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Proper fan etiquette

We've seen it a thousand times if we've seen it once. A fan of an opposing team is trash talking to anyone around him that will listen...and tempers start to flare...

After the latest story of an incident in LA that left a Giants fan in a medically induced coma, I am compelled to write this.  Story here.

This should NEVER happen. Sporting events are supposed to be family friendly events where anybody can go and enjoy themselves. Players usually go about their business with good sporting attitudes. If you have ever played a sport, you were taught good sportsmanship. You tip your cap when the opposing player makes a good play. You shake your opponents hand whether you win or lose.

Now, I'm not saying there should be no "trash talk". Players will talk trash. It's what they do, and I don't have a problem with that style of "chest beating" competitiveness...as long as it stays within the game and the respect for your opponent never disappears. Professional athletes usually do a pretty good job of this...even in hockey, fights have greatly diminished. It's all in proper sportsmanship.

But what is proper sportsmanship with fans? Here are my thoughts. Please feel free to step in with your opinions...and please...keep the trash talking and tempers down.

Star-divide

Here are ten quick ball-park etiquette rules so that you and others around you can enjoy the game.

1) Look for kids. If there are kids around, halt all trash talk and cursing. No exceptions.

2) If you dare wear your jersey to an opponents stadium, be prepared for anything. My advice is just don't do it.

3) Limit your beer. Know your limit. Don't go past a "buzz".

4) If you are going to trash talk to someone around you, do it respectfully...and make sure that person/persons are respectfully doing it in return...like a mutual sport of trash talk where both of you laugh and tip your cap to each other. If you can't do that, then shut your mouth. Just cheer when your team does well, and leave it at that. If you can't shut your mouth, then you need to leave. Go visit the gift shop.

5) If someone is being rude, kindly ask them to chill. Don't get on the same level and be rude back.

6) If you find out you are bothering those around you, swallow your pride and apologize. Change your behavior and try to enjoy the game.

7) STAND UP when someone in your row is trying to enter/leave.

8) If you catch a foul ball or homerun, give it to your kid or a kid around you.

9) If there is someone in front of you, put your feet down.

10) Don't be a prude. Don't get mad when people cheer or jeer. It's a ball game. What do you expect? Take it in. It's part of the experience. This includes when you are on the dang "Kiss Cam", you bloody well kiss. C'mon and show a little love.

Your attitude needs to be the same outside the ballpark. Don't be trash-talking and acting like an ass in the parking lot.

If all else fails, then security needs to step in. But people...that shouldn't happen. Be smart, respect others and have fun.

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Good article.

More people need to have better etiquette at sporting events, imho.

by Jack Marsh on Apr 4, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Etiquette

If you have a seat in the middle of a row, you may only make other spectators stand up a maximum of 4 times per game while you leave to get food/go to restroom.

When buying tickets at the stadium, know EXACTLY where you want to sit & how much you want to spend. Don’t make people wait behind you in line when the game is about to start.

by RoyalsFan on Apr 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The last one rings true

Sometimes it seems like people are closing on a house, the length of time it takes them to pick out two tickets.

by Olentangy on Apr 4, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That said, Chavez Ravine

Is an awful atmosphere. Unless you’re sitting in the expensive seats be prepared to be on guard. The folks sitting in the cheap seat and the bleachers (you should avoid the bleachers no matter where you go) out at Dodgers Stadium are to be avoided at all costs.

My 7 year old nephew’s little league team was the Padres so he wore his team SD hat to a game, my brother’s family didn’t make it past the 4th inning before my nephew was reduced to tears.

I just don’t get it. Hell, I’ve worn my Royals jersey to the Cell and Yankees Stadium on a number of occaisions and have never been treated to the type of behavious that I see at a Dodgers game.

Pour yourself a Tim Collins

by labbadabba on Apr 4, 2011 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

2) If you dare wear your jersey to an opponents stadium, be prepared for anything. My advice is just don't do it.

I’ve done this a few times and honestly have never had a problem. Only in St. Louis in Minnesota though – maybe its the midwestern hospitality?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a tough time with that

I live in NYC and see a lot of youths wearing KC hats, but something tells me they’re not Royals fans…

Pour yourself a Tim Collins

by labbadabba on Apr 4, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got grief at Yankee stadium

for wearing my Royals jersey to a game. Mostly a ‘what? really? Why the Royals?’ and a teenage punk being a teenage punk over it. No biggie there, either.

Love is the most important thing in the world, but baseball is pretty good too. ~Greg, age 8

by loyal2theroyals on Apr 4, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

no one really gives a damn when you’re wearing Royals gear to an interleague game in Houston. It’s like, oh, wait, you guys still exist? I’m sorry.

Hating life as a Royals fan 365 days a year at Royalscentricity

by Old Man Duggan on Apr 5, 2011 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying to not be prepared?

Most of the time, people are cool. Most of the time, it is not what you are wearing, but the attitude you are carrying. However…and not to sound like a boyscout…you should be prepared. You never know when a jerk is going to be a jerk.

by maestrodave on Apr 4, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, you should be prepared

And let comments slide off your back, but I wouldn’t say “don’t do it.” I see lots of Royals games on the road on TV with Royals fans wearing gear. I can’t imagine they’re all harrassed.

Besides, we’re not really a big rival to anyone. labba is right, we elicit sympathy more than anything.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

the sympathy is almost worse

Making watching baseball as fun as doing your taxes.
My Twitter feed.

by Matt Klaassen on Apr 4, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

almost much

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

by Royal Kingdom on Apr 5, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should be able to wear a jersey

in any stadium at any time, but if you feel you may be risking something, don’t. Really, it should never be that way.
And yeah…sympathy. It’s almost laughable how many times that has happened.

by maestrodave on Apr 4, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last time I wore my Royals jersey to the Oakland Coliseum

…at least three different times, A’s fans shouted at me that I had an inappropriate relationship with my mother.

But then again, Oakland sports fans are…an interesting breed. I don’t even wear my Chiefs jersey between the months of September-December. It’s just not worth it.

by DarthYoshi on Apr 4, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Understandable...

I literally have small urges to drive the guys with the GIGANTIC Raiders stickers on their cars (with MO or KS plates) off the road…not because they are Oakland fans…I don’t mind Oakland fans…if they had a California license plate, I’d be like hmmm…it’s the “hey look at me, I HATE the Chiefs!!!!! you guys are midwest retards!!!! I’m a cool Raiders fan!!!” look of it

I make rash generalizations sometimes

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on Apr 4, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

U of Nebraska/Yankees fans are the worst

I guess I get the Joba connection, but wasn’t AGordon the bigger player there? And they should Royals fans for life because of Ken Harvey!

But seriously, you’re in the midwest, root for midwestern clubs. At least cheer for the Twins. Cheering for the Yankees just gives you a bandwagon rep.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

the Yankees thing...

I have grown to understand…still hate the Yankees (and are my #1 disliked pro team in the long haul of things), but hate them in a good way…

it becomes a cultural thing…I associate with Irish pride and so the Red Sox thing I am on board with…the Yankees have traditions in Italian, Irish, Hispanic, Black and just general New York-y multi-racial vibe…Oakland has this chip-on-the-shoulder California vibe

don’t know what I m saying, just saying

I guess its that some folks like teams for a lot more reasons than just the bandwagon jump for winning

I was a HUGE Dolphins fan as a kid and I really couldn’t tell you why (colors? Marino?)

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've worn mine to Camden Yards and the folks around us were super nice.

Of course that was back in the late 90s. Near the end of last season we sat near some Orioles fans at the K and they said they don’t go to Orioles home games when they’re playing the Red Sox or Yankees because so many of the other teams fans come down and take over the stadium. Since they were retired and like to travel anyway, they now take road trips to see the country and while they weren’t exactly following the Orioles around the country, they did take various swings to catch them in as many other ball parks as possible. Frankly, it made me wish I could retire and do that. They seemed pretty cool.

I know some people on here have mentioned problems with Cardinals fans and Twins fans at the K, but where we usually sit everyone is ridiculously nice to each other and people are sociable with each other without being in somebody’s face no matter the team affiliation.

by Gross(est) on Apr 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

this is because the Royals haven’t been worth a damn since 1994.

Hating life as a Royals fan 365 days a year at Royalscentricity

by Old Man Duggan on Apr 5, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah.

Nobody really hates us anymore.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on Apr 5, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Went to a few Orioles/Red Sox game in Baltimore

It was like a Twins/Royals game in KC.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

St Louis is the only other place I have

Not a single problem there.

Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.

by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 5, 2011 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

8) If you catch a foul ball or homerun, give it to your kid or a kid around you.

I also don’t agree with this. I don’t think you should trample kids to get a ball, and if there is any kind of child competition, let them win. But if I catch a fly ball right at me, I’m keeping it. I’ve never caught a ball before, and I’m sure my kid might get a kick out of it when I get home.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Otherwise good article

They really should post stadium etiquitte around the ballpark or make it a contest “we’re the classiest fans in baseball” or something. I still remember Bill James had a lengthy article back in the late 80s about how unruly fans (he was talking about Royals Stadium) were getting.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I caught a foul ball and my kid was at home,

I would take it to him.
My main point on this one was to put the kids first.

by maestrodave on Apr 4, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I catch bunches of fouls in the view level.

I’m in the front row, and pretty close to the plate, but they also land behind me sometimes.

by kcemigre on Apr 4, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

This used to be my attitude.

I was in an aisle seat in the first row behind the Royals’ dugout a few years ago, and notice that a kid with a glove kept sneaking down the aisle and crouching by the wall when foul ball situations arose. I take my glove to the park (and have for years until it was stolen at the game saturday, by the way), so I’m ready generally ready to catch one myself. Anyway, Sweeney got himself into a pitcher’s count at some point, and there’s the kid, right next to me.

Sweeney lines one at us, and in the split-second I have to react, I think I’ll just let the kid have it, because it’s coming pretty much right at both of us. Before I was done thinking that thought, the ball skipped on the top of the dugout and ricocheted 20 feet up off of the kid’s nose. He when down immediately and the nose was an instant gusher. As the blood was pooling on the concrete, some folks (parents, I assume) came down and started carrying him up the steps. Halfway to the concourse, BTW, a guy walked up and handed that screaming kid the ball. In a way, he’d earned it.

Ever since, my philosophy has been: catch the ball and give it to the kid.

by kcemigre on Apr 4, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know how that kid feels.

I got a black eye and a cracked orbital bone when I got pushed by a 300+ man trying to get a routine foul on the third base side in 03. Bastard didn’t give up the ball either, simply told me to suck it up after I went eye first into the corner of a seat. Team set me up good though, Sweeney knocked one out that night into the left field grass area, had him sign it, gave it to me when I was in the first aid office.

Out of light, cometh darkness.

by TheSmokingPun on Apr 4, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

my 2 cents

You shouldn’t really have to “look for kids” at the ballpark before you watch your language. Just go ahead and assume that there are some within earshot. There’s no reason or need to yell curse words at a ballgame or any other sporting event.

Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau

by aHorseWithNoName on Apr 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

I’m no Ned Flanders, but I’m kinda alarmed how cavalierly people toss f-bombs around in public now.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, I swear like a sailor

when I’m in private company or if I’m playing some sort of sport, but when I’m in public (including commenting on SB articles and Facebook) I almost never swear. I am shocked by how much swearing I hear everyday on the streets, my workplace, or on FB.

Pour yourself a Tim Collins

by labbadabba on Apr 4, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am completely and utterly confused...

on the swear issue…I don’t understand why a word is bad…I’m kind of in the Carlin vein when it comes to that

now I have kids and cringe when “shit” is said by a kid in The Sandlot

being a responsible father is weird

I have very small children and we don’t say even say “butt” we say “bottom” and so forth

but out in public I have been known to let F*bombs gloriously fly…I think everyone is paying me back by swearing in front of my children

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on Apr 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm right there with you

and when I am around kids, I tone it down, and try to get my friends to tone it down.

But the whole “[Word] is bad because we say it’s bad” has always baffled me.

Overgay is Destiny

by DCRoyals on Apr 4, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Words have meaning

Part of the reason we like using these profanities is because they’re profane. I won’t be surprised if fifty years from now, the “seven naughty words” aren’t considered profane any more, and thus don’t pack the punch they used to and aren’t used much at all.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I often use profanities as filler words rather than as words of emphasis.

All that separates “Ass” from “Butt” from “Bottom” is the meaning we’ve ascribed them, and it’s really quite arbitrary. The thing each of the words describes is the same.

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by DCRoyals on Apr 4, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well of course

They have different meanings, that’s why we use them differently.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

adding to this

To me, tone is an important part of communication and language. What DCRoyals refers to as arbitrary, I would call necessary (and I’m not just referring to “bad” words here).
For example, by the dictionary definitions “bottom orifice” and “asshole” both refer to the same area of an animal’s anatomy. However, I would expect different reactions to each term – “bottom orifice” just sounds silly & “asshole” might get me punched in the nose. “Asshole” is just more confrontational and aggressive in tone than “bottom orifice”.

Tension is the enemy. - Charlie Lau

by aHorseWithNoName on Apr 4, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Linguists call these "taboo words"

They’re normally related to religion, excretion, or sex/body parts, and they seem to exist in all cultures (It’s claimed that Koko the gorilla signs “feces” when she’s angry, if you believe gorilla communication studies.) They have different strengths; “cunt” and “fuck” seem to be stronger than all the others, at least in America. The N-word is very taboo for whites; note that I just used a euphemism for it.

We don’t really know why they’re taboo in certain circumstances, but they are. Adults generally don’t use them around children, and vice versa. You generally don’t use them with strangers. Some people don’t use them at all.

Taboo word use is stricter in the US than in Spain. In the US it’s in poor taste to shout taboo words at the players, unless you’re in Philadelphia or a Mets fan, and it might get you kicked out of the stadium. In Spain they don’t shout anything but the foulest, most vulgar curses, including racial slurs. Barça’s favorite cheer is “¡Madrid, cabrón, saluda el campión!”, which means "(Real) Madrid, you bastards (literally “cuckolds”), salute the champions!"

"America is a nation without a distinct criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." --Mark Twain

by Juancho on Apr 5, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've always thought it silly

We have to say “n-word” when using it in a non-offensive context. I mean, its not the word itself that should be offensive, its the way it is used. As a profanity, its offensive. As a discussion about the word, it should be okay to say it. I’m a grown ass man, I shouldn’t have to say “n word” like I was a little kid afraid to say a profanity.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's just the pragmatism of language.

I won’t even use “niggardly” in public, because “stingy” means the same thing and won’t get me whacked over the head by somebody who doesn’t know the word.

Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.

by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 5, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

How bout...

renigue? that is an actual card playing term and everyone thinks that it is racial

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have really bad spelling..

and grammar and assume that y’all get tired of it…after all I drop elipses like wild fire for no apparent reason…at least when I post I try to up my game

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still hear "gyp" used a lot

And i think its roots are prejudice against gypsies.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that is good stuff holmes

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is

Most people don’t know it’s spelled that way and are accordingly unaware of its etymology.

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by Old Man Duggan on Apr 6, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a college professor once

Who stood up and said that “gyp” itself is a slur.

Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.

by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 6, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it is

It definitely comes from “gypsy.”

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by Juancho on Apr 6, 2011 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was extremely naive as a teenager

Which is no excuse for my ignorance, but I had friends that said “jew” as a verb as in “screwed out of my money.” I moved from an area that had no Jewish people to near Leawood which has a sizeable Jewish community – but to be honest I really had no idea what the difference between Jews and non-Jews was other than their religion. Anyway, I was talking to one of my friends and I said “that guy jewed him out of his money.” My friend responds “you know I’m Jewish, right?”

One of the most humiliating experiences of my life. Couldn’t believe I had been so stupid all that time.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 6, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Jews

How is it that “Jews” is a perfectly acceptable shortening of “Jewish people” and “Japs” is considered a racial epithet and an entirely unacceptable shortening of “Japanese people”? I understand the WWII-era genesis of the word, but how did it become so negative? Just because the Japanese were enemies of the (mostly English-speaking) allies? There were obviously a lot of negative circumstances surrounding Jewish people during that era, but “Jews” never took on such a derogatory connotation. Just seems odd to me.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Apr 6, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew a kid in high school that used "Jew"

as his favorite derogatory term. Instead of calling someone an idiot, he’d say, “What are you? Jewish?” I’m not Jewish but I found it particularly annoying. He was a 5 foot tall preppy with a big mouth, that needed to get his ass handed to him in a fistfight. But we were on the golf team together, so we coexisted.

by AxDxMx on Apr 6, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Damon were shorter, and had freckles.

This guy’s name was Chuck. This was also the same kid that couldn’t figure out why I was pissed that he was smoking weed and driving us back from a summer golf tourney. I wasn’t smoking up and offered to drive, but he was having none of it and was barely paying attention to the road.

by AxDxMx on Apr 6, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Jew" is standard English

E.g. “Jesus was a Jew.” It’s like saying “Augustine was a Christian.”

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by Juancho on Apr 7, 2011 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably the usage

“Negro” used to be a pretty commonly accepted term until it became associated with racism. “Jap” was used during WWII as an epithet.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 7, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a comedian that does a joke about this.

I think the routine goes that he converted to Judaism for marriage, and wondered if now he could use the phrase, “Man that guy really ussed him out of his money.”

by AxDxMx on Apr 6, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Worked in a super blue collar job...

where swearing was just second nature…even for the ladies in the profession…I assumed we used it as a buffer, or mechanism, that indicates you are, “One of us”…the only folks that didn’t swear were the highly religious folks and they tolerated it, and sometimes you knew ahead of time to be considerate

And the funny thing is that this rings true when I think about some of the drivers that would take us to the jobs (majority of them women)…some of the drivers seemed to be very lady-like and not an above-us attitude, but more of a non-blue collar attitude and therefore, some of us (workers) would refrain from throwing words around them…but most of them that considered themselves union workers as a group, with us included, swore up and down…and I assume this was their way of saying, “I am one with you”…society works in strange ways folks

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ever seen the group of construction workers...

or highwaymen or any real hard working job go in a restaurant and eat together for lunch?

They have a hard time distinguishing the setting because they are still “at work” and will say a lot of “inappropriate” things

Gorilla feces…hahahaha

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not even sure how much I swear

more than I should, I’m sure. Every dirty word shows up every now and then, but I never notice a line being crossed. The reason for this is that I have no children and I can’t even tell you the last time I’ve been around a child old enough to speak. I’m at the age when all my friends are starting to have children, so this may all change very soon.

by 9il on Apr 4, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

How dare you suggest

that the removal of oppressive Western mores is anything but the path to Liberation!

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by Matt Klaassen on Apr 5, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

How far do you take this?

Is “Crap” verboten? “Ass”? “Suck”?

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by DCRoyals on Apr 4, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the ballpark,

I don’t yell any of these at the top of my lungs. I’m not perfect, nor am I Ned Flanders (thanks Retro) by any stretch, but I try to be responsible for what comes out of mouth in public. I try to yell positive things at the park (so yes, this means that I’ve never yelled “Yuni sucks!!!” at the K).

At home in front of the TV is another story…..(and yes, I know they can’t hear me)……..

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by aHorseWithNoName on Apr 4, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Basically, I wouldn't say anything you can't say around your grandma.

Maybe your grandma was really cool, but if mine heard me drop the f-bomb, I’d think her ears would bleed.

by AxDxMx on Apr 4, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I go as far as

“crap,” “asshole,” “dick,” “suck,” and “shit” (only when provoked). I restrict my use of stronger taboo words, unless talking about them analytically.

I would not use any taboo words around somebody’s grandma. You gotta show some respect. If Grandma starts cursing like a sailor, then I’d go ahead and join in.

One of my grandmas never used any taboo words. The other one did. Granny was a salty old lady, born on a ranch in far West Texas near Marathon. People out there worked hard (Granny’s dad was at various times a cowboy, on the Customs Service, and a clerk at a general store, mostly because he was honest and literate; she married my grandad, a signals electrician from Kansas on the Southern Pacific) and didn’t mince words. She used to talk about “that son-of-a-bitch Nixon.”

"America is a nation without a distinct criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." --Mark Twain

by Juancho on Apr 5, 2011 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, wait. I meant in general conversation with somebody I know

I wouldn’t shout any taboo words at the ballpark. Come up with something creative.

"America is a nation without a distinct criminal class, with the possible exception of Congress." --Mark Twain

by Juancho on Apr 5, 2011 5:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

nothing like an oldhead SP guy

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Marathon was the nearest town?

Was it toward the NP, Sanderson, Alpine, or Fort Stockton?

I really want to stay at the Gage the next time I’m out there (I was just there two weeks ago).

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by Old Man Duggan on Apr 6, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know; I believe my great-grandad worked on several ranches

They had a small house in town that my mom and her sisters inherited, and they fixed it up as a vacation spot, though it’s still pretty primitive.

Some of my mom’s cousins manage (not own) the Iron Mountain ranch out there, which is huge because it includes all of Iron Mountain.

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by Juancho on Apr 6, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

just north of town, a little west of US 385?

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by Old Man Duggan on Apr 6, 2011 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure about the exact location

I haven’t been there since I was like 14. I could ask my Aunt June. She would know.

My grandparents left Marathon a couple of years after my mom was born; my grandad got a job on the MKT out of Houston, and they moved there and stayed for the rest of their lives.

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by Juancho on Apr 6, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

My mind was blown

The first time I heard my grandmother say “shit”. That was a few years ago.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems that everybody knows all the taboo words

whether they use them or not. Your grandma could read Penthouse Forum and understand every word.

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by Juancho on Apr 6, 2011 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've learned to never underestimate people's ignorance of slang..

A few years ago, I was on an Amtrak train and the conductor asked somebody a question. The answer was “yeah”. He genuinely did not know what “yeah” meant.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 6, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I’m really hoping it was a strange joke no his part, but I didn’t get that impression.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 6, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, you gotta watch out for them passenger conductors...

freight train conductors are completely cool though

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by PhattStairs on Apr 6, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember...

Pole to pole and hole to hole, but never pole to hole or hole to pole

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by PhattStairs on Apr 4, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I could take issue with a number of your points...

but mostly I think you’re waaaaaaayyy off base to think that simple issues of etiquette were the difference between two Dodgers fans back-hitting the slowest Giants fan trying to leave.

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by ChrisCEIT on Apr 4, 2011 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Remember...

you don’t have to out-swim the shark, you have to out-swim the person you’re with

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said the same thing to my wife...

and loffed too.

and to your point below, I agree – they removed (and other stadiums have done the same) the bleacher/GA section such that there isn’t a place to just be rowdy if you want to.

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by ChrisCEIT on Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Generally, you'll rarely see any problem at the K

Unless it’s Buck Night or College Night.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 5, 2011 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

hasn't the party deck...

kind of moved the folks that drink into a general area?

this is why I still hate the idea of no OF GA…you know what your getting a party crowd if you go GA…if you don’t want that you fall into the normal societal construct of buying a more expensive ticket to get away from that…the weird mix is the upperdeck where families that can’t afford 30 bucks a ticket sit with rowdy college kids

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

It has done a good job of it..

It can get rather crowded, and part of me suspects not everybody knows about it yet. But, yeah, it has displaced a good portion of it.

There is the upper deck as you mention, (It’s where I like sitting) and there aren’t quite as many awkward interactions there as there used to be.

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by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 5, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've been "that fan" before.

It was at a Missouri-Kansas football game at Arrowhead, and it was a day or two after I turned 21. I’m lucky I didn’t get thrown out, and I still feel bad about being a douche.

Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.

by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 5, 2011 2:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I went to a frat party...

at KU with my best friend wearing a MU hat…I was like, “DUDE, take the effing hate off!!!” like about 100 times before we got there and 100 times after we got malicious stares…but we brought girls and they realized he was laid-back and not there to cause a problem, just set-in-his-ways (didn’t want to take his hat off because his hair was bungled and generally believes he can talk his way out of anything)…I have always hated KU, but I have respect for opponent, and especially when I share so many Royals fans with the college and have had so many friends attend the college (and I met Raef LaFrenz once and he was cool as hell)

Anyhow…on the flip side of things…I saw a guy wearing a KU hat at a Chili Peppers/Foo Fighters concert at the Hearnes Center get the crap kicked out of him for no reason other than he was wearing a hat…guy was not doing anything to cause this, besides wear a hat…sad

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

talk about Freudian slip...

“hate” for “hat”

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

now that I think about it...

I kept trying to tell the guys that were like, “hey, whats up with your buddy???” that it was a Michigan hat and not a Missouri hat…but realized we were in the clear when they raised him up for a keg stand

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, some people make it their personal mission to fuck up others in the pit.

The KU hat just put a target on the guy’s back. Not smart on his part, but it still wasn’t his fault.

by AxDxMx on Apr 5, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude!

This was in the seats way up high in the back…I think the pit has more compassion than that

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are some big meatheads in there sometimes.

It’s not often, but every once in a while you get idiots in there beating on people for fun. I’ve seen fights break out over this before.

by AxDxMx on Apr 5, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wore a KU shirt to a Mizzou football game

Got some razzing for it, but people generally left me alone.

Helps that KU actually won for a change.

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

geez...

when was that, like 18 years ago?

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by PhattStairs on Apr 5, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing that annoys me is

The guy that likes to yell things and try to make everyone in his section laugh.. Typically he isnt as funny as he thinks he is and it distracts others from the game..

by chiefs and royals fan in omaha on Apr 5, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1000

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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 5, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do reserve the right

To yell the occasional “C’mon Chen”.

Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.

by KeepItCopacetic on Apr 6, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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