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How Many More Plate Appearances Will the Royals Give Kila Ka'aihue?

Last night, as the Royals fell to those pesky Cleveland Indians, you could sense the rage of anti-Kila feeling growing. Judging from what I see on Twitter, Kila shouldn't merely be packing his bags for Omaha, he should look towards hiring a bodyguard. 

Star-divide

Despite recent assurances from Ned Yost that the Royals would continue to play Kila, I'm no longer sure. He's batting just .160 thus far. He's now a guy that nobody believed in, who is confirming that bias. He could hit respectably well for a month, and his season stat line is still going to look terrible. Nevermind that he's still got a higher OBP than Melky Cabrera, Mike Aviles, or Alcides Escobar. For many people, including the Royals Front Office, after all, the walks don't matter. The silly thing is, if you turn half of Kila's walks into weak singles we're not having this discussion because he's hitting .200.

 

Now, I'd like to once again go on record that sending Kila down or limiting his playing time, anytime soon, is a bad idea. The Royals need to see what they have in Kila and I just don't think you can do that in two weeks. Kila should be playing every day at least until Moose is called up. Player development, a concept which the Royals are supposedly masters of, includes what you do with Major League players. If you punt on Kila now, he's more or less done forever as an asset to the team. If you stick with Kila, and he proves he can hit, then you have something you can use. 

But alas, this isn't what the Royals should do, but what they will do.

Poll
How Many Plate Appearances for Kila Ka'aihue at the Major League Level in 2011? (He is currently at 60.)
Less than 80
25 votes
81-120
79 votes
121-180
122 votes
181-230
118 votes
231-300
96 votes
301-350
47 votes
351 and above
84 votes

571 votes | Poll has closed

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Kila

He needs his PA’s, but moving him down in the order may benefit both him and the team.

by Waldo Wildcat on Apr 19, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

At the very least, move Betemit up to sixth.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 19, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think of him hitting 2nd?

Maybe Getz/Kila/Butler? Having Butler hit behind him would help him see better pitches. But its a bit out of the box for the Royals to bat a slow walk machine second. WE NEED A GUY THAT CAN HANDLE THE BAT! GET MELKY AND HIS .280 OBA HERE PRONTO

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm cool with moving Kila to number 2, if his plate discipline improves that can

definitely get more attempts for getz to getz stealz. But why move Butler to 3 when the Gordon / Butler tag team is already working well? Unless you think a .360 followed by a .380 is a bad thing…..

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by kd_in_kc on Apr 19, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can't really afford to experiment with the 2nd spot.

You’ve gotta earn it with some average first.

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by TheK-man on Apr 19, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"see better pitches" has to still be a bit of a myth, right?

plus, the problem with Kila is that any pitcher with a functioning brain is throwing him offspeed stuff. I’d think the fear of having him on base would exist if he weren’t a first baseman. I don’t think Kila-Butler changes the strategy much.

I could see more of a fear of Gordon getting on via walk because Gordon can move on the bases a lot easier.

The Kila thing breaks down to offspeed pitches and when Kila gets to 2 strikes, his patience vanishes.

His line on 3-2 counts is very Kila-esque for his career.

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by BHWick on Apr 19, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not a myth.

“Better pitches” for Kila means getting something besides straight junk. Hitting behind Butler right now is basically pitting Kila against constant sliders, curves, changeups, etc.

by hawkinscm87 on Apr 19, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

but

would Kila get fastballs batting in front of Butler?

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by BHWick on Apr 19, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly, with teams wanting to make sure he doesn't get on base

Also, if there is someone on first that’s capable of stealing. That would definitely cut into the amount of junk thrown his way.

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by AtTheWall on Apr 19, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

they seem to be doing a pretty good job of keeping him off the bases with junk. Do you think they would really pitch him differently in a different spot?

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by buddyball on Apr 19, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will take 140 for a total of 200

The worst thing is that we should have been figuring him out last year, not this year. Kila should have been producing or Robinson should be getting a tryout.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on Apr 19, 2011 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I totally agree,

but Robinson is the odd man out for some reason. If Frenchy keeps producing and Kila doesn’t, you know they’ll get jumpy about promoting Hosmer whether we agree with it or not. If they’re remotely close to the division at the time he’ll come up. What I would think would be the right thing at that point would be to bring up Robinson to fill Kila’s spot, move Frenchy and replace with Hos, then see what Moose can do. Kila is a huge upgrade defensively, but he more than cancels it out at the plate right now. I’m all about his OBP, but WiLl has a point about moving him down in the order like we did with Gordon prior to him coming alive.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 19, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I think they should consider giving him some protection and putting him in front of Billy and moving Gordon to 5. Just an idea, but he might see more fastballs and even if not his OBP will play nicely there.

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by sfeldkamp on Apr 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

he definitely would at least see SOME fastballs if Gets was on 1st and Butler or Gordon was hitting behind him

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on Apr 19, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kila has squandered every big league opportunity he's been given, and the trend

continues. In addition, I don’t see him as any better than Billy Butler defensively. But I feel for him. It must be hard for Kila and Aviles knowing they are both either off of the team or down in the minors in June for Avilas and for Kila, as soon as they bring up Hosmer.

They can’t do it soon enough though, for my tastes.

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by TheK-man on Apr 19, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I truly hope he finds his swing.. I like Kila.. just not when he is AB..

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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 19, 2011 9:23 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there is a snowball effect where his fielding is getting lumped in with his cold bat.

He has had one error all year. Yes, he should have picked Escobar’s errant throw out of the dirt for a double play. Escobar got called for an error. Jeffress lauched a ball over his head on a pick-off attempt, which is hard to do with a 6’4" first baseman.

by kansasjohn on Apr 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

if he was really good

he would have climbed the ladder and gotten it

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by buddyball on Apr 19, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

How hard do you think Jeffress threw the ball and how far above Kila's head?

I only saw the play twice and I’m not sure it could have been caught.

by kansasjohn on Apr 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, probably not

that is why I used the sarcasm font

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by buddyball on Apr 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

use @ around what you want in the sarcasm box.

And make sure to preview it so it looks right.

Got it?

Or else you end up with something that looks like this:

I’m going to use sarcasm font:
I totally know how to use sarcasm font.

by AxDxMx on Apr 19, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Camera work

has been atrocious on pick offs. I don’t know that ever saw a good shot of it. My guess is it came about 100 mph and Kila had no shot.

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The kids a blabbermouth that let's his emotions control him instead

of him controlling his emotions. Flashes of greatness, but needs to become calm and meticulous when going about his business on the mound. He’s young and he’s raw, but his emotions, while well meaning, are affecting his performance on the mound. A project for McClure, but I’m glad we have him. When the kinks are ironed out, he’s a future closer and a star.

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by TheK-man on Apr 19, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way he is right now...putting him in with the game on the line...

can cause a loss just as easy as a victory. He’s a crapshoot. But he’s got huge potential.

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by TheK-man on Apr 19, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be, but I also saw two balls pop out of his glove last thursday night in the rain

That would have been outs. We all know there is a fine line between a good 1B and a great 1B and even finer line between great and all star. Right now he’s good, getting the balls thrown at him and covering the range expected. We need him to be great. He needs to make the catches 8 times out of ten that would otherwise be errors. Especially if they hit the webbing of the glove.

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by kd_in_kc on Apr 19, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll get a long look

Only because they don’t want to rush Hosmer, and I think they view Robinson much like they view Kila. So he’ll get a least to June I think. Which means he better start hitting.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 19, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

There's no point

in sending him back to AAA. His development there is done, he’s proved he can hit at that level. Whether or not he can hit at the ML level is yet to be proved, but he doesn’t have anything else to learn in AAA.

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by sfeldkamp on Apr 19, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

i say keep running him out there

for the next couple of months, at least…i do think they should consider sitting him down for a few games and then dropping him in the order.

one other point, though…his OBP is good yes, and taking walks is great, but like i’ve said many many times, at some point you’ve got to demonstrate the ability to hit the ball or the walks will dry up because pitchers are going to increasingly go after him.

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

At the same time...

Butler is hitting something like .397. That is awesome, but won’t continue. I think the same is likely for Kila. Keep running him out there. He’s the best defensive 1B we have right now, and he needs more time to get adjusted. I’d like to see him bat all year…really prove that he can adjust or not. This is a game of adjustments…

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by JMGesling on Apr 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Because, if he proves he CAN adjust and can be successful, then he has some trade value when Hosmer is ready. That is a win-win for the Royals.

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, .283 isn't a great OBP

But if you consider that BA is what’s dragging the OBP down, it at least becomes palatable. The OBP is 123 points higher than his BA. If he could hit .240-.260 and do that, you’ve got something pretty nice. He’s only had 60 PAs, can we at least give him 200 and give him time to get it turned around?

by AxDxMx on Apr 19, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hosmer And Moustakas

Are not made men. Neither has proven anything in MLB. Kila and Robinson both need to get a chance to be all they can be. I’ll be very disappointed if Mous and Hos are not at least serviceable MLB players, but that cannot be assumed.

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by philofthenorth on Apr 19, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

What I meant earlier was that we all know that they’ll promote Hos early if we’re even close to the lead in the division. I would just rather see what’s there with Robinson if we’re gonna make knee-jerk moves like that.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 19, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

one other point

i don’t necessarily want them to call up hos, but if he proves he’s ready i think you’ve got to consider it.

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by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Depends how he hits

15 games with bad numbers isn’t all that damning, but he’s looked every bit as bad as the numbers. I think he’s got about 200 more plate appearances to show signs of life if he wants to keep his job. If something clicks and he learns to stop swinging over balls that break toward his ankles, he’ll get more.

I’d say the floor is in the 231-300 interval, and if he actually starts hitting, he’ll make it to 351+ plus. I’m a huge Kila fan, but watching him every day this year, I’m not at all confident that he’s going to hit. The best thing I can say about Kila’s season so far is that he’s helping Butler’s OBP a ton.

by kcdc1 on Apr 19, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

What's C-Rob's defense supposed to be like?

Would we lose anything to have him instead of Kila?

by Dadunca on Apr 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

He is not as good as Kila defensively.

Robinson as 1B at AA in 2010: 83 games, .983 Fld%, 14 errors. Kila in AAA 2010: 75 games, .997 Fld%, 2 errors.

by kansasjohn on Apr 19, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

C-Rob strikes me as nothing more than trade fodder

Butler has signed his extension, Hosmer seems to be off to a good start in Omaha. And most importantly, the Royals apparently do not want to try Hosmer in RF. So the most I can see for Robinson is a late 2011 call-up if/when Kila “proves” he can’t handle MLB pitching. (I put prove in quotes because even if the Royals do end up giving him another 300 PAs this year, it will still only give him basically one full year of MLB performance to judge, spread randomly over parts of four seasons.)

Even if C-Rob performs well, what would his role be? A platoon DH with Butler? No way. Now if Hosmer were to have a major hiccup or injury this year, it might be nice to have Robinson stashed in Omaha, but he’s already 26, and I’d rather see what we can get for him this season. I don’t see any sense in calling him up to “replace” Kila before the Royals can be somewhat certain what they actually have in Kila.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately this is all true

Right now there’s no real place for C-Rob. My hope for the season was that Kila would be hitting well and would have good trade value for the deadline. Then bring c-rob up for the rest of the season and see what he has. If he doesn’t show much, then start off with Hos next year, and if he shows a good bat then consider Hos moving to outfield for a while. I just have a strong feeling after watching C-Rob last year in AA and so far this year in Omaha that he may be a really special bat with a good average and great power. He’s also been showing good discipline and taking plenty of walks this year. I think he could easily be a better bat than Kila even is Kila was hitting. But for now, I wish Kila would get back on track so he has some value for us.

by Prime2U on Apr 19, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kila was atrocious last night

just one productive at bat might have helped the Royals turn a corner. And to my eye, that low throw should have been scooped out. That being said, though, in the clear light of morning, maybe it should be considered merely a rough start. Lots of all-stars are off to shitty beginnings this year, too. I voted 121-180, although I just know if the dude takes ugly swings and whiffs with runners in scoring position tonight, I’ll be screaming to change my answer. Baseball is an emotional game.

by LaFLamme on Apr 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Off topic somewhat

I didn’t realize it was Joe West who made that bizarre call on Billy at second last night. The one where Billy thought he was out because, you know, he was out, and wandered away. Joe West is a magnificent tool. And not in the good way.

by LaFLamme on Apr 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Kila's WPA

is higher than both Gordon and Francoeur’s. So you could make the case that Kila has contributed more to the 10 wins than both Alex and Jeff.

Kila = 0.22
Jeff = 0.19
Alex = 0.16

by JLank on Apr 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Which is why WPA is a flawed stat

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by kcdynasty on Apr 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

WPA is what it is and it’s up to us to draw conclusions. It’s a bit too clutchy for me but I actually think it tells a good story.

by JLank on Apr 19, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And with numbers like that,

Kila’s living off one swing. Even in this incredibly small sample size, we’re all smart enough to know that something living off one swing 17 games into the year is pretty much trash right?

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by Warden11 on Apr 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The conclusion I draw

is that WPA sucks as a way to determine the true talent level of a player (especially at this early stage of the season), which is what we’re all wondering about with Kila.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 19, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It tells a story

doesn’t tell us about true talent

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 20, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

WPA is definitely flawed

I’m apparently supposed to ignore batting average, on base percentage, slugging percentage, OPS, and even something as subjective as fielding percentage. I’ve read up on WPA and understand it, but my eyeballs tell me one is struggling mightily right now while the other two are pretty confident. I’m totally convinced that he’s pressing and needs to make the necessary adjustments. I’d try to take some pressure off by dropping him to seventh in the order and leaving him alone until the All-Star break unless he falls off the proverbial cliff.

I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.

by stram#1 on Apr 19, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a positive standpoint

the fall from said cliff isn’t too far. It shouldn’t hurt too badly.

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think any statistic is really flawed...

The only flaw is in drawing inappropriate conclusions from a statistic.

WPA is useful for telling you who has made plays that have had the most impact on chance of winning, but it would be wrong to conclude that you can evaluate anyone’s talent based on a good/bad WPA. I’m sure in the long run there is correlation between talent and WPA, but even over an entire career I bet you could find examples where someone ends up with an unusual WPA due to good/bad luck.

by PopeSoria on Apr 19, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your point I just think the fact that WPA would indicate that Kila has contributed more to wins so far than Gordon or Francouer is ridiculous

I’ve seen the games too so far this season and if it honestly comes out that way so far WPA is a piece of s*** as an indicator. Over the course of a season that may turn out to be true but right now I don’t know. I’m probably not looking at it in the right mindset.

I'm trying hard but some of this sabermetrics stuff sounds madeup.

by stram#1 on Apr 19, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's just a reflection of the fact

That most plays don’t move the WPA needle that much outside of big late-game hits. Without a gw homer like Kila’s, it’s a lot of tiny steps forward and backwards that take time to add up to much. I wonder at the end of the season how much of a player’s WPA comes from just a handful of plays…I bet it is a pretty big chunk.

by PopeSoria on Apr 19, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The winning is the problem

As much fun as it has been, this start is smoke and mirrors. This team will fall back to earth, as there just isn’t enough talent to maintain this. But I fear an 18-11 type of reaction, where the short term will be too highly valued over the long term. Yost’s overuse of Collins and, to a lesser extent, Crow, are signs of this. But, if the front office knows now what it seemed to know a month ago about this team not being very good, Kila should get at least most of the first half to play generally everyday.

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by CentralChamps20?? on Apr 19, 2011 11:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

overuse of Collins and Crow?

Who do you want to pitch? Rule 5 Adcock? Blake Wood? Kanekoa? Not a ton of options.

by Bart41 on Apr 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

you just listed three.

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by setupunchtag on Apr 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeffress is the other guy

and I think Bart would agree he’s worth pitching and I’d agree that he’s not being overused. That leaves the two I mentioned and Soria, which is 7.

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by CentralChamps20?? on Apr 19, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

In a word, yes

I’m more concerned with the 2012 bullpen than the 2011 bullpen. Exposing these guys as much as Yost has so far leads to two possible problems. First, the more they’re seen, the more the league gets up to speed on them, the shorter their potential shelf life. Maybe their stuff is just that good and they’ll get outs regardless. I’m guessing Crow’s is, but Collins relies more on novelty and deception, and that’s the kind of stuff that will lead to less effectiveness the more he pitches. Second, fatigue/injury concerns. While it should be less of a problem for relievers than for starters, these guys are still rookies and have never played a 162-game season. Crow only has one underwhelming professional season under his belt at all, and that’s after a year layoff. While Collins is apparently a workout warrior and repeats his delivery well, his size will always be a concern.

I don’t necessarily mind sheltering Adcock a little, but, otherwise, this year should still be a year about “finding out.” Can Texiera and Wood get batters out in pressure situations? Texiera’s supposedly healthy and Wood’s supposedly better. So yeah, just as they should with Kila, they should give all of these guys a chance to play. If they stink, they stink. Then you get them off the 40-man roster and move on to guys like Coleman. For an org so worried about the 40-man roster, they have to get rid of somebody sometime. Let’s let them prove it shouldn’t be them on the field.

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by CentralChamps20?? on Apr 19, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tejada

or Soria could go one or two innings at times…IF Tejada can get his shit together.

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont understand why the fuck

we are protecting a guy with pitch to contact stuff, like Adcock. Either make the f’ing trade w/his old team(cant remember where he came from but I will say Braves, because its Dayton Moore) or cut the bastard. Coleman is more than ready, as is Holland. Then we can stop overworking Collins and Crow.

And Mendoz….I mean Texiera…who gives a crap?

by DaytonSucks on Apr 19, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's ridiculous

What would you have to trade to keep Adcock? It couldn’t be that much. Then, send him up to Omaha and bring Coleman down. I don’t think Texiera is that awful either. Let’s let him pitch. If he sucks donkey, get him out of here and get a lefty specialist in here so we aren’t using Collins in that role. We can’t just keep running the same 3 kids out there every night. I love Yost. He’s the best manager this team has seen since Hal was kicked out of town. But, if he doesn’t have confidence to use all of his relievers, he needs to get some that he can be confident in.

I need to go take a Davies and wipe my Elarton. Excuse me.

by royaldaddy on Apr 19, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Of course, he still hit Kendall 2nd almost all season.
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by Warden11 on Apr 19, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Touche

I need to go take a Davies and wipe my Elarton. Excuse me.

by royaldaddy on Apr 19, 2011 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

i disagree a little bit

i pointed this out before…we are 10-6 despite:

kila hitting .160
aviles hitting .200
davies with a 7.20 ERA
soria with a 6.23 ERA
tejeda on the DL

so, while a lot of things are going our way, there are several that are not…we have also played some (supposedly) decent teams outside of seattle, so it’s not like we’ve exactly been beating up on little sisters of the poor for 16 games.

i don’t think we are an over .500 team, but i also don’t think we’re going to lose 95 games, either…the only thing that has me a little concerned at this point are the walks from the relievers…collins started out fast and really hasn’t looked to good for a few games and has a WHIP of 2.00, which inlcudes 8 walks in 9 innings.

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is actually the weakest portion of the schedule

It evens out in June and is supposed to be toughest in July.

As for several things not going our way, things that have gone our way, like Getz, Cabrera and Frenchy “producing” early, are more anomolous. Now that at least the first two are regressing to their expected levels, I think the Royals will start to lose more. Right now, the only guys that can realistically be counted on are Butler, Gordon, Betemit (yeah, I’m starting to believe), and Francis (as long as he stays healthy).

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Apr 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Gordon DID say that he was going to dominate

The other two I’m not so sure about. I haven’t heard any commitments to domination from them.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 19, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They'll cool off some

But Butler is always going to hit, Betemit may be showing last year wasn’t a fluke, and Gordon is hitting the way I think he would have in 2009 but for the devastating hip injury. But ask me again on June 1.

It's all ball bearings these days!

by CentralChamps20?? on Apr 19, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure, but

davies is not going to have a 7.20 ERA, either, and Soria is not going to have a 6.23 ERA

kila is not going to continue to hit .160, and if he does, he’ll be replaced by someone who will probably hit around .250

i could see our schedule being a little easier because we’re at home, but so far we’ve played anaheim (10-6), detroit (supposed to be a division contender), chicago (ditto) and minnesota (ditto and they won the division last year).

look, like i said, there’s points going both ways, all i was saying is that it isn’t like the team is just pulling wins out of their ass…the starting pitching has been better than expected, but the defense is legitimately solid and the bullpen has been good up until the last couple of days…if those things continue, i think we’ll continue to be competitive.

i still think this team’s ceiling is 80 wins.

BOOM YOSTED!

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Apr 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn

I missed Tejada to the DL. When was this? What’s the problem?

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Cold arm"

But take heart, as it hasn’t been officially declared a “dead arm” yet.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't just because

it was tits cold the other night?

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you say Tejada rather than Tejeda

I think of Miguel Tejada…and then I grit my teeth, because he’s getting on my nerves this season so far.

You want optimism? My glass is half full of emptiness.

by DanielSmith on Apr 19, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Technically, his name is Tejeda as well.

Remember the birth certificate/age controversy from a few years ago?

by AxDxMx on Apr 19, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a shame that the Royals gave up

a decent reliever for Mike Jacobs two years ago (and put up numbers not much better than Kila’s right now). Kila could have been going through this in 09 and 10 and we would be 95% sure of what he is right now.

Hawaiian Punch is pressing again, judging by the K rate. I think he’s still in an understandable transition period for the jump in competition level. He feasted on AAA junk and weak fastballs for two years and he will need time to adjust to what Crash Davis called the “ungodly breaking stuff in the Show.”

I want Kila to succeed, and there was no question he got a raw deal in his development. But he is not the linchpin of the Process – the guy waiting to take his place is. It’s a reminder that a lot of these guys will disappoint and even fail. It’s just great that the team is doing well enough to pay attention to the day to day lineup.

by thelaundry on Apr 19, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

not saying I don't agree

Just pointing out that Kila got 200 PA’s last year in the bigs. So it’s not like this season is his first “real” stint in the majors.

The point on Nunez though, I couldn’t agree more. Moore tried to convince us that he was good at assembling a bullpen from scraps, and that he would trade it away to get needed pieces. Well… that didn’t work too well. Crisp did ok until he went on the DL, but Jacobs…

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by AtTheWall on Apr 19, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I know we’re used to having lots of stuff to worry about, and this unexpectedly good start to the season has given us a shortage of topics for hand-wringing, but we could just sit back and enjoy it instead of preemptively worrying in anticipation of possible future bad decisions.

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by KSinDC on Apr 19, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hand wringing

and worrying is what we Royals fans do best…Chiefs fans too for that matter. It’s tough to enjoy the ride when we can see the giant buzzsaw ahead of us. Pretty soon we’ll be sawed in half and it’s gonna hurt. Years of conditioning have made us this way, just like some Pavlovian experiment.

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more

of a hand chewer. Seriously, I bite my nails and when there’s none of those left, I get to knowing on the skin of my fingertips. Make myself bleed during games like last night’s. I should probably seek therapy or sedatives.

by LaFLamme on Apr 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sir is a true statement

Until we win it all we as either Royals or Chiefs fans will be pessimistic

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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 19, 2011 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

June

and someone’s going down for Moustakas then

Batting Kila 5th seems to be Ned’s tribute to “survival of the fittest”

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by BHWick on Apr 19, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and more self-shilling

the expected bases for some Royals, so far

Butler: .634
Francoeur: .537
Gordon: .535
Aviles: .449
Melky: .400
Kila: .367
Getz: .344
Escobar: .284

1.000 EB means you can expect the hitter to get one base when he’s at bat.

TB+BB+HP/AB+BB+HP+SF

OBP+SLG doesn’t totally work due to the difference in what they’re dividing. So it’s not technically addable.

No word on if OBP+EB works much better. But Kila’s SLG is .260, and Escobar’s is .250, so you can see a difference with EB

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by BHWick on Apr 19, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

This is why

I hate baseball message boards. I feel like a complete moron. So many f*cking numbers! And all this GD math…I need a drink.

by SCKSChief on Apr 19, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll drink to that! Salud!!

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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 19, 2011 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is just

another version of BOP/Total Average with PA rather than outs as the denominator, right?

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 20, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fortunately the FO appears more patient than the fans

Based on Dutton’s remarks yesterday, Kila is going to get at least until June no matter what, and likely much longer. As for complaints about bullpen usage, I don’t get the complaints. There is some bigtime Monday morning qbing going on. I thought yesterday’s bullpen usage was pretty much spot on. It was a very close game and the royals used their best four relievers. And the one guy that folks were complaining about being used in the 7-run game was ridiculously good last night. Are people really worried about overuse? Collins had a bad night last night. It happens. But folks would have been much more agitated had it been Adcock blowing it in the tenth.

by billexgordler on Apr 19, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Does anyone think Robinson might be used as a band-aid for kila?

June- July whenever but use robi instead if Hos … Just an idear

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by Mas Cervezas on Apr 19, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I do, and not just as a bandaid

For several reasons.
1. Hos is young and there’s no reason to rush him up.
2. Although I like Kila, I’ve never thought he’d be good enough to be an everyday part of this team when it’s ready to contend. We just have too much talent at his position. I just want him to do well so we have some solid trade value.
3. While C-Rob might end up being Kila Mk2, what I’ve seen him doing over the last two season is pretty damn good. He’s not only hitting for high average at both AA and AAA levels, but he has a ton of power, and he’s taking walks. I mean, Hos is having a nice early season, and Hos is considered a near lock to be a great MLB bat. Meanwhile, C-Rob’s bat has been even better, but people seem to think he wouldn’t be a force in the big leagues.

I think C-Rob is being sold short because people want him out of the way for Hos to come in. I think he may be a special bat, and I’d like to see Kila traded and C-Rob getting a half season chance at least before bringing Hos up next year.

by Prime2U on Apr 19, 2011 7:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kila should play, yes

But the minor tweak (apparently already done) of moving him down in the order is easy enough, and only costs Kila a handful of PA’s over the next couple of months. For now, I’d rather have Betemit behind Billy so they won’t be so quick to pitch around him…and if Betemit can keep hitting competently, the Royals might score a bit more than they would have otherwise.

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by DanielSmith on Apr 19, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Betemit behind Billy also,

if he can keep hitting. Plus he’s a switch hitter which I think could be useful behind Billy if he’s getting on a lot

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by topekaroyal on Apr 19, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by vic1124 on Apr 19, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

We should send Kila to AAA if he doesn’t start improving by mid-May. Maybe a AAA cup of coffee while we evaluate Robinson will be beneficial.

Bring up Robinson at 1B, see if he can hit major league pitching. If so, begin the move of Hosmer to RF. If not, give Kila a second chance. Hosmer’s got a pitcher’s arm, with a 96mph fastball. He’s a little slow, but offense+arm > limited range.

If either Kila or Robinson’s bat develops at the ML level, Hosmer should be bumped to RF. He’s the only one athletic enough to handle it. Make sure you get an incredible defender in CF to cover whatever limitations he may have range-wise. In a couple of years, if a 1B/DH slot opens up due to trade/injury, Hosmer can go back.

by dubPeacock on Apr 19, 2011 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, if Teabag can be a 2B...

And Guillen can be a RF…
And Betemit can be a 3B…
And Aviles can be forced to play every position on the diamond…
And Willie Boom Boom can be an OF for a day….
And Callaspo can play 3B/OF…

by dubPeacock on Apr 19, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

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