Looking Back on the Alberto Callaspo/Sean O`Sullivan Trade
Last July 22nd, the Royals traded Alberto Callaspo to the Angels. If you wanted to be snarky, you could say that the package they got back was two minor league starters, though technically Sean O`Sullivan is a Major Leaguer. Will Smith, the other payer received, certainly is. Ten months later, do we have a clearer picture of who won this trade? Did anybody?
The Angels Received:
- Alberto Callaspo: Specifically, they got 58 game of pre-arbitration Callaspo, along with the rights to sign him for the next three seasons at discounted arbitration rates. Callaspo did not hit well in his final season as a Royal (.275/.308/.410) and he was even worse as an Angel, hitting just .249/.291/.315. Even for less than 500K, there's not much value in that production, although UZR did have his as a decent defender that year. In a somewhat surprising move, the Angels decided to bring Callaspo back, perhaps in part because they've shared with the Royals an organizational blindspot to OBP for years now. Signed for $2 million, Callaspo has hit .295/.361/.386, rewarding their faith in him. If you look at the past few years, it seems clear that Callaspo can post a decent OBP or he can slug a little. He can't do both. (He can also do neither, as he did for the Angels in 2010.) Callaspo, at this point, has a) established his inconsistency (good and bad) and b) burned through just about all of his cheap years. He's not killing the Angels right now, so long as he maintains a usable OBP, but he's only a marginal asset. With this year's comeback and another scheduled raise, he's a roster gamble for 2012 or 2013.
The Royals Received:
- Sean O`Sullivan: While Callaspo's cheap days were coming to an end at the time of the trade, Sean O`Sullivan's were really just beginning. Assuming he even remains in the Major Leagues, O`Sullivan doesn't stand to hit arbitration until 2013. This isn't meant to be a cheap shot at O`Sullivan, who has easily done better than I in his chosen field, but there is a good chance he'll never see a large payday (by baseball standards) anyway. When the Royals acquired O`Sullivan, he was simply a guy there to fill innings, a former 3rd round draft pick who had a mediocre minor league profile and nothing much more hopeful shown in his 17 career Major League appearances. SOS gave the Royals a 69 ERA+ in his 70.2 innings in 2010, and looks on the same path in 2011, posting a 70 ERA+ in 45 innings thus far. His advanced stats don't look much better, and after living dangerously for parts of 2011, he's been blasted in recent starts. From this day forward, if he makes 25 more starts for the Royals it'll be a sign that things have gone very wrong for Dayton Moore's pitching prospects. He was selected to cheaply eat starts from mid-season 2010 to mid-season 2011, and he's done so. Modestly.
- Will Smith: 20 years young at the time of the trade, Will Smith is a former 7th round draft pick. Smith pitched well in 2009-09, but struggled in 2010 after being promoted to higher levels. Upon acquisition, the Royals sent Smith back down to High A ball, along with the much friendlier confines of Wilmington. The Georgian... but of course ... got his feet back on the ground as a Blue Rock. However, Smith has been unimpressive at NWA this season. Especially troubling is his now completely eroded strikeout rate (4.5 K/9). He's still young and he's still 6'5 and he's still Southern and he's still left-handed. That's about it.
So who won this trade? Callaspo costs four times as much as SOS, but he's also a better player. Fangraphs WAR has SOS as an exactly replacement level pitcher this season, which matches both the eye test, his career history, and the numbers. The Angels evidently believe that Callaspo fills a need at third base, as they've played him nearly every day since last July, though it isn't apparent just what all this activity is accomplishing. The Angels were 80-82 last season, and look to be headed to a similar record this year. The AL West might be bad enough that they can win it, but from 20,000 feet Callaspo looks no different than SOS, he just plays a different position. Smith, we must say, is merely just another arm at this point, the kind of human lottery ticket that gets tacked on to trade after trade. He might be said to tip the trade in the Royals' favor, at this point, but with each passing day that perceived advantage dwindles.
Of course, a year ago that was also SOS to an extent. He still had some potential to blossom, however unlikely. Would we feel so hopeful now? Looking back at the thread from the trade announcement, the responses seems oddly positive (although the Will Smith jokes are just as unfunny) now, the references to upside, a little too ambitious.
By simply being young, Smith is the last player standing with anything like an exciting future. If you are being generous, you could argue that for that reason alone, the Royals have still won this trade. On balance, I have to conclude, however, that this trade is like so much of our own lives, there are no glorious winners or terrible losers, only participants.
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The Royals lost this trade.
Instead of SOS eating innings, we would have had Phil Humber eating innings…
doh
Go Royals!
Pitt The Elder!
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by philofthenorth on May 24, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil Humber is no Jesse Chavez
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I have an irrational like for Ol' Alpaca Lobster
And I hope he does well for the Angels. However, he does get more expensive as time goes by, and SOS has performed above my expectations, so I think the Royals marginally won.
Will Smith? meh.
That information is somewhat classified.
"Looking back at the thread from the trade announcement, the responses seems oddly positive (although the Will Smith jokes are just as unfunny) now, the references to upside, a little too ambitious."
Not sure I agree. Of course both had some upside (Smith more than SOS). But you don’t always realize upside. It was a trade worth making. Callaspo had no role on this team and isn’t terribly valuable in the first place.
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granted, the sequence of events leading to the trade was amusing
first reports that the Royals turned down the deal
then SOS pitches a great game in New York and DM gets shamed by various media people
then the Royals reconsider and accept the deal
then SOS sucks like he usually does
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I don't remember that story line
Do you have a source somewhere for that? MLBTradeRumors perhaps?
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Agreed
Betemit and Aviles made Callaspo extraneous and the Royals traded him near the peak of his value I think. We traded something we didn’t need anymore for something an organization always needs. I think the Royals marginally won and it could get better (though not likely) over time.
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by sfeldkamp on May 24, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Basically right
Not clear how much more Callaspo could have got, so you get a guy to eat some innings for league minimum and a 10 percent shot at something decent with the Fresh Prince.
Better than going into arbitration with Callaspo and we’re much better off with Betemit filling the hole that Callaspo created.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there was any reason to believe SOS had upside potential beyond decent 5th SP
And I think Smith had some, but with a very low likelihood of ever reaching it.
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by Scott McKinney on May 24, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
We should have insisted
that the Angels also send us DJ Jazzy Jeff.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
He is useless
for we have THE BETEMIT
I am probably the only Royals fan in Hong Kong?
by Yamfun Cheng Kamfun on May 24, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
Why do guys like SOS get chances in the major when...
there are probably many guys in the minors, in the same organization, that are just as good but never get a chance. Examples from the Royals would be Heath Rollins, Blake Johnson, and Mario Santiago. All are older the SOS and have comparable or better stats then SOS when he was in the minors.
SOS is not overly big or have a super arm so what is it? Is it just because SOS was a 3rd round selection, which would mean Johnson should be up instead as he was 2nd rounder. For reference the Rollins was a 11th rounder and Santiago was a 16th rounder. So if anyone knows why he made it to the majors as a 22 year old and the others are still toiling in the minors as 25+ year old please inform me.
Also to just to let people know I have no problem with SOS being in the majors because he has done what KC wanted in holding down a starters job until the hyped prospects arrive. This is more of just a curiosity I have.
“Is it just because SOS was a 3rd round selection”
Yes. Higher you’re drafted, more chances to suck you get.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that is certainly true, and while it isn't 100% of the story, it is some part of it.
Depending on the GM/scout and their ability to re-adjust their pre-draft notions of a player’s ability/ceiling. But it’s human nature to let what you thought before you drafted a player affect how you view what happens after that.
by SagehenMacGyver47 on May 24, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
You can actually deal with this in statistics using Bayes’ Theorem.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice closing line Will
“On balance, I have to conclude, however, that this trade is like so much of our own lives, there are no glorious winners or terrible losers, only participants.”
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More Lives Of
Quiet desparation than anything.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 24, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
More Lives Of
Quiet desparation than anything.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 24, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Dr. Quinn now actually!
I’ve been pretty busy over the last year and a half. I defended in April, but so far that has not translated into much more free time.
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by James Quinn on May 25, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
When Betemit is traded
we’ll need to re-evaluate this trade. Betemit made Callaspo expendable; Moose will make Betemit expenable. When Moose is playing third for the Royals, we need to see what GMDM got in return for both players.
We got Callaspo for Billy Buckner
who is now out of baseball apparently.
by OnixConcepcion on May 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
Yep
And that trade caused tremendous angst over on Royal Corner.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We're gonna
lose the DeJesus trade too. Pitchers like SOS and Mazzaro are not even worth trading for.
by lcfeyh on May 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, low upside 5th SP types are a dime a dozen
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by Scott McKinney on May 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and high upside 1-4 SP
are millions of dollars for just one. That sucks when all you’ve got is dimes.
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Er
The Royals didn’t “lose” this trade. Not that they “won” anything much either, mind you.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Er
I don’t think I stated or implied that the Royals lost the trade.
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by Scott McKinney on May 24, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
"We're gonna lose the DeJesus trade too."
Not sure how else to interpret that.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Er
I didn’t post that.
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by Scott McKinney on May 24, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what
I completely misread that. I apologize.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no problem
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by Scott McKinney on May 24, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
SOS
SOS might also end up being a cheapish reliever for the Royals for a couple of years as well.
by BlueEyes_Austin on May 24, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
Pitchers like him should make no more than the minimum in the bullpen.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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He's likely barely worth league minimum
There’s also no reason to believe he’ll be any good. And very likely worse than several other pitchers in the system.
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by Scott McKinney on May 24, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Another sparkling example of writing Will
You have a gift for laying down sweet lines. A little sentimental? Perhaps. Shades of melancholy? Maybe. Anyone who can twin emotion and trenchant analysis in the process of analyzing a minor baseball transaction is a talented mofo.
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