What does the Sergio Santos trade tell us about the market for Joakim Soria?
While the Royals aren't actively shopping Joakim Soria during the Winter Meetings, reports at least have them listening to offers. And why wouldn't they listen? We all love Jack and the peace of mind he usually brings in the ninth inning. However we have the deepest bullpen we've had in over a decade, full of young, cheap, controllable arms with more on the way from the greatest minor league system in the history of whatever.
Furthermore, Soria, while still a bargain, is no longer the uber-cheap player he once was, costing the Royals $6 million in 2012. And while many attribute his mid-summer shakiness to experimentation with different pitches, others may be concerned that his performance and his non-elite FIP of 3.60 in 2011 may give reason for concern. There is also the nagging minor injuries the club has never been able to diagnose and the fact that well, pitchers in general get hurt. And the fact that closers are just generally overrated and Soria’s ability to accumulate an arbitrary statistic invented by Ken Holtzman could probably be duplicated by someone who has dominated the 7th or 8th inning like Greg Holland.
This is a market flooded with closers, ranging from elite to "that’s guy is still in the league?" Jonathan Papelbon, Heath Bell, Francisco Cordero, Francisco Rodriguez, Frank Francisco (there is something about the name Francisco that must enable you to be a closer), Matt Capps, Octavio Dotel, Ryan Madson, Jon Rauch, and Fernando Rodney all hit the free agent market this winter with the PROVEN CLOSER label. Andrew Bailey, Huston Street, and Joel Hanrahan are all closers who could be shopped in the trade market. And heck, Joel Zumaya and Kerry Wood are there for the teams that love to stash closers on the disabled list. Its an Ed Wade smorgasbord.
Today, the Chicago White Sox shipped their closer – Sergio Santos – to the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for minor league right-handed pitcher Nestor Molina. Santos and Soria share some striking similarities. First of all, they are both Mexican tough, which is like, really tough (Santos was born in California, but is of Mexican descent). They are less than a year apart in age with Soria actually being the younger of the two at age 27. Both were hidden gems dumped by multiple organizations – Soria because of injuries and obscurity pitching in the Mexican League, Santos because he was a crappy hitting shortstop (hint hint, Tony Pena Jr.!).
Soria has the more proven track record with five full seasons of MLB under his belt and a 2.40 ERA and 9.7 K/9 ratio in 315 innings. Santos has just two years of MLB since converting to pitching with a 3.29 ERA and 11.6 K/9 in 116 innings.
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Year
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ERA
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FIP
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K/9
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BB/9
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IP
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WAR
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2009
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2.21
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2.74
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11.7
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2.7
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53.0
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1.8
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2010
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1.78
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2.53
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9.7
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2.2
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65.2
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2.0
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2011
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4.03
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3.49
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9.0
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2.5
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60.1
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0.9
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2012 $6 million club option
2013 $8 million club option
2014 $8.75 million club option
Sergio Santos – Age 28
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Year
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ERA
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FIP
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K/9
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BB/9
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IP
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WAR
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2010
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2.96
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3.10
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9.8
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4.5
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51.2
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1.0
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2011
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3.55
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2.87
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13.1
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4.1
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63.1
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1.6
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2012 $1 million
2013 $2.75 million
2014 $3.75 million
2015 $6 million club option
2016 $8 million club option
2017 $8.75 million club option
Santos is the cheaper option in the next few seasons, with more controllable years. Soria has the more proven record, although he has greater mileage on his arm.
Santos was dealt for Nestor Molina, described as a B+ prospect by John Sickels. The 22-year old Venezuelan spent most of his season in High A ball, but combined with his time at AA, he posted a 2.21 ERA in 130 innings with a ridiculous 148-16 strikeout-to-walk ratio. Today Sickels wrote:
Molina has a solid 90-94 MPH fastball and keeps it low in the zone, picking up grounders. He also has a very good splitter. His slider is still a work-in-progress according to scouts, but his delivery adds deception and helps his stuff play up. His statistics last year were simply spectacular, and it is unusual to see a relief-to-starting conversion turn out this positively. He wasn't some old guy tricking people; he was just 22 last year. If anything, Molina still doesn't get the respect he deserves as a prospect.
Keith Law was less enamored, writing about Molina:
The White Sox, on the other hand, get an extreme control right-hander without much of a breaking ball who could be a dominant two-pitch reliever, but is probably a year away from seriously contributing in the majors.
Jim Callis wrote in August:
It's all solid: fastball, slider, changeup, occasional curveball. Not sure you'd call any of his offerings a plus pitch, but he mixes them well and moves the ball around the strike zone. Not the sexiest scouting report, but that's the type of guy who winds up in the big leagues.
Alex Anthropoulous was quoted on XM that his staff projected Molina as a #3, possibly #2 type starting pitcher. Of course, General Managers are never the most honest people when discussing the value of players they have scouted, developed, or just traded.
So it appears as if the Jays got a pitcher whose most likely positive outcome is to become a closer-type reliever, whose upside includes a mid-rotation starter, and whose downside includes becoming Josh Banks. He is in many respects, what we thought we had with Joakim Soria when we first acquired him. This trade also takes another potential bidder for Soria away as the Blue Jays now have their closer position filled.
Knowing what you know about this trade, what do you think the market is now for Joakim Soria? Are you happy with that market and think the Royals should aggressively trade him? Or should we hold onto him and enjoy another year of that ridiculous curveball?
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If General Lee Dayton Moore
can trade Soria for the proverbial front of the rotation starter, does it mean he’s reccognized a Closer bubble and is smart enough to cash in before it pops? Or would it be a happy coincidence? I’m so desperate to believe this may be a possiblity that I’ve gotten myself worked into a tizzy. My forehead is covered in a dewy sweat, my cheeks are throbbing crimson, and my groin is trying to defenestrate itself from mis pantalones.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on Dec 6, 2011 10:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Hold him until deadline
Closer market is saturated.
Bell and Papelbon’s agents deserve medals from their clients for getting them signed quickly.
by BlueEyes_Austin on Dec 6, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions
Does this deal not match the closer market so far this offseason?
Jays got multiple cheap years of an “established closer”. Sox got a B prospect. Does it look like someone forgot to tell Williams that closers were going for a lot this off season?
by spamiam79 on Dec 7, 2011 7:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Andrew Bailey being discussed with the Red Sox
A’s want OF Josh Reddick and 3B Will Middlebrooks.
Andrew Bailey
2009 2.56 FIP 83.1 IP 2.4 WAR
2010 2.96 FIP 49 IP 1.0 WAR
2011 2.86 FIP 43.2 IP 0.9 WAR
Entering first year of arbitration.
Before the 2011 season, Sickels had Reddick rated as a B- prospect, Middlebrooks a C+.
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In the OT thread yesterday I think this is where we settled on Soria's value
A mid- to low-B prospect and a project player/live arm.
I don’t think it would be much higher than this.
We should trade for Vance Worley.
Jerome Holtzman
Ken was the Cubs and A’s pitcher
Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to see that this is all confusion.
If that's all you can get for Soria
Then hold him
Or package him
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by KC_Satchmo on Dec 7, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess this is kind of depressing
The quick and easy answer is that you don’t trust Dayton Moore to pull excess value out of a saturated market.
I understand the perceived injury risks of turning Joakim into a starter. But it seems to me like a big risk like that may actually be the R’s best bet for contention.
by sumajestad on Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions

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