Jeff Francoeur Is Tied for the League Lead in RBIs
by Freneau on Apr 22, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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Jeff Francoeur is tied for the American League lead in RBIs this season, with 16. Francoeur shares real estate atop the leaderboard with bonafide sluggers such as Adrian Beltre and Mark Teixeira. On his heels, the venerable Paul Konerko. Amidst such company, Francoeur has signaled his return to prominence. For whatever it's worth, MLB Network certainly considers him the true leader. Francoeur's face has been staring at viewers all night, because the league leader in RBIs gets marquee treatment.
You win with runs and you get runs from run producers and you measure run producers by RBIs. But don't take my word for it:
Baseball Digest, June 1950, page 55 "Baseball's Greatest Hitters":
"To get the true worth of Gehrig's batting prowess it is preferable to take his runs batted in marks rather than any of his other figures."
I don't know why we'd treat Francoeur any different.
This is completely irrelevant, but I wanted to mention it because I am into numerology. Billy Butler has a .476 OBP this season.
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The day he signed his contract with the Royals
Francoeur is heard to have said “I consider myself…the luckiest man….on the face of the Earth.”
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Ah, the wending way of historical memory
That was actually Dayton.
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 22, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
If that fat dude
Wasn’t clogging the bases every time he batted, just imagine how many RBI’s he’d have!
by kcbottom9th on Apr 22, 2011 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
replace MITCH
with more Jarod Dyson’s so we can set up Frenchy’s opportunities better.
and probably make him a decent player
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I don't get the significance of .476
"Hey, maybe he really does like everyone. But if you like everyone, do you actually like anyone?" - big matt
Not really
2nd in AL behind ARod. Still pretty damn good.
According to Wikipedia, 476
Was the year the Roman Empire fell and the Dark Ages began.
Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.
by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 22, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, well
It was also the beginning of the classical period of Indian mathematics and Indian astronomy.
that's not Western
doesn’t count
"Hey, maybe he really does like everyone. But if you like everyone, do you actually like anyone?" - big matt
Did they have a flag?
Doesn’t count!
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like it may have also been
the last year KC was in the playoffs.
by Black and Gold on Apr 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU!!
The Royals are hosed.
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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Interstate 476
Runs through Wilmington, Class A affiliate of the Royals.
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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
High RBI comes from lots of RBI opportunities.
Francoeur gets lots of RBI opportunities because the guys ahead of him in the lineup get on base a lot.
by Trey Hillman's Chin on Apr 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
ahhh, I see. Thanks.
clevah
"Hey, maybe he really does like everyone. But if you like everyone, do you actually like anyone?" - big matt
So, Frenchy’s past numbers are nothing short of terrible, there is no denying that, but here are the numbers he’s on pace for:
.328/.361/.890 28 HR 136 RBI 102 R
I’m not saying he’ll do anything even close to that, but at what point does the collective blogosphere have to say “You know what, Frenchy might actually be HELPING the Royals.” Say he finishes with this line:
.275/.325/.750 18 HR 80 RBI 85 R
Not HOF numbers or even really AS numbers, but wouldn’t we take them? Or are we still going to be bitching about him in September just because it’s all we know how to do?
hmm....
I’d call those AS numbers. I mean……a .750 SLG kind of indicates he’s hit more than 18 HRs too. maybe you were thinking of something like .275/.325/.495 ?
"Hey, maybe he really does like everyone. But if you like everyone, do you actually like anyone?" - big matt
Through April 21
2011: .329/.363/.534
through April 21, 2010: .281/.358/.526
Entire 2010 season: .249/.300/.383
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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 22, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Matt, your point is certainly valid, but my question was IF he posts those numbers, should there be some crow eaten? If not, at what point do we say he had a good season and was, at least in hindsight, a good acquisition. I’m not saying I think he was or I think he’ll have a good year, just wondering if he’s being held to a “higher” standard because we all assumed he was going to be so awful.
It's gonna be hard for him to quell the disbelief
He’s been such an attractive mirage so many times in the past.
Frenchy will have to put up numbers like that for a minimum of 1 full season if not 2 seasons to change the perception of him.
Even then, still want to sell high on him, just take the disappointment. 25 years of losing tends to make us fans pretty gun shy.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 22, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I don’t care if he’s STILL hitting .326 in July, I’m 110% in support of trading him.
that makes a trade make much more sense.....
value would be very high
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by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He has lost a lot of weight, right?
He’s a NEW MAN
"Hey, maybe he really does like everyone. But if you like everyone, do you actually like anyone?" - big matt
IF it happens, great. But it's not close to likely, so why should anyone think about the scenario?
but my question was IF he posts those numbers
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Rock Chalk Talk
arent you the one always talking about how in season splits are completely useless?
month by month or first/second etc
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by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is illustrating why they are here
by kcbottom9th on Apr 22, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
seems like he's using frenchys first 3 weeks last year
and his first 3 weeks this year as a reason why francoeur wont keep it up.
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by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
emil brown 2005, 2006
.286/.349/.804 (OPS) 17 HR 86 RBI 75 R
.287/.358/.815 15 HR 81 RBI 77 R
a bit better than the numbers you gave, and i don’t recall anyone being too enamored with him.
by andrewmiller on Apr 22, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Emil Brown couldn't field the ground he was standing on.
Freedom at least has the reputation of being a good defender.
Reputation of having a good arm
His range is only rangy compared to “poste de cerca” Guillen.
"We don’t have guys with a long history of being effective in the seventh and eighth innings."
~Trey Hillman, master of understatements.
he's been right at average the past two years....
with two years way above average before that. to say he’s anything but an average to slightly above average fielder is dumb
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by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The thug being
Hez lost a lot of weight and looks more like that player that had way above average D then he does the average one this year. If he actually is back to being a really good defender, and even has average offense the rest of the year ( and stats suggest a slump for may/June and then a performance similar to now the rest of the season), then he is way better than anything else we have to replace him, and looks like he was an incredible find on management’s part.
by Prime2U on Apr 22, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if he puts up those numbers with averageish defense....
its a win for dayton
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by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
seelz ... thank you!
seriously, when we got the guy RR was ready to form a lynch mob to kill GNDM from most of what I was reading at the time …
yet he comes out this year and YES, helping the team … driving in runs, doing his job … personally, I like the guy so far … a lot
more than I can say for Kila … the guy everyone has clamored for around here every year since Limatime left for warmer (or colder) climes
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Is this the baseball equivalent of a pump and dump scheme?
The difference being it’s legal here
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by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 22, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Just over 8% of the way to 191
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I know everyone wants to trade him ASAP
But I’m a little different. I’m all for trading Cabrera because we have a near-ready replacement in Cain. I would love to see us trade Chen because he still seems like smoke and mirror and he’s definitely not part of 2012.
But Frenchy could be. We don’t have an outfielder with his talent ready in AAA. He’s always had talent and could be putting things together (yes I know you are all so wise and have seen this before).
Most importantly, I think he provides perspective to our younger players. This team is the substrate onto which Moose, Hosmer and Myers will be attached. Butler and Gordon have a pretty good perspective on how to handle “being the guy” but neither have been through it like Frenchy. He’s almost a cautionary tale for them, and could at the same time be a redemption story. I can see him being a Fred McGriff or Otis Nixon in our rebuilding plan.
You said it well... Been my take for a while on him
If he can just play decent offense from here on, he’s showing he’s put in the effort to improve his D, and he’s better than anything we have to fill the spot this year. I don’t know that I’d want him long term, but I don’t have a problem with all of this season and perhaps part of next.
by Prime2U on Apr 22, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
guys
he does this shit every year though.
Great through mid-May or so, then………..kerplunk
"Hey, maybe he really does like everyone. But if you like everyone, do you actually like anyone?" - big matt
500+ PA's in each category - the difference b/t April and May/June is staggering
Split / OPS / tOPS+
April-March / 0.794 / 114
May / 0.657 / 79
June / 0.681 / 86
July / 0.769 / 107
August / 0.755 / 105
Sept-Oct / 0.768 / 108
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 22, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
from b-ref
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=francje02&year=Career&t=b
Another interesting tidbit, his BABIP goes up as the year goes along:
0.288
0.284
0.295
0.301
0.311
0.318
The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. ~ Bertrand Russell
by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 22, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
thats really weird....
good early….awful for two months and then good again….i wonder if there’s any real explanation for that
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by billybeingbilly on Apr 22, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I know his bat won't stay this hot
And his defense has been pretty average the past couple of years. But, he also hasn’t bothered to really get in shape the last couple of years. It’s pretty obvious to all of us that he has done that this year, and it appears to be paying off. It seems likely that his defense will look more like the early years than the recent ones this year, and his bat so far has been so good (especially in pressure/clutch situations) that even with his normal slump, there’s a really good chance that we’ll not have much to complain about.
by Prime2U on Apr 22, 2011 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fucking really?
he also hasn’t bothered to really get in shape the last couple of years.
Nope, he hasn’t fucking cared the last few years. Just let himself get fat, now that he’s in KC he’s raring to go!!!! 1111 One.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
More importantly, he's the league leader in smiles
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Brayan Pena takes umbrage with this comment
If need be, he will challenge Frenchy to a Smile-Off.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Frenchy even made Joe West smile when they were chatting at first base.
He infected Joe West with his sense of positivity.
I looked into Francoeur
He’s pretty much entirely about his BABIP. I tried to be optimistic, but it’s hard when a player’s fortunes are tied to a stat he has to be pretty lucky to do well in. Still, he’s got some history to suggest he can keep up this type of performance over about half a season.
http://royalinexile.blogspot.com/2011/04/well-right-field-is-solvedright.html
You want optimism? My glass is half full of emptiness.
Oops
That being said, he has a better bb/k ration and is seeing more pitches per plate appearance. Not by much, but enough to indicate there could have been a change…IF it keeps up. But I have read any press on it, and usually when a hitter changes his approach there’s fluff articles to back it up. I’ve read one about how it was thought in ST that Frenchy’s swing was more flat and direct to the ball (less uppercut), and his g/f ratio is higher so far this season, so maybe…
Anyway, that’s it.
You want optimism? My glass is half full of emptiness.
by DanielSmith on Apr 22, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Can Franc post an OBP lower than his Batting Average in 2011? Technically impossible, I know. But if anyone can do it, it’s Frenchy.
It is possible
Lots of sac flys and no walks will do that.
by kcbottom9th on Apr 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What's amazing
is that KC is 2nd in AL in OBP right now (2nd to Indians — curse them!). Shows you how much Frenchy is an outlier, even for us.
Escobar certainly doesn't help, either.
It’s almost all wrapped up in Getz, Billy, Betemit, Kila, and Treanor. Everyone else sort of sucks at it.
You want optimism? My glass is half full of emptiness.
Haven't We Been
Seeing an unusual number of LHP so far?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Lefties are just getting their licks on us now....
until the great right handed gritmaster, Kendall returns.
Then there will be hell to pay!
TO PAY!
He's got tools, son!
yes
French v. LHP
2011: 476/478/952, 588 wOBA
Career: 303/346/491, 352 wOBA
Frenchy v. RHP
2011: 269/316/365, 302 wOBA
Career: 256/297/402, 303 wOBA
Unfortunately, unless Frenchy is platooned, he will face RHP about 70-75% of the time going forward.
so why don’t we use an RBI % or something
My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!
since last year DeJesus did better in RBI situations than Jose but didnt have as many
just have RBI % or something. Or emphasize # of chances a batter had for their RsBI
My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!
Amazing how many RBI you can have if
a runner is on base for virtually all your plate appearances
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funny, that doesn't seem to work out the same for Kila ...
go figure!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
...and you're hitting .329
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by setupunchtag on Apr 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
How about a ridiculous Francoeur extension?
all the cool kids are doing it with their franchise players…
The WAR folks like yunel apparently. i know this, bobby cox hated going to war with this guy. ~Jon Heyman
by TheBravestWay To Block A Decent Prospect on Apr 22, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
My guess as to the who the next Brave Royal will be:...
IF, and this is a fairly big ‘if’, the Royals stay in contention thru June, I predict they’ll go after Kelly Johnson. He’s had a slow start, but AZ is going to be a seller, especially with Johnson hitting FA in the off-season. Given his season last year, he’ll likely be a Type A, so the compensation should be decent.
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