Friday Open Thread: Memorial Weekend Edition
I'm on the road all day today, so today's open thread is an all-day thread. Royals Review sends a hearty salute to all our veterans and active personnel out there who put their neck on the line to defend us from harm. So when you're out grilling this weekend, or boating on the lake, or watching Sean O'Sullivan get lit up, take a moment to reflect upon those that have sacrificed to make our lives better.
In honor of those that defend us, here is my All-Time Royals Defense team.
C Jim Sundburg
Sundburg was only here a brief time, and was past his prime, but he still had a reputation as a terrific defender and earned a lot of credit for handling a young pitching staff. Many consider him one of the best defensive catchers of the modern era. The Royals have not employed very many catchers with a sterling defensive reputation, although Jason Kendall is putting me in a headlock for typing that.
1B Wally Joyner
Doug Mientkiewicz might have gotten the nod here but I'll give it to Joyner since he was here longer. Wally was a smooth defender who was never flashy, but made all plays look routine. The mid-90s infield of Joyner, Chico Lind, Greg Gagne, and Gary Gaetti was quite likely the best defensive infield the Royals ever fielded. Ross Gload and Dave McCarty warrant mention as well.
2B Frank White
Who did you expect, Jose Offerman? Frank was without a doubt the second greatest defensive second baseman of all-time, behind only Hall of Famer Bill Mazeroski. Frank was an eight-time Gold Glove winner, and probably should have won nine. The Royals have employed other solid defenders at second including Cookie Rojas, Chico Lind, and Mark Grudzielanek
3B Joe Randa
George Brett won a Gold Glove at the position, but it was more for his bat. Gary Gaetti and Paul Schaal were both able defenders as well, but it was Joe who was consistently a terrific third baseman in his days in Kansas City. A crowd favorite, Randa holds the franchise record for consecutive errorless games at third.
SS Greg Gagne
Alcides Escobar may one day make this list, but for now I'll have the steady Greg Gagne. Gagne was not nearly as flashy as Escobar, but he made all the routine plays. In 1993, he made just ten errors in 727 chances at shortstop. He was sure-handed and a great field general.
LF Willie Wilson
People tend to think of Willie as a centerfielder, but he did spend over 600 games in left-field for the Royals. He flanked Amos Otis, giving them a terrific defensive outfield, before finally replacing Otis in center. Johnny Damon spent some time in left, and Bo Jackson would make terrific defensive plays - and drop routine flyballs, but aside from that the team has generally not employed many great defensive left-fielders.
CF Amos Otis
Otis was a three-time Gold Glove winner and by all accounts won the awards by looking as smooth and effortless as a center-fielder could. Otis had terrific range and a strong arm, winning over Royals fans after his acquisition from the Mets. Carlos Beltran was also terrific defender, but A.O. was the best.
RF Jermaine Dye
Right-field is typically where teams hide bad defenders, and the Royals have been no exception over the years. Jermaine was a pretty lousy defender after his leg injury in Oakland, but earlier in his career he won a Gold Glove for his performance in Kansas City. He had an outstanding arm, and adequate range.
P Bret Saberhagen
I don't know to evaluate pitcher defense, but Saberhagen won a Gold Glove and was a former shortstop, so I suppose he was a good defender. Zack Greinke was pretty nimble off the mound as well.
Four Gold Glove Questions
1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury?
2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight?
3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics?
4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans?
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1. No brushes that close. I do remember in high school driving to a Royals game and traffic came to a pretty quick stop at the Grandview triangle and I wasn’t really paying attention. I swerved into the next lane at the last second and was pretty lucky there was no other car in the other lane or else that could have been really bad.
2. I love that play in Ichiro’s first or second year where he guns down Terrence Long at third and Terrence didn’t even think there would be a play. And of course, Bo throwing out Harold Reynolds at the Kingdome.
3. I think they tend to show defensive value over the long-term, but to be honest, I don’t know enough about the methodologies to make much of a judgement. I suppose it depends on which stats too.
4. Driving to St. Louis and back today to buy a car. No plans other than that. Will probably grill, take my wife and kids to the park a lot, and throw things at the TV screen when the Royals pop up with the bases loaded.
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I had a very similar traffic incident in high school. It was a thing where traffic was at a standstill on the inter-state just over the crest of an uphill, but you couldn’t see it until you were right there. So I go over the top of the hill and then all of the sudden it’s gridlock, I swerved into the next lane and there was somehow no one there. Had there been it could have been worse than if I had just rear-ended whoever was in front of me.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Very ironically
Within 15 minutes of purchasing my car, I was very nearly rammed into by a St. Louis driver. Stupid teenager in a minivan pulling out blindly. Luckily, I got to test out how the new car handles evasive maneuvers very well as I swerved into the oncoming traffic lane.
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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
After you buy that car...
…I know you’re a JD, Retro, and there are also several other lawyers on this board, so:
The Red Cross is setting up a resource center in Joplin this week and is looking for volunteer attorneys to answer basic legal questions for people in need. The resource center opens on Sunday at 1:00, will be functioning for about a week after that, and volunteers willing to work a 5-hour shift are being sought. Details are still taking shape, but Legal Aid of Western Missouri is attempting to coordinate volunteers from the Kansas City area. I should have contact information sometime today and, if anyone is interested, I’ll post a phone number here, once it becomes clear who you would need to call…
If anyone's interested in the above...
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Call: Latricia Scott Adams at (816) 474-1413, x234
1. Boundary Waters, putting up a bear bag, 2 days from any where, a tree falls with a pointed limb that just misses me. If that tree had hit my shoulder or head, I would have been fucked.
2. Bo getting Reynolds. I love when they show the play on MLB network. Reynolds never has anything to say. Jeter flip is up there to. I hate the Yanks, but hate Jeremy Giambi more.
3. I like the idea, but actually run my own to see any yearly trends. Sample sizes are too small to get good comparable run values for each position.
4. One day of cutting trees in my uncles pasture. One day of relaxing. Another day with my wife’s family visiting graves. Her family is huge into visiting the dead.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
given your answer to #1, I'm surprised at your answer to #4
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
I am not a good learner
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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
HATE the Jeter flip. If Giambi had just slid he would have been safe and I would have been spared a tiny percent of the Jeter-love.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a large tree fall about 50 feet in front of my car
I had just started to accelerate from a stop sign, so I was able to stop in time, but if that the intersection I had just crossed did not have a stop sign, I would have been squashed. It was in St. Paul, so I can only conclude that Minnesota trees must lust for human blood.
The Boundary Waters, besides the malevolent trees, are incredible.
Greatest Kids Book Ever
is now taking pre-orders from Amazon. Some one has gotten a hold of it and posted a copy of the master piece.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Holy crap, that's amazing
This will be in my head every night from now until my last kid graduates college, and I can only hope it doesn’t come out of my mouth. My wife and I are both in stitches.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Jeff,
As a father of three ages 11, 5, and 7 months…I appreciate this more than you could possibly know. Fucking genius.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
1. March 9, 2009 I had a bad car accident where I was broadsided by an f150 that was going 65 MPH. It was my fault. I pulled out in front of him and literally never saw him until I looked up and the grill was smashing into my side of the car. I walked away from the accident with a minor rotator cuff tear, and my daughter had some minor psychological trauma, but was ok after a few mri exams. Side airbags work…
2. None specifically come to mind, but Asdrubal Cabrera make a crazy play the other day to start a double play. It was ridiculous. Early Andruw Jones patrolling CF for the Braves was pretty awesome too. I’m more of a fan of the plays that we know are tough that look effortless, guys like Jim Edmonds piss me off.
3. I have an opinion on this that is most likely not popular with saber types. I tend to think that defense is very difficult to judge by using stats alone. Just my opinion, but I do think that scouts have a better sense of these things than number crunchers like that majority of us on this site. Offense is a completely different thing however.
4. Working Saturday. gott love the damn car biz… Sunday will be spent giving a singing performance in the afternoon in Branson, followed by working over a 12 pack and the brisket that will have been smoking at home all day. Monday will be composed of seeing if I can get Paul Baum the young right fielder for NWA promoted to Omaha, or KC in MLB the Show 2011.
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I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
1. I have had a couple. Pretty serious car wreck in high school, but the closest was when I was doing fieldwork in Svalbard (above the Arctic Circle). We had a polar bear come into camp at 2 am. Thankfully, our trip wire system worked and scared him away. We would have been like Little Debbie snack cakes for him, rolled up in our sleeping bags.
2. Willie Mays catch. Outstanding range and incredible throw with all of his momentum moving away from the play.
3. I wonder if it is truly quantifiable. Seems like n will be pretty small in all cases.
4. My daughter’s birthday is Sunday, so will be grilling steaks. Cursing at the Royals.
"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell
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1. When I was 12 I had Appendicitis that wasn’t noticed for a long time, and gave me septicemia. Still have faint skin blotches from that infection, which I’m told left me as close to dieing as you can get without actually doing so.
2. That Dewayne Wise wall catch in the ninth of Mark Buerhles’s perfecto. Great play, with everything on the line. Hate the Sox, but that was fun to watch live.
3. No more or less than “eye”. There is way too much subjectiveness and confirmation bias in eyeballing players. Stats have inherent weaknesses with sample sizes and other things. Combine the two and you have something approaching reliability I would think.
4. Taking my son to a Hockey tournament on Saturday. Other than that it looks to be fairly dull. Weather forecast is awful.
Edgar knows best.
holy cow...
I was told the same thing about my appendicitis when I was 13…lost something like 48 pounds in 5 days…was home-schooled for like 6 weeks after that
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
Ok.
1. I had serious food poisoning about 7 years ago and while I might not have died, I thought I would share this exchange:
Nurse: I’m going to need you to lie down.
Me: No…give me (incoherent)…
Nurse: Why won’t you lie down?
Me: My back hurts too much.
Wife: Why does he keep saying his back hurts?
Nurse: His kidneys are shutting down.
Me and Wife: WHAT!?!?
2. T-Long climbing the wall and the ball drops behind him.
3. Not much, but I am not well versed in how they are calculated.
4. Grading, grading, grading and missing my daughter.
1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury?
The summer after my senior year of high school/before freshman year of college, I fell asleep driving and drove my car through a steel-reinforced brick wall. Not a scratch on me…but it seems like I should have died then. Might be others I’m not thinking of…
2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight?
My favorite bad defensive highlight is probably the jose canseco getting hit in the head by a routine flyball to turn it into a home run play.
For good defense I’m not sure. I really like that Mark Buehrle no look backwards through the leg globe toss play. i think that was opening day of 2010. The willie mays catch is obviously a classic.
3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics?
I trust them more in the aggregate. Looking at any single one can’t tell you a whole lot. But looking at UZR, plus/minus, etc. as a whole, over a large sample of work, is pretty instructive.
4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans?
Working overtime tomorrow, family cabin for the day on Sunday. No real plans for Memorial Day proper, but taking Tuesday off to run some errands.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions
1. I’ve been hit by cars twice while riding my bicycle. And I’ve been mugged once, fortunately the mugger was happy enough with my money to not use his knife out of spite.
2. Probably Bo Jackson’s throw-out of Harold Reynolds at home. But a recent favorite, after being reminded of it through DVD, is the well-executed relay to nail Willie McGee trying to stretch a double into a triple in Game 1 of the 1985 World Series.
3. I won’t until I see a “plus hands” statistic. And a “plus hands” statistic.
4. Trip to the Bronx Zoo, backyard barbecue. Otherwise, nothing in particular.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
I punched my mugger in the face
and screamed a ton of f-bombs. That was NOT what my self-defense instructor had told me to do.
WTF, self?
whoa...
serious? we need a story on this with Royals related quotes thrown in
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a decent mugging story as well
I’m saving it for another OT thread
We need a mugging/robbery OT thread soon.
I have a great story from when I was the night manager at the Best Western in COMO back in my college days.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be very in to reading these stories...
and very thankful I don’t have one
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
A mugger was following you once
luckily it was in a Target parking lot…he chose another victim.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
by Warden11 on May 30, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
man that almost isn't funny...
my wife was working in that Nordstrom’s next to the Target where that girl was taken from…in basically one of the safest public shopping places in all of America
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I debated even hitting post
but went with it.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
I’m going on a few road trips this summer and I’m thinking of buying a GPS for my car. Anyone have any words of wisdom, re: garmin vs. tomtom? features I should look for?
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
Get a smart phone...
I think Tom Tom has unlimited map updates. Garmin costs out the ass to update the maps.
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Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazon deal of the day was a tomtom with unlimited free map updates at half price, so I bought that about ten minutes ago.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My mom has a Garmin and I don't like it...
And I’ve used a Tom Tom that was pretty good, until we got into downtown SF, it didn’t like that.
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Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
None of the GPS like tall buildings. They are always a block or two behind.
I about threw one out a window in Seattle.
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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I love my garmin gps watch, but that’s a different use entirely.
Basically bought it because I’ll be in an unfamiliar town for too long a period of time for it to be reasonable to print directions out for everywhere I might wish to go.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
don't cellphones have all the stuff in them now?
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
I got lost once and drove by a Garmin building...
thank you irony
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
Near Death: Circa 1997, left Scottsbluff at 8 or 9 at night after a full day of grueling meetings, headed to Norfolk for the weekend to see my lady (who is now my wife). Its an 8 or 9 hour drive…I pulled over in Ord Ne and took a snooze, woke up, got about 20 miles farther and nodded off at the wheel…drifted across the centerline, off the other side of the road, came to, over corrected, and did the fish tail thing back and forth for a couple of hundred feet. Tires barking, papers and shit lying in my car was flying all over, it was a miracle that I didn’t roll the car, and that I didn’t catch incoming traffic. You could see my heart pounding thru my shirt. No trouble staying awake the rest of the way.
Defense: Half a dozen Ozzie, Brooks Robinson, and Frank plays come to mind, not to mention classics like May’s catch, Bo’s nailing Reynolds, and how about Dewey Evans with a sweet grab in RF during Game 6 of the ‘75 series. Jeter’s flip for the phantom out against Giambi IS NOT on the list.
Def Stat: I don’t know.
Mem Day: Yard work, relaxing, bike ride with the fam, some light duty drinking, dicking around withe some new/Vintage stereo equipment…..perfection for an old man like me.
by Nighthawk at the Diner on May 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
had a buddy fall asleep at the wheel...
overcorrected on gravel road…hit a ditch…back on road with a beer from the cooler all the way in the back of an Explorer in his lap…he opened it up and took a drink…yes, I he is a moran
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
1. The closest brush with death I’ve had was I was out shooting skeet one weekend, and I was bent over doing something, and my buddy swung over the top of me to shoot, I don’t actually know how close it was, but I could feel the shotgun blast reverb through my skull.
2. I love the desperation play that somehow works, like the defender falling down and just throwing the ball with his glove out of desperation.
3. I used to put about 90% faith into them, but now im down to around 75% faith, but I can’t really tell you why
4. I might BBQ… All by myself… Oh and volunteer some time in Joplin.
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Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
I used to put about 90% faith into them, but now im down to around 75% faith, but I can’t really tell you why
You could just switch to the 20-80 scale. For two reasons:
1. That’s what we use to measure defense when we don’t like the new-fangled stats.
2. 75 is actually about 90% on the 20-80 scale, so you won’t have to explain your changing level of faith.
my complaint with Zone Rating...
From what I understand they divide the field into zones, and then the percentage of balls gotten to in those zones is how the Zone Rating is calculated right?
Well then how do you compensate for defensive shifts, or if a runner starts to steal and a defender moves into that area only for the ball to go where he was, and what about the speed of the ball into those zones.
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by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR at least adjusts for much of that
UZR adjusts for whether the batter is left-handed or right-handed (as fielders will adjust for that), infield shifts (plays where it appears the shift affected the outcome are not considered), baserunners and outs (e.g., runner on first with less than two outs when the middle infielders are expected to be at double play depth), the batter’s speed score (for infielders only), the batter’s power (for outfielders only), and the general speed of the batted ball.
There will always be a few weird plays here and there, but they should even out over time, keeping in mind you want three years worth of data for defensive metrics.
The 3 years thing makes sense for me in determining talent levels
but single season stats just lose me.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury?
I contracted chicken pox in my mid-twenties. It turns out, the older you are when you get it, the worse it is. I ran a triple-digit fever for a week, and was apparently delirious for a day or two. I don’t suppose my life was actually in danger, but I’m told the fever threatened serious cerebral injury for quite a while. I’m fine now, though. Honest.
2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight?
If a person just says “the catch,” what are they referring to? I think 90% of the time, you’re talking about Mays, right? That one makes my list for sure. I would also mention Masato Akamatsu’s “spiderman catch” for the Carp last year (or maybe the year before). I’m sure it’s still available on youtube if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics?
I trust them to say what they say. The hardest thing with most new stats is deciding exactly what it is that they are telling you. How much do I trust them? Probably about 4.275.
4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans?
I’ll be in Southern MO for a nephew’s birthday party, and may be dropping by Joplin for the volunteer project I mentioned in respose to Retro’s first comment.
- made me hahaha
"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug
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rather, number THREE made me hahahaha
"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug
Ah, good...
…because, otherwise, you are sort of a sick bastard.
by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on
Are we conflating all wars with defense? Politics is usually off limits, no?
People grill on memorial day because it’s nice outside. They don’t do so in honor of a government that uses theft to fund offensive wars in our name, thereby also killing, maiming, and ruining the very people we pretend to hold dear as our “defenders”. If we cared so much, we wouldn’t do all that to them.
/sorry for political rant. It just grates on me to see endless State glorification.
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
State glorification????
Ok, here’s where I have to rant. Independance Day is for State glorification. American soliders fight for freedom…and not necessarily our own. What theft is involved in funding the military?
thereby also killing, maiming, and ruining the very people we pretend to hold dear as our "defenders".
Any idea how ignorant that statement is? Those people would not be the “defenders”. Our men and women would. And if you don’t hold our armed forced dear you need to get the fuch out of the country they love enough to die for.
I too am sorry for your political rant. Maybe next time you won’t post something so fuching stupid that even your libtard commie friends in their jesus sneakers munching granola and spouting off about how great socialism is will have to say GODDAM YOU’RE MESSED UP!!!
Cut it out
This post is nuts. I’m pretty sure you misread Kyled85’s political position, but that’s the least of the problems.
RR is a great place, but politics and personal attacks can mess it up pretty quickly. Please don’t cause that to happen.
by KSinDC on May 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
this is a joke, right?
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This went waaaaaay OT...
WTF?
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and neither contributor has been heard from since…
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Because I have a job, family, and a life outside baseball
If my momma would let me live in the basement and worked nights making onion rings at Sonic I could post zillions of comments too. I apologize for putting in 12 hours at work yesterday, then playing ball with my kids, and taking them out for the day today. I should be more dedicated to all things Royals.
And Tomorrow I'll be placing flowers at my infant daughter's grave
just in case you want to question why I don’t post anything then.
American soldiers fight for a paycheck, and for the GI Bill
any thought otherwise is silly. If you are/were a soldier, and they suddenly stopped paying you and removed your benefits, would you still fight for your country?
the “go somewhere else” schtick is used ad nauseum. It’s a fallacy. Please come force me out of the country; I’m just peacefully living my life.
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
most of the peaceful ones normally get shot or thrown in jail dude...
ask any Beatles fan
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Coming from a military family I find your views insulting
My grandfather VOLUNTEERED for WWII. Three uncles fought in Vietnam, two became career military men. I’ve had cousins stationed in Berlin when the wall came down, in Iraq during Desert Storm, in Gitmo babysitting terrorists that threw bodily waste at him daily, and I’d guarantee every one of them would see your comments as a slap in their face. They do what they do because people like you have no stomach for what needs to be done. You have every right to say your stupid commentary just as I have a right to tell you to F.O.
Some do no doubt
I served 3 years on a Canadian warship, not for Queen and Country or pithy ideals of patriotism, but for a free education and a decent paycheck (with no chance to spend it, SAVINGS).
I would bet, asking most people in the military, and I suppose I can only speak for certain of Canada and to a lesser extent the UK, it is a career choice. Nothing more, nothing less.
In a time of total war, such as WW2 that may be different. In peacetime (and for all the war terror bullshit, that it what we are in, I don’t think so).
Edgar knows best.
by kcbottom9th on May 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope all of your family returned safe and sound.
and any that are still serving can get out. They need not be made to do “what must be done.”
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
Actually...
…I mean no disrespect to the armed services or anyone serving therein, and am honestly grateful for everything they do… but… When did Memorial Day turn into a military holiday?
It used to be a day to remember departed loved ones… like my grandparents (who didn’t serve in the military, but were loved nonetheless), or my father-in-law (who did serve, but that’s not particularly the reason my family remembers him). I get that many people have deceased relatives who served their country and did so honorably, and I get that many such persons gave the last full measure of devotion to their country. But we do actually have military holidays. Heck, Armed Forces Day was just a couple of weeks ago, and Armistice Day has become Veterans Day, and… actually there are half a dozen minor military-specific holidays on the calendar, and I don’t understand why, if you want to celebrate our military and those who serve in it, you don’t do it on those days.
It seems to me that Memorial Day used to be about something else, and that something else had value.
I don’t know if that counted as a rant… and I don’t think it was particularly political. But if you felt otherwise… sorry.
Memorial Day was military from the beginning
It was founded to honor the Civil War dead.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Well, shoot.
That makes me seem dumb, doesn’t it?
It seems to me that there was less focus on the military aspect of the holiday 20-30 years ago. I guess I just grew up in an environment that didn’t expose me to the military part of the holiday.
was there still Armistice Day?
"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug
Armistice Day was for World War I
Memorial Day (then called Decoration Day) is older.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
I’m not a huge fan of either iteration of the holiday…but I’m not really a huge fan of holidays as a concept, typically.
I was offended by this.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
man, good thing the Royals don't play on...
Native American Oppression Day Thanksgiving Day…we turned into Rangers fans there for a second
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
1. Nearly ran my car straight into a lightpole when trying to get out of the way of an ambulance and hitting an ice patch. Have since wondered if the ambulance would’ve stopped or continued to the scene of their call.
2. Probably Jim Edmonds’ diving catch in CF. Was shocking at the time.
3. As much as any other statistic. It’s to be used in concert with any other piece of information available.
4. I’ll be grilling in honor of the sun being up, and enough money being in my pocket to make it enjoyable. lol
Obviously, you are not a golfer.
its like a certain catcher on the roster...
it shall not be mentioned
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend – my office is absolutely dead, and has been pretty much since about noon.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions
this one was hard
1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury? This could be one of two I suppose…(and I guess we come close to death with fender benders on the highway and commuting on the highway, but I’ll skip over those since they’re boring)…1. idiotically drove directly into a tornado-producing supercell with some friends back in college, at night. It poured so much you couldn’t see anything whatsoever, including headlights passing you. Anyway, we came to find out that what we did A) is known in the field as “core-punching”, and is known to be a lethal practice, B) brought us within 500m of an F3 tornado on the ground, and 2. got bitten by a copperhead. turns out they’re not all that dangerous, but I was in ICU for 3 days. Now I see them all-the-time in the mid-late summer where I live. Somewhat terrifying. They hang out in the yard and right on the sidewalk—-I’ve come this close to stepping on one.
2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight? Hmm……I dunno. Anything that reflects positively on the Kansas City Royals baseball club.
3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics? About as far as I can understand them.
4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans? Meeting a bunch of friends and family for tailgating at The K!
"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug
Closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury
Instead of writing my memoirs, I’m just going to put my life stories on Royals Review. The closest I’ve been to death is probably when I got heat stroke at the Royals game, but it’s not much of a story unless you like hearing people complain about how awful heat stroke is (hint: very awful), so here’s a different one:
It’s about 2004. I’m living and working in KC. One night deep in the middle of winter, I and a bunch of friends go to a friend’s going-away party. Because we’re 25-year old guys who don’t think things through, we bring bottles of liquor as gifts, but things that work well for housewarmings don’t work as well when everything a person owns has already been packed into a few suitcases. So we end up drinking most of the liquor ourselves. In my case, I drink most of a bottle of Captain Morgan’s (essentially in response to a dare/bet) just before we leave the party in a cab.
The next thing I remember is the next morning, waking up on the floor of my bathroom to the sound of my roommate pounding on the door and calling my name. My head was pounding, my sweater was covered with evergreen needles, and my roommate seemed surprised I was alive. He asked me what happened to me; I told him I had no idea. We started trying to piece it together.
He took me out front and showed me the bushes in front of the house. There was a little clearing where the snow (there was about 10" on the ground) had been pushed aside. My coat was lying in the middle of it. Apparently, I’d slept there (part of) the night before; hence, the needles all over my sweater. My keys were still in the front door, and my wallet was in my pocket, but it was empty — cards, money, everything missing. I figured I must have tried to walk home and gotten mugged, but I couldn’t remember anything as hard as I tried.
About an hour later, a friend of ours knocked on the door, and when I opened it, he gave me a fistful of cash, credit cards, library cards and the rest — the missing contents of my wallet. I asked him where he found them. The answer was that, as we got out of the cab at the bar we went to after the party, I shouted “drinks are on me!” and pulled everything out of my wallet and threw them at the people standing in line before brushing past the bouncer on the way in. This friend, who’d been the one to bet me I wouldn’t drink all of the Captain Morgan, felt bad and went person to person gathering my stuff back up.
The mystery of how I got home was never entirely cleared up. Also at the bar that night was a so-called “reverse bachelorette party” consisting of several teachers from Parkville taking a newly-divorced friend out to reintroduce her to single life. Apparently, I hit it off with them, and I left with them about midnight. I have no idea what happened between then and the time I apparently decided to bed down in front of my house. That could
That was not the first time I put my life in danger on a dare (I swam across a pond/lake with a thin layer of ice on it in high school on a dare) or the first time I drank so much I didn’t remember (although I’ve never been a particularly heavy drinker), but it’s the last time I did either.
Happy Memorial Day. Hope you all enjoy it.
by KSinDC on May 27, 2011 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Tremendous.
Let's just trust the process.
by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This is great!
Weren’t you also the one who told the story about the beer drinking Dad in the rain delay when you were a kid? If I remember right everyone was racing through the rain to an unattended beer cart.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I think that might have been PhattStairs?
My other two contributions have been the chocolate bar and the guy stuck in the Taco Bell window
http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/5/8/2161171/ot-travel-monday-good-business-bad-business#66781727
http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/3/11/2044458/friday-ot-thread-the-worsts#61213787
Oh yes!
I loved the taco bell story! I’m gonna have to do an OT post soon with some brief memiors..
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The most deviant drinking story I have...
Is one night three buddies and i drank 2 liters of Jager in 30 minutes at “Friend 1’s place”. We were pounding Jagerbombs in 32 ounce cups then refilling until the jager was gone. We wound up finishing so fast that none of us were drunk yet and we drove to the bar, in “Friend 2’s” car… This is where the memory gets hazy, I remember getting to the bar and it was like the scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where they walk into the Casino, it just fucking HIT ME, I don’t know how long I was there, or what I did, but the next thing I remember was being woke up in the bathroom covered in vomit (hopefully my own) and getting tossed out of there by the owner. So I slowly \stumble to my “Friend 2’s” truck, and he is face down in the bed. I tell him I got tossed and they called a cab, he tells me he is going to wait it out. Not 2 minutes later my cab shows up with a police car in tow, I tell him, and he gets up and some how beats me into the cab. The whole way to my house (all of a 2 mile drive), the driver is freaking out begging us not to throw up in his cab van. We get to my place and my buddy somehow falls off my 1 foot tall concrete slab front porch and sleeps in the bush (mind you its like November).
The next day I had to be at work at like 8 in the morning, my head had never hurt that bad in my life, I take my friend to his truck and I go to work. Throughout the day I hear stories about the night, like how I was cutting a rug on the dance floor (I hate dancing mainly because I may be the worst dancer on the planet). I knocked “Friend 3” off a bar stool at some point. I smoked that night (I don’t smoke). But the kicker was I go back to “Friend 1’s” place (scene of the crime) that night and “Friend 3” says “Dude… What happened last night” I respond I have no idea, but he cuts me off and says… “You threw up a condom” Worst thing was, I was so hung over that instead of saying “Bullshit” I actually believed him for a minute. “Friend 1’s” then girlfriend now wife, thought that I had threw up a condom for about 6 years, and to this day that comment haunts me.
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Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's some Brett Favre shit right there, sir...
seriously great.
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I also have a pretty epic Brett Favre story...
that I can only send via email, because its not actually my story
Your 2010 Royals Review Fantasy Football Keeper League Champion
Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625
by averagegatsby on May 28, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That was my point.
You sent it to me awhile back…
I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.
by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 31, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We should just have a series on Royals Review
“The Life and Times of KSinDC”
Episode 1: The Chocolate Bar
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And this is why I read every single comment in these threads.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk
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2. Alex Gordon. He took a super high chopper about 10 feet behind third in foul territory and then nonchalantly launched it across the diamond off the back of his feet. I thought that this would be one of those where the throw gets there as the runner is about 10 feet passed first, but no…out. Still amazes me why he would ever leave 3B. This has got to be, by far, the most underrated play I have witnessed. Matter of fact, I am the only one that ever brings this play up. I would like to find it somewhere.
3. I don’t understand them, but I trust them to a point. I don’t think guys like Escobar and Rey Ordonez are given their due though. Those guys take away hits, and I don’t think there is a measure for that.
4. Chillin with the fam. Might go to an auction Monday. Auctions- underrated.
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
Ok, I have been to the emergency room probably 15 times...
but here is my funny #1:
We decided to go "camping", four friends and one wife. We had become good friends as college roommates and now that we were out of school it was time to reunite, so camping with this particular group entailed a trip to a bait shop that sold adult beverages. This particular hole-in-the-wall had enough alcohol that it could have just been called a liquor store that sold bait, but, hey, this was Braymer, Missouri.
After stockpiling a cooler full Hamm’s, antiquated bottles of yesteryear’s favorite flavored liquors (Hot Sex anyone?), and bait, we headed for the promise land. The promise land was a sanded creek bottom at the bottom of a desolate highway bridge. How could we of thought that anything would go wrong? We had cooler full of joy and were at the "crick". These were high times…until about 3 a.m.
That night, we turned the barren sand bar into our own personal dive bar, rehashing college stories from our freshly made sand bar Barcaloungers. Oh, what it is to be wild and free under a warm August night sky in Missouri! Fishing and guffawing, we ignored the notion that we were all out of college and that the "real" world was directly ahead. We would soon be watching the Royals games with our future wives and children, and not from a recovered parking lot couch that smelled of keg beer.
At some point during the night, the liquor decided it was time to shut our bodies down for some rugged tent-sleep. The couple had their own tent, and the rest of us nestled in the cozy confines of a three-man tent. If you have ever been camping, it is high knowledge that three-man tents are usually primed for just one man. So there I was, snuggled against two other drunken oafs, on a sand bar, in the promise land, and the first rain drops start to crash through the opening we had left at the peak of the tent. One friend, nicknamed C.R.A.B. (Crazy Redneck Alcoholic Ben), is famously passed out, I am talking Rip Van Winkle style, while my buddy Schulzy (Buddy Bell would be proud) and I search for the tent cover. We discover that C.R.A.B. is using it for a blanket, so we start to pound him with charley horses in attempt to raise him from his slumber. This takes 5 minutes, literally 5 whole minutes.
Once Schulzy and I cleared the crowded tent, we realized very quickly that this arrangement was not going to jive. Mother Nature was pounding the creek bottom with fresh rain. Lightning was starting to strike every few seconds, painting us a fairly clear picture: the creek would soon be a river, and if we didn’t leave soon, we would be part of that river. The next few minutes flash through my mind as if I could relive those moments over and over again. It is my own personal Stand By Me, or maybe The Sandlot. Lightning crashing, thunder rumbling, rain pelting, and we were just five small people trying to avoid the wrath of nature.
In hindsight, we shouldn’t have reeled in all of our fishing poles that we had turned into bank poles for the night. We shouldn’t have tried to take the cooler of joy with us. We should have attained safety first, at the top of the embankment where C.R.A.B.’s Explorer was parked. But we didn’t. We reeled in the poles one-by-one, like we were starring in an episode of Deadliest Catch, we loaded all of our tackle into the smaller tent, placed that tent in the larger tent, and carried it to the tree line. The couple grabbed the cooler, and C.R.A.B. handed me a flashlight and said, "Shane, lead us out of here."
I promptly took two steps, and then belly slid in mud for about 20 feet like I was a Woodstock attendee biding my time ‘til the Hendrix set (Rick Dempsey would be proud). Coughing up river water, I scrambled to my feet, and immediately fell and slid another several feet, deeper this time, into the mud. Mother Nature can be a pestiferous harlot sometimes.
Schulzy somehow managed to top the hill quickly, staying on the grass side of the drop off, furthest from the overpass. He flipped the lights to the Explorer on and was shouting, "Get to the side! Get in the grass!" I assumed this meant to the bridge side, and I was sorely, almost fatally wrong.
The rest of us would struggle for nearly 15 minutes to top a 30-foot embankment. The storm was pounding the unvegetated land so hard that the ground would give way into the earth 3-4 feet at a time, and we would slide back down to the bottom of the hill. The rest of the crew eventually found the grassier side and made it to the top, while my adventure continued to worsen. By this time, I had swallowed several cups of nature’s Yoohoo and was desperately grasping for my life. If I slid all the way to the absolute bottom, the river might take me. It was a real threat. I never understood how people could get stuck in their cars in flood waters, or how a relatively small storm could ever lead to the end of a human life, but those notions were washed away with that creek that night.
I really don’t recall what technique I used to get out of those trenches, maybe it was a miracle, I don’t know, but I eventually made it out. Standing around befuddled by the whole event, we stood in the rain rinsing the mud off, and then realized that we didn’t have the keys to the Explorer, and no one was going back down that deathtrap of a hill. Thankfully, this was not that long ago, and one of us had a cell phone in the vehicle that was functioning. We called daddy C.R.A.B. and he gave us a ride into town in the bed of an old pickup truck. I never thought that frostbite was possible in August, but if that ride would have been much longer, I think I would have found out.
I am sure that, to this day, the rest of that crew will tell a different story about that night, that there was no threat of death. I don’t know if it is their way of ribbing me about what happened, or if this is some Freudian way of suppressing the danger of the event. I do know that I can be found happily cowering in a basement whenever tornado sirens wail.
The next day we had a dart game to decide who would retread the embankment and retrieve our belongings. Guess who lost? Because of the seriousness of the night before, my buddy’s father agreed to go down the hill with me. When we arrived at the scene, we all had a big hearty laugh. It was nothing more than the same dried up embankment that we trotted down the previous night before the rain had come, and sadly, our tents and tackle had vanished.
Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.
by PhattStairs on May 28, 2011 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I've gotten this far and I'm hooked:
We decided to go “camping”, four friends and one wife.
Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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