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Friday Open Thread: Memorial Weekend Edition

I'm on the road all day today, so today's open thread is an all-day thread. Royals Review sends a hearty salute to all our veterans and active personnel out there who put their neck on the line to defend us from harm. So when you're out grilling this weekend, or boating on the lake, or watching Sean O'Sullivan get lit up, take a moment to reflect upon those that have sacrificed to make our lives better.

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In honor of those that defend us, here is my All-Time Royals Defense team.

C Jim Sundburg

Sundburg was only here a brief time, and was past his prime, but he still had a reputation as a terrific defender and earned a lot of credit for handling a young pitching staff. Many consider him one of the best defensive catchers of the modern era. The Royals have not employed very many catchers with a sterling defensive reputation, although Jason Kendall is putting me in a headlock for typing that.

1B Wally Joyner

Doug Mientkiewicz might have gotten the nod here but I'll give it to Joyner since he was here longer. Wally was a smooth defender who was never flashy, but made all plays look routine. The mid-90s infield of Joyner, Chico Lind, Greg Gagne, and Gary Gaetti was quite likely the best defensive infield the Royals ever fielded. Ross Gload and Dave McCarty warrant mention as well.

2B Frank White

Who did you expect, Jose Offerman? Frank was without a doubt the second greatest defensive second baseman of all-time, behind only Hall of Famer Bill Mazeroski. Frank was an eight-time Gold Glove winner, and probably should have won nine. The Royals have employed other solid defenders at second including Cookie Rojas, Chico Lind, and Mark Grudzielanek

3B Joe Randa

George Brett won a Gold Glove at the position, but it was more for his bat. Gary Gaetti and Paul Schaal were both able defenders as well, but it was Joe who was consistently a terrific third baseman in his days in Kansas City. A crowd favorite, Randa holds the franchise record for consecutive errorless games at third.

SS Greg Gagne

Alcides Escobar may one day make this list, but for now I'll have the steady Greg Gagne. Gagne was not nearly as flashy as Escobar, but he made all the routine plays. In 1993, he made just ten errors in 727 chances at shortstop. He was sure-handed and a great field general.

LF Willie Wilson

People tend to think of Willie as a centerfielder, but he did spend over 600 games in left-field for the Royals. He flanked Amos Otis, giving them a terrific defensive outfield, before finally replacing Otis in center. Johnny Damon spent some time in left, and Bo Jackson would make terrific defensive plays - and drop routine flyballs, but aside from that the team has generally not employed many great defensive left-fielders.

CF Amos Otis

Otis was a three-time Gold Glove winner and by all accounts won the awards by looking as smooth and effortless as a center-fielder could. Otis had terrific range and a strong arm, winning over Royals fans after his acquisition from the Mets. Carlos Beltran was also terrific defender, but A.O. was the best.

RF Jermaine Dye

Right-field is typically where teams hide bad defenders, and the Royals have been no exception over the years. Jermaine was a pretty lousy defender after his leg injury in Oakland, but earlier in his career he won a Gold Glove for his performance in Kansas City. He had an outstanding arm, and adequate range.

P Bret Saberhagen

I don't know to evaluate pitcher defense, but Saberhagen won a Gold Glove and was a former shortstop, so I suppose he was a good defender. Zack Greinke was pretty nimble off the mound as well.

Four Gold Glove Questions

1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury?

2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight?

3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics?

4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans?

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1. No brushes that close. I do remember in high school driving to a Royals game and traffic came to a pretty quick stop at the Grandview triangle and I wasn’t really paying attention. I swerved into the next lane at the last second and was pretty lucky there was no other car in the other lane or else that could have been really bad.

2. I love that play in Ichiro’s first or second year where he guns down Terrence Long at third and Terrence didn’t even think there would be a play. And of course, Bo throwing out Harold Reynolds at the Kingdome.

3. I think they tend to show defensive value over the long-term, but to be honest, I don’t know enough about the methodologies to make much of a judgement. I suppose it depends on which stats too.

4. Driving to St. Louis and back today to buy a car. No plans other than that. Will probably grill, take my wife and kids to the park a lot, and throw things at the TV screen when the Royals pop up with the bases loaded.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 27, 2011 10:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I had a very similar traffic incident in high school. It was a thing where traffic was at a standstill on the inter-state just over the crest of an uphill, but you couldn’t see it until you were right there. So I go over the top of the hill and then all of the sudden it’s gridlock, I swerved into the next lane and there was somehow no one there. Had there been it could have been worse than if I had just rear-ended whoever was in front of me.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very ironically

Within 15 minutes of purchasing my car, I was very nearly rammed into by a St. Louis driver. Stupid teenager in a minivan pulling out blindly. Luckily, I got to test out how the new car handles evasive maneuvers very well as I swerved into the oncoming traffic lane.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

After you buy that car...

…I know you’re a JD, Retro, and there are also several other lawyers on this board, so:

The Red Cross is setting up a resource center in Joplin this week and is looking for volunteer attorneys to answer basic legal questions for people in need. The resource center opens on Sunday at 1:00, will be functioning for about a week after that, and volunteers willing to work a 5-hour shift are being sought. Details are still taking shape, but Legal Aid of Western Missouri is attempting to coordinate volunteers from the Kansas City area. I should have contact information sometime today and, if anyone is interested, I’ll post a phone number here, once it becomes clear who you would need to call…

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone's interested in the above...

…volunteers are being coordinated through Legal Aid’s Volunteer Attorney Project.

Call: Latricia Scott Adams at (816) 474-1413, x234

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I will contact her.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Boundary Waters, putting up a bear bag, 2 days from any where, a tree falls with a pointed limb that just misses me. If that tree had hit my shoulder or head, I would have been fucked.

2. Bo getting Reynolds. I love when they show the play on MLB network. Reynolds never has anything to say. Jeter flip is up there to. I hate the Yanks, but hate Jeremy Giambi more.

3. I like the idea, but actually run my own to see any yearly trends. Sample sizes are too small to get good comparable run values for each position.

4. One day of cutting trees in my uncles pasture. One day of relaxing. Another day with my wife’s family visiting graves. Her family is huge into visiting the dead.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I am not a good learner

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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

HATE the Jeter flip. If Giambi had just slid he would have been safe and I would have been spared a tiny percent of the Jeter-love.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a large tree fall about 50 feet in front of my car

I had just started to accelerate from a stop sign, so I was able to stop in time, but if that the intersection I had just crossed did not have a stop sign, I would have been squashed. It was in St. Paul, so I can only conclude that Minnesota trees must lust for human blood.

The Boundary Waters, besides the malevolent trees, are incredible.

by Gopherballs on May 27, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

thankfully I am past that now

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on May 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap, that's amazing

This will be in my head every night from now until my last kid graduates college, and I can only hope it doesn’t come out of my mouth. My wife and I are both in stitches.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on May 27, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff,

As a father of three ages 11, 5, and 7 months…I appreciate this more than you could possibly know. Fucking genius.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw this

It is tremendous

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. March 9, 2009 I had a bad car accident where I was broadsided by an f150 that was going 65 MPH. It was my fault. I pulled out in front of him and literally never saw him until I looked up and the grill was smashing into my side of the car. I walked away from the accident with a minor rotator cuff tear, and my daughter had some minor psychological trauma, but was ok after a few mri exams. Side airbags work…

2. None specifically come to mind, but Asdrubal Cabrera make a crazy play the other day to start a double play. It was ridiculous. Early Andruw Jones patrolling CF for the Braves was pretty awesome too. I’m more of a fan of the plays that we know are tough that look effortless, guys like Jim Edmonds piss me off.

3. I have an opinion on this that is most likely not popular with saber types. I tend to think that defense is very difficult to judge by using stats alone. Just my opinion, but I do think that scouts have a better sense of these things than number crunchers like that majority of us on this site. Offense is a completely different thing however.

4. Working Saturday. gott love the damn car biz… Sunday will be spent giving a singing performance in the afternoon in Branson, followed by working over a 12 pack and the brisket that will have been smoking at home all day. Monday will be composed of seeing if I can get Paul Baum the young right fielder for NWA promoted to Omaha, or KC in MLB the Show 2011.

3

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

1. I have had a couple. Pretty serious car wreck in high school, but the closest was when I was doing fieldwork in Svalbard (above the Arctic Circle). We had a polar bear come into camp at 2 am. Thankfully, our trip wire system worked and scared him away. We would have been like Little Debbie snack cakes for him, rolled up in our sleeping bags.

2. Willie Mays catch. Outstanding range and incredible throw with all of his momentum moving away from the play.

3. I wonder if it is truly quantifiable. Seems like n will be pretty small in all cases.

4. My daughter’s birthday is Sunday, so will be grilling steaks. Cursing at the Royals.

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on May 27, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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1. When I was 12 I had Appendicitis that wasn’t noticed for a long time, and gave me septicemia. Still have faint skin blotches from that infection, which I’m told left me as close to dieing as you can get without actually doing so.

2. That Dewayne Wise wall catch in the ninth of Mark Buerhles’s perfecto. Great play, with everything on the line. Hate the Sox, but that was fun to watch live.

3. No more or less than “eye”. There is way too much subjectiveness and confirmation bias in eyeballing players. Stats have inherent weaknesses with sample sizes and other things. Combine the two and you have something approaching reliability I would think.

4. Taking my son to a Hockey tournament on Saturday. Other than that it looks to be fairly dull. Weather forecast is awful.

Edgar knows best.

by kcbottom9th on May 27, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

holy cow...

I was told the same thing about my appendicitis when I was 13…lost something like 48 pounds in 5 days…was home-schooled for like 6 weeks after that

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

1. I had serious food poisoning about 7 years ago and while I might not have died, I thought I would share this exchange:

Nurse: I’m going to need you to lie down.
Me: No…give me (incoherent)…
Nurse: Why won’t you lie down?
Me: My back hurts too much.
Wife: Why does he keep saying his back hurts?
Nurse: His kidneys are shutting down.
Me and Wife: WHAT!?!?

2. T-Long climbing the wall and the ball drops behind him.

3. Not much, but I am not well versed in how they are calculated.

4. Grading, grading, grading and missing my daughter.

by Dadunca on May 27, 2011 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

was that terrance long?

thought it was _ Robinson?

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 27, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so too

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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury?
The summer after my senior year of high school/before freshman year of college, I fell asleep driving and drove my car through a steel-reinforced brick wall. Not a scratch on me…but it seems like I should have died then. Might be others I’m not thinking of…

2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight?
My favorite bad defensive highlight is probably the jose canseco getting hit in the head by a routine flyball to turn it into a home run play.
For good defense I’m not sure. I really like that Mark Buehrle no look backwards through the leg globe toss play. i think that was opening day of 2010. The willie mays catch is obviously a classic.

3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics?
I trust them more in the aggregate. Looking at any single one can’t tell you a whole lot. But looking at UZR, plus/minus, etc. as a whole, over a large sample of work, is pretty instructive.

4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans?
Working overtime tomorrow, family cabin for the day on Sunday. No real plans for Memorial Day proper, but taking Tuesday off to run some errands.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe you really are dead and this is

heaven

"Things could always be worse." - Buddy Bell

by buddyball on May 27, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. I’ve been hit by cars twice while riding my bicycle. And I’ve been mugged once, fortunately the mugger was happy enough with my money to not use his knife out of spite.

2. Probably Bo Jackson’s throw-out of Harold Reynolds at home. But a recent favorite, after being reminded of it through DVD, is the well-executed relay to nail Willie McGee trying to stretch a double into a triple in Game 1 of the 1985 World Series.

3. I won’t until I see a “plus hands” statistic. And a “plus hands” statistic.

4. Trip to the Bronx Zoo, backyard barbecue. Otherwise, nothing in particular.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on May 27, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no clue how I would react if mugged...

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I punched my mugger in the face

and screamed a ton of f-bombs. That was NOT what my self-defense instructor had told me to do.

WTF, self?

by minda33 on May 27, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

whoa...

serious? we need a story on this with Royals related quotes thrown in

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

We need a mugging/robbery OT thread soon.

I have a great story from when I was the night manager at the Best Western in COMO back in my college days.

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be very in to reading these stories...

and very thankful I don’t have one

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

A mugger was following you once

luckily it was in a Target parking lot…he chose another victim.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on May 30, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

man that almost isn't funny...

my wife was working in that Nordstrom’s next to the Target where that girl was taken from…in basically one of the safest public shopping places in all of America

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 31, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I debated even hitting post

but went with it.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on May 31, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going on a few road trips this summer and I’m thinking of buying a GPS for my car. Anyone have any words of wisdom, re: garmin vs. tomtom? features I should look for?

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Get a smart phone...

I think Tom Tom has unlimited map updates. Garmin costs out the ass to update the maps.

Your 2010 Royals Review Fantasy Football Keeper League Champion
Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625

by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazon deal of the day was a tomtom with unlimited free map updates at half price, so I bought that about ten minutes ago.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mom has a Garmin and I don't like it...

And I’ve used a Tom Tom that was pretty good, until we got into downtown SF, it didn’t like that.

Your 2010 Royals Review Fantasy Football Keeper League Champion
Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625

by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of the GPS like tall buildings. They are always a block or two behind.

I about threw one out a window in Seattle.

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by Jeff Zimmerman on May 27, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love my garmin gps watch, but that’s a different use entirely.

Basically bought it because I’ll be in an unfamiliar town for too long a period of time for it to be reasonable to print directions out for everywhere I might wish to go.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't cellphones have all the stuff in them now?

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got lost once and drove by a Garmin building...

thank you irony

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Near Death: Circa 1997, left Scottsbluff at 8 or 9 at night after a full day of grueling meetings, headed to Norfolk for the weekend to see my lady (who is now my wife). Its an 8 or 9 hour drive…I pulled over in Ord Ne and took a snooze, woke up, got about 20 miles farther and nodded off at the wheel…drifted across the centerline, off the other side of the road, came to, over corrected, and did the fish tail thing back and forth for a couple of hundred feet. Tires barking, papers and shit lying in my car was flying all over, it was a miracle that I didn’t roll the car, and that I didn’t catch incoming traffic. You could see my heart pounding thru my shirt. No trouble staying awake the rest of the way.

Defense: Half a dozen Ozzie, Brooks Robinson, and Frank plays come to mind, not to mention classics like May’s catch, Bo’s nailing Reynolds, and how about Dewey Evans with a sweet grab in RF during Game 6 of the ‘75 series. Jeter’s flip for the phantom out against Giambi IS NOT on the list.

Def Stat: I don’t know.

Mem Day: Yard work, relaxing, bike ride with the fam, some light duty drinking, dicking around withe some new/Vintage stereo equipment…..perfection for an old man like me.

by Nighthawk at the Diner on May 27, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

had a buddy fall asleep at the wheel...

overcorrected on gravel road…hit a ditch…back on road with a beer from the cooler all the way in the back of an Explorer in his lap…he opened it up and took a drink…yes, I he is a moran

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

all's well that end's

with a beer falling into your lap.

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 28, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. The closest brush with death I’ve had was I was out shooting skeet one weekend, and I was bent over doing something, and my buddy swung over the top of me to shoot, I don’t actually know how close it was, but I could feel the shotgun blast reverb through my skull.

2. I love the desperation play that somehow works, like the defender falling down and just throwing the ball with his glove out of desperation.

3. I used to put about 90% faith into them, but now im down to around 75% faith, but I can’t really tell you why

4. I might BBQ… All by myself… Oh and volunteer some time in Joplin.

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Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625

by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I used to put about 90% faith into them, but now im down to around 75% faith, but I can’t really tell you why

You could just switch to the 20-80 scale. For two reasons:
1. That’s what we use to measure defense when we don’t like the new-fangled stats.
2. 75 is actually about 90% on the 20-80 scale, so you won’t have to explain your changing level of faith.

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

my complaint with Zone Rating...

From what I understand they divide the field into zones, and then the percentage of balls gotten to in those zones is how the Zone Rating is calculated right?

Well then how do you compensate for defensive shifts, or if a runner starts to steal and a defender moves into that area only for the ball to go where he was, and what about the speed of the ball into those zones.

Your 2010 Royals Review Fantasy Football Keeper League Champion
Since 2006: Royals win% = .4218, Chiefs win% = .3625

by averagegatsby on May 27, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

UZR at least adjusts for much of that

UZR adjusts for whether the batter is left-handed or right-handed (as fielders will adjust for that), infield shifts (plays where it appears the shift affected the outcome are not considered), baserunners and outs (e.g., runner on first with less than two outs when the middle infielders are expected to be at double play depth), the batter’s speed score (for infielders only), the batter’s power (for outfielders only), and the general speed of the batted ball.

There will always be a few weird plays here and there, but they should even out over time, keeping in mind you want three years worth of data for defensive metrics.

by Gopherballs on May 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 3 years thing makes sense for me in determining talent levels

but single season stats just lose me.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
Rock Chalk Talk

by Warden11 on May 30, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury?
I contracted chicken pox in my mid-twenties. It turns out, the older you are when you get it, the worse it is. I ran a triple-digit fever for a week, and was apparently delirious for a day or two. I don’t suppose my life was actually in danger, but I’m told the fever threatened serious cerebral injury for quite a while. I’m fine now, though. Honest.

2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight?
If a person just says “the catch,” what are they referring to? I think 90% of the time, you’re talking about Mays, right? That one makes my list for sure. I would also mention Masato Akamatsu’s “spiderman catch” for the Carp last year (or maybe the year before). I’m sure it’s still available on youtube if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics?
I trust them to say what they say. The hardest thing with most new stats is deciding exactly what it is that they are telling you. How much do I trust them? Probably about 4.275.

4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans?
I’ll be in Southern MO for a nephew’s birthday party, and may be dropping by Joplin for the volunteer project I mentioned in respose to Retro’s first comment.

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

  1. made me hahaha

"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug

by Crooow on May 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

er

rather, number THREE made me hahahaha

"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug

by Crooow on May 27, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, good...

…because, otherwise, you are sort of a sick bastard.

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Come on

Are we conflating all wars with defense? Politics is usually off limits, no?

People grill on memorial day because it’s nice outside. They don’t do so in honor of a government that uses theft to fund offensive wars in our name, thereby also killing, maiming, and ruining the very people we pretend to hold dear as our “defenders”. If we cared so much, we wouldn’t do all that to them.

/sorry for political rant. It just grates on me to see endless State glorification.

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 27, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

State glorification????

Ok, here’s where I have to rant. Independance Day is for State glorification. American soliders fight for freedom…and not necessarily our own. What theft is involved in funding the military?

thereby also killing, maiming, and ruining the very people we pretend to hold dear as our "defenders".


Any idea how ignorant that statement is? Those people would not be the “defenders”. Our men and women would. And if you don’t hold our armed forced dear you need to get the fuch out of the country they love enough to die for.

I too am sorry for your political rant. Maybe next time you won’t post something so fuching stupid that even your libtard commie friends in their jesus sneakers munching granola and spouting off about how great socialism is will have to say GODDAM YOU’RE MESSED UP!!!

by fishbowl72 on May 27, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a joke, right?

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

This went waaaaaay OT...

WTF?

I'm waiting for my wave of talent to arrive.

by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and neither contributor has been heard from since…

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm working

but am fairly regular here.

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 27, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because I have a job, family, and a life outside baseball

If my momma would let me live in the basement and worked nights making onion rings at Sonic I could post zillions of comments too. I apologize for putting in 12 hours at work yesterday, then playing ball with my kids, and taking them out for the day today. I should be more dedicated to all things Royals.

by fishbowl72 on May 28, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Tomorrow I'll be placing flowers at my infant daughter's grave

just in case you want to question why I don’t post anything then.

by fishbowl72 on May 28, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

American soldiers fight for a paycheck, and for the GI Bill

any thought otherwise is silly. If you are/were a soldier, and they suddenly stopped paying you and removed your benefits, would you still fight for your country?

the “go somewhere else” schtick is used ad nauseum. It’s a fallacy. Please come force me out of the country; I’m just peacefully living my life.

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 27, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

most of the peaceful ones normally get shot or thrown in jail dude...

ask any Beatles fan

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming from a military family I find your views insulting

My grandfather VOLUNTEERED for WWII. Three uncles fought in Vietnam, two became career military men. I’ve had cousins stationed in Berlin when the wall came down, in Iraq during Desert Storm, in Gitmo babysitting terrorists that threw bodily waste at him daily, and I’d guarantee every one of them would see your comments as a slap in their face. They do what they do because people like you have no stomach for what needs to be done. You have every right to say your stupid commentary just as I have a right to tell you to F.O.

by fishbowl72 on May 28, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some do no doubt

I served 3 years on a Canadian warship, not for Queen and Country or pithy ideals of patriotism, but for a free education and a decent paycheck (with no chance to spend it, SAVINGS).

I would bet, asking most people in the military, and I suppose I can only speak for certain of Canada and to a lesser extent the UK, it is a career choice. Nothing more, nothing less.

In a time of total war, such as WW2 that may be different. In peacetime (and for all the war terror bullshit, that it what we are in, I don’t think so).

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by kcbottom9th on May 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope all of your family returned safe and sound.

and any that are still serving can get out. They need not be made to do “what must be done.”

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 29, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

…I mean no disrespect to the armed services or anyone serving therein, and am honestly grateful for everything they do… but… When did Memorial Day turn into a military holiday?

It used to be a day to remember departed loved ones… like my grandparents (who didn’t serve in the military, but were loved nonetheless), or my father-in-law (who did serve, but that’s not particularly the reason my family remembers him). I get that many people have deceased relatives who served their country and did so honorably, and I get that many such persons gave the last full measure of devotion to their country. But we do actually have military holidays. Heck, Armed Forces Day was just a couple of weeks ago, and Armistice Day has become Veterans Day, and… actually there are half a dozen minor military-specific holidays on the calendar, and I don’t understand why, if you want to celebrate our military and those who serve in it, you don’t do it on those days.

It seems to me that Memorial Day used to be about something else, and that something else had value.

I don’t know if that counted as a rant… and I don’t think it was particularly political. But if you felt otherwise… sorry.

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Memorial Day was military from the beginning

It was founded to honor the Civil War dead.

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by cmkeller on May 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, shoot.

That makes me seem dumb, doesn’t it?

It seems to me that there was less focus on the military aspect of the holiday 20-30 years ago. I guess I just grew up in an environment that didn’t expose me to the military part of the holiday.

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

was there still Armistice Day?

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by Crooow on May 27, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Armistice Day was for World War I

Memorial Day (then called Decoration Day) is older.

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by cmkeller on May 27, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not a huge fan of either iteration of the holiday…but I’m not really a huge fan of holidays as a concept, typically.

I was offended by this.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

man, good thing the Royals don't play on...

Native American Oppression Day Thanksgiving Day…we turned into Rangers fans there for a second

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by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Nearly ran my car straight into a lightpole when trying to get out of the way of an ambulance and hitting an ice patch. Have since wondered if the ambulance would’ve stopped or continued to the scene of their call.

2. Probably Jim Edmonds’ diving catch in CF. Was shocking at the time.

3. As much as any other statistic. It’s to be used in concert with any other piece of information available.

4. I’ll be grilling in honor of the sun being up, and enough money being in my pocket to make it enjoyable. lol

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 27, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought about mentioning Edmonds’ catch.

by kcemigre on May 27, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

its like a certain catcher on the roster...

it shall not be mentioned

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by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend – my office is absolutely dead, and has been pretty much since about noon.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

this one was hard

1. What is your closest brush with death or at least serious bodily injury? This could be one of two I suppose…(and I guess we come close to death with fender benders on the highway and commuting on the highway, but I’ll skip over those since they’re boring)…1. idiotically drove directly into a tornado-producing supercell with some friends back in college, at night. It poured so much you couldn’t see anything whatsoever, including headlights passing you. Anyway, we came to find out that what we did A) is known in the field as “core-punching”, and is known to be a lethal practice, B) brought us within 500m of an F3 tornado on the ground, and 2. got bitten by a copperhead. turns out they’re not all that dangerous, but I was in ICU for 3 days. Now I see them all-the-time in the mid-late summer where I live. Somewhat terrifying. They hang out in the yard and right on the sidewalk—-I’ve come this close to stepping on one.

2. What is your favorite defensive baseball highlight? Hmm……I dunno. Anything that reflects positively on the Kansas City Royals baseball club.

3. How much do you trust modern defensive statistics? About as far as I can understand them.

4. What are your Memorial Weekend plans? Meeting a bunch of friends and family for tailgating at The K!

"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug

by Crooow on May 27, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

“That could” = “That could have been the best part of the story, but I’ll never know”

by KSinDC on May 27, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

a good story.

"WHEN CTHULU wANTS TO PUT THE BRAKES TO HIS CAR HE CHANTS 'MOLINA' TO MaKE IT SlOW dOWN." -- RoyalPug

by Crooow on May 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tremendous.

Let's just trust the process.

by trusttheprocess on May 27, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is great!

Weren’t you also the one who told the story about the beer drinking Dad in the rain delay when you were a kid? If I remember right everyone was racing through the rain to an unattended beer cart.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 27, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's some Brett Favre shit right there, sir...

seriously great.

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also have a pretty epic Brett Favre story...

that I can only send via email, because its not actually my story

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by averagegatsby on May 28, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

email's in my profile.

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by Warden11 on May 30, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my point.

You sent it to me awhile back…

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by mitchfreakingmaier! on May 31, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good one, too.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on May 30, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Hangover"esque

good stuff

Obviously, you are not a golfer.

by Kyled85 on May 27, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should just have a series on Royals Review

“The Life and Times of KSinDC”

Episode 1: The Chocolate Bar

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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...

2. Alex Gordon. He took a super high chopper about 10 feet behind third in foul territory and then nonchalantly launched it across the diamond off the back of his feet. I thought that this would be one of those where the throw gets there as the runner is about 10 feet passed first, but no…out. Still amazes me why he would ever leave 3B. This has got to be, by far, the most underrated play I have witnessed. Matter of fact, I am the only one that ever brings this play up. I would like to find it somewhere.

3. I don’t understand them, but I trust them to a point. I don’t think guys like Escobar and Rey Ordonez are given their due though. Those guys take away hits, and I don’t think there is a measure for that.

4. Chillin with the fam. Might go to an auction Monday. Auctions- underrated.

Don't be lonesome for your heroes. Be your own hero.

by PhattStairs on May 27, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

That began like a horror movie

Or a porno.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 29, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've gotten this far and I'm hooked:
We decided to go “camping”, four friends and one wife.

Glad I came, just wish I hadn't stayed so long.
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by Warden11 on May 30, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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