An Encouraging Early Sign: Ned Yost is Using the Right Relievers
I'm going to write this post now, while it is still possible to do so...
For now, the Royal bullpen looks not only good, but also well-managed. As James Burke once said of Europe under Charlemagne, things have taken a dramatic turn towards the so-so. In general, the best pitchers are pitching more than the bad ones and they are pitching well. Particularly stunning has been the early performances of Aaron Crow and Tim Collins. Manager Ned Yost has used the two rookies aggressively and they have delivered. There were high hopes for Collins, but Crow's performance has certainly not been expected.
Here's a breakdown of the bullpen thus far:
| IP | Ks | BBs | |
| Collins | 4 | 6 | 1 |
| Crow | 3 | 5 | 1 |
| Soria | 3 | 0 | 1 |
| O`Sullivan | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| Tejeda | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| Adcock | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Jeffress | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| Texeira | 1 | 0 | 1 |
That's not a bad deployment, even without accounting for leverage. Ideally, you'd want Soria a little nearer the top, along with Jeffress and Tejeda clear of non-impact pitchers like Adcock and Texiera. Hopefully, over time, that will happen. For now, Yost is slowly earning some trust from me that it might.
One of the main reasons I was against the decision to send Crow to the bullpen was the fact that "long relievers" simply don't exist anymore. Well, perhaps the Royals are bringing it back. Tim Collins threw three innings today, a truly rare animal in today's game. Now, today was a unique situation, to be sure: an extra innings game with a day off waiting.
Not that Sunday's game was perfect. It took forever to get to Soria, although that might be because Yost was trying to avoid using him at all. Moreover, you can argue that Collins shouldn't be throwing three innings yet. To get to the bottom of that, we'd have to look closely at the state of his arm and his usage over the Spring. Collins threw 41 pitches Sunday, which isn't absurd but also isn't insignificant.
Finally however, I come here to praise rather than criticize. We're used to maddening bullpen usage around here, rather than interesting and possibly good decisions.
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Bullpen
is looking solid, but I think Jeffress is over rated, based only on pure speed, and needs to be in the minors for a few months, and O’Sullivan hasn’t impressed with either in the spring or yesterday. I’m thinking that within a month we see Coleman and Teaford, as a long leftie, come up. Still a little early to jump to conclusions and act in haste, but SOS and Jeffress are continuing their spring trends and could use some seasoning on a smaller stage.
Straight Fastball
and seems to miss high and fat. Seems a little inconsistent on deliver, also. Reminds me of Farnsworth at this point, but with major upside.
by Jim Fetterolf on Apr 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The Royals will not send him down
Guarantee this.
He may have cleaned up his act but we will never know…the Royals will never know either, as they do not test for marijuana. Minors do…
and since he is 1 strike away from lifetime banning for pot use, its too big of a risk to take with him. He looked pretty good to me in yesterday’s game. But then again, even O’Sullivan looked good for one inning. I’d bet he gets better as the season goes on.
by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Apr 4, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
he can be sent down to the minors without getting drug tested
the only way he’ll ever have to piss in a cup again is if he gets dropped from the 40 man roster
Fire Everyone
by billybeingbilly on Apr 4, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Still too early to know anything.
It’s a little easier for these guys to start strong because no one has seen them yet. We’ll know more about these youngsters as we close in on the All-Star break. Give the hitters around the league a chance to see them before we rush to judgements.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
The thing to really like
Is the strikeout numbers for these guys. Good relievers have to strike people out in big situations. Blake Wood came up last year and had good number initially, but he wasn’t striking anyone out and sure enough he started getting hammered. As long as the K-rate stays up I think these guys will continue to have good success.
There will be some bad outings, but in the end it will only make these guys better down the road, and that is what 2011 is all about.
Is it 2012 yet?
Exactly what I was thinking.
I think that Collins will contunue to be successful as long as he’s healthy. Durability is the real concern with him. He continues to K people all over the place, just like he has at every level. He’s impressive and fun to watch.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts
In July 2009, when the bullpen blew 6 straight or something like that, Hillman came under a good deal of justified criticism for his unwillingness to think outside the box and perhaps use Soria. While Yost hasn’t had to do that, he has at least shown a willingness to adjust on the fly. (I know, TWSS.)
I agree that it’s early to conclude too much. Questions can still be raised about things like how long he stuck with SOS yesterday when he clearly didn’t have his stuff, but tentatively, I’m optimistic.
Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.
by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 4, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also
Jeffress almost reminds me of a Jesse Chavez without the penchant for giving up bombs (the one yesterday notwithstanding). His HR/9 in the minors was a respectable 0.5.
Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.
by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 4, 2011 9:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HR yesterday
It’s not like anybody else was getting tagged for HR’s in that game with the strong winds, OR…..maybe everybody was. Just sayin his first outing which came in a game like yesterdays might not be the best eye test to go off of. The straight fastball scares me but I definitely want to see him pitch some more.
Command
The bullpen was successful in the Angels series because the guys with the best stuff were used more, and they commanded their pitches. As long as guys like Crow, Jeffress and Collins aren’t walking people, they will be good because they have command of hard fastballs and a solid offspeed pitch. 15 k’s against 5 walks in 17 innings is impressive.
Compare this to the angels bullpen, who not only looked terrible but walked a ton of Royals. Seitzer is king.
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Apr 4, 2011 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
So far so good but . . .
I can’t see Collins continuing to be effective unless he changes the delivery on his curve. Earlier there was a post about him possibly tipping it in ihs first game, as his release point was a foot away from normal when throwing a curveball. In yesterday’s game, again, his curve was being delievered a foot away from his normal release point.
Nobody had film on him up to now, but I worry that he will struggle once teams start sitting on that curve.
Maybe, but you can't argue with the K's.
We’ll have film on him too, and I would think that they’ll work on this.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 4, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
2.4% of this article ...
is in between the words “while” and “it” in the midst of the first sentence. Admittedly, it is closer to “it” though, so the Royals (and this article) can always cheat by means of a rounding error.
"I DARE you to make less sense."
Like to see one more lefty
…it’ll be interesting to see which one of the potential LHers, Teaford, Duffy, or Hardy, asserts himself in Omaha and is called up, first. And there’s Holland, Coleman, Wood, and even Mendoza from the right side. How nice is it the Royals have decent options in AAA, now? Very deep—I’ll be surprised if Tejeda and Texiera aren’t dealt some time this summer.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
Texiera will still be cheap next year.
I think he is a pretty average reliever.
Go Royals!
Did you just use Mendoza and decent in the same thought?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
it wasn't a casual addition, believe me, and I DID leave off Chavez.
Mendoza had a good spring and supposedly has a ‘new’ pitch. So if he keeps showing good results, then yeah, I’d say he was a ‘decent’ option. And I said, “and even Mendoza”, which is a bit more qualified than, “and Mendoza”, and I mentioned him last for a reason. But yes, after watching Mendoza’s self-immolation routine last year it wasn’t easy for me to list him as an option.
If women only slept with nice guys...guys would only be nice. And they don't. And we're not.
The entire AAA roster
looks good. I’d take them in a best-of-seven series against the 2005 Royals, for example.
It's all ball bearings these days!
by CentralChamps20?? on Apr 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll offer one criticism:
Moore really needed to find a way for Coleman to make the team out of spring. He deserved it over several pitchers (O’Sullivan, Jeffress, and perhaps Adcock)
Minor quibble, I suppose (Coleman will almost certainly be here at some point this year) .
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"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
by loyal2sdad on Apr 4, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agree
came down to 40-man roster moves, i think.
but, why postpone the inevitable and keep a guy like jesse chavez instead of adding coleman to the 40-man?
Waiting for April.

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Crow and Collins
One encouraging thing with the use of Crow is that Yost has limited his exposure against left-handed hitters, which given that he is basically a fastball/slider guy right now, could be a problem. The lack of a developed curve or change was apparently one of the reasons Crow was moved off of starting, but it also could still present problems in the bullpen when facing lefties. So far, Crow has faced 11 batters, but only four lefties (who are 2 for 4 with 2 2B and no BB or K against him). The hope would be that Crow can develop something to keep lefties honest (preferably a change, but a curve, cutter, or splitter could help too) so that he can become more than just a ROOGY.
A very encouraging sign with Collins is that he has done very well facing mostly right-handed hitters (15 Total Batters Faced, all but 2 right-handed). Unlike Crow, Collins regularly throws both a curve and a change, so the success against opposite handed hitters should not be completely unexpected.
I liked the quote (well, paraphrase) from Jamie Burke — I did not know career backup catchers were so thoughtful.
by Gopherballs on Apr 4, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Crow did throw one pitch
the other at at 85mph with nice break. That was the only 85mph that I saw. Was that his slider? I thought he was throwing his slider much faster than that.
talk to me, Johnny...
The very early BIS data on pitches captured
has Crow throwing 62.5% fastballs (at an average velocity of 94.3 MPH) and 37.5% sliders (86.1 MPH).
What I thought watching Collins yesterday:
Royals, are you SURE this guy couldn’t develop into a starter? No platoon issues, two above avg pitches, and I’d bet he could develop a third if given time to work on it. I’m going to bet scouts have ruled this out SIMPLY because of his size. Forty-one pitches to get thru three innings? That’s starter-like efficiency.
Now, to play devil’s advocate to my own thought: This kid reminds me of a LH Tom Gordon, who did have trouble developing a third pitch, and thus became a dominant closer instead of a #2 starter.
A BOLD move here would be, if you don’t want to start Collins, is to move him to closer and try Soria in the rotation, or if you don’t want to do that, trade Soria for possibly TWO HOLES in the current lineup and thus accelerate the process.
"We're gonna win with pitching and defense" General Manager Dayton Moore, circa winter 2009
"Where did all these Indians come from?" General George Armstrong Custer, circa summer 1876
by loyal2sdad on Apr 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I See The
Latter as more likely. I just don’t yhink anyone believes Collins could throw that many pitches without breaking down. He has to be a high effort guy to get the results he does. Crow looks like another potential closer, too. When he can just let it go for an inning or two, he looks overpowering at times.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Apr 4, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The other thing with Collins
is that if he moved to the rotation, he is going to lose velocity. In the pen so far, he is sitting around 92 MPH. If he moved, a 90 MPH fastball is still about average for a lefty, but the impact on his swing and miss rate might not be linear.
what i loved...
is that Crow and Collins basically made the Angels their bitch
by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Apr 4, 2011 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Not sure if anyone noticed when Crow pitched to Hunter
on Saturday with the bases loaded, and owned him on three pitches, was the look on Hunter’s face. After he struck out, he seemed to glare at Crow as if to say “Very impressive, but I’m Torii Hunter, how dare you throw high cheese at me rookie.”
Also, I was at the game yesterday and watched Collins pitching and was very impressed. I think he deserves a nickname maybe. I was thinking something like 4 penny perhaps? (small nails?) Maybe too obscure?
There should be something witty or prophetic here, but I'm just too lazy to think up anything at the moment.
I think I saw it on RoyalsCorner
a picture of a Collins-kinda looking guy dressed as Rambo with the idea of that for a nickname…
someone else came up with “Pocket Rambo” …loved that! :)
4 penny is faaaar too obscure LOL
by KennyPowers_from_Scout on Apr 4, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Ned's use of relievers thus far
Now, if we could perhaps address Pinchrunapalooza from yesterday’s game…?
He's done it 2-3 times now.
Either opening day, or friday he ran for Kila and Butler in the same half inning. I think Betemit came in to play 1st after that, but I was nervous yesterday when I saw Gordon at 1B.
BTW, did anyone see Roy Oswalt playing LF the other day?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 4, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
For the Phillies…
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on Apr 4, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fundamental misunderstanding may be
Ned’s apparent belief that MLB employs a 4×100 meter relay race as a tiebreaker after 10 innings.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 4, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I blame the strange Cactus league tiebreaker rules.
They confuse Ned.
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