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Outfielders for the Royals to Target

Going into 2011, the Royals have a plethora of outfielders fielders competing for just 3 spots.   The problem is that none of the players are very good.  I have decided to go look for some outfielders that are blocked by better/more expensive players in other organizations, but would would be better than any of the options the Royals have currently.

First of all, here is the 2010 Oliver projections for the outfielders looking to be in the mix to make the 25 man roster on opening day:

 

Name Age PA HR BA OBP SLG wOBA Field
Gordon, Alex 27 521 17 0.250 0.350 0.430 0.350 2.9
Cain, Lorenzo 25 500 7 0.260 0.330 0.390 0.320 1.3
Cabrera, Melky 26 546 9 0.270 0.330 0.380 0.310 3.1
Lough, David 25 529 12 0.270 0.310 0.420 0.310 8.8
Blanco, Gregor 27 633 3 0.250 0.350 0.320 0.310 -1.2
Maier, Mitch 29 489 7 0.260 0.320 0.370 0.310 10
Francoeur, Jeff 27 570 14 0.260 0.300 0.400 0.310 -5.8
Dyson, Jarrod 26 459 1 0.240 0.290 0.310 0.270 9

Star-divide

I fully expect Gordon, Frenchy and Cabrera to be the opening day starters, but the backup spots will by up for grabs.  

Now here are 4 players that project to hit better than any outfielder on the Royals besides Gordon:

 

Name Pos Team Service time Arbitration years Age PA HR BA OBP SLG wOBA Field
Wells, Casper CF DET 0 0 26 538 25 0.250 0.320 0.480 0.340 4.5
Francisco, Ben LF PHI 2.05 1 29 435 13 0.260 0.330 0.430 0.330 -0.2
Martinez, Fernando LF NYN 0.13 0 22 442 15 0.260 0.310 0.450 0.330 -4.7
McDonald, Darnell CF BOS 0.15 0 32 470 12 0.270 0.320 0.430 0.320 6.1


Each of these players is in a possible platoon or bench situation and will be seeing limited playing time in 2011.   Each of the players are from a large market team and have a 1 to 3 high priced outfielders blocking them from more playing time.  I decided to reach out to a few other bloggers to get their take on these 4 players.  Thanks to each of them for their time and insight.

Ben Fransico – Philadelphia Phillies – Bill Baer of CrashburnAlley

"Ben Francisco is expected to platoon with top prospect Domonic Brown during the 2011 season. Francisco could have a bigger role if Brown struggles, but otherwise he should get about 300 PA facing mostly left-handed pitchers while starting in right field. He could also get the odd spot start to allow left fielder Raul Ibanez and center fielder Shane Victorino to rest, and should get some extra PA as a pinch-hitter. In terms of ability, Francisco is slightly above-average offensively and about average defensively. Depending on the total number of PA he accrues, he could be a 1 to 1.5-win player." (Baer)

Fernando MartinezNew York Mets – Eno Sarris of Fan Graphs and Amazin' Avenue

"So much of how you feel about Fernando Martinez is determined by how much credit you feel a prospect should be given for competing at a young age. If you think players should be lauded for putting up good-but-not-strong numbers at a tender age, then you still like Martinez and think he can be a major-league regular corner outfielder. He did hit .290/.337/.540 for Buffalo in the International League, and did so at 20 years old. However, if you think the age bonus only takes you so far, there's plenty to question about F-Mart. He's oft-injured; Even his seminal season produced only 190 PAs, and his minor-league seasonal high in PAs is 400 (at 19, when he hit .292/.345/.440 across two levels including Double-A). He doesn't walk much; He has a 6.5% career minor league walk rate. His power waxes and wanes; He owns a .170 career minor league ISO, but that has peaked at .250 in 2009 and valleyed at .148 in 2008. "

"The whole package seems to suggest that this former center fielder can provide strong defense and power, and that his speed would at least keep his batting average passable. The whole package also suggests that he'll have some trouble staying on the field, and that he's one of the older 21-year-olds in the game." (Sarris)

Darrnell McDonald – Boston Red Sox  -- Ben Buchanan of Over the Monster and Marc Normandin of Baseball Prospectus

"Darnell McDonald has a bat for center field and a glove for a corner, as his range isn't good enough for him to stick in center every day. He's a perfect fourth outfielder in that regard, as he can slot in wherever necessary without killing his team on offense that day, but he also has enough skill where he can be utilized in the way Boston did in 2010, when he picked up 363 plate appearances due to injuries to the starters. With the acquisition of Carl Crawford though, McDonald is more likely to be the team's fifth outfielder, coming in behind the superior Mike Cameron, or will spend time in Pawtucket alongside other emergency outfielders like Daniel Nava. He won't see much playing time with the club in 2011, unless another catastrophic injury-filled season hits Boston." (Normandin)

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"Coming into the 2010 season as a Quadruple-A sort of player, Darnell McDonald seized the opportunity provided him by the injuries in the Red Sox' outfield. Some early clutch hits ingratiated him with the fan base and, likely, Terry Francona, earning him more and more appearances in the lineup until he eventually took over the second spot for the injured Dustin Pedroia."

"Offensively, McDonald is a very solid bat for a bench player. While his plate approach is that of a power hitter, his speed is really his best quality, and could probably steal some bases in big situations if called on to do so. In a small sample size, he's been noticeably better against lefties, so he could possibly serve in a platoon as well."

"Defensively, though McDonald is willing to play center, it's probably best to keep him in the corners. There, he looks better than the numbers seem to suggest, and given a normal right field (Fenway's is rather cavernous) I expect he would fill in solidly."

"While the Sox are at a want for right-handed hitting, Darnell McDonald is definitely at the end of the bench. Mike Cameron can mash lefties, and Ryan Kalish will likely get called up well before McDonald gets any significant time in the field. The Sox don't necessarily have a clear replacement they'd be willing to have riding the bench for too long, but McDonald is far from untouchable."

"Though Darnell McDonald provided to be a surprisingly solid option off the bench in 2010, with Mike Cameron already the fourth outfielder and Ryan Kalish likely the next in line to start, he'll likely struggle to find playing time. McDonald provides solid offense, especially against lefties, though his approach at the plate doesn't really take advantage of his best asset: his speed. He can play a decent corner outfield if taken out of Fenway's cavernous right, and is willing to play center if called upon--though it'd probably be best if Ned Yost didn't." (Buchanan)


Well Casper – Detroit Tigers – Kurt Mensching of Bless You Boys


"Casper Wells will likely be a key role player for the Tigers, so I find it unlikely he'd be available for a trade at all. True, right now he is competing with Brennan Boesch and Clete Thomas for the a fourth outfielder role. (Some might question whether this slot will be open at all, or if the Tigers consider Don Kelly the fourth outfielder and will be seeking to bring extra infield help north this spring. That is a valid thought.) In any case, what makes Wells valuable to both the Tigers and possibly other clubs is that he projects as an average fielder at multiple outfield positions. He has an above-average arm and pitched some in college."

"Off the bench, Wells can provide some power as well. Brennan Boesch has potential as a left-handed slugger but his problems in the field make him a riskier option off the bench. Clete Thomas is a question mark. Before having microfracture surgery on his knee last summer, he was an above average fielder and had some nice showings at the plate. Thomas is definitely in the fray and can also potentially help other clubs."

"It will be an interesting competition this spring, but the player or players who don't make the 25-man roster on March 30 will likely be kept around as insurance policies rather than traded."  (Mensching)

Summary

Looking at the group, I like the idea of acquiring Francisco from Philadelphia the best, but it looks like Detroit may be a better trading partner since they have more outfielders available.  Maybe the Royals could look at sending players to any of these teams to help shore up the weak outfield for a few years instead of using yearly band-aids.

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We won't be trading any more outfielders.

They’ll just ride who we have until the cavalry arrives.

LF Will Myer
CF Lorenzo Cain
RF Brett Eibner
3B Mike Moustakis
SS Alcides Escobar
2B Christian Colon
1B Eric Hosmer
DH Billy Butler

Montgomery
Lamb
Dwyer
Duffy
Odorizzi

Pen

Collins
Jeffress
Teaford
Hardy
Melville
Hochevar

Closer

Mexicutioner

There’s your World Series team.

That’s what we’re waiting on. There’s your World Series

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
~Yogi Berra~

by TheK-man on Feb 9, 2011 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

So which 50% of these players are going to fail?

 The most home grown teams (like Tampa and Twins), still only have a roster of 12-13 players developed by their organization.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 9, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I left out the guys who are gonna fail.

Vin Mazzaaro, Aaron Crow, Kyle Davies, O’Sullivan, Frenchie, Melky, Maier, Gordon, Giavatella, …..it’s a long list.

That’s who I see right now rising to the top.

It will be 2013 before all those guys can take the field at the same time and gellin.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
~Yogi Berra~

by TheK-man on Feb 9, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't get your meaning.

14 of those guys are home grown. Plus, I left out the Catcher. And there could be another 2 guys besides 2 catchers who are on that squad who are home grown, like Gordon and Maier.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
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by TheK-man on Feb 9, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I only listed 20 of 25. Depth is anyones guess.

It’s kinda tough to predict 2013. I’m just speculating based on what I’ve read.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
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by TheK-man on Feb 9, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

So the Royals will have a 100% success rate

with every prospect in their top 10?

That really would be the best system in the history of whatever.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Unprecedented in the history of baseball

Or perhaps I should say in the history of humanity, or of the planet or of the universe. In short, it is more likely that I will become the president of the United States than this happening.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

it is more likely that I will become the president of the United States

NO POLITICS! NO POLITICS! THIS IS A BASEBALL WEBSITE!

by Sweep_the_Leg on Feb 10, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I heard NYRoyal wasn't born in the US

WHY CAN’T WE SEE YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

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by RoyalPug on Feb 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But it's all just speculation. Those are my picks.

I wonder who’s going to get to manage that team. Couldn’t be Ned still. Could it?

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
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by TheK-man on Feb 9, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

But our farm system isn't league average right now. It's loaded.

I’m thinking by 2013, it could be 60 percent present prospects on the 25 man roster.

Are you saying it can’t happen?

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by TheK-man on Feb 9, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If you count "homegrown" as players who spent time in the

Royals minor leauge system, then yes. Most likely that number will be higher then 60%. The team might still suck, but the prospects will be playing in KC.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Feb 10, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Someone else started the homegrown issue.

I just picked the best line-up I felt the organization will have to offer by 2013. There may be several guys rise up by then and change my mind.

It’s just a projection on my part.

The actual 2013 team, may be filled with guys who are much better or all of the guys I picked there could turn out to be average joe’s like Gordon and Maier.

Who the F knows.

At this particular point in time. The guys I picked offer the most hope for the future for this fan.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
~Yogi Berra~

by TheK-man on Feb 10, 2011 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

And since, I'm talking about my own personal hope for the future....

I just tracked my hope to it’s origin, and wrote the names.

Who gives others hope, could be 25 totally different guys.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
~Yogi Berra~

by TheK-man on Feb 10, 2011 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

But you do realize that...

every single year there are teams with farm systems that are not league average right? That almost every year has at least one system that is “loaded”? And yet you would be hard pressed to find any of those that have had your success rate of 60 percent that you randomly threw out there.

by Damien413 on Feb 10, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

The number of homegrown players on a roster is irrelevant

A team’s percentage of homegrown players is affected by how well their prospects turn out among other factors, but that in no way means that a team of 50% home-grown players corresponds to a 50% failure rate. Truth is, the “failure” rate for “prospects” goes way past 50% and approaches 100% if you define the terms “failure” and “prospect” broadly enough.

But even worse, consider the logical flaw in your post. The Rays may have only 13 players who were home grown by the Rays themselves, but ALL of their players are prospects who have succeeded in making a major league roster.

You’re probably right that some of those players on that list will fail. It won’t be 50%, because half of them are incumbent major leaguers and most of the rest are 5 star prospects, but some will fail. But you can not look to existing major league rosters to extrapolate how a crop of prospects will fare, because all of the players on that roster have made it in the big leagues.

by moregritplease on Feb 10, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know how soccer compares to baseball in this case

but FC Barcelona has a largely home-grown team. Eight out of eleven Barça starters come from within their system (goalie Valdés, center-backs Puyol and PIqué, the whole midfield, Xavi, Iniesta, and Busquets, and forwards Messi and Pedro.)

Their signing policy is based on filling holes that their own system can’t (wing-backs Alves and Maxwell and center-forward Villa), and acquiring mid-priced competent veterans as fill-ins (Abidal, Gabi Milito, Keita, Mascherano) who can play the less-important matches and substitute for anybody who gets hurt, which is common.
  
Homegrown players are both cheaper—they cost you nothing to acquire—and more loyal to the team. They’re also accustomed to the organization’s way of doing things. And a block of players who’ve played together for years get used to one another’s strengths and weaknesses and individual styles of playing.

The Royals are going to have this in 2012-13. Some of our prospects are going to flop, but some of them aren’t. It’s plausible that they’ve got, say, three 4-5 WAR players and three 3-4 WAR players out of the top 20 prospects, plus a couple of 2 WAR guys and some trade bait. That would equal a largely homegrown team, if you assume they’re going to keep Butler, Gordon, Wood, and Hochevar. This can’t be a bad thing.

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by Juancho on Feb 10, 2011 7:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Love the optimism

but even if you took Baseball America’s Top 20 Prospects in all of baseball for any given year, you might have trouble finding three 4-5 WAR players and three 3-4 WAR players.

by Gopherballs on Feb 10, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the optimism correction

Gotta be realistic. What do you think the Royals are going to get out of this bunch of minor leaguers?

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by Juancho on Feb 10, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Something like

60% of the MLB top 20 position player prospects should succeed
40% of the MLB top 20 pitching prospects should succeed

30% of the MLB top 21-100 position player prospects should succed
20% of the MLB top 21-100 pitching prospects should succeed

That is, if the Royals prospects pan out at about the rate of past MLB top prospects.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW, “succeed” means becoming at least a league average player. If we’re talking about 3+ WAR players then the percentages get much smaller. BTW, the complete results of the study I did from which I pulled the above numbers should be posted Saturday night or Monday. Stay tuned!

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m on the edge of my seat.

by kcemigre on Feb 12, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldnt...

the percentages be even lower because your talking about the cream of the crop? The top 100 of position players and top 100 of pitchers?

by Damien413 on Feb 10, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

As it says above, I’m talking about prospects ranked in the MLB top 100 (BA’s rankings). And that will include something like 9 Royals. The success rate for Royals prospects not ranked in BA’s top 100 should be even lower.

And, BTW, that isn’t the top 100 pos. players and top 100 pitchers. It is the top 100 prospects, including both pitchers and position players.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok thanks

I just misunderstood what you were saying.

by Damien413 on Feb 10, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

So we're likely to get about

three position players and two pitchers out of what’s coming up for 2012-13, plus some marginal fourth-outfielder-#5 starter stuff?

"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947

by Juancho on Feb 10, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That sounds about right - but don't forget the non-Top 100 guys

They have a lower chance and/or lower upside, but there are a lot more of them.
(Although you were talking about the top 20, so in that case there aren’t “a lot” more of them – just a few).
Sprinkle in 2 or 3 of those (and some average relievers, who don’t tend to rank highly b/c of their low impact), and that sounds a bit better.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Feb 11, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Francisco wouldn't be a bad addition

but it is highly unlikely he would be avaliable until Dom proves he can handle the bigs. Not really all the interested in any of the others.

by gordonrules on Feb 9, 2011 11:26 PM EST reply actions  

Fernando Martinez is a guy i'd be interested in...

i wonder what the mets would want…he’s not gonna come cheaply though

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Feb 10, 2011 1:04 AM EST reply actions  

The Mets would probably give us Martinez if we took Castillo or Perez.

:)

I think the Royals outfield is better than some other outfields, and potentially a lot better than many.

At least the Royals have plenty of speed, youth and defense out there.

by Peterman700 on Feb 10, 2011 2:25 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind picking up Wells, assuming he can be had fairly cheaply

and getting rid of a lot of OF dreck we have lying around. Realistically, we’re looking at an OF of Gordon, Frenchy, and Milky for 2011. I’d rather play either Cain, Wells, or Blanco than Milky in center, and I’d rather play anyone (Betemit!) than Frenchy.

It looks like Wells can both field and hit for power, which are two things most of the rest of our outfield can’t do. He’s also 26 and has no service time.

By the way, the BJs are shopping Juan Rivera. He was good for a while and then he got hurt and now he sucks, though not as bad as Frenchy. Big problem: $5m+ contract. This is the last guy we need.

May I add that signing Frenchy was a goddamn stupid move because he blocks Cain and Blanco from gaining experience. Melky, OK, he came cheap and was a low-risk, medium-reward gamble (based on his past and his potential), and if he sucks we DFA him. But Frenchy is going to play out there all year.

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by Juancho on Feb 10, 2011 6:16 AM EST reply actions  

Royals should kick the tires on Nolan Reimold

and Felix Pie wouldn’t be a bad idea, either, as he’s not making much. Pie is going to be 26, Reimiold 27. BOth are blocked in Balitimore’s quest to win 80 games.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 10, 2011 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Reimold’s defense is pretty awful though isn’ t it? Pie is the exact opposite.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Juan Rivera is available

I would guess it would take pretty much nothing to acquire him so long as we ate the money.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 8:43 AM EST reply actions  

Rivera is probably a 1 WAR player

better than Frenchy… and that’s about it. Not really a point.

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 10, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I really don’t see the point in bringing in any new OF. Anyone that is free will suck, anyone that is good will cost us.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. There are dozens

of Frenchies and Melky’s out there….

and there are dozens of league minimum guys who can do exactly the same thing as they can and better.

I just don’t understand Dayton’s attraction to washed up players who once were predicted to be great, and have a name.

Names don’t win games.

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by TheK-man on Feb 10, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Tools win games!

Signed,
Dayton Moore

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That would mean then, that

I’m a game changer.

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by TheK-man on Feb 11, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How/Why

is Gregor Blanco projected to see 633 PA’s vs. Gordon’s 521? How are PA projections even done? Seems like a number I shouldn’t think twice about, but it caught me off guard.

And who the hell is David Lough? (Also projected by Oliver to get more PA’s).

by i before e except after Grrr on Feb 10, 2011 11:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

These aren't playing time projections

Just what they would do if given a significant number of PAs.

I don’t know how PA projections are done. It seems like the best thing to do is just assume everyone gets 600 PAs and base it off that. I don’t know why projection systems don’t do that, because it invariably leads to these kind of questions.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

probably because knowing Ned Yost, he would have Blanco leading off

and Gordo batting 7th.
I believe each spot down the batting order costs you something like 20 AB’s

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~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.

by RoyalPug on Feb 10, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

About 50 for an average team.

It may be 20 with the Royals low OBP

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

seriously?

I’ve always heard 18 on average for each spot down

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by Matt Klaassen on Feb 10, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

yep, I don't know where I got the the 50 from

- .-. ..- … – / – …. . / .—. .-. - .. . … …

by Jeff Zimmerman on Feb 10, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It is 18 per spot

And that is only for a full season. If every player played every day the leadoff guy would get an average of 144 PA’s more than the #9 guy.

This can still be a significant difference in real baseball. If you put a bad (like an uninjured Jason Kendall) hitter at #2, when there is no way in hell he should be higher than #8, and he plays 144 games, he will get an extra 96 PA’s over the course of a season.

There is not much difference in one or two spots. If your 3-4-5 or your 4-5-6 are similar players, and you want it to go R-L-R (or L-R-L), you can move a guy one spot and he will only gain or lose 16 to 18 PA’s in a season. (Depending on days off) The small difference can probably be offset at times by the other team losing a platoon advantage or having to use an extra reliever at times.

The problem is when you put an 8 or 9 guy in the 1 or 2 hole, because he is either fast or “knows how to handle a bat.” (and this happens more than you think) That difference can be 96-144 PA’s, depending on spots an days off, and that is a big chunk of extra suck-right in front of your best hitters, as well.

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by KHAZAD on Feb 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

This is actually magnified by the fact

that a good bunter or stolen base guy is much more effective in the lower part of the order, say 7th or 8th, when the people coming up behind him are less likely to string together hits, and those hits are much more likely to be singles.

I would rather have my #1 and 2 guys be station to station guys who actually get on base. (although a fast guy with a good OBP is fine) I don’t want to give up an out to try and get one base when I’ve got 3 guys coming up with (hopefully) more ability to hit for extra bases or string hits together

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by KHAZAD on Feb 15, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Predictions! Predictions!

Predicting baseball has as much a success rate as Al Gore predicting global warming. You never know what is gonna happen. Sports Illustrated claimed Clint Hurdle was gonna be the next Mickey Mantle. All those numbers everybody quotes are mundane at best. A good mathematician can make stats prove any point. Difference between a Scientist and a Mathematician, the Scientist knows he’s right and the Mathematician can prove HE is…… Who knows what Melky and Frenchie will do. Both may not want to stick with the Royals and play thier A$$ off and have a break through season. Then again if my Aunt would have had a moustache would she have been my uncle? That’s the best part about the game, not knowing whats gonna happen until September……….

by Thugwatcher on Feb 10, 2011 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

Since it is all a crapshoot and no one has any idea how any player will ever perform based on past performance or anything, then Moore should acquire players at random, and only acquire league minimum players. That has as much of a chance to work as anything, right Thug?

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh come on

His point was that the game is fun because we don’t actually know what’s going to happen.

He made this clear with the throw-off comment about his aunt and the mustache.

by thehopper on Feb 10, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

So his point was clearly about how uncertainty makes the game fun?

If so, he hid that point well in the last sentence, buried under a pile of anti-intellectual crap. What he did say quite straightforwardly is that projections and predictions are BS. And so are stats. He and Joe Morgan would have a great time “analyzing” the game.

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by Scott McKinney on Feb 10, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure they've been slacking off the last couple years when their careers were going down the shitter.
Both may not want to stick with the Royals and play thier A$$ off and have a break through season.

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by Warden11 on Feb 10, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the only appropriate solution

is to ask your aunt how she would like to be addressed and then just do your best to respect his/her chosen gender identity. And you don’t have to wait for September. Just go ahead and ask her at the first opportunity.

by kcemigre on Feb 12, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know why this shocks me, but

I can’t believe Gordon is 27. Really? Same age as French?

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by buddyball on Feb 10, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

My least favorite part of the Moore regime is that he almost never brings in these kinds of players

Ever.

Really, all I can think of is Ryan Shealy, as an example of a ready/blocked/probably average guy/who wasn’t an established MLBer.

by Freneau on Feb 10, 2011 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

Joey Gathright!

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Kyle Davies too

IMO

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Arguably Alberto Callaspo

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 10, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Apparently the Pirates think he's at least average.

He’s their starting third baseman now.

"If people don't want to come out to the ball park, nobody's gonna stop 'em."
~Yogi Berra~

by TheK-man on Feb 11, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Outfielders are the currency of baseball ~ Dayton Moore

The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman

by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Feb 10, 2011 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Some guy on SI

says the BJs are likely to sign Scotty Pods. Gotta give it up to Pods; at least he always tried hard and he did not completely suck (.350 OBP).

"Crimes don't pay no one but the lawyers." --Last words of executed murderer Ernest Gaither Jr., 1947

by Juancho on Feb 11, 2011 4:07 AM EST reply actions  

weak OF, will anyone hit more than 15 HR from the OF?

last season and especially after Guillen left. The KC OF was weak at the plate. The Royals have to get a little power out of the new guys.

I fear Francouer will remind us of Ankiel, hit well at first and fall off just like he did last season for teh Mets

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by Rickfansince76 on Feb 16, 2011 2:33 PM EST reply actions  

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