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Royal Starters Have Been Bad, As Predicted

Heading into this season, the starting rotation was the primary reason that so many predicted that the Royals would struggle. Nor was this a controversial topic and nary a dissenter was to be found. As the poet once said, "everyone felt the same."

Perhaps because there was such a consensus, the starting rotation really hasn't been a topic of conversation. Make no mistake however, they've been bad.

Royals starters are last in the AL in runs allowed (115), last in the AL in earned runs (106), last in the AL in home runs surrendered (29), last in the AL in SLG allowed (.461), last in the AL in K/9 (5.07) and 13th in K/BB (1.85). The staff ERA is 4.75, which is 13th in the AL.

Rk Pos ERA GS IP R HR BB SO ERA+ WHIP H/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB
1 SP Luke Hochevar 4.91 8 51.1 31 10 12 27 80 1.149 8.2 2.1 4.7 2.25
2 SP Jeff Francis* 5.09 8 46.0 29 6 9 23 77 1.500 11.7 1.8 4.5 2.56
3 SP Bruce Chen* 3.59 7 42.2 18 7 14 24 110 1.336 9.1 3.0 5.1 1.71
4 SP Kyle Davies 7.32 7 35.2 30 6 13 26 54 1.766 12.6 3.3 6.6 2.00
5 SP Sean O'Sullivan 3.41 4 29.0 12 1 14 14 116 1.310 7.4 4.3 4.3 1.00
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 5/9/2011.

Although these struggles have been partially obscured by the overall downturn in run scoring in the AL (the league starter ERA is 3.89) the starting rotation has, indeed, been the disaster that everyone saw coming. The scary thing is that the Royals have received relatively good work from Chen and SOS, along with those handful of starts in which Francis looked like the new Jimmy Key or some such.

By reputation the Royals are also fielding one of their more competent defenses of recent vintage, with all-glove players at SS and 2B and better than expected defense in the OF. It hasn't been enough. Especially scary are the home run numbers, which are already high. If Royal starters are allowing this many round-trippers when the whether has been mostly cold and wet, I don't want to see what happens during the middle of summer.

I'd be lying if I told you I knew what the future was for this bunch. I didn't see the Hosmer promotion coming. So while many are predicting that a number of prospects will be up soon, the specific timetable or the names involved is anyone's guess. For now, we know what we're dealing with.

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I understand...

…something of the logic behind the Hosmer promotion (i.e. performance). But I don’t understand why we haven’t used the same logic with one or two AAA starting pitchers. Perhaps the real proof that management is saving itself for a 2012-13 run is the slow movement up of starting pitchers—-ML’s currency of the realm. For instance, how many innings of successful AAA pitching is enough to warrant a move up? 100? 150? – TL

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on May 9, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

They could see pitcher and player development very differently

I can understand more caution on the pitching side.

Also, I think a big part of the reason they wanted Hosmer up was simply for his defense. Even if he hit like crap, at least he’d be a huge upgrade defesively from Kila.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

duffy will be up very soon i have a feeling....

and monty has done nothing to prove that he’s ready. He’s walking entirely too many guys…and when he’s not walking them his efficiency is still poor.

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by billybeingbilly on May 9, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yost seemed vehement about not getting rid of anybody in the rotation..

Though it’s very possible (likely?) that he’s just playing this one close to the chest, as well he probably should.

"That's fine wood from... somewhere."

by KeepItCopacetic on May 9, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right, for...

…the sake of our awesome playoff chances. But seriously, I’d like to see fewer well hit balls and more swing-and-misses from the opposition, and this will only come with better pitchers, not position players.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on May 9, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on their calling up Hosmer surprisingly early

they might well do the same with Duffy, though I’d rather he start at least ten times at AAA. Somebody’s got to take over from Davies, and O’Sullivan is giving out walks like they were poisoned Halloween candy. However, he is keeping the ball in the park. Hopefully Luke is going to stop giving up so many homers; he’s got a good WHIP.

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by Juancho on May 10, 2011 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

you really think that if someone hands SOS candy

hes gonna wonder, ‘hmm…i wonder if this is poisoned?’ i dont see it

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by billybeingbilly on May 10, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Second thought: ...

…Hasn’t Hochevar looked a bit better recently? Or is it a reversion to his Jekyll and Hyde performance?

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on May 9, 2011 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I've thought so too

Hochevar looked pretty good in his last few starts, up til about the 6th inning. I dunno if it’s a stamina issue, third time through the batting order, confidence… the wheels fall off for some reason.

by fishbowl72 on May 9, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he just gets in his head..

Like Hochevar figures the hitters have figured his pitches out by now. Just does a complete mental flip on himself.

by kcgiant06 on May 9, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or he doesn't adjust

To counter the adjustments hitters make?

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by RoyalsRetro on May 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like Most Pitchers

Luke neaving breaking pitches in the top half of the zone when he needs to live down in the zone and at the very top of the zone with fastballs only. He seems to start leaving breaking balls up in the zone at times, and it’s always trouble. NFI why.

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by philofthenorth on May 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Hate Typing

On this laptop keyboard. That is total gibberish.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 9, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the pitching chart on Upon Further Review

Here is the calculation:

Game Score (GMSC) (Created by Bill James) = Begin with 50 points, add one point for each out (three points for each completed inning), add two points for each completed inning after the fourth, add one point per strike out, subtract two points per hit, subtract four points per earned run, subtract two points per unearned run, subtract one point per walk.

Pitcher, first game to most recent game pitched, left to right:

Hochevar, 42, 35, 59, 73, 39, 29, 48, 68
Francis, 66, 53, 53, 50, 23, 18, 37, 48
Davies, 38, 27, 30, 57, 56, 13, 47
Chen, 32, 72, 68, 59, 24, 39, 66
O’Sullivan, -, -, -, 59, 57, 58, 59

I think this info gives good insight as to how our pitchers are trending this year.

If O’Sullivan could just get those walk #s down, he might be able to move up from a #5 starter.

by stlJeff on May 9, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I wish I knew how the organization valued SOS right now.

I was thinking about this while listening to a radio caller declare that Davies would be the odd man out in the event of a Duffy (or, as it were, Mazzaro) promotion, but I don’t know that I necessarily agree. Recently, Yost skipped him in the rotation so as to get everybody else in a set routine, so he’s probably still the #5 as not a whole lot has changed since then. On the other hand, SOS is far more likely to feature in the long run, but I still don’t envision him being in the rotation two months from now (barring injury to one of the other guys).

"That's fine wood from... somewhere."

by KeepItCopacetic on May 9, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

by these numbers, it would seem SOS has been the steadiest starter we have, even if not spectacular.

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by topekaroyal on May 9, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need some injuries

Moore and Yost have repeatedly said they are sticking with the current rotation. Yost even went so far as to say “who would I take out of the rotation?” when asked about a Duffy promotion.

I guess we are the victims of mediocrity here. To be removed, one of these guys will have to suck more than they currently do, hard as that is to believe. I hate to root for one of them to get hurt – but that might be what it takes. Compounding the issue – should they decide to move a starter to the bullpen rather than waiving one to make room, that would not really make sense because the current bullpen is performing well and is full of developmental players you really don’t want to send down unless you absolutely have to.

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by loyal2sdad on May 9, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

And the weirdest, most improbable thing

is that while all 5 starters have been bad (partial exception for Chen), not one has clearly pitched his way out of the rotation. Duffy has been good enough to earn a promotion, but who does he replace? They all suck about equally, walking a magic tightrope of suck that keeps them just above the pull of the minor leagues. How long can 5 pitchers stay on the same tightrope? Is strength in numbers playing to their advantage?

by kcdc1 on May 9, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Davies has clearly pitched his way out of any respectable rotation

He was terrible in four of his seven starts, and the remaining three starts were par at best. If past performance gave us any reason to be optimistic, then maybe he’d merit another chance or two. But he’s garbage, he’s always been garbage.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on May 9, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Davies might be the closest to having pitched his way out of the rotation

But even with Davies, there’s a decent argument to giving him a few more shots:

In his last 4 starts, Davies has 3 recorded a quality start 3 times and has 17 strikeouts against 5 walks.

by kcdc1 on May 9, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Davies gets one more start...

and it’s against the Yankees. If he gives up 5ER through 3IP Tuesday, which is realistic – Hello, Vin Mazarro? Maybe Duffy?

I can’t imagine davies getting another start if his ERA is over 7 after tuesday.

by Bart41 on May 9, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I bet they will give him until the end of the month to turn it around

he probably won’t, so then what happens? I’m guessing that Mazzaro or Duffy get a call-up. but does Davies go the bullpen? if so, who gets sent down? our bullpen is kind of crowded already.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on May 9, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not gonna lie

I hope it gets really ugly, really early for Kyle Tuesday. But even your standard sub par performance should be enough for them to pull the plug. Considering the logic they used bringing up Hosmer, it would only stand to reason that Duffy would be called up Wednesday barring the off chance Joe Girardi opts to go with whiffle-ball bats over the standard wood bats.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on May 9, 2011 12:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not gonna lie

I hope it gets really ugly, really early for Kyle Tuesday. But even your standard sub par performance should be enough for them to pull the plug. Considering the logic they used bringing up Hosmer, it would only stand to reason that Duffy would be called up Wednesday barring the off chance Joe Girardi opts to go with whiffle-ball bats over the standard wood bats.

by YouDon'tPhaseMeGobble on May 9, 2011 12:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know

I see this as the kind of game where Kyle shows his flash of brilliance that kept him at “ace prospect” status for so long with the Braves. I bet he does a nice job and then brass says, “see what he can do?”

Or, it goes horribly awry and he still doesn’t get dumped.

by SCKSChief on May 9, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Odd, a bit

Davies doesn’t have horrible numbers vs. the Yanks in his career, so I suppose there’s a chance…just not much of one.

You want optimism? My glass is half full of emptiness.

by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

He’s more likely to give up 3 bombs and 7 runs in the first two innings than have a good showing, but I think the good showing would piss of more people than the crap showing. That is the main reason I lean in that direction. All said and done, I’m still not sure getting shellacked by the Yanks is enough for him to pitch himself out of the rotation.

by SCKSChief on May 9, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call his numbers good.

5.85 ERA vs. Yankees in his career, w/Yankees representing Davies’ career worst numbers against any team (in the American League only): .325 (shitty) /.391 (shitty) / .590 (bang-bang). It is remarkable that he has a 3-0 record vs. Yankees.

by kansasjohn on May 9, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see that at all

I looked at 2008-2010 (the majority of Davies’ time with the Royals) and saw 3-0 with a 4.24 ERA. Not sure what he did in 2007 or prior (which was almost all with Atlanta and a bit with the Royals), but to make it a 5.85 ERA, he’d have to have had a really bad couple of outings.

In any case, I shouldn’t have said career, I should’ve said the last 3 years.

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by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try to be reasonable

I see no reason not to be. =P

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by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's exactly what it was

He had one horrific start against the Yanks in 2007 w/ the Braves a bit before he was traded to the Royals.

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by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article - no doubt

This is a great article. Our starting pitching is easily our biggest problem. We can’t ignore it though, we’ve got to make some changes. Davies clearly needs to go. Francis, even though proven in the bigs, should be on thin ice in my opinion. Hochevar will be fine, his problem has been the long ball and that is easily fixable. And SOS and Chen, as you say, have been outstanding. A present surprise there.

Why we keep Davies around when we have Duffy, Montgomery and Teaford all ready to go is beyond me. I’d take either of the three before Davies.

by JamesD8 on May 9, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Teaford has been pitching in long relief in Omaha

If they want to bring him up as a starter, I would think they may want him to start up there a few times first.

I need to go take a Davies and wipe my Elarton. Excuse me.

by royaldaddy on May 9, 2011 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can see late May-early June

Mazzaro and Duffy coming up. I think the odd man (men) out might Davies and SOS
Davies is scap metal you put on waivers
SOS is a trade bait with a package deal for:
  
  A: A new radar gun for the K
  B: A DD for Ryan Levebre (for when he brakes down and starts drinking again)
  C: A personal bodyguard for GMDM “just in case shit” scenario
  D: A new cotton candy machine for the kidos for the “Little K”

Thoughts?

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by Mas Cervezas on May 9, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Will I was thinking the cotton candy machine ..

 but then again I am not astute with all of the Baseball jargon and the in-depth analusis as others on here.. I am just a loyal fanactical Ryoals fan

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by Mas Cervezas on May 9, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably about right.

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by Warden11 on May 9, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cincinnati Reds

Need pitching, and have 2 catchers in their top 5 prospects. Could SOS and some other piece (say, Melville?) get Devin Mesoraco? Mesoraco is probably not mlb ready just yet, but it seems he’d be a huge upgrade over what’s current on the Royals and in their system…

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by ChrisCEIT on May 9, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't agree at all.

Cueto, maybe.
Volquez is terrible. He walks nearly a batter an inning and aside from 2008 has done little.
Bailey, maybe (those two maybes are largely because I know those two are young guys who probably aren’t going anywhere, regardless)
Arroyo, I’ll grant that guy.
Wood, Leake, no.
Chapman is still in their bullpen.

I don’t want to pretend that SOS is a great upgrade, but I think pitching in the NL would help his numbers, maybe. The trade was just a guess though. Really, I was trying to see a way to shift SOS (and open up that starting slot) and include a prospect or two that the Reds would want as well.

Nick Swisher is handsome.

by ChrisCEIT on May 9, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with your assessment

Regardless, the Reds certainly aren’t going to put SOS ahead of any of those guys.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 9, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I was dream-casting today I think.

This rotation for the Royals just needs an entire overhaul. Even Chen, who’s been fine this year and last isn’t all that good.

Nick Swisher is handsome.

by ChrisCEIT on May 9, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even though there isnt any room for it

I think SOS is better in the BP than as a starter.. his tank usually proves wroth 4-5 innings then its all downhill…

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by Mas Cervezas on May 9, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with this

since SOS began starting, he’s actually been pretty reliable.
Out of the pen, he was iffy at best

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"That's what speed do." Jarrod Dyson

by topekaroyal on May 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I can remember thinking yesterday, watching Tyson Ross:

Wow – that’s Oakland’s #6 starter (Braden is currently hurt). I’d bet if he were on the Royals, he might be the “ace”!

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by loyal2sdad on May 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

no maybe about that.

He’d easily be the best pitcher on the Royals.

Nick Swisher is handsome.

by ChrisCEIT on May 9, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see the A's and their overall era under 2.70

and it seems that every year they field a pitching rotation of virtual nobodies that put up very good numbers. It’s what they’re good at

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by topekaroyal on May 9, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

gio, cahill and brett anderson are hardly nobodies

they’re all very good pitchers who were top prospects…they’re just young and play in a smallish market on a team that hasnt been that good.

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by billybeingbilly on May 9, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, his isn't anymore, heh

It doesn’t speak well of Mazzaro that his overall numbers weren’t good with the A’s while pitching (presumably) half of his games in a pitcher’s park. But it’s not like Billy Beane is right all the time, or even close to all of the time. Maybe he’ll turn into something decent…just doesn’t look like it to this point in his career.

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by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say they are all nobodies

but it also helps to have legit plus defenders at every position in the infield and most of the outfield.

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by Matt Klaassen on May 9, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

SOS

has only given up one HR?

by LaFLamme on May 9, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Royals starters are last in the AL in [virtually everything]

yet had a fairly good home stand. A frustrating degree of inconsistency that would drive bettors nuts and makes consistent projection pretty much impossible. So you accept that about half their starts will suck and concentrate on offense and defense until a couple of the kids are ready while hoping that the offense and defense and bullpen don’t take the game off when the starters have a good effort, like yesterday.

by Jim Fetterolf on May 9, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

They played against offensive offenses

The A’s, Orioles, and Twins just can’t score, so to me, them pitching better in this homestand was very predicatable.

For the rest of the month, though, the only poor offense they play is another series vs. Baltimore. Other than that, it’s two competent offenses (Detroit and the LA Angels), and the rest are good-to-very-good offenses (Cleveland, New York, St. Louis, and Texas). So, it doesn’t look good from here.

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by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's too bad.

I was hoping they could just play home series against Baltimore and Seattle for the rest of the year.

"That's fine wood from... somewhere."

by KeepItCopacetic on May 9, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be nice?

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by DanielSmith on May 9, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of offensive offenses out there

if the Royals rank near the top in several categories. Biggest problem with the current rotation is replacement, Duffy about the only obvious improvement at the moment.

by Jim Fetterolf on May 9, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they got quality starts!

granted, Royals starters have had six of their sixteen quality starts in games where the game score was 55 or lower. Including 3 quality starts where the game score went down from the default of 50. So they had a quality start, despite losing points in the quality start category. Awesome.

Jeff Francis has had 5 quality starts, 4 of them with a game score of 48, 50, and two with a 53. Awesome quality, Jeff.

I can’t figure out a good scale for what should be considered an A start, B start, C start, D start, or F start. The scale i’m using on game scores is 70+ = A, 55-70 = B, 45-55 = C, 30-45 = D, Under 30 = F. The C seems narrow.

There’ve been 6 F starts so far. 1 by Hochevar, 2 by Francis, 2 by Davies, 1 by Chen. By the scale, Hochevar and Chen have Cs, while Francis and Davies have Ds.

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by BHWick on May 9, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

If you thought our numbers were bad now....

..wait until the Yankees are through with them!

Yankees might score 27 runs this series.

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by EspeciallyK on May 9, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been seeing several comments to the effect that McGomery is ready

And I’ve just gotta say at this point, I will be way happier watching any of these starters pitch over him. I don’t care if we don’t win another game all season, the absolute last thing we need to do is rush these pitching prospects up here. All that’s good for is a major league ‘deer in the headlights’ moment and turning them all into the next round of Hochevar. Mazzaro at some point, fine bring him up. If Duffy continues to improve, maybe bring him up later , but I don’t think he’s ready right now. I like winning, but getting in a hurry is a recipe for disaster.

by Prime2U on May 9, 2011 8:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wow I need to drink less

Montgomery might be who I was talking about.

by Prime2U on May 9, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just Gomer Works

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 9, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Private Pyle?

by Prime2U on May 9, 2011 10:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

As always.

It always comes down to walks for the Royals starters. It’s not like the Royals starters have been rocked, but they always seem to walk a couple in situations where the opposition is able to turn those walks into runs.

If the Royals can remain competitive into the summer, It would be really nice to find a pitcher who just throws strikes. Pound the zone.

by Peterman700 on May 10, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

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