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The Career of Kila Ka'aihue at a Crossroads

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It didn't have to be this way, but you could say that for many Royals-related pressure points, problems, and quandaries. If Kila Ka'aihue is going to have a Major League career of any length, he needs to hit well to begin this season. A terrible slump to start the season, or even an injury, pretty much kill his chances, as far as I can tell.

Since the Royals started mismanaging his career three or four years ago, Kila's life track has been pulled, by the magnets of industry conformity and blindness, towards that of all "AAAA" hitters who lack the magical tools which can only be seen by the initiated. Of course, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. See, we told you that guy would never have a career! An immediate specter here is Ryan Shealy, who was actually for a time much more hyped than Kila, and who even caught the eye of a just-trying-things-out Dayton Moore back in 2006. Four years later, I barely even knew Shealy was still alive in 2010, let alone still banging around AAA and even briefly appearing in a Red Sox uniform. To date, Shealy has amassed 598 PAs at the Major League level. It's no certainty that Kila will reach that total.

Kila kinda sorta got a looksie last season, hitting .217/.307/.394 in 206 PAs. As you can see, he still got his walks in, and for a Royal, a .307 OBP isn't really a disaster. St. Yuni, after all, posted a .288 OBP. Anyway, here's what the Royals see: a .217 batting average, 8 HRs, 25 RBIs and 39 strikeouts. We really need to pull a USS Mariner here, and write an open letter to the Royals pointing out that Kila produced at a 100-RBI rate that somehow gets read and acknowledged. It can't hurt.

Star-divide

As Matt/Devil Fingers wrote today at Fangraphs, the Royals need to get out of their own way and play Kila all year. If he fails, he fails. If he doesn't, then suddenly, you have a trade asset. Look, if we're going to dream about Melky's non-existent trade value, we might as well do the same with a pre-arb guy who might actually be attractive. Of course, the Royals have never done this really, even at the easiest position on the diamond to do so. Somehow, Jose Guillen or Ross Gload or Mike Jacobs or whomever always ends up sucking up all the DH/1B playing time. The perpetually annoying thing about this Royals Front Office is that they often simply refuse to let an inherited asset be an asset. If Kila was acquired in some D-market trade, we'd hear from Dayton and all the apologists about his upside and about how there was "nothing to lose" by playing him. (And don't even get us started on Alex Gordon.) For being masters, supposedly, of player development, the Royals haven't shown much skill in actually finishing off that process at the only level that truly matters.

In this environment, with a hyped raft of Dayton-guys with no obvious position (Myers, Hosmer, Moose) all coming up the line, it's now or never for Kila. PECOTA projected him to hit like an All-Star. That's not terribly likely, but then again, he's hit .285/.424/.521 in 1100 AAA PAs. Of course, whatever a Scouting Approved One did in 200 PAs at a lower level obviously means so much more, but results are results. As I've probably made abundantly clear, I don't think Kila has much of a future with the Royals, but that's been obvious since 2009 really. All he needs to do is hit. A slugging percentage upwards of .480 with non-horrific strikeout numbers should be enough to earn him another shot with another team. For those of us who find ourselves on the wrong side of life's divide, who saw our own opportunities wasted or our talents ignored, he's one worth rooting for.

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by splitty on Mar 10, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Kila is my favorite Royal this year, based on that last sentence, and someone else noticing.

Nick Swisher is handsome.

by ChrisCEIT on Mar 10, 2011 1:21 AM EST up reply actions  

!

I thought it was profound and quotable, frankly. And it overturned a psychological rock of sorts for me; I knew I liked Kaaihue, now I have a better idea why, and the explanation revealed something about me to myself, too: although I’ve been quite aware for some time, now, which side of the divide I inhabit, I never realized it affected my baseball player preferences, as well.

"Today I did my good deed to be 'green'; I gathered up everything in my house that wasn't bio-degradable...and I threw it out." - Todd Jordan, Denver comic

by setupunchtag on Mar 10, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the last sentence

I just wish it was not why I rooted for Kila

by Jacob Mac on Mar 10, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I find it impossible not to root for Kila.

Especially when he was passed over in favor of Mike Jacobs.

by kansasjohn on Mar 9, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

"a hyped raft of Dayton-guys with no obvious position"

Even the casual observers here could not take that comment seriously.

by WURoyal on Mar 10, 2011 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

out of the Moose, Hosmer, Myers triad of glory

at least 2 of those guys seem destined for 1b/dh

by Freneau on Mar 10, 2011 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe in the long run

But for the next 4 or 5 years atleast, Myers will be in the outfield, Moose at 3rd and Hosmer at 1st. Moose will get every shot to stay at 3rd at appears to be serviceable there. I think there is a better shot of Hosmer getting moved to the outfield then having 2 of those 3 at 1B/DH, definitely for as long as Kila is around

by LimaTime10 on Mar 10, 2011 1:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would they move him?

Not asking bitchily, just… why would they?

by Freneau on Mar 10, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

If Kila does prove to be awesome

which I don’t think he will, then it would make sense to move Hosmer to the outfield. A heart of the order containing Moustakas, Hosmer, Myers, Billy, and Kila (assuming he has an awesomeness breakout) is quite likely to batter AL Central pitching for years.

By the way, why are we in the Central instead of the West? Time zones, I suppose.

"America is a nation without a distinct criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." --Mark Twain

by Juancho on Mar 10, 2011 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

that makes the most sense....

IF hosmer can be passable out there

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Mar 10, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow.....all of this talk

about how to shuffle the talent in the pipeline to find playing time, and no one has even mentioned what happens if Gordon “finally gets it” this year.

The Royals haven’t had this kind of problem in decades…..

by okstarsfan on Mar 10, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

pretty much

though the lineup started to get crowded awhile in the late 1990s-early 2000s

by Freneau on Mar 10, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

fair points

the way I phrased it could be improved upon

in any case, Hosmer and Butler quite clearly have organizational standing over Kila, even if Moose holds at 3rd and Myers holds in the OF

by Freneau on Mar 10, 2011 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I think DM would entertain offers for all of them

The reality is right now Kila wouldn’t fetch much because the emphasis on “tools” in prospects is universal throughout the baseball community. Kila needs to produce at the ML level to establish his value because stats don’t translate. Skills do.

by WURoyal on Mar 10, 2011 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Moustakas-His reports on his defense really surprised the guys at BA. He got alot of

good reviews from coaches at AA.

No offense to Will but he was just spitting stuff out he had heard in the past.

Defensively all are good enough and Hosmer and Myers like WURoyal said should and have the ability to be above average defenders.

Myers is going to start the year playing all three positions and people when he was drafted thought he could be a CF. He’s thickened up more than people originally thought but he definitely has the athleticism and speed to be a solid corner outfielder.

Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com

by kcscoliny on Mar 10, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't Pujols a SS in high school or college?
This kid played every position for his high school team.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Mar 10, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Moustakas was a SS too.

Difference is what scouts thought of them at the next level and they thought Myers could be a CF if Catcher didn’t workout. He definitely has the speed to play a corner OF spot and the arm for it.

Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com

by kcscoliny on Mar 10, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

BA
He has yet to handle premium stuff on a consistent basis, so there’s no guarantee he’ll remain a catcher. An average runner, he has even drawn Dale Murphy as a comparison, right down to a move to right or even center field if catching doesn’t work out. Myers doesn’t figure to last past the supplemental round.

Checkout Royals minor league notes at www.14for77.blogspot.com

by kcscoliny on Mar 10, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t make sense to say that because a guy is a poor defensive catcher he automatically must go to 1B/DH especially when everyone says his body type is non-traditional for a catcher. It’s simply not a logical conclusion.

It’s an original thought. Probably best to leave the scouting to the scouts who have actually seen him though.

by WURoyal on Mar 10, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

nice vid

Athletic build…hard to say how he’ll fill out, but looks like to me he could definately play the corner outfield.
He’s got an interesting swing. Great hand eye coordination. A nice front foot step to go with a semi-open stance. He stays relaxed and has a good rhythm.
I like him for a corner spot.
I feel good about Hosmer stealing 1B and holding it.
Moose may not even pan out. (I hope I’m wrong)
IF Kila succeeds, he has a big uphill battle to unseed Billy Butler off DH. If that happens, the Royals have a good problem.

by maestrodave on Mar 10, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This isn't even taking into account Clint Robinson

who absolutely dismantle the texas league in 2010 – even as a 25 year old, this guy obviously has some bat skills (1.035ops i think?). royals have a logjam of 1b/dh talent, I think what might define dayton’s tenure with the royals is who he keeps, who he sells, and what he sells them for.

by slayor on Mar 10, 2011 2:46 AM EST reply actions  

Hosmer

doesn’t he have excellent defensive skills at first?

Just curious.

I also thought Mous was a lock at third BECAUSE of his range and arm.

by Peterman700 on Mar 10, 2011 3:40 AM EST reply actions  

Everything I've read

hasn’t praised his range there. In fact, I think that was part of the reason they liked the Brewer’s trade with Escobar.

by sfeldkamp on Mar 10, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I Like The

Teahen Gambit; his bat would play well at 2B.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 10, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hosmer defense is supposedly solid

Though I’m hoping he gets shifted to the OF, because it means Butler and Kila have panned out as the 1B/DH tandem. Also, because we have few really good OF prospects outside of Myers.

batter nine you sucky

by marbotty on Mar 10, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

From what we understand he does......

My read is that the Butler extension is the real deal and that this is the kind of guy they want to build the team on. That aside, the Royals are stacked at 1B, so their best choice is to do a mix of bring them up one at a time and/or try to either Hosmer or Robinson in another position (probably corner OF). You could end up with a platoon situation defensively, but it’s a challege to get two of those guys in the lineup. I see Kila as the odd man out, who gets traded in a package for top level prospects and/or some possible ML-level help.

Finally, the Royals are in a position to trade a talented player, not because they can’t afford them, but because they have too much talent in one area and need to swap for talent in another area. When you are a competitive team, that’s what trading is supposed to be about.

by Cap Midnight on Mar 10, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Is the fear that kila:'11 royals::papi:'02 twins?

That would be tragic. Is that a decent comp?

That said, if kila hits with good power he’ll play and he’ll stick. If the power’s not there, he won’t last long. The royals need 50 hrs from dh/1b and if butler’s good for 15-20 that leaves some pretty heavy lifting for kila. I really hope he can do it.

I don’t get the fear from folks about kila’s playing time. If nothing else, moore has shown that he’s vERY aggressive at signing crappy veterans if he lacks confidence in the royals incumbent (see Jacobs over Shealy/kila, pods, ankiel and Cabrera over mitch, etc). So the fact that he didn’t sign anyone to play 1b/dh this offseason seems like a pretty clear signal that he’s satisfied with giving kila a season to prove himself.

by billexgordler on Mar 10, 2011 9:49 AM EST reply actions  

I have that fear, too.

Not only am I afraid Kaaihue won’t be properly valued by GMDM as a keeper (if indeed he becomes one), but also that Moore won’t get proper value in return when he does go. Makes me think of Dusty Hughes—don’t get me wrong, I didn’t think Hughes was any great shakes, but I thought he had more value than to get nothing for him, (and it seems like the Twins picked him up awfully quickly for him to be valueless)—and I hope Kila isn’t the same way.

"Today I did my good deed to be 'green'; I gathered up everything in my house that wasn't bio-degradable...and I threw it out." - Todd Jordan, Denver comic

by setupunchtag on Mar 10, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

He's gotta give Getz at bats for some reason

The problem is Getz, Betemit and Aviles all vying for two positions — odds are that one of them (likely Betemit) ends up stealing playing time from Kila. Hopefully, it won’t be too significant, and hopefully, it will have only occured once Kila’s had a chance to establish himself as hitter.

batter nine you sucky

by marbotty on Mar 10, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

one last thought

30 homers would be excellent, but i don’t think anyone’s been expected to hit that many since tartabull left the team

batter nine you sucky

by marbotty on Mar 10, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Sweeney always had a shot at it,

but he hit so many line drives it robbed him of a few homers.

by AxDxMx on Mar 10, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

What, no pithy caption for the picture?

SOS’s photo inspired a whole post and follow-up comments…maybe it was the power of the beard.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Mar 10, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

Definately

or he’s thinking…
“Straight ball…I hit it very much. Curveball? Bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come…take fear from bats.”

by maestrodave on Mar 10, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to be naive...

… but just trying to put things in perspective.

Could someone with a wider breadth of knowledge than I, speak to another AAA phenom for another team, that a non-hardcore fan could identify with? A name I would recognize of someone who absolutely tore up the minors and then found themselves logjam’ed or not given a fair shake? Was the Ortiz-Twins comparison accurate?

I have rooted for Kila at every turn. I despised Jacobs and Guillen (and GMDM for a time for signing them). I want him to succeed. But he seems like a tall tale, or a part of a Costner-minor-league-baseball-rambling-monologue… And I just wondered if there was another comp for someone who came through his situation?

Bet me!

by TigerBartender on Mar 10, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions  

Carlos Pena had something of a similar situation before playing with the Rays

He killed minor league pitching, but never hit for a particularly high average
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=pena—002car
with 900+ OPS for two seasons in a row, but still didn’t get a full-time callup right away. (One major difference is he was much younger than Kila.)

He had middling performances with Texas/Oakland/Detroid/Boston at ages 23 through 28
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/penaca01.shtml
and even was sent back down to the minors a few times before being waived (IIRC) and picked up by Tampa. He had career years ages 29 through 31 with OPS’s of 1307, 871, and 893.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 10, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

pena is a different beast entirely....

he was a 1st round pick who always had good scouting reports. im not positive about ortiz’ scouting reports, but i dont remember him ever being a highly touted prospect

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Mar 10, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I 'm not sure I understand why his draft position or his scouting reports matter

I thought we were talking about having great minor league success, not quite getting a shot at the majors, then breaking out down the road? He was traded twice and released three times before catching on in Tampa and finally hitting his stride.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 10, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I always keep coming back to Luke Scott as a comp for Kila

Scott was not a high draft choice or ever really ranked as a top prospect, but put up good minor league numbers in the Cleveland and Houston organizations. He did not really get a full-time shot until he was a secondary piece in the trade when Baltimore sent Miguel Tejeda to the Astros. Scott also somewhat matches Kila’s profile as high walks, relatively low strikeouts, but low batting average.

Travis Hafner also fits the profile of unsung minor leaguer who put up monster minor league numbers. If you want to get into the way-way back machine, Edgar Martinez was passed over for years despite putting up silly numbers in AAA.

For guys who might have been once regarded as at least decent prospects but flamed out in their initial MLB exposure, there is a pretty long list with the aforementioned Pena, Jack Cust, Russell Branyan, and Ryan Ludwick off the top of my head.

by Gopherballs on Mar 10, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't know/remember much about Luke Scott, but Ed Martinez is a good one

He came on as a 24/25/26 year old (though he hit for average, unlike Kila). He has that same “doesn’t exactly look like an athlete” vibe, but of course they both are very talented.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 10, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Adrian Gonzalez

He was toyed around by the Rangers before this gem of a trade=
 
Rangers send Adrian Gonzalez, Terrmel Sledge and Chris Young to Padres for Adam Eaton, Akinori Otsuka and Billy Killian

He too was a 1st round pick and highly touted, but he experienced the log jam with Tex in Arlington. Also a good example of a bad trade the Jon Daniels made before his big Tex for the world trade. You gotta mess up sometimes, and Dayton has gotten that out of the way.

by myerkc on Mar 10, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I Realize A

Triple slash hardly constitutes in depth analysis, but what would constitute a breakout? If he puts up a .240/.350/.475 with 20+ HRs, is that enough? If it is, would GMDM recognize it?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 10, 2011 2:12 PM EST reply actions  

its good enough to bring back a semi legitimate prospect

and possibly good enough to give hosmer a shot at the OF

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Mar 10, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

phil, I honestly think Kila will top that triple slash line this season

I’m thinking 260/370/500

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

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by loyal2sdad on Mar 10, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I Could

See that happening. But what if he’s just good and not great?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Mar 10, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If we know anything about this org, it's that he's going to have to hit for power

They continuously feel like they need some “SLUG”, so if he can hit for power he’ll get a second chance. I suppose they can’t ignore an OBP if it gets north of .365, like loyal2sdad says.

He needs to be who they thought Mike Jacobs was: First Basemen Hit For Power.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 10, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

billy doesnt hit for power

and the organization seems to love him

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Mar 10, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but Billy isn't getting a lot of meaty pitches

or at least fewer than in 2009 based on the lengthy piece that was here with all the colorful charts. I think he is being half-ass pitched around in some RISP situations. Sure, pitch to him in GIDP situations, but otherwise why pitch to him when a pitcher can go after Jose Guillen, etc.?

by kansasjohn on Mar 10, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions  

he had 21 HR in 2009, which isn't too shabby

The most by anyone other than gack Miguel Olivo in the past 3 seasons.

The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Mar 11, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Billy's not going to be a home run monster

but as he matures he should develop some more power and be a 20-25 HR guy. He could quite well rack up an 875 OPS every year until his probably early decline.

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by Juancho on Mar 13, 2011 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And

if he puts up that line, the correct move by Moore might be to trade Butler instead.

Kila is just now in his “prime years”, so if he turns out to be legit, we could get ALL of his best seasons (27-32) at CHEAPER price than Butler.

Trick is, if Kila does what I predict, are you confident it is for real?

Attractive part of this solution – Butler would bring a decent haul in a trade, and on top of that, the Royals FA budget would be enhanced for adding the 1 or 2 premium pitchers I suspect they may need to supplement what the system will provide.

"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009

"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876

by loyal2sdad on Mar 10, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

I have similar thoughts

…Butler to the right team, could garner more than Kila, and with a possible future line-up including RHers Myers, Cain, Colon (or Giovatella), Escobar, and Perez, a fourth lefty for balance might be nice, especially if Gordon doesn’t produce and is part of future plans.

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by setupunchtag on Mar 10, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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