the celebration of birth of Christ. Just as we agree that they cover those great chapters of Luke in Calculus — pick your favorite gospel, but Luke is best on the nativity — we can also agree the Romans were on the whole uncomfortable with the whole redeemer story, so I think the Saturnalia skipped that whole scene also. So let me be clear lest anyone put a rock in my stocking: Christmas has its own unique importance in the Christian tradition.
OK, enough of that. Let’s meet at my house, and we’ll go calculus caroling in my neighborhood. Hot cider all around.
uh, missed a "don't" there, as in
“that they don’t cover those great chapters of Luke” — not where I took Calculus anyway.
I hate names that are pronounced
in no logical way
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
My point with the Saturnalia reference is that way back when, Christians adopted an existing holiday (I believe it was Saturnalia) which was really a celebration of the winter solstice to be the date they celebrated Christmas. So this late winter holiday’s origins aren’t Christian, but it has certainly has developed into something with a great deal of both secular and religious significance.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
The point I was trying to make was
that Jeff is Christian, therefore using Xmas is not really the appropriate way to write Christmas, and using Xmas is taking the whole point of ’Christ’mas out of ’Christ’mas.
If you are not Christian, write Xmas all you want, celebrate whatever holidays you like, by all means. Festivus, Saturnalia, ‘a couple of days off’, whatever.
I do wish you are yours a happy holiday season, and to those of you Christians, a merry Christmas.
talk to me, Johnny...
You made your point
and it was countered. The relevance of Greek was mentioned, and the acceptance of X as an abbreviation for “Christ” — among Christians and others — was noted.
Frohe Weihnachten.
by 2X2L on Dec 5, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
OK
let’s not argue. I think we can agree that that’s certainly not the reason for the season.
I wish you and yours a happy Christmas.
And, as a side project
Let’s get back to plotting revenge on Jeff’s parents and in-laws ;)
They deserve every bit of it.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wrong
Christ isn’t the reason we are celebrating…people choosing him as a prophet is why we are celebrating- and some of us don’t believe in any of the crap. So we’ll call it what we want. I call it “a couple of days off from work.”
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Some of my friends actually celebrate festivus.
Sounds fun on paper, always turns into hurt feelings during the airing of grievances.
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I think it says up there. Seems inclusive of these topics, without even squinting at it.
That's exactly what we do Phatt
Didn’t know it had a name.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
My kid is almost four and there’s no way he’d forget a present.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
This is a touchy one really.
Retro’s right about age coming into play, but you also risk the gift givers asking the kids about the specific stuff later on down the line. My Dad is a perfect example of this. He’s so self absorbed that he’d call my kids and ask them about specific details of the gifts before they’ve even been opened half the time. It drives me crazy. Giving some to toy drives is a great way to go, but with my kids I could even tell them that I bought the toy just for that reason and they’d probably go with it. It’s the original giver of the gift in my situation that would screw it up.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
We have done this with a few toys, but we hesitated on one because my sister gave it and she always comes over to play with our son asking to play with the toy. Good thing we didn’t include it in our Goodwill bag.
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Exactly.
It’s like the rabbit suit on A Christmas Story.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Good point, I should look through them.
I know a couple are Barbies and my daughter has a ton of them.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
My oldest is in 6th grade and she's wise to the whole Santa situation.
It’s driving me crazy because she thinks she’s got insider information now and that she’s a member of some exclusive new club or something.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
I thought most kids had figured it out by third grade.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
We let her hang in there as long as we could.
Honestly, I was really kinda worried about her being just devastated over it. I later found out that her little friends had been giving her shit for a couple of years for being a baby, etc…Little girls are such bitches.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
WHAT
SANTA ISN’T REAL
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
dick
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
This is shocking news
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I do what I can
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
If Mitch isn't re-signed will you riot?
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I might,
but I’ve decided to either go all Scott McKinney or carry the name forever to honor him.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
you could just change it to
wilfreakingmyers!
no one will even notice (except for the weird one L, of course), and it should be good for eight years or so.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 5, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Another option is to sell on eBay and dump money into a college fun and explain that to them.
I am the one who knocks.
Amazon wish lists
We use Amazon wish lists in my family. Helps to filter out all the random junk that might get bought for the kids. This way if my parents want to spend money on my kids it can be on a bike or dora kitchen, not 10 random things.
by spamiam79 on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That would require the ludites that are our parents to understand the whole internet thing
They don’t trust anything from Al Gore.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
How about adopt a family type programs
Makes it more real to your kids than a general charity like toys for tots.
by spamiam79 on Dec 5, 2011 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you're a Marlins fan
Are you buying into the new spending spree or are you still feeling burned by 1998? I’ve seen many Mets fans upset over losing Reyes, but honestly, they have a great chance of getting him in two years.
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I don't think Marlins fans exist
That’s part of why this spending spree is such a farce. They’re taking players away from teams with fans that care and bringing them to a team that has driven off every last fan. It’s a utilitarian’s nightmare.
I hate approaching baseball from a utilitarian standpoint
due to the sheer number of Yankees fans around the world. I know many people enjoy seeing them lose, but this can’t be outweighed by the sheer number of casual fans plus hardcore Yankees fans.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Casual Yankee fans are the worst
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
easy to spot a casual yankees fan...
after the first “uhm” when you say “name off their roster” and they can’t get past Jeter and A-Rod..
by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Dec 5, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Dont forget Giambi, Aaron Boone, and David Wells
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Never underestimate the nation's hatred of Yankees fans
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The first two or three years
of the agreement are the only one’s I think I’d actually want. It’s not hard to imagine that Reyes for 18m in years 4, 5, and 6 isn’t a bargain.
Royal love from the Rockies.
I love what Reyes can do
But he’s only averaging 98 games played over the last 3 years. And this is his absolute prime. If he can’t stay healthy in his 20s, what’s going to happen in his 30s?
Exactly
Seems like the Marlins have bought high…regression is coming.
But it can’t be fun to be the Mets in a situation like this. I imagine their FB fans are furious about losing a guy like Reyes – rational arguments about long term obligations likely don’t carry a lot of weight with those folks.
Royal love from the Rockies.
by AnnoyedGrunt on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think Marlins fans
are probably pretty happy with the binge-and-purge method that has thus far netted a young franchise two World Championships. If they’re anticipating another playoff appearance (let’s face it, once you make the playoffs, the ultimate result is something of a crapshoot) for the new binge cycle, they’re probably cool with it.
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I'm in Biology class
and just finished a midterm practice exam…..My midterm exam is going to be impossible…what the hell is The Calvin Cycle?
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A player may use the CalvinCycle
(See CalvinCycle Equipment – 2.2) in any way the player see fits, whether it be to incur injury upon other players or to gain benefits for himself.
by 2X2L on Dec 5, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Isn't the Calvin Cycle the opposite of the Krebs Cycle
The input is ATP and the output is sugars?
Biology is my worst class
Awful
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I remember learning about it in ninth grade,
but never understanding it.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
Take a lot of history courses when you get to college.
All the tests are essay, great practice for the most important skill you’ll take from college: bullshitting.
More Goofus than Gallant...
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 5, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My favorite college course was History of Rock and Roll.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
That would've been fun.
Showing up to class high almost would’ve put one at an advantage I’d think.
More Goofus than Gallant...
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 5, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
It was a very profitable class - it introduced me to Neil Young.
I was an immature sophomore, though. I made the professor upset on the day when she was teaching disco, and she asked what we associated with the era and I said “crap”. Not a good idea to stand out in a 200 person lecture hall.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
or if you want to major in History
Now the Great Divide of my life is whether i want to teach high school or college.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
I majored in social studies education
only to find that it’s almost impossible to find a job in the area right now unless you’re a football or basketball coach. One district basically told me as much.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
funny. i just had a friend not too long ago say the exact same thing.
He’s working two jobs and went back to school to get a nursing degree. Another friend who taught english before moving in to ministry told me to bite the bullet for a year and coach football/basketball and after having the job for a year you will be in a position to say you don’t want to coach anymore.
Plan right now is substitute until I get my Bachelor’s in Social Studies education and then either A)teach high school while I earn my Master’s or B)continue to live like a pauper for two years while I earn my Master’s.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Isnt sports coaching like a billion times more fun than classroom teaching?
I am the one who knocks.
It's also a huge time commitment
Teaching is already a 50-60 hour a week gig and coaching is an addiitonal 20 at least for the season. There’s also recruiting and a whole lot else. And the pay is, well…
We should trade for Vance Worley.
also, very few baseball coaching positions
And most of those are filled by PhyEd teachers.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Blah blah sugars and starch, blah blah plants.
good enough
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by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 5, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I assumed the Calvin Cycle had something to do with Calvin and Hobbs
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
And Calvin Ball
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Calvin Pickering's four pillars of ineptitude in a single game.
More Goofus than Gallant...
by Tracer Bullet 82 on Dec 5, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
"The Next big daddy?"
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Gahh, I have finals next week.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
I'd take finals
since they’re followed by a couple of weeks of vacation. No such breaks in the working world…
Royal love from the Rockies.
by AnnoyedGrunt on Dec 5, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Unless, of course...
… you happen to work as a teacher. :D
Nice!
Although, I have a BME and am a finance director for a Chevy dealership.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
So in other words
You’re saying you make more money than I ever will….?
Haha. That’s fine with me. I get to play Beethoven symphonies and not study the Crebs Cycle so that’s pretty much a win for me.
I miss it more than you could know.
I direct a church choir, but that doesn’t completely take care of my need to be involved in music.
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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Calvin Cycle = carbon fixation (as in, turns CO2 into sugars/carbohydrates)
Photosynthesis uses light (electrons) to turn ADP into ATP (and NADP+ into NADPH).
Then, the Calvin Cycle uses the energy stored in ATP and NADPH to combine CO2 and H2O into G3P (three-carbon sugar/phosphates, aka glyceraldehyde phosphate, C3-H7-O6-P). The important enzyme in the reaction is RuBisCO; if I know my midterms, there WILL BE a question about RuBisCO.
Next, mitochondria (I think) turn the G3P (which is in and of itself unusable) into usable carbohydrates (typically sugars with 6 carbons).
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 5, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Mitochondria only do respiration
Krebs Cycle and all that.
I just went to look it up and dredged up long repressed memories about C3 vs C4 plants. God, I hated plant biology. The reactions were bad enough, but the genetics are about 1000x tougher than animal genetics.
apparently it happens in the chloroplast/cytoplasm for starch/sucrose
also, this
G3P is generally considered the prime end-product of photosynthesis and it can be used as an immediate food nutrient, combined and rearranged to form monosaccharide sugars, such as glucose, which can be transported to other cells, or packaged for storage as insoluble polysaccharides such as starch.seems like a simple description that would be ripe for a test question.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 5, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
It's all about predestination.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
I knew you were going to say that
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by cmkeller on Dec 5, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me specifically?
Seriously?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Predestination joke
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Dutton's article says the Royals could push payroll into the mid to high 60s
Which would be about enough to take on Wandy. Since I talked myself out of him months ago, I’m a little worried.
You know, I did the same
But now I’d really welcome his addition. But not at the cost of Wil Myers. I really think we need to add another starting pitcher. CJ is out as he already has four offers… Marlins, Angels, and 2 mystery teams. What if we were one of those mystery teams?
A quality SP could make '12 quite fun...
…but it’s hard to imagine that addition happening for a price (either salary commitments or prospects traded) that isn’t tough to swallow.
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by AnnoyedGrunt on Dec 5, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather see them get Garza with that money.
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No surprise here, but several #Royals officials say any major roster upgrades will come through trades. Won’t look to free-agent market.
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Sam Mellinger
Think it’ll get done, but right now not even close MT @jazayerli this would be a great time for #Royals to announce an Alex Gordon extension
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I think exchanging the arbitration process might accelerate things
If both sides are amenable to an extension and aren’t massively apart on terms, I think exchanging arb figures and having a hearing date could motivate them to finalize the deal. I think that’s basically what happened for the Greinke and Butler extensions.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Thursday
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111202&content_id=26078870&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Did anyone see the SEC is looking into the Marlins stadium deal?
I think Passan reported it… Kinda hard to find and post links from phone
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found it
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_marlins_sec_stadium_malfeasance_120211
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Publicly funded stadiums have become such a racket in recent years,
so this investigation is by no means a bad thing. Maybe bad for baseball in the short term.
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I guess they're cooperating
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
The best piece Neyer has done in some time
by KSinDC on Dec 5, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's a really strange investigation
Sounds like the SEC is trying to figure out if the city did sufficient due diligence/investigation into the deal. If there wasn’t sufficient due diligence, the bonds used to finance the stadium may have been improperly/illegally issued. If the SEC ever came to this conclusion, it would be the biggest headache in the world as the City might have to rescind the bonds and eat the $500MM.
Considering the City, the Marlins, MLB, and probably multiple auditors have a tremendous amount at stake here, the most likely outcome is a short investigation, a small fine, and directives to not let this sort of thing happen again. However, the biggest impact of this is that the SEC is going to sift through the Marlins’ emails and the City’s emails, which is going to be very scary for people who would consider doing shady deals like this again.
@@why would an athletic conference be interested in this?@@
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by buddyball on Dec 5, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Tebow orchestrated it
He's a huge Rockies fan
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Ron Santo to the Hall of Fame
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Finally
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a shame here isn't here to see it
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely.
Still, it’s a great day for Cubs fans.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Dick Kaegel was on the committee
Wonder who he voted for.
Results of the Golden Era Ballot (12 votes needed for election): Ron Santo (15 votes, 93.75%); Jim Kaat (10 votes, 62.5%); Gil Hodges (9 votes, 56.25%); Minnie Minoso (9 votes, 56.25%); Tony Oliva (8 votes, 50%); Buzzie Bavasi, Ken Boyer, Charlie Finley, Allie Reynolds and Luis Tiant each received less than three votes.
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That
"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."
The Royals basically had a vote last season with Glass getting a vote.
I thought they spread it out so a few more clubs get a say.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Boyer and Hodges had some great seasons, but not the entire career
Kinda remind me of Mattingley and Murphy.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Hodges was also a championship winning manager
Which I guess Mattingly could be as well.
Do they take that into account too? Or is Gil Hodges the player considered a separate candidate than Gil Hodges the manager? Either as a separate person is a pretty marginal case IMO, but combined they make a decent candidate.
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I agree that guys who are notable players
and then notable managers, like Hodges and Joe Torre, should get into the Hall on the strength of performing two very different jobs well. Torre makes it in as a manager anyway, of course.
"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."
His Playing Career
Is nonpareil
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by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
Even if accomplishments in both functions should be considered together
I don’t think Hodges managerial career was long enough or distinguished enough to put him over the top. Yes, 1969 was magical, and maybe if he had lived he could have repeated that success — almost surely not with the Mets, but in an alternate universe perhaps he could have been invited to return to the Dodgers and to become their manager after Alston instead of Lasorda, presiding over their really good years in the ’70s and ’80s. (He was only 3 1/2 years younger than Lasorda.) But as it was, he had only 5 bad (albeit improving) years with the Senators and 4 years with the Mets, 1 when they were still bad, 1 legendary, and 2 mediocre.
Torre’s a different story. If there are ever any guys inducted on the strength of their careers across the two roles, he should be one of them.
Is Larkin gonna make it?
I hope……..
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think so
And I think Bagwell gets in, although his chances are more dubious. Larkin seems like a no-doubter – just not a “first ballot” guy for many stupid writers.
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Bah
Everyone has their favorites. Why does someone rejected 15 times by (presumably) knowledgeable baseball writers get a sixteenth chance? Nothing against Ron Santo personally…the same applied Joe Gordon, or Bill Mazeroski, or Phil Rizzuto. Whose pet project comes next? Frank Howard? Ted Kluszewski? Ted Simmons? There are tons of very good players who the writers didn’t vote into the Hall. But they had plenty of chances.
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Ostensibly
The reason behind it would be a guy who wasn’t voted in, but maybe we learn more or have a different perspective now and he seems more deserving. But I agree with you – seems like we get far more undeserving candidates that get in (Rizzuto, Gordon, Maz), than deserving candidates (Santo).
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Of course in recent Veterans Committee elections
we haven’t been getting much of anybody. Most of the elections of lesser candidates came before the change in how that whole process was done, yes?
Even is that's true
I still don’t see the point of giving someone more chances, based on a small committee, after fifteen rejections by a broad body of voters. I’d say the Veterans’ Committee should be restricted to non-players, candidates who have never been BBWAA-eligible, and perhaps a nominating committee could suggest re-considering someone who was dropped for low support early in his voting cycle (say, within the first three years of eligibility – Lou Whitaker is a decent example of this), so didn’t get much in the way of chances. I fail to see how someone who was voted on 15 times and received 15 “noes” needs more consideration.
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by cmkeller on Dec 5, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it's reasonable to argue
that the Veteran’s Committee procedure for the induction of players became less essential once a couple of generations of players had had a full run of opportunities under BBWAA voting. It certainly became subject to croneyism.
But I would argue that it will be necessary again. With the difficulty in establishing facts on which to base a fair application of standards, I think there will be a need to clean up after their evaluation of the “PEDs era”, once a rational historical perspective has been achieved.
I agree
In a generation or so I suspect there will be a wholesale reassment of the PED era and several guys like McGwire will get in.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome.
Well deserved.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
The hair will soon be gone
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
From MLBTR
The Royals are downplaying it, but they would trade closer Joakim Soria for a starting pitcher and would also discuss reliever Greg Holland, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Soria, 27, is potentially under contract through 2014. Holland is drawing interest from the Blue Jays and others after a breakout season. Either player would require a significant bounty.
So there’s that.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Dec 5, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I liked Holland last year as part of a Greinke trade
I’d love him as part of a Soria deal.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
KC listening on offers for Soria and Holland
Holland for Drabek. Make it happen.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 12:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Joel Sherman just said:
Royals downplaying but would move Soria for SP, also would talk talk Greg Holland
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Get it done Dayton.
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by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 5, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Does this suggest that the asking price for Holland is higher than it is for Soria?
I’m not sure which should be higher—Soria is more proven, but Holland is cheaper and was better in 2011. Just think it’d be interesting.
Also, trading a surplus (tho very good) reliever for a starter would be a great move. Please oh please oh please.
I would imagine that the “closer” label and the fact that he has a longer, proven track record of success makes Soria more valuable. Holland is just a talented reliever with one good season under his belt.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It may vary by trading partner
Teams with money and loaded with veterans like the Yankees and Phillies would likely value Soria more, while teams like the Rays probably have zero interest in Soria but might give up something decent for Holland.
Because what the Rays need
Are more of Kansas City’s bullpen arms.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
If GMDM can flip either one of these guys for an upgrade
I will doff my cowboy hat to him, spit respectfully to the side, readjust myself, put my goatskin gloves back on and continue stringing fence.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Stringing Fence Is
A neverending chore.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
ain't that the truth
and I raise grass fed eagles….so the fencing is actually quite a chore. State regs indicate a minimum height requirement of 255 feet, so I spend a good deal of my money into fencing supplies. Staples. Wire. Twine. Posts. Post hole diggers. Glue. Velcro. It’s a minor miracle I have money left over for feed, i.e., kittens collected via craigslist and the newspaper want ads.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
a neverending fence that's of neverending height =
infinity squared
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 5, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Where is Chuck Norris when you need him?
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Chuck Norris clogs the toilet, even when he pisses.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 6, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
for a minute there I read "would move Soria to SP"
that would be an idea
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
FLA is doing all of this heavy spending.
But still nobody will show up to the games, although they do have a brand new ballpark. Btw those new jersey’s of their are atrocious.
I can now say this with a straight face, and it will be accurate: Tim Tebow is a better QB than Matt Cassel.
by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 5, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions
One thing lost in the stadium talk is that the new stadium is probably cheaper to run than the old one, in addition to bringing in more revenue.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What makes it cheaper to run?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever it is
this is clearly based on a projection of costs and not an actual measurement, since they haven’t actually run it yet.
Projection of costs for publicly financed stadiums — what could go wrong?
See comment below.
Privately financed stadiums operate under those assumptions as well.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Older stadiums rack up costs
Principally environmental costs but new stadiums are designed to be ran by fewer people. Maintenance is much less too.
Decreasing stadium operating costs was the main reason the Cardinals needed a new stadium.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
People will come at first
For the novelty. New stadiums always have an attendance bump at first.
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People will come
for reasons they can’t even fathom.
by 2X2L on Dec 5, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Also
the dancing fish look happy, but no home run happy.
Royal love from the Rockies.
by AnnoyedGrunt on Dec 5, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
*not
as in “not home run happy”
Royal love from the Rockies.
by AnnoyedGrunt on Dec 5, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of Miami residents will come
Who once thought the team was based in Tallahassee or something
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Isn't it supposed to be in a better location?
Not that there’s really a good central location for a city far flung like Miami.
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I'm just riffing on the "Florida" - to - "Miami" change
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
On site of the Old Orange Bowl
Right in Little Havana….good location
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
The WM post at Royals Authority mentioned that Ervin Santana might be available
He’s due $11M next year, $13M club option in 2013 with $1M buyout. His ERA was 3.38 last year against a 4.00 FIP and K/9 seems to have settled around 7 after being in the 8s and 9s earlier. And I don’t expect the Angels to just dump his salary.
I don’t see a fit for the Royals, but I don’t remember his name coming up before.
Am I crazy to think that a Soria for Ervin Santana deal might be palatable?
They’re clearly in the market for a closer and either of these options is better for them than a FA closer.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t trade 3/$23M of Soria for 2/$24M of Santana.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
WAR
Santana
2009 1.5
2010 2.5
2011 3.2
Soria
2009 1.8
2010 2.0
2011 0.9
Santana is paid more, but he should be paid more as he provides triple the innings.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I hear what you're saying
But do you think Santana provides more surplus value going forward? My problem isn’t just the money, it’s the years. Are two years of Santana’s surplus value worth more than Soria’s over three years?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I tend to agree the two controllable years makes him less enticing
But closers seem to have short shelf lives. I could go back and forth on a deal like this.
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Also, Santana could lead to compensation.
I don’t see us offering Soria a one year 12.5 million dollar deal.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scott, if you were trading for either Santana or Wandy and it cost the Royals the same either way,
Which would you do?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Santana in a heartbeat
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
I like that he’s not changing leagues, and he seems to be improving rather than regressing.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Kinda what I was thinking.
If they’re looking at “win now” moves. This is clearly one that could work toward that.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Soria is getting worse, I think Santana can be a dominant number 1 or 2 the next 5/6 years
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
if we add one more starter which we all agree we need
we compete. And we have closers in waiting and Broxton.
He doesn't put them over the top and would cost big $ and talent
My guess is they would want a package headed by one of Monty/Duffy/Odorizzi and one of the young RPs, since they don’t have to trade him right now.
Random fCasual Slander
Watching replay of MLB network’s Winter Fucking Meetings preview show from last night…Dan Duquette is on, he looks hinky to me. Possibly drunk, high, too many Oxy’s, etc….or maybe he’s just tired. Anyway, he kinda makes GMDM look good.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 12:24 PM EST reply actions
"Hinky" is a good William Burroughs word
"All the boys think she's a guy
She's got crazy Frenchy eyes."
I think I got it from Ellroy....
I love that word
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Holland/Prospect for Drabek
Soria/B prospect for Santana or garza. that is what I propose.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
I would want nothing to do with Drabek right now. He was a mess last season.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I also don’t want to trade Holland.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
If I were them...
I would trade Soria for Brandon Morrow straight up.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
I just looked at Drabek's stats, and they sucked.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
It is not good when your walk rate is higher than your strikeout rate.
Heck, no Royal even pulled that off.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see you've repressed any memory of True Blue
Vinny and SOS.
Don’t we all wish we could.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 5, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
he has really on been an exceptional pitcher when at Clearwater for 9 starts
no thanks. sounds like someone in our system right now.
Only one?
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
i'm thinking odorizzi here
but montgomery might line up more with the loss of Ks and steady increase of walks. although odorizzi did see his walks rise too. i’m scared now.
I could see Lamb also fit in
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
ervin santana now!
duffy is really the only royal prospect who didn’t take a step back once he moved up.
you mean in AA and AAA, right?
things did not go so well in the majors for Duffy
Here's a good life lesson
look stuff up before proposing something
by Gopherballs on Dec 5, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Drabek has one of the best, if not the best, curveballs in the minors. He had a poor year, but if he had done well last year he’d be in the same class as Hellickson. And it’s Greg Holland we’re talking about.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Holland is good
but if he had done well last year he’d be in the same class as He
But he didn’t
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hellickson not He*
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
And? You don’t trade good relivers for top of the rotation arms?
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think Drabek is a top of the rotation guy
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
yep...i think he's a bullpen guy
i think and ive thought since he was drafted that if his last name was something other than drabek, that he wouldnt be thought of nearly as highly
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
But he throws 99
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
It helps his name recognition
But I don’t believe it impacts the underlying scouting reports that much.
This is the kid who was the centerpiece to the Roy Halladay trade. Reports have the Blue Jays entertaining offers for him for a current starter though.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's all about projection
He was rushed, wasn’t he? If he turns into what he should become or what was advertised, it would be a good deal for KC.
23 in AAA as a high school draftee with a 5.8 FIP
not crazy rushed….not gonna look right now but i think he’s pretty much a 2 pitch guy
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
There had to be something last year...
Injury somewhere.. you can’t regress that badly from AA to AAA, can you?
he wasnt particularly good in AA either...
he’s living off of his name and his 9 great starts in high a
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
2 pitches stuff though...and he's a short RHP....
does that not just scream out reliever?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to trade Greg Hollad for a guy whose downside is Greg Holland.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
drabek's downside is flaming out in AAA
he hasnt struck out more than 7.3 per 9 since high a….and he walks alot of guys to go along with his low strike out total…doesnt blake wood hit 99 MPH at times?
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Holland was pretty damn good this year
I wouldn’t be so sure of that statement
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
2 WAR good
Which is a good reliever. But it’s still 2 WAR.
I think if was able to only Drabek throw to his strengths and players didn’t get to see him twice in the same game his K/BB would increase too.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd agree with the last part
I just haven’t been impressed with Drabek(especially against us) and although he must have potential, he hasn’t lived up to the hype
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
i wasnt impressed before last year...
i hated the idea of him being a centerpiece in a greinke deal
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I don't understand this
he wasnt particularly good in AA either…
3.21 ERA, 258 IP, 218 H, 208 K, 99 BB, 7.2 K/9, basically just over 2:1 K:BB…. the WHIP is a little higher than you want at 1.22 but the H allowed and the K are fine…
just addressed that below
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
2:1 k/bb isnt great...a 3.8 FIP isnt great...
and by lumping the two seasons together, you’re missing the fact that his bb/9 went up almost 1 from 2009 to 2010.
he was basically the same pitcher as mike montgomery was in AA. i dont think anyone thought that monty was great in AA. if monty has a season like drabek did this year, he’s pretty much off the prospect map…and thats with monty having 4 pitches and being a big lefty…rather than primarily a 2 pitch short RHP
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
There was regression with control
but I thought that by lumping the 2 seasons together I’d be doing your stats a favor. :)
The thing to figure out is why the regression to start with? New mechanics? New pitching coaches? Just not very good anymore? Loss of confidence? What is the reasoning? If you figure it out you can be successful with a guy. That’s why I said that if he ends up as what he was projected it’d be a good deal for KC.
But the point was he was prospect not because of his last name.
It helped, but he had two decent years at AA.
yeah...and if he doesnt...its a horrible deal for KC...
i think we can do better for holland or soria. i dont think you give up a valuable piece who we have for 5 more years for a lotter ticket…which is what i consider drabek at this point. throw in another one of their a ball b prospects and we’ll talk
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you here
My point was that his AA campaign was better than you gave him credit for. I wouldn’t make that trade. The only way we did is if Eiland has already diagnosed what the problem was and we try to get him on the cheap.
yeah..if eiland is confident he knows what's wrong...
than go for it…otherwise no…let someone else overpay
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
i just don't want to give up holland to get him
adding a guy like drabek to the mix isn’t a bad idea, but not for holland straight up in my mind. i’d be more open to louis coleman.
In the history of baseball
The Jacobs surname has given us players with first names such as Elmer and Spook. I would trade a bullpen arm just to have one of those names on the roster.
Didn’t he have TJS too though. I think you start him in AAA and see how it goes.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats fine...not giving up on him...
but not thinking about trading soria for him….TJS was 2007/2008 i believe…that should have no effect on his 2011 performance
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think it affected his development timeline. The jump from AA to the Majors didn’t go well, for sure. He needed/needs AAA innings.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
seems more likely that he needs the halladay treatment
and to go back down to a ball and start over again…last year wasnt just a hiccup…that was an absolute train wreck
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Based on his stats last year
Which includes a completely out of control BABIP in AAA.
The K/BB was abysmal. But if it was good, he’d be untouchable.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
5.8 FIP takes out the bad luck
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I recognize he performed poorly last year. Again, though. He is a buy low guy. If you tried to buy high on him he’d cost Roy Halladay.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you cant ignore d'arnaud and michael taylor who were very good prospects in their own right
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but the point remains. If he’d had a good year he’d cost a ton.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but greg holland just had a great year at the major league level
why trade him for a guy who imploded in the majors and at AAA? a guy who also hasn’t been very appealing since moving to toronto’s system.
Because one is a reliever. And the other is a potential top of the rotation starter.
As said above, Drabek’s downside is Greg Holland.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats funny...
at this point 2 WAR is closer to drabeks upside than his downside
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
You're way underestimating the improvement when guys move to the pen
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
am I?
“Tom Tango has given us the rule of 17% — strikeout rate decreases by 17% when a reliever moves to the rotation. If we treat the rule as gospel, Crow could manage a 20.3% strikeout rate as a starter. That would go up against an 11.7% walk rate, as Tango also states that walk rate is flat in the move.”
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/is-starting-aaron-crow-a-good-idea/
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
No
Drabek’s downside is a trivia question and a flameout in AAA. The notion that ANY pitching prospect’s “downside” is a major league player is absurd.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
You are buying him in the bargain bin if you trade him for Holland. Drabek is still a great pitching prospect a la Montgomery.
I think the popular Drabek comp last year was David Cone.
by WURoyal on Dec 5, 2011 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As serious as Hoz
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone got paid to suggest/demand that someone else get paid to design a logo...
for the Winter #$*@#& Meetings. Wow.
Anyone want to design a logo for my lunch today?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 5, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Sweep the Leg’s Lunch: Now with nuts!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't we have to create roster space for the Rule 5?
I’d cut that Robinson kid. The one who is a football player and should go back and play football. Derrick.
Only if we select someone
I believe you can make a move after the draft.
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I'm pretty sure in the past we didn't
And picked someone anyway. I could be wrong.
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The oldest version of the MLB Rules I could find is from 2008
Rule 5 states that teams with a full 40-man roster (i.e., its “Reserve List” under Rule 2) forfeit the right to pick.
that was my understanding, too
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 5, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
You both could be right
But maybe you can drop a guy right before the draft. I saw the Reds outrighted Jeremy Horst today, even though I thought rosters were “frozen” last week. I guess you can’t add more guys, but you can drop guys up til the draft.
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that is odd.
I thought that wasn’t the case. Hopefully someone who knows more can chime in.
Kila's slash for Apr 20 to May 4, 2011, right before he was sent down: .276 / .344 / .448
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Dec 6, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
or ryan flaherty to take the spot of getz
i just dont want a season without a Rule 5 guy on the roster
Besides Soria, has KC ever had a Rule 5 guy that was a good pickup?
Jamie Walker, Endy Chavez, who else am I missing? I’m sure there were worse that I don’t remember.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
HYFR
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
Was he a Rule 5? I’d have to look up his stats, but I would venture to say no. Also can’t remember who we flipped him for.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
brewer brought jose offerman
overall a pretty big win there. offerman put up 9 WAR in three KC years.
I was wondering if that wasn't who we got for Brewer
well then, hell yeah, it was worth taking him. Offerman is one of the more under-appreciated Royals of the Losing Era.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Andy Sisco
We could have gotten a king’s ransom for him after his first year.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
but drabek is a crazy valuable piece
funny how things work
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure they could have
It was an innocent era. Big young lefties were supposed to be wild; lots of teams would have thought he was worth a gamble.
Also, back then gentlemen opened the door for the ladies, and everybody wore hats.
by 2X2L on Dec 5, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
They could have gotten something for him
But not a king’s ransom. He was just a Rule 5 pickup who had a decent year but had lots of warts. Sure a big lefty pitcher with some tools always has some value. But I don’t think he was especially valuable at that time.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 5, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I concede the point
unless we’re talking about a petty kingdom. Then I’m prepared to march all the way to the right-hand margin.
There were some stories back then that the Yankees coverted him
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
And KC turned down the offered ransom, huh?
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Thought he could be a starter
Here’s a taste of the thinking at the time:
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2005/8/27/103751/104
Remember, the guy was a BA top 100 guy in 2004 (78). Danny Duffy last year was 68.
Peter Gammons, May 5, 2005:
“Andy Sisco, Kansas City. The Rule V pick out of the Cubs system is raw, but his ability is scary. "
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
And this, this is just sad
“Where Ray should quickly become B.J. Ryan’s set-up man, his rapid ascent pales in comparison to Ambiorix Burgos. Despite a 5.05 BB/9 in the Midwest League least year, Burgos still managed a 4.38 ERA and 172 strikeouts in 133.2 innings. The big league stuff was there, so the Royals thought to start him in the bullpen at AA this year. With huge problems and a successful start (17K in 8IP) in the Texas League, Burgos was called up April 27.
“Since then, Ambiorix has grabbed the Royals closer role. The results have been mixed — trial by fire for sure — but Kansas City must be enthused with his progress. They must also be excited that Burgos is joined at the back end of the bullpen with 2004 high-A pitchers Andy Sisco and Leo Nunez. 6-9 Sisco, the Royals Rule 5 steal, has thoroughly bounced back from a 2004 riddled with lost velocity and inconsistency. Nunez, who I once compared to Juan Cruz, has proven to be another heist since being acquired for 118 year old Benito Santiago. "
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
wow...reading that made me want to puke....
this organization is in such a better place right now
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but how well regarded is anybody that is exposed in Rule 5 draft?
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
When referring to the Rule 5 draft you simply must
Adcock
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I forgot about that guy
I had a Rany-influenced crush on him
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Old Message Board Thread
http://archive.metsgeek.com/articles/2005/12/06/usa-today-winter-meetings-buzz/
I remember mutterings about Benson for Sisco.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
This post hasn't gotten enough love
I love the “and everybody wore hats” :D
A rec for you, good sir!
Then they should have done it
I just don’t remember being that impressed with him.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Thinking of the starting pitching phenominom
Our rotation looks like: Hochevar/Sanchez/Chen/Paulino/Duffy (or Laffey or something like that).
How does that compare to what won the AL Central last year? Verlander/Scherzer/Fister/Porcello/Turner?
Or the AL West? CJ Wilson/Holland/Lewis/Harrison/Ogando?
Or the East? Sabathia/Nova/Hughes/Burnett/Colon?
Or the WC? Sheilds/Price/Hellickson/Davies/Niemann?
OT: NFL Picks
So far on the season I’m 125-64 in the NFL. I’ve lost on every Chiefs game but two. I will definitely never bet on my favorite team.
actually gambling on them?
and picks against the spread i assume? thats quite good
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
not actually gambling, no
Our teacher’s poll at school… we’ve got about 20 people who make picks weekly.
Which two did you get right?
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by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Indy I would assume and ?
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see
I picked them to beat BUF, beat DET, lose at SD(right), lose to MIN, beat IND (right), lose @ OAK, lose vs SD, win vs MIA, win vs. DEN, Lose @ NE (right), lose vs. PIT (right), lose vs CHI… so I guess I’m right on 4 of the games, but right on only one win.
from jon heyman
#royals, who’ve already added 2 pitchers, talking trades for starters. In on gio gonzalez, others. Wil myers coveted by others
by EHIGH on Dec 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would love Gio
But don’t want to lose Wil(l)
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I would love to get Gio. But not at the expense of Wil. If we can get him for not Wil, we have to do it. Right?
I would think so
I really think GMDM might want to hold onto Wil(l) though
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
If the A's call to trade pitching, you hang up.
Have we not learned that already?
Boom Boom Mazzaro
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Different situation when you actually have value to offer
Although I am wary of Oakland pitchers. They always seem to have an injury issue at some point in their career. The only one I can think of to go non-major-injury-free for years on end is that fruity, holistic ass-clown Zito.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Gio is not Mazzaro
He’s a great arm with one of the most insidiously effective curveballs in the majors.
Mazzaro was always considered a marginal prospect in the A’s organization. GGon is the goods.
As much as I’d like to see Myers in a KC uniform, the team has better hitting talent in the system than pitching. I’d pull the trigger on this deal.
If Gio does end up with the Royals, you’ll see as I have, exactly what I’m talking about. The kid has the potential to be an ACE.
I live in the bay area
and watched nearly every start he made. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
his curveball was rated ineffective in 2011
but those people probably have no idea what they’re talking about
I do wonder how comprehensive those ratings are.
I’m assuming you’re citing FanGraphs’ wCB rating. I wonder how much to make of one season’s worth of Curveballs. Is it a large enough sample to make meaningful assumptions? Can a couple of hung curveballs throw a kink in the figures? Perhaps Jeff or Matt or Gopherballs or Scott can help here.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
with 948 curveballs
there had to be a lot of bad curves. it makes sense with him since his curveball gained velocity by 1.5 MPH this season.
But there are often large year-to-year swings.
Is it like defensive metrics like UZR/150 where three years worth of information is more meaningful than one year?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying the data is meaningless, but how much weight should we place on this data point?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
i think just like with UZR/150, i wouldn't make a conclusion based on one year
but, i would still trust them enough to say his curveball wasn’t that great last year. just like i’d trust UZR/150 to say a guy wasn’t that great defensively in a given year.
overall, he still possesses a good curveball. but, the increased velocity may have made it a lesser pitch this past season. its just a data point and something to watch for in the future as a possible warning sign. or, it could fix itself and end up being an odd blip on his resume.
If you rely exclusively on numbers
you sometimes miss the forest for the trees.
Statistics are gathered by humans, analyzed by humans and are subject to human error and false assumptions. Watch some footage of the kid before arriving at erroneous conclusions.
pitch/fx is a pretty valuable thing
his curveball moved an inch less vertically, and 7/10 of an inch less horizontally in 2011 than in 2010. i’d say that would make his curveball less effective.
but, advanced stats are a sham, i’ll just ignore them.
get off the computer...
go look for the forest in the trees or some shit
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 6, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
sorry that you're taking it personally
Was just trying to give you an eyewitness evaluation of his skills, and point out that numbers give tendencies, not the total package.
Peace, Beau.
i'm not taking it personally
just making erroneous conclusions even though i have no idea what i’m talking about.
i’ll just keep looking at as much data as i can in an effort to fully understand what is going on while eating gingerbread pop-tarts in my parent’s basement.
Should we watch this footage with "Human" eyes?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 6, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
In conjunction with statistics and data
yes. That was my entire point. To not rely exclusively on numbers.
Apparently not
he threw his curve for strikes consistently, and gained more angle on his throws as the season went on.
I trust my eyes, not what analysts glean from FanGraphs sitting at their computers.
Bottom line is the guy is a monster curveball artist. It’s still his most effective pitch, by far.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=19789425&c_id=mlb
Watch the above to get an idea of what I’m talking about.
4 years of gonzalez is going to cost a lot
myers would have to be included, unless you wanted to do a package with moose as the key piece
What about Gordon?
What if he tells Oakland he’ll sign an extension?
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
i think gordon signs a 5 year extension by the end of january
unless he gets lowballed, i dont see why he wouldnt want to stick around
I really hope he sticks around too
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
i think it'll happen sooner than that...
i may be giving dayton and co more credit than they deserve but i think they knew that they could quickly follow up getting rid of frank with an extension to gordon
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
NO NO NO
wait until next year for fucks sake….its simple fucking supply and demand
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
it does...but i still think one of the years is a waste
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
most likely
and i don’t think gio is an ace, so it is a shaky move. but i wouldn’t be apoplectic about it.
I've really only seen him pitch once
He shut us down….and he had a flu or something
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
he's kind of interesting
he gained velocity last year, making his fastball a better pitch. at the same time, it made his curveball far less devastating. became more of a power pitcher.
I'd take a devastating curveball over 2/3 mph
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
i had an absolutely devestating curveball...
but 84 just didnt cut it
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I have a pretty good combo of 4 seam/2seam, CB, CH
I throw about average speed though……But I really hate pitching and would much rather focus on playing 3rd and hitting
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I can throw a slider with a little horizontal break...
But it only hits about 68 mph
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
He's the kinda guy
I can see this organization overrating. Because he’s left-handed, he has a great curve and he dominated us live and in-person.
Not to say I don’t like the guy, I think he’ s very good, I’m just saying I can see the Royals being biased towards him.
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A lefty who walks a ton of guys?
what could possibly go wrong?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt either...i'd just rather not
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by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Which would kill Wil Myers' career faster
(A) Torn labrum
(B) Drug problem
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damnit you beat me
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
O.co you mean right?
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
D) never experiencing the leadership of Jeff Francoeur
by BeauJackson on Dec 5, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Frenchy extends throughout the organization.....
Born leader
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
ITS THE EYES!
THEY BURN!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I just fell out of my chair laughing in class
Thanks for the embarrassment broseph
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by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
That is a wicked classy look with the flannel popped out the top.
Is this what our unis will look like in 30 years?
I am the one who knocks.
That's actually what they looked like in 1992.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Glass is too cheap for FanFest
but he pays Burberry big bucks to design the powder fucking blues.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
and still do so poorly.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
too true
look at that photo. Freedom needs a hairdresser post haste. A fish rots from the head down.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
that cliche pisses me off for some irrational reason
(or maybe the rational reason that I used to fish and know that the guts rot first)…anyway, Melky and his bowels were a ticking timebomb
seriously...that collar looks like Burberry
I’d love to see some Project Runway sprinkled into the road and homes for fun…FIERCE FUN
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 6, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
God, I forgot about the day Melky shit his pants...
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 6, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
If it is just Wil Myers, I say go for it.
I don’t want to make it lopsided by also including Mike Montgomery. Myers, Dwyer, Robinson should be more than enough to get it done. or Montgomery, Dwyer, Colon, Robinson also wouldn’t be too terrible.
Rany is a slouching moon eyed optimist
he lost the plot many summers back
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Remember Ice-T's pre Body Count days, when he was half pimp/half gangsta?
And he had the phattest track ever, COLORS? I seem to recall in the movie of the same name, some young gang members are busted by the 5-0, and one of them says in kind of a funny, off-hand vague way, “Cancel Christmas.” This is what I remember from that film. That, and how Sean Penn could get into Maria Conchita Alonso’s pants, and conversely, how Robert Duvall could play the crusty vet with a heart of gold so stereotypically. I believe this is in some way related to the Godfather, Rany, and Santa. I’m certain of it. I’ll close witht he sage words of
Ice – T: “You don’t know me….fool. You disown me? Cool. Don’t try to act crazy, cuz that shit won’t phase me.”
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 6, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Dang, someone bumped the piece up. It was supposed to run at 2:30 cst
About the same. Everyone was talking about him being too hands on. He is just a fairly normal manager.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
What do we think of this?
The Cubs met with Pujols’ agent Dan Lozano today, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.
They are driving up the cost on the Cards. IMO
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by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope so.
I’d rather see Pujols in Miami or Chicago than in St. Louis.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Question:
Is it possible whoever ‘wins’ the Pujols sweepstakes is actually the one who loses? Pujols will not be worth his contract in 5 years. He’ll still be good, I think, but not $25 million/year good.
by Yodazilla on Dec 5, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's likely.
And I actually like Pujols (I can separate the man from the uniform).
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
So if I understand you rightly you're not referring
to the likely that it has, all punctuated up as you’ve got it there.
Apostrophe to an apostrophe
O little mark,
What is thy ken?
I had a lark
And moved my pen
And altered all that was expressive —
Existential from possessive.
I think "it is" likely as we are not in the past tense here.
No one “has” “won” the Pujols sweepstakes yet, but the team that does “is” likely to be the real loser.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and since it appears that you are attempting to become Mr. Grammar Smartass, allow ME to correct YOUR incorrect correction.
I actually used the conjunction of “it” and “is” correctly. Your assumption that my usage of “it’s” somehow implies possession is actually entirely wrong. The possessive forms of pronouns actually do not use apostrophes, champ. Ours, yours, mine, his, hers, theirs, whose, and… wait for it… wait for it… its.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Hold up there, I wasn't correcting you
I was just referring back to your post of two days ago, when you congratulated me for using “its” properly.
There’s no challenge of your usage or your intent intended.
Weird. Missed point entirely.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
What were you saying?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Look back at our exchange of two days ago
when I intentionally fractured the (correct) use of the possessive “its” in your posting.
This is just a continuation of that silly response.
yeah, recalling this now.
My bad. Totally thought you were trying to correct me.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
[ahem] Move along. There's nothing to see here.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
You may be able to find cute little poems with the best of them,
but this guy majored in English.
Now, go back to the grammar dunce table with ‘its coming.’
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
You work in the service industry, too, I presume?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't find a way to read for a living?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Are you in KC or somewhere else?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Sonoma, CA
and, although I’ve visited, have never lived in KC. Brief profile available if you click the radio -→
*clicking...
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why the Royals?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I've asked myself that question many times
over the last 15+ plus years.
Seriously, it goes back to a doubleheader they played in New York in ‘71, when they were the surprise of the league. Phil Rizzuto was on the radio for the Yankees (of course), talking about them as if they were something special. I didn’t realize at that age that there’s a surprise in the league every year; anyway, something clicked.
My family moved in ‘73 at not such a good time for me, and one of the things I did to cope was to deepen a few of my unique interests. By ’74 I was reading everything everything I could find about the Royals, collecting the box scores, tracking my own stats. (McRae’s breakout year, Brett’s rookie year that ended in a remarkable surge.)
Later, in high school, one of my friends was from a family who had moved to NJ from KC, and we were the two Royals guys in our senior class during the ’76 ALCS. Everyone else, of course, was for the Yankees, or just not talking.
Some things have changed since then, of course, but one thing hasn’t — apparently my Royals fandom is still at least in part a coping mechanism. I started hanging out here almost full time yesterday and then again today while my son has been in the hospital near where he attends college; I had to get involved in something instead of just waiting by the phone. Can’t work.
Good news: he has come home this evening, and although we have follow-up medical appointments in our area tomorrow, his situation no longer seems dire.
Cool.
I’m cursed by simply have a non-sports fan father being sort of into the Royals, at least enough to have taken us to Royals games at the Metrodome in the afterglow of the fading glory days. Bo Jackson erased all doubt, and here I fucking stand.
Glad to hear your son’s condition has improved.
This is a nice forum of mostly like-minded and at least even-keeled Royals fans. It’s a different ilk than most places.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it is
I’ve been around a bunch. Just not so much over the last couple of years.
I know who flies helicopters, who writes for a newspaper in Maine, and who lives in Rock City, IL. Or at least I think it’s Rock City, IL.
And thanks
He’s sitting in the living room looking exactly like he was in the hospital overnight. He’s too old now for me to make him go to bed; I guess this is the part of parenting when we wait around a lot.
I hope his condition wasn't self-inflicted.
At least for his sake.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's gastrointestinal
and yes, it was partly self-inflicted. He apparently thought that even though he had a bout of hemorrhagic e. coli as a child he could nevertheless drink like the other guys.
Not so.
I was more hinting at a hope that he didn't directly drink himself into the hospital
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Not a case of alcohol poisoning
but apparently a case of alcohol doing what it usually does to the lining of the stomach, except that his is already bleeding after just a few months.
He has no choice but to cut it out.
We’re not coping with that yet, however. He probably needs an endoscopy tomorrow or the next day to see how extensive the bleeding has been. It had already slowed by this morning, so there’s no reason to think there’s permanent damage at this stage. Have to have a look in there to see what got annoyed and how injured it is.
At least things are looking up.
Good luck.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Got to take the dog out
It’s full dark here now, of course, and the dog hasn’t had a second look all day.
Thanks for chatting with me. It helps.
I definitely recognize the handle from previously.
I know you’ve been less active at least through the past season, but the handle was familiar before these past few days.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ha.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I work in a small town
with small minded people who say ‘seen’ routinely, and it drives me crazy. Hope your son is better in no time.
talk to me, Johnny...
You think it's likely that
he will not be worth his contract and will be a detriment in the end or that it’s likely he will be worth it?
And do we want Danks of Floyd?
The White Sox are asking for big returns for starters John Danks and Gavin Floyd, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. The Yankees like Danks, tweets SI’s Jon Heyman, but they’re unwilling to meet Chicago’s request of top prospects Manny Banuelos and Jesus Montero.
'AND'
Either may be fair trade.
- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not at those prices
Plus the intradivision premium fee on top of that.
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Danks is a free agent in 11 months
If someone really wants him, you can get him then. Plus you get see how he performs in 2012 before making a huge financial/asset commitment to acquire him.
We'd have to give up Myers and probably Odorizzi, Montgomery
so no
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Even more obviously made up than Soria for Montero
Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
My Twitter feed.
Before getting tweaked, read up on regression.
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 5, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely wants Danks of Floyd.
I’m not sure where Floyd is, but it seems like Danks of Floyd has a stately air about him.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
It Is Near
Stratford-On-Avon. Lovely i n the fall, I hear.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 6, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
If we cloned Myers, we could have a rotation of Garza, Wandy, Gio, Jurrjens and Danks
by Loose Seal on Dec 5, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If Marsh was GM
We would have that rotation, and a lineup headlined by Giavotella
Good game homie.....Please don't leave Dwight, and Otis don't trade JJ
by tiquanunderwear on Dec 5, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm setting up cloning plants at One Royal Way as we speak.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
If we had cloning capability
We should have cloned Greinke in 2009. The rotation would be the best thing in the history of sports, and he would have someone who got his weirdness.
the weirdness...
disapates with each successive copy. Of course, by the time they clone the 5th Zack, the talent will be around the Kyle Davies level, as well…I guess you didn’t see “Multiplicity”.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
by setupunchtag on Dec 5, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Which one was the gay one? Retarded?
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Duplicity. Great movie.
If by “great” you mean “sucks diseased and scabby balls.”
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Marsh is now negotiating on our behalf.
Myers for Gio will happen. I’d say it gets done by the water fountain on the 2nd floor.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Dec 5, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions
So what is everyones expectations, or I should say hopes, for a Myers return trade.
Seems like if he was traded he should fetch a pair of high prospect starters and a good outfielder. Would everyone “settle” for that or is Myers someone who commands a boatload? Or should the pitchers be MLB ready guys/current players?
by KCTiger on Dec 5, 2011 3:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd hope for something like Gio Gonzalez or Ricky Romero
- Young
- Starting Pitcher
- Some success in the majors (both in terms of ERA and FIP)
- At least 3 years of team control.
- Likely ceiling of 5 WAR, floor of 2 WAR
I’d be pissed if we dilute our top prospects by not getting a true potential star in return. Pitching prospects are too fickle so I don’t want the centerpiece return to be a guy without some success in the majors.
he's a top 10 hitting prospect...those are extremely valuable
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
except he didn't drabek the 2011 season
when healthy, myers played like a top prospect. his AFL performance didn’t hurt either. and before anyone says everyone did well in the AFL, just know that the future of baseball, mike trout, was a complete trainwreck in the AFL.
But he's not still Top 10.
I think most would put him in the 20s from what I gather.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 5, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
uhh...you'll be wrong...just wait until the prospect lists come out....
no doubt he’s a top 10 hitting prospect
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
I was totally reading that as Top 10 Overall
Glossed over the hitting part. He might be a top 10 hitter. We’ll see. I would be surprised if he cracked the top 20 overall.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 6, 2011 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
FWIW...which is almost nothing....
he was the #5 hitting prospect and 10 overall on the minorleagueball.com community list
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 6, 2011 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I just think we're making far too much out of AFL numbers
and from what I see on Twitter from Law, Goldstein, etc., there is a perception of stock drop.
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by Old Man Duggan on Dec 7, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
Royals interested in Carlos Guillen
Can he still play the field? I would guess 2B partner for Gio?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/five-teams-considering-carlos-guillen.html
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 4:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
WTF
Let’s sign Jamie Moyer, too. The sauce of success is clearly larded with the fat of washed up Mariners.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 5, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd!
for “sauce of success is clearly larded with the fat” :D
Best shape of his life and super-utility guy!!!! I can smell the grit from here
Polidor says his client is working like an animal in Miami and can help at almost any position.
The ESPNdeportes article is less rosy:
Guillén, 36, batted .232 and only managed to appear in 28 games with the Tigers in 2011 and only 177 games in the last three years, hampered by injuries in different parts of his body.
Well at least its not the same part of the body over and over again
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r parts of different bodies
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Egg on my face
10 years of spanish classes and I can’t even translate “age 36” from venezuelan into english
Trienta y seis anos.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
Also, Venezuelans speak Spanish.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
As a bench coach?
Guillen was a pretty good player in his prime, but he has barely played the last two years, did not play well when he did play, and may not be able to play the field anymore. Having someone who could play 2B and 3B as insurance for the young guys makes some sense, but I am not sure Guillen could do that. I guess a minor league deal with no promise of making the team is relatively harmless.
Yes!
Called it! (sort of)
Where’s my prize for Guessing Dayton’s Annual Random Veteran FA Utility Guy/Backup Catcher That Doesn’t Make Much Sense?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 5, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, so...
So far we have interest from other teams in Holland and Soria, the possibility of a trade for Gio Gonzalez or Ervin Santana, and the Royals being in on Carlos Guillen (Who I don’t really have a problem with getting. He’s a switch hitter, and we would only need to put him in on some days. If he sucks, let him go).
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
He's also a "switch sitter"
which means he can sit on the bench equally well with each of his cheeks. Comes in handy for all the DL stints he would be likely to have.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 5, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Better Than Getz,
Who only swings one way.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
That's not what I heard
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
Ask Beckham
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
a courageous moment from a courageous set of men
bounding like leopards across the jungles of the amazon delta, with the musky scent of justice and equality hanging heavy in their feline nostrilseses. SNIFF the braveness.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Never Underestimate Getz
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 6, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Brilliant
"There is nothing shrewd about running a red light and later finding out it kept you from being hit by an asteroid." - philofthenorth
by KeepItCopacetic on Dec 6, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
the possibility of a trade for Gio Gonzalez or Ervin Santana
Its theoretically possible, like its possible I might date Kate Upton, but there have been no rumors linking us to Santana as far as I know.
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What about rumors linking you to Upton?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 5, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I cannot confirm nor deny
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 5, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No Carlos Guillen. He says he's 37, he's probably more like 42.
I’d be very tempted to do a Soria for Gio Gonzalez or Ervin Santana. We have 4-5 good bullpen arms.
I can now say this with a straight face, and it will be accurate: Tim Tebow is a better QB than Matt Cassel.
by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 5, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions
I would jump at Soria for Gio Gonzalez
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with this.
But for Santana? No thanks.
by KCTiger on Dec 5, 2011 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're a Wandy/Guthrie/Oswalt away from having a rotation that can be aptly nicknamed
The Expendables.
And yes, Photoshop would be involved, if necessary.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
If the Royals are definitely interested in Gio Gonzalez...
What would we (as fans) be willing to give up for him… Billy Butler… Soria? I have no idea.
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Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Soria and one of Montgomery, Odorizzi, and Cuthbert.
I’d pull the trigger.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
I would think about that Jack
Soria and one of Montgomery, Odorizzi, and Cuthbert.
I’d pull the trigger.
I would be most hesitant about Cuthbert.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 5, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you guys all so high on Cuthbert?
He was in A ball all year.
I'm a 14 year old freshman in high school with a love for all things Royals and Packers.
2012 is the year we shine.
Because he isn't much older than you
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Im just saying theortical... what is good value given up for him.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
12-14 years of team control instead of 3
saves money. adds lottery tickets. you can never have too many good pitching prospects.
I mean theoretical value for Gio... Not Soria
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
myers/monty/adam/eibner?
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 6, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
yeah...that sounds awful on our end...
but that pretty much fits your first criteria
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 6, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
i'd have to imagine that is what it will take though
a 26 year old 2/3 starter with 4 years of team control isn’t going to be cheap. if that is what it would take, i’m jumping off the bandwagon.
yeah....count me out then...
i’ll wait and get next year’s gio in a market with more pitchers available and where its less likely that theres a wasted year
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 6, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
i don't really want to see myers traded unless you get a greinke level pitcher back
if felix or kershaw is coming to KC for 3-4 years, move myers now. otherwise, i’m not behind the move.
i’d be more open to trading moose than i would myers.
I agree on basically every point
It’s just too much we’ve spent too much time developing. Along with Bubba, Myers and and Cuthbert must bring back “for sure” things- Good is not that.
Got to thinkin about What KC got for Bret Saberhagen- 3 very likely starters, solid bats with no defense, 2 of 3 easily in prime. One (Jefferies) considered a future star. All had significant major league time.
Saberhagen considerably greater and more established than Gio, though he was damaged goods. Anybody know Sabes’ contract status at the time? I’m too lazy to look it up.
by Rufus R. Jones on Dec 6, 2011 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OT: at library to see santa
Rick Springfield biography in same display as Albert Pujols biography
by spamiam79 on Dec 5, 2011 7:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Got done with Santa on Saturday.
It could have been much worse.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Rick is so beloved in Missouri
They named a city after him
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He Wrote A
Song about Sandra Bullock.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 5, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
Just figured it out. Its a sign. Bibliomancy
Pujols will be signed by the team with a farm team in Springfield.
Ok, for someone wanting to trade Soria, what's a fair return?
Both that would help the Royals and that the other team would accept. I don’t see Felix for Soria straight up. But I’m expecting that even if it’s a fair trade, we hear about how it was Soria for Vin Mazzaro or Sean O’Sullivan and some magic beans. So, before everyone gets all excited or down about Soria for an SP, name the SP that you think is a good deal
I think that Ervin Santana deal aforementioned is pretty fair
I just don’t know if Santana fits for the Royals because of his contract status.
So Soria for like a 2-3 WAR pitcher, with 3 controllable years left. May take us throwing in a B prospect to make it fair.
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I don't see Soria for Santana working
A closer for a experienced #3 starter doesn’t seem to add up to me. Soria to the Blue Jays for two B grade pitchers would work for me. Soria for a young 2B who can field and hit would be ideal, but I don’t think he exists.
You're right
It would probably have to be Soria plus prospect for Santana.
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So did we trade Myers, Soria, and Hos
For Carlos Guillen yet or what? What is GMDM doing by leaving that beautiful offer on the table.
by KCTiger on Dec 5, 2011 8:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Holding out for Jair Jurrjens
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Yeah, it's midnight and no moves yet
I think we should call the Dallas police and report GMDM missing
Anonymous scout strikes again!
https://twitter.com/#!/joestiglich/status/143825748308930561
#Royals reportedly interested in Gio Gonzalez, and one scout sees them as intriguing match for #Athletics because of their deep farm system
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It was just on mlb tv about the Royals and Gio being linked up.
Doubting Thomas, the patron saint of sabermetrics
by Jeff Zimmerman on Dec 5, 2011 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
To be the one scout
who is the font of all knowledge, to know and be unknown, to be quoted sub rosa. All this, all this I say, is the acme of the profession.
Also, it’s annoying.
nuts
I should have stayed with it a little longer. To be quoted sub rosa and read by many would have been better.
I have no patience whatsoever.
I'd rather be quoted Surfer Rosa
I am Tony, super bicycle Tony.
by OnixConcepcion on Dec 5, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Dayton, whatever you do, don't get rid of Myers.
Soria and a B level prospect for Gio Gonzalez or Ervin Santana.
I can now say this with a straight face, and it will be accurate: Tim Tebow is a better QB than Matt Cassel.
by ProbablyYoungerThanAllOfYou on Dec 5, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions
Can't see why the A's would be interested in Soria
Seeing as they have a younger, cheaper closer who they are supposedly trading.
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It could be the new Miami logo/color scheme
driving the entirety of MLB batshit insane. Certainly doesn’t seem like an Oakland move.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 5, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Royals asked about James Shields
They want Soria, Myers and Colon..
pass..
by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Dec 5, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions
i MIGHT do it if you take out myers
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Dec 5, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Insert Eibner; Done
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Call it a feeling
But I think we’re gonna lose JJ Piccolo to the Astros.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 6, 2011 12:43 AM EST reply actions
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