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Just had long conversation with scout. Likes most KC prospects, but not sold on Moustakas. "Reminds me of Shea Hillenbrand with more power."

Rany Jazayerli

Wait for it...

THE SHIP IS SINKING!

about 1 year ago Newavatar_tiny Matt Klaassen 36 comments 1 recs  | 

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If you can't trust the judgment of an anonymous scout, who can you trust?

Just for the record, the “ship is sinking” quote is the only reason I posted this.

Although, to be fair, the comparison isn’t that far off: Hillenbrand was a guy who didn’t K much, didn’t take many walks, and had “questions” about his defense all along.

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

just to make sure...

I’m not saying Moose = Hillenbrand, just that that comparison makes more sense than some others (e.g., Brandon Wood) that I’ve seen.

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moustakas has an odd profile

relatively low strikeouts, low walks, decent but not great hitter for average, plus power – the best I can come up with is a left-handed Adrian Beltre with a little more power but without the defense – which I suppose would be both good and disappointing at the same time. Or for a less optimistic one, how about a left-handed Joe Crede without the defense?

by Gopherballs on Apr 28, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah...im gonna guess that 90% of the people

even here dont get the ship is sinking quote

Fire Everyone

by billybeingbilly on Apr 28, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

count me as one of those people

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by Crooow on Apr 29, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

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by MarioVanPeebles Republic of China on Apr 28, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That scout thinks your Moms basement

isnt the best place to be lookin for women.

He's got tools, son!

by DaytonSucks on Apr 29, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take it.

In a second. Depending on what “more” means, I guess. Shea Hillenbrand with much more power is a valuable player. And given the failure rate of prospects, if I could sign for shea Hillenbrand plus 100 pts of slugging I do it post haste. Is it ideal? No. But prospects rarely become the ideal.

Bottom line: if shea Hillenbrand + more power is moustakas’s floor, that’s a very good thing.

by billexgordler on Apr 28, 2011 6:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

On Fangraphs, even Hillenbrand's actual performance wouldn't be a terrible floor for Moose

If you take out the 2007 season where he fell off a cliff (-1.6 WAR in 73 games, wow), he was at 6 WAR over 6 seasons. Not ideal, but not a catastrophe, either. Like you say, add in a little power and hopefully slightly better defense, and you come up with an average-ish player, maybe more.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=196&position=1B/3B

by SagehenMacGyver47 on Apr 28, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of his six "non-disaster" seasons

Hillenbrand was average-ish for two of them. He had his uses, although he was almost as bad as Betemit at third, never took a walk, and was by most accounts a real jerk, but that would be extremely disappointing for one of the top 10 prospects in baseball.

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 28, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's going to be interesting to see how

fans react to the inevitable slow start that a Moustakas could get off to in KC. I just don’t believe the same fans who buried Alex Gordon quickly are incapable of doing that to Mike Moustakas too.

There’s a weirdly toxic atmosphere here because the 70s/80s Royals were a far different team than anything that can be done now, so if things aren’t done how they were done in 1977, then some people are going to be real unhappy

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by BHWick on Apr 28, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hmm, interesting thoughts

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by Crooow on Apr 29, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would that be disappointing?

That would put him around average for a top 10 prospect right?

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Apr 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

hold up...

Shea Hillenbrand would be disappointing but not “extremely” disappointing. (Brandon Wood would be “extremely disappointing”…) Shea Hillenbrand with more power would not be disappointing. It would probably be a median-type outcome (if not, better). Again, if this is the worst scouting opinion we can find, this is a good thing.

I’ll just ignore the “jerk” data point. I’m guessing it was sarcastic, but I honestly can’t tell anymore.

by billexgordler on Apr 28, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure he was

Just don’t know why this fact was included in a list of his faults when the discussion was about a comparison with Moustakas. I’m assuming it was like double sarcasm because of the cynicism with which some people here regard stories of Moose’s leadership skills (olive garden. Math homework.) and clubhouse chemistry in general.

Whatever. Hillenbrand went deep twice tonight, but alas, no walks.

by billexgordler on Apr 28, 2011 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep

I’d be perfectly happy if Moustakas became Hillenbrand with a little more power and a little better defense. We’re not gonna get 4 WAR per season from every prospect.

by kcdc1 on Apr 29, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dean Palmer

Which isn’t bad to have, but I don’t think Moose is going to be making All-Stars like some think.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 29, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Dean Palmer almost broke the record

so let’s not put him down that much

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by BHWick on Apr 29, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's a valuable player

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 29, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brad Pittsley the Elder!

DEAN PALMERSTON!

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by cmkeller on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Darn, that should have been JIM Pittsley...

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by cmkeller on Apr 29, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mickey Mantle...

with a healthier liver and less interesting under the bleacher anecdotes for old timers games…..

by Nighthawk at the Diner on May 2, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Out of it for a few days

I guess there was some confusion, as I expected… But just for a note, if 100 more points of SLG than Shea HIllenbrand" wouldn’t be “Shea HIllenbrand” anymore, it would be one of the top power hitters in baseball (about .540 SLG), so I"m not sure the scout was envisioning that much power, or he wouldn’t have been negative, as Rany implies. NOt that I’m endorsing either view.

Having said that, there’s a difference between “better than Shea Hillenbrand” and ‘Shea Hillenbrand." Shea Hillenbrand, well, he sucked. Sorry. He was okay for two seasons, but for most of his career his was a bench player who got played too much. If Moose gives KC two average seasons and flames out, that’s a disappointment for one of the top 10 prospects in baseball.

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by Matt Klaassen on May 2, 2011 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

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